How to lubricate Helios 44 2/58 early USSR lens

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Retro Foto House

Retro Foto House

8 жыл бұрын

Hello! In this tutorial i'm explaining how to open, clean up old grease and relubricate helicoid of popular and gorgeous helios 44 russian prime lens.
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@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 5 жыл бұрын
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@murdochmckibbin8303
@murdochmckibbin8303 Жыл бұрын
Hi, you’re videos are very helpful. I have a similar early model Helios 44 and the front aperture ring is broken on it, meaning that you can you cannot use the aperture lock system. I was wondering if you had any advice for this or whether you accept lenses for repair work. Thanks you.
@paulsnaith9677
@paulsnaith9677 5 жыл бұрын
Really excellent, very well done step by step tutorial. It has given me the confidence to try this myself on my own copy. Thank you so much and keep up the good work.
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 5 жыл бұрын
you're welcome!
@cliveholland4829
@cliveholland4829 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for posting this on KZfaq it’s help me no end and now my lens is focusing buttery, smooth.
@TK42138
@TK42138 Жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial.
@barrycohen311
@barrycohen311 4 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Orlando, Florida. Thank you for this useful video, my Russian friend!!!!
@andyz_w3584
@andyz_w3584 Жыл бұрын
really appreciate your instructions!!!
@globally123
@globally123 3 жыл бұрын
Thank You for another great cleaning tutorial. I now know how to service my lens, cheers.
@catherinecarrillo7439
@catherinecarrillo7439 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent, and simple explanation for lubricating my 44-2, thank you.
@stefanjr
@stefanjr 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great tutorial. I managed to lubricate my pristine (100% original) Helios-44. So now it's almost like new - in every sense. Like a time capsule! :)
@kastrel1
@kastrel1 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 44 but just can't open it because it is jammed. Any advice? Would love to make it work again as it is optically and cosmetically in excellent condition
@stefanjr
@stefanjr 3 жыл бұрын
@@kastrel1 Buy a cheap plastic filter wrench (49 mm), and wrap it with self-amalgamating tape. Then place it around the first barrel (with the filter thread) and twist against the clock.
@S3l3ct1ve
@S3l3ct1ve 4 жыл бұрын
~4 years ago I bought one of these Helios 44 with a stuck focusing ring,it was really hard to turn, it was grease problems just like in this video. Since I am not a professional and I got the lens for really cheap price, I though what the heck, why cant I just wash it of with WD-40? So did I... Just removed the glass part and sprayed the WD40 inside of the barrel through the gaps visible.. Turned it forth and back for like ~10 mins, cleaned everything as much as I could, after that I applied couple droplets of a sewing machine oil on the barrel just to make a little moisten... So far 4 years have passed, the lens is good as new... Focusing helicoid moves perfectly, havent noticed anything negative... WD40 just melts the old grease, it looks like it dissolves in it like mud in the water. I am definitely not sure if what i did was right and wont damage the lens mechanism, but I am pretty sure if it did I would have already noticed something bad about it..
@ohjajohh
@ohjajohh Жыл бұрын
How is it 4 years later? I'm considering doing the same as you
@austintschirhart6412
@austintschirhart6412 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! The wd-40 in the syringe is a great idea. Those screws really like to crumble up and become lodged inside with no way to get them out. terribly frustrating.
@weed772
@weed772 7 жыл бұрын
Good job. I really appreciated your teachings. Thank you
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 7 жыл бұрын
you're welcome!
@mrikrutter-dacosta1506
@mrikrutter-dacosta1506 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video and also the one on oily aperture blades.
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 7 жыл бұрын
you're welcome!
@man-ngokduskyso6654
@man-ngokduskyso6654 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing work... Cheers
@adrian6637
@adrian6637 3 жыл бұрын
This video helped me a lot - thank you! :)
@ung2002
@ung2002 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the very good video.
@davidvalens3337
@davidvalens3337 5 жыл бұрын
this is a great video!
