If you're folding this on a blank river, assuming you'd ship jack high flush on turn, seems super exploitable, as you're folding 100% of your range that gets here. I'd snap call river, or just ship turn. Also, with that many hearts out there, I think the likelihood of bare jack of hearts making a play goes up compared to usual plo nut blocker situation.

I'm calling here 6 days a week and twice on Sunday. There is on one hand that beats you, and with so many hearts out that hand is less likely. The other player could have a lower flush, a complete bluff, or maybe just an Ace and thinks he is betting to get you off a chop. I can't imagine that I'd think more than a few seconds before calling.

Good analysis by Bort here.

nice, after 17 minutes I have now mastered the game!

I think this is a call regardless, but timing is super important here. The longer LJ tanks, the more likely it is they have a weaker flush rather than FH draws on both boards that also call the turn. If LJ tank folds (meaning they have a weak flush), it becomes MUCH less likely that BB has JhXh.

With $700 left, I think you have to call. However, I had this EXACT scenario a few weeks ago where I made the 2nd nut flush on both boards, and lo and behold the other guy did have the nut flush on both after the flop checked around. When everyone gets to see the flop in PLO bomb pots, the likelihood of these flush over flush scenarios is actually WAY higher, even with all the extra hearts on board, it still happens fairly often.

More of this please. I am especially interested in hands where the board has one hand with a pair and how that influences play.

I'm gonna start calling you Bert then when you correct me, I'll call you Bert a dozen more times 😂

hey bart had to comment. purpose of large sizing with 3rd nut is two fold, (whether or not assuming jhi is dead) you are committing, essentially not allowing a nut blocker play to be made on you and you have an opportunity to bluff out the 2nd nut. but i agree, i think he was just going for value.

Adding to this: one of the two players on the turn is absolutely behind you. Possibly both, but certainly one of them. You have to get that player to donate more on the turn to make your continued play more profitable. (Again folding is FINE if you want to). You still might be drawing dead, but for the times you're legit ahead, you make way more $ by raising the turn, making up for the times you're already screwed. Calling turn IMO is the absolute worst here. If you are gonna play the hand post turn, you have to play it in the most profitable way, which means making draws pay.

It's ok to get stacked with the second nut sometimes. Sometimes in a poker game you have to play poker...

Tough break there. I think i call here too, especially when the Ah comes out on the turn. With 8 hearts accounted for and getting almost 3-1 like Bart explained i just have to roll with it.

This game looks crazy. I'm sticking with regular hold'em. 😂

Just an easy call, if the opponent is good they do this all day holding just the Jh. If you fold here you are so exploitable, might as well move down in stakes if you can’t find this call…

Wonder if a deck change came in? BignO game has this happen where we get lotsnof one suit represented when dealer is lazy on shuffle

On a single board, I'd be hesitant but same flush double board, I'd definitely have to call this.

Long time ago, playing limit Omaha high, I was in a blind with 4 diamonds. The board flopped me the 2nd nut flush. I called a bet. Turn and river were ALSO diamond. I called 2 more bets and got shown the nuts.

I has to be pointed out that SB potted into the whole table on the turn. - Makes it quite unlikely that he ever has a bluff with the Jh. Means: It is for the most part between what may be considered an overplay from Villain on two streets ( The 8-high Flush was likely a C/F turn) , and the Nuts.

For me: You can't call the turn without planning to call any non-paired river. The pot odds will be way too high to ever justify a fold. So, my turn call is opponent-dependent. If I am up against OMC in SB, it's a fold. Nits just never bet turn here without the J flush. The caller in between almost never has the J flush, they're usually raising, so that's dead money to me, but almost certainly has a set on one of the 2 boards, so I want to make them pay. Since I am 100% never gonna fold the river, I rip turn, and make my OPPONENTS pay to chase. If I am behind SB already, it is what it is, too short here to fold second nut flush on 2 boards without a solid nit read. But now I have increased my value for when I AM ahead, and made drawing hands (sets, 2p) pay the max. Flat turn/fold river is, I think, the worst possible line. It's just a donation. Also - what do you do if one river pairs? If two rivers pair? Absolutely no way to know where you stand on the river - you have the most possible information about your relative hand strength on the turn. The river will only obfuscate things. One last thought: there's absolutely no problem with folding the turn here. Zero variance play in these games is fine; saving ammo for spots where you know you're ahead is an absolutely sound strategy. It happens often enough, and you'll almost always get action when it does. My strategy in these games: never pay to draw to the non-nuts, never draw at ALL unless a scoop is possible, NEVER draw to naked straights, and the nut straight vs. a river bet is barely more than a bluff catcher, unless you have nut nut straights. When you're sure you're mathematically ahead, pot it, unless you have the unbeatable stones (quads, straight flush), in which case, build a multiway pot the best way you can.

