What would you choose 20 longer or 20 straighter?

I love seeing these numbers and comparisons! If only launch monitors and the like were more accessible to the common weekend golfer 😞

I like these type of videos so much better than the reviews... raising golfer IQ and skill rather than me drooling over new products. Nice work boys 👍🏻

Makes a lot of sense guys.Last lesson I had for the driver didn't go to plan. Had to get a new shaft first so while that was being ordered I was told to practice hitting a five iron as I was coming over the top. Out of my six lessons I only had two which were all about the driver. I wish I had seen this before I spent a load of cash for a swing that is still over the top lol.

Great video fellas. Thanks!

Love the knowledge. This truly shows the "science" of playing good golf vs better/great golf. Most players do not think of playing this way and it shows. Since I've been following this channel it has changed my approach to playing and it's helped a ton. You can't just walk up and colbber every shot like in this driver to wedge or driver to iron approach example. It's all about playing to YOUR strengths.

The "lesson" at 2:40 made me laugh a lot harder than it should have. 🤣

I recently replaced my Callaway XR Driver for a Taylormade SLDR mini driver as I was happy to lose distance for finding more fairways. The difference has been amazing. I play off 23 and more often than not hit in the early to mid 90s. Since making the swap last month I have hit between 84 and 89.

The discussion regarding coaches using a 7-iron to teach a lesson where the pupil has asked for help with driver was soooooooo common! It was unbelievably frustrating for us pupils.

"The Gapping Tree of Love"... Classic... LOL!!! I love the deep dive into numbers in the sense that there's some real discussion about what it looks like on the course. Strike is king, loft is king, and distance... is dramatically helpful.

Well thank you for teaching us on how to not break 80

Great video

Really interesting and plenty to ponder - good to see the two of you working in tandem like that - good explanations and good shooting Coach!!

Thanks boys. Love you way you make me think about things in a different way. 👍

Classic coach always brings that pure comedy gold. Keep up the great work guys👍

I love the way you’ve superimposed the graphics over the hitting screen 👍🏻🏌🏼‍♂️👏🏻

Great video mark, I loved everything you did on strokes gained and this just backs it up. I try and explain exactly this video every time I’m playing with higher handicappers or beginners, after two rounds they just see the scores tumble

What setup have you got in the new studio then? What screen are you hitting into etc, trying to build my own one at home.

if you want a playing lesson on how to not break 80 I'm available and reasonably priced!

Coach, the master of not breaking 80

Agree 100% I’d rather be hitting a shorter club into the green, however, how about difference between autumn/winter (scrubby, muddy, manky lies in the rough) vs spring/summer (when greenkeepers are able to keep rough more consistent)? Would you still rather risk hitting an 8i from a scrubby lie in the rough over a 6i from the middle of the fairway? How much of course management includes adapting to seasonal changes and how much do amateurs get that wrong?

Love it. Last year after watching all your vids I decided to work on strike alone, especially driver. Seen good improvements in my game. Now decided to read and move on with Adam young book the practice manual. Smart move? Great vid as always boys. Thanks.

I absolutely love the content! To the point and easy to understand. Thank you!

Always very informative, loving these.

The 7 iron comment resonates with me but it’s not a clear cut thing either. I am that soldier that can have a card with 8-10 pars but with 5-6 blanks at the same time. The blanks are exclusively down to the tee shots. My good ones are 250 out there but my missed could be 45 degrees straight right or a savage hook to the left. I’ve had various lessons over the years trying to fix my driving with teachers that DID actually let me hit driver during the lesson. None of this ever really “stuck”. However I recently discovered someone that took a look at my driving and decided there was no point working on it without fixing some basic technique problems so we started back at the seven iron. Initially I was a bit disappointed in this as I thought my irons were good and if I was in the fairway I would usually score on a hole. However as time has gone on I’ve seen the benefits. I’m actually building a “proper” golf swing and both my irons and driver are benefitting. I really hope to make a severe dent in my handicap this year. So not disagreeing with it but for some people it might make sense to start back at the start!

So true about coached in the past. You're actually tempting me to see if there's any coaches near me with your attitude nowadays 👍 BTW I'm pretty sure that by getting my driver straight it would semi solve both problems 🤫

Really lovely. Great advice as always. Get on a launch monitor. Works wonders for your understanding of what you are doing

Great vid guys! It’s the strokes gained thing again. I just can’t keep my drives on the fairway. Need a good way to fix path! Keep up the good work

For me, straighter will win first. But that's because I put myself into worlds if trouble off the tee and spend the rest of the hole playing catch up. If I can get reasonably straight then the extra distance will definitely be a massive help 👍👍

A 160 out not the best place to be 5 or 6 times a round will make it tough to break 80. Mark you’ve made your point consistently over the years it’s always about club path, delivery and angle of attack.