@ohjajohh
@ohjajohh Жыл бұрын
I also have the same beautiful Silver lens with very stiff focus. I'm a bit afraid to lubricate it, but I think I have to, because the lens is almost unusable now, because it's so stiff
@SceneArtisan
@SceneArtisan 7 жыл бұрын
Hi again, RFH - I sent my 44M 58/2 lens off to a guy in the UK who sells lots of old lenses and also does repairs on these fabulous Helios lenses (and others too, of course, he doesn't specialise in specific lenses). I should have the lens back from him this week with oil/grease-free iris/aperture blades and a fully clicking aperture ring too. :) I WOULD like all the powder paint removed too, (to 'silver' it), but I figured that was purely a cosmetic thing and wasn't very important AND there'd be no guarantee he'd do a perfect job of it. :D Thanks for your Helios lens videos, nice one. Spasiba. :) By the way - your English is very good - DEFINITELY better than my Russian. :)
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 7 жыл бұрын
Happy you were able to manage this!
@SceneArtisan
@SceneArtisan 7 жыл бұрын
Indeed. :) Can't wait to get out there and use my 'new' Helios lens from 1974. :) You can see some of my Asahi Pentax Takumar 50mm f/1.4 shots, here: www.flickr.com/photos/kester-andrews/albums/72157670030252522 I'll update the galleries with new images taken with the Helios 44M 58/2 if you want to see, over the next few months.
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 7 жыл бұрын
nice shoots, indeed! Congrats!
@plexus1066
@plexus1066 8 жыл бұрын
Nice! Keep up the good work!
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 8 жыл бұрын
+Christopher Brown Thank you! Are you a subscriber? ;)
@plexus1066
@plexus1066 8 жыл бұрын
+Retro Foto House I have been for quite some time. It's great that you take the time to do this.
@bminney
@bminney 7 жыл бұрын
Very useful video especially helpful when taking the helicoid apart. I have a Tair-3 A 300mm f4 with similar problems. I cannot find a guide anywhere to dismantle it. I'm loathe to throw it away. Any ideas?
@clementyu6435
@clementyu6435 8 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Now I understand how to fix my lens! I will try it when I have spare time! There are too few video talk about Volna 9 in the internet. Maybe you can make some video to talk about how to fix/lubricate this lens :)
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 8 жыл бұрын
+Clement yu Will come soon!
@Herobox-ju4zd
@Herobox-ju4zd 8 жыл бұрын
Tried it, but unfortunately I just couldn't unscrew the last screw on the black ring. But I went ahead and cleaned and re-applied grease wherever I could and I'm very happy with the results.
@Mark-ks9jj
@Mark-ks9jj 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant and detailed thank you for those of us who own this amazing lens
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words!
@hughtuck5147
@hughtuck5147 4 жыл бұрын
Great movie, clear & helpful - thank you! BTW, the lubricant WD40 is prononunced 'double you' dee forty, not 'vee dee forty'. 'Vee' is a different letter! The product's full name is Water Dispersant (formula number) 40, abbreviated to WD40 :-)
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your input!
@anonharingenamn
@anonharingenamn 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this! I think this should also work for the Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 58 as this is a copy of it!
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe yes, but needs to be tried to confirm
@anonharingenamn
@anonharingenamn 7 жыл бұрын
Retro Foto House I have a Biotar 2/58. I will try it out, very carefully.
@mekhet83
@mekhet83 4 жыл бұрын
Don't think so. Biotar is way more complicated.
@peterpiotr3740
@peterpiotr3740 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!!!!! 👍👍👍👍
@larsulrich2863
@larsulrich2863 4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for this video, very helpfull. Can you please do the same with the Jupiters 135mm ? Thanks
@mathewlp
@mathewlp 5 жыл бұрын
Very usefull thanks!
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 5 жыл бұрын
happy you love it!