Just watching this and commenting as I watch. When the flop checks around to the hero, hero needs to bet on the flop. But before we get into that - why is it a $50 bomb pot - 1k effective in a $50 bomb pot double board is NOT Enough of a stack. Shouldn’t of even put the $50 to start (except that hero is on the button)….. But when it checks on flop bet the flop. Hero needed to bet 25-100 on flop On the turn when you have the 2nd nuts on both boards - and it’s a full pot size bet on the turn you need to either fold it out (ok play - because the sb betting into the field demonstrates a hand that can scoop you easily)…. Or you ship it. Calling in this position is the worst because you still don’t know what to do on the river if one board pairs - either ship on turn or fold. But the biggest mistake overlooked was not betting the flop IN POSITION.

14:25 man he really ..... botched that one up!

Background chosen to match Bart's fleece? 🤣

I'd instacall this river. Opponent could be bluffing with a naked jack which is likely given that theres 8 hearts on the boards and in the hero's hand. Also opponent could easily overvalue a lower flush because they think it's not likely anyone else has the flush with all the hearts out there.

What's up, Bart?? Hope all is well.

Calling all day. Could have the dry jack there or have a straight on both boards. No way am I ever folding unless I’m playing the nittiest of nits

I have never folding on that river with that hand in that situation holy crap

Im shipping it on the turn, making it a tough decision for all the sets/two pairs that already invested 300 so you can say that they are committed, they will always fold on a brick on the river. If im against the bigger flush so be it, don’t see a reason for a call on the turn having only 1k

When LJ folds I call. It’s either j high flush or 7 high flush from SB. You’re getting odds. If LJ calls or jams I’m dead. Been in this spot a few times in Texas. 7 high flush is over betting with the pots but many NL players don’t know how to play PLO bomb and they either e check or pot. Better players make less than pot value bets. I think the J high flush by a decent player is betting less than pot to PULL all opponents in. Potting is a push

One of my favourite games, double board bomb pots plo and hi-lo 😊

Your less click baity thumbnails are more on brand for you and your content…I’m here to learn not feel or be entertained. HCL, Polk and others are all fighting for the shock and controversy stuff

Bart have you played much short deck? what are your thoughts on the game?

I'm an idiot when it comes to PLO. If I have 9 high flush I'm snapping that shove 🤷🏽‍♂️

5 opponents have 20 cards out of 38. 1) what is the probability that Jh is among them? 2) what is the probability that Jh is together with another heart? Sinple problem for combinatorics class. 1) might be less relevantvgiven the action we may just assume it. 2) too lazy to compute, but I really doubt it is above 75% (even above 66%, which could be relevant had the hero had full pot behind). My answer: always call with second nuts

Bart trying to connect with this guy at the beginning is worth a re-listen

This hand is rare 100%, it's flushes only... Normally there's set/boat on one board (paired board). Personally, I call w/second..it almost feels mandatory... Funny, it's rare there's even another flush player? "Dispersion/dilution" reduces that likelihood.. Most of thee games I travel to have had these DBPLOBP, on average, a couple times an hour... Playing correctly (as possible) in just the DBPLOBP...can make or break one's session... And, honestly, it's the easiest place to develope an edge, because most don't work/study @ it.....

I haven’t seen the results yet all I know is I’m snap calling river assuming he has naked jack lol

Hey Bart, I got a public cardroom that runs a 25 ante PLO double board bomb pot only game. Interested? Lol.

So you can play the same 2 cards on both boards? Big fish 🐟 alert!!!

I wish i could be in the position he was. If he gots it he got it

The man's name is Bo-ch 😂 not Botch

Thumbs up if you’re jamming the turn here. Calling puts you in the dumbest position (see video 🤣). Still might get calls from people looking to gamble for paired board.

I would have thought he had q3

I know you shouldn't be paying people off on the river but when you got the second nuts I don't think it's that bad to pay somebody off.

i had a flush draw on both boards and called to see the turns... blanks someone mentioned something about a flush which made me fold on the turns my double flush came on the river and i was so tilted.. would had scoooped a huge player talked me into folding

Wow how do you fold here? Guy shoves 700 into 1200 and you fold 2nd nuts on both boards? What if dudes got like AA with a straight on top and maybe Jh for a blocker. So many more lesser value than bluffs.

I call with my eyes closed

This was played at Chasers 💅💅💅

My goodness

NEVER EVER FOLDING

These double board bomb pots are so bad for the game. One guy hit n runs 4 players and takes all the money off the table, two of those players go on tilt and just quit the game, and then the other two rebuy for the minimum. None of the money goes to the players you want it to go to so that you can actually play poker and stack them

SB really shouldn’t be potting river with 7 high flush. He got called in two spots on the turn and at least one of those people has a flush and theres 7 flush combos that beat him and 3 that don’t. Because he got called in 2 spots on the turn you have to think he’d shut down some percentage of the time on the river with the naked jack. If I’m hero I think I’m randomizing and calling river 2/3 of the time.

Buck threw em in the muck…. 😔

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Way too many callers seeing way too many monsters under the bed

Buck 😂

nit

If you had the full 1200, a fold could be considered. With 700 this is a snap call.

He is playing money scared, thus playing at the wrong stakes. Play 1/3 or 2/5 at the most

cry call and hate it.

Botched

Newest form of poker? Used to play double flop PLO over 15 years ago!!! This was the standard game in most dealers choice games in uk and Ireland casinos for years….are we going to see a badugi revival soon?! That was a shit game..