@ssj2mysterio33
@ssj2mysterio33 8 жыл бұрын
nice
@simonrizos8876
@simonrizos8876 4 жыл бұрын
Хорошо!!
@Tintara369
@Tintara369 7 ай бұрын
Hey, im planning to clean and reapply the grease so i was wondering what grease could i use as an alternative to buying it from the local shops? Greetings from Croatia Tnx🙏
@robertjpayne
@robertjpayne 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, great video. You are clearly very skilled and I appreciate the knowledge you are imparting to us. I would like to try this but I cant unscrew the optical block from the focusing block - its on very tight, Any advice?
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 4 жыл бұрын
you just need to apply enough of force, that's it.
@rosskral
@rosskral 7 жыл бұрын
I've got Helios from 1982...is it the same assemble...
@NickTempest
@NickTempest 5 жыл бұрын
I have an Helios 44M 6 but I can not open the front cover because there are not 2 holes as in all the ones I see on You Tube videos. How do I remove the front lens to clean it?
@adsertheblade
@adsertheblade 3 жыл бұрын
Oh boy, I have to do this soon when my equipment arrives...I'm a bit apprehensive.
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын
No worries, man. You will make it in exemplary fasion)
@thientrieu91291
@thientrieu91291 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome videos!!! Please do a jupiter 8 lubricate video
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 8 жыл бұрын
+Trieu Tran Thank you! Will come soon! Please subscribe!
@thientrieu91291
@thientrieu91291 8 жыл бұрын
+Retro Foto House already have 👍
@adsertheblade
@adsertheblade 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this very helpful video. The 44 I bought had an extremely stiff focus ring, and while taking apart, when I got to the multi-thread ring, I couldn't get it back on, so I lost the position before I could mark it. I have just about managed to get it back on in a random position, and it seems like it works. Is there something that will not work properly if it is not in the correct position? I suppose there are only 5 or 6 different options to go through if I got it wrong, but so far it seems like it's fine, but I haven't had the chance to try it out extensively yet. Thanks
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын
If you assemble it in incorrect way, you will not be focus properly. Either it will not focus closely or infinity will not be reachable.
@adsertheblade
@adsertheblade 3 жыл бұрын
@@RetroFotoHouse Looks like infinity is out...I suppose I'll just have to go through each position until it works.
@eagleeyeproductionsinc6778
@eagleeyeproductionsinc6778 8 жыл бұрын
great videos, can you tell us what's the link to your shop? thank you
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 8 жыл бұрын
+Eagle Eye Productions Hello ! stores.ebay.com/Vintage-photo-equipment-and-other
@matickos3791
@matickos3791 2 ай бұрын
Thx for making the videos man, helped a lot :) One question: before I found your channel I've read/saw on others people channels they use Liqui Moly LM 50 Litho HT grease for lubrication. So I bought that and use it, but I'm not sure about it. It does make things smooth, but not very smooth. So I'm not sure if the lenses I have have such tight tolerances on their own or is the grease wrong. Do you know this grease, would you recommend it? TIA!
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 2 ай бұрын
Hi! no, i never used it, so i can't say
@martinrutter9506
@martinrutter9506 4 жыл бұрын
Hello. I regreased a Helios following this video and it worked perfectly. I’m now going to work on a Flektogon 20/4 and wondered if the disassembly is similar?
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 4 жыл бұрын
no, absolutely different
@akpevbe
@akpevbe 3 жыл бұрын
What is the lubricant or grease you use?
@ivanzivojinovic1606
@ivanzivojinovic1606 Жыл бұрын
How is it in terms of separating and leaking onto aperture blades and stuff and is it very light or it gives some resistance ?How does it compare to JHT #10 in your opinion?
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse Жыл бұрын
I can't say, as i never used JHT#10 grease
@user-jj7um6ch9p
@user-jj7um6ch9p 7 ай бұрын
how much it coast if send you the lense to clean it ?
@chnguye2
@chnguye2 7 жыл бұрын
hi, can you please let me know where I can buy the same screwdriver set you have? I cannot seem to find a small enough screwdrivers
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 7 жыл бұрын
search over ebay or aliexpress
@user-ju9hg9er8w
@user-ju9hg9er8w 8 ай бұрын
🍀🍀
@jean-marcschwartz2525
@jean-marcschwartz2525 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot, but what kind of grease are you using to?
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын
I was using a USSR made Ciatim-201 grease, but now it is not available anymore, so i switched to ordinary Lithium based grease and it performs pretty well
@cebxta8042
@cebxta8042 10 ай бұрын
What Grade Grease did you use ? Grade 10 or grade 40?
@crazygeorgelincoln
@crazygeorgelincoln 3 жыл бұрын
Hello. I'm looking to clean and lubricate some Helios 44's with start beyonet mount . A couple the aperture button twist push mechanism is not fully working. . I hope to find some guidance somewhere before preceding blindly.
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын
i do not have such tutorial, sorry
@crazygeorgelincoln
@crazygeorgelincoln 3 жыл бұрын
@@RetroFotoHouse I made video if anyone interested, they are not too difficult. I was expecting more trouble from it.
@RGeorge2011
@RGeorge2011 6 жыл бұрын
hi, how to clean and shine the tarnished yellowish aluminum ring?
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 6 жыл бұрын
you need to polish it, no other way
@Albanez39
@Albanez39 4 жыл бұрын
Hello mate, you have used gun oil to lubricate a Helios 44M-6 in another video. I don't want to fully disassemble it and use grease...which type of gun oil can I use? There's Silicon oil and Water-based oil on Ebay...
@S3l3ct1ve
@S3l3ct1ve 4 жыл бұрын
you can try sewing machine oil it is quite liquid oil so do not apply too much of it on the barrel it could leak. Just couple of drops should be ok.
@davidvalens3337
@davidvalens3337 5 жыл бұрын
what size is the syringe?
@Sikhislove
@Sikhislove 6 жыл бұрын
Where can i find these tools on amazon
@adsertheblade
@adsertheblade 3 жыл бұрын
Watch make screwdriver set is what you need
@BallenvanStaal
@BallenvanStaal 3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for the video! I followed your instructions and ended up with a butterly smooth Helios-44, which is nice! I do think I have made a mistake though: the focus ring will not go to 0,5m. Instead, it stops just before 0,55. The lens also has lost its sharpness. 😕 Hope you can tell me what I did wrong.
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын
well it is difficult to say, but for sure you made a mistake somewhere in the processus
@BallenvanStaal
@BallenvanStaal 3 жыл бұрын
@@RetroFotoHouse Yes, that is for sure. When I have the time I will take it apart again to check it out.
@sthlm360
@sthlm360 2 жыл бұрын
@@BallenvanStaal I've got the issue with mine. I missed mark the multithreaded rings and I suppose that I have not put back the ring in the correct postion. I have tried to disassemble and re-assemble it several times but I get the same issue every time....
@BallenvanStaal
@BallenvanStaal 2 жыл бұрын
@@sthlm360 Thanks for replying. I think I might have done the same. I haven't taken the time yet to disassemble it again myself. When I have, I'll let you know the result.
@sthlm360
@sthlm360 2 жыл бұрын
@@BallenvanStaal Good news. After my "58th" try I succeeded to find the right thread. The focusing ring goes the whole way from infinity to even beyond M, which is beyond 0.5, exactly as shown in this video. Unfortunately in the process of many disassemblies/assemblies I damaged 2 of the 3 inner micro screws heads and one of the external ones BUT I managed to screw them back in anyways. Lens work as good as new.
@hansbraumann3648
@hansbraumann3648 2 жыл бұрын
My optical block is stuck on the focusing part, cannot unscrew no matter how hard I try. Do you have any advice? I want to use WD-40 but I am nervous to since this is bad for the glass
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes, barely though, it is screwed in so tight that it is imposiible to unscrew it without special tools. Maybe this is your case.
@classicmarshall
@classicmarshall 2 жыл бұрын
@@RetroFotoHouse Can you recommend what tools to use to unscrew? I am thinking of using heat to loosen it up.
@hahaahah7214
@hahaahah7214 Жыл бұрын
My MMZ made helios 44 is not screwing out like you did, any help?
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse Жыл бұрын
you need to apply force in this case. Sometimes it is screwed in very tightly
@Sikhislove
@Sikhislove 6 жыл бұрын
where csa i get screws for my lenses the 135 f4 helios
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 6 жыл бұрын
on eBay
@jacekmak87
@jacekmak87 5 жыл бұрын
I just bought Zenit 3m with helios 44 but the diaphrame ring turns like junk and diaphrame has strong exploatation marks - to the point that bare metal is exposed and I think it may cause reflections inside the lense. Can i replace both ring and diaphrame with any other of 44 family?
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 5 жыл бұрын
It will not make reflections inside for sure. You need to find another one from same model, to be sure it will fit 100%
@jacekmak87
@jacekmak87 5 жыл бұрын
@@RetroFotoHouse Ok, thank you.
@jacekmak87
@jacekmak87 5 жыл бұрын
@@RetroFotoHouse Btw, is there a way to unstuck the optical block. I just cant unscrew it and dont want to force it to much. it shouldn't take lots of force to brake it free. Should I try to heat the lense or put few drops of WD-40 and let it soak for a day or so?
@Studio23creation
@Studio23creation 2 жыл бұрын
i'm stuk at first step ! cannot unscrew the front, it is very well stuck...
@pauls6043
@pauls6043 2 жыл бұрын
What size screwdriver do you use? 0,8mm?
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 2 жыл бұрын
yes, exact
@stanisawbomba3062
@stanisawbomba3062 7 жыл бұрын
Co masz na smar stosuje?
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 7 жыл бұрын
Ciatim-201
@user-hr3lj2zw9p
@user-hr3lj2zw9p 4 жыл бұрын
Где можно приобрести такую отвертку от откручивания самых маленьких болтиков?
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 4 жыл бұрын
Лично я пользуюсь старым советским набором-качество стали хорошее. А так- на aliexpress можно без труда найти
@user-hr3lj2zw9p
@user-hr3lj2zw9p 4 жыл бұрын
@@RetroFotoHouse , старый советский набор будет найти проблематично, хотя качество стали, наверняка там очень хорошее. А на алиэкспресс я искал и даже находил кое-что похожее, но не уверен, что размер отвертки шлицевой подойдет для открутки самых маленьких болтиков на Гелиос 44 КМЗ серебряного цвета с 13 лепестками. Нашел в местном магазине дешевый китайский набор, там шлицевая отвертка 0,9 мм есть, но наверное нужно меньше, т.к. при попытки отвернуть мелкий стопорный винт на линзоблоке он не пошел.
@hakanlevent8272
@hakanlevent8272 4 жыл бұрын
Please oil link
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 4 жыл бұрын
please google ciatim-201
@ohjajohh
@ohjajohh Жыл бұрын
Aan alle Nederlanders die dit proberen: gebruik geen Kroon-oil lagervet zoals ik, want dat spul lijkt net lijm...
@vojtechsmola7144
@vojtechsmola7144 4 жыл бұрын
i did the same but something is wrong, i can focus 4 meters maximally, i lost the mark of the last ring but I could find the position where it was possible to screw the ring in, several times but with the same result. Can you help me, where is the problem, is possible to fix it?
@philhodgkinson1460
@philhodgkinson1460 2 жыл бұрын
Do you mean 13 blades...
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 2 жыл бұрын
Both 13 and 8 blades versions. Focusing part there is the same
@LineaDeus
@LineaDeus 5 жыл бұрын
WD40 is not a lubricant. It is a water displacer.
@RetroFotoHouse
@RetroFotoHouse 5 жыл бұрын
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