When i take this approach i seem to gain 1 or 2 strokes on a couple of holes, but then cost myself 7 or 8 strokes on others, couple of 3 off the tees, couple of chip outs sideways from the trees etc. So whilst i know you've been pushing this approach for ages and i understand your point, for me strokes lost seems a more important consideration than strokes gained. Also, my putting is the weakest part of my game (despite all sorts of lessons) and so being 5 feet away with a wedge is much the same as 15 feet away with an 8 iron, i would still expect to two put both. Put it this way, i would only call one of coaches shots a genuine birdie chance and that still wasnylt a dead cert!

This was great. Thanks guys

Table 6.1 Page 102 of Every Shot Counts Strokes per 20 yards... PGA tour: 0.8 80 golfer: 1.3 90 golfer: 1.6 100 golfer 2.3 115 golfer: 2.7

Exactly what I've just done. Bought a driver TS2 🤭. Always used 3 wood off the tee for safety but now hitting into greens with 9 iron/ wedge instead of 7 iron.

Seems like there’s also the message of play from the tees best suited for your distances rather than skill. If you wan to hit little cuts into the fairway, play from the closer tee box. Easy, yes?

So going by these 2 tee shots, would I rather be hitting a 3w 260 yards from the fairway or a 3w 240 yards from the ruff on an uphill lie?

That was awesome brahs... that video was made for me. I play off 10 usually low to high 80's... i hit my irons well with good distance, chip and putt OK tbh. Where i struggle is the driver!!! Its my achilles heel. I struggle with the transition from irons to Driver. Do have a bit of long term back injury and just tend to take away inside and come down to steep. When it works its a 300 yards bombs, when it doesn't... its a lottery and can be in any direction. might even top it it 100yds and more often than not toe it 200 etc... but if i pull it from the bag it costs me 3 to 4 shots a round. On the positive side. i know where my weaknesses are, it could be worse :-)

In my own stat keeping, I can say 100% that if you want to lower your scores, you need to get your tee shots in play. Hitting it further and further off-line isn't going to lower your scores. You need to get the ball in play off the tee.

Going for my 54 hole handicap over next couple weeks...hopefully get in as a single digit ⛳👍 approach shots in and steady pace putting im hoping will doo..if my drivers hot ill smash it.if its cold 😰👍⛳

My big thing over the "off season" has been trying to be able to get to 0 to like 3 deg up with a driver . On holes where theres room to attempt a long donger! I struggle with bottoming out before the ball or a low toe strike. Work in progress lol

Great, great vlog..#cranial...and funnily enough driver is currently my focus in lessons. (Bloomin' cant realise properly) 👍👍👍🔔

It is some time since I had any lessons but my experience, with many different golf teachers, was that when I wanted Driver lessons, as you mentioned, they all taught me with a 7 iron. I assumed this was for my benefit, but as you said it was for theirs. What a waste of my money.

good vid good swings thanks coach👍Mark it's even more important for us seniors 10-20 yds difference between a wood hybrid or an iron cheers from NorCal coach noticed the Apex pros are not in the bag hitting the blade 5 are we 😉👍

Yep I got to hit the 7 iron on one of the few lessons which I went with guess what !!!! issues with driver.....😂😂😂, great vlog guys a lot of sense in what your saying..

2:40 - I've actually had lessons that made about as much sense as that. Shame I didn't get 20 extra yards out of them.

Here's another idea... play from the correct tees for your ability level. Seems everyone at my club thinks they have to play from the championship (1 up from pro) tees. If you ask them how far their driver goes, most say 210-225 yards! Bruh, unless you're driver goes at least 250, play from the regular men's tees!

I find this interesting. I have a different approach to par 5s as a 3 wood can get me in the FW, then a 5 iron and then pitch still has me on GIR. However, par 4s I can agree with driver for each hole where you can’t get a PW - 9 iron for approach. What do people think about par 5s?

This is a cool video.

Great vid bruh. 👍🏌️⛳️🍾

When I was struggling to break 80, it compounding my mistakes. Bad drive, maybe blocked out or maybe chipping out. Instead I would some bubba type recovery I had never practiced which always ends up going through the fairway or left in the trouble areas. Then I would let anger take the wheel. Head off you would say. Course management could annihilate a solid round at any time.

I can tell you exactly the major difference between me hovering around 80 and you when you are playing scratch, par level golf. You gain a stroke or two by hitting two more greens in regulation. You gain three or four strokes with your play just off the green. Finally, you make more puts, especially at the 6 to 10 feet range. Your putting inside 15 feet is amazing. Your putting stroke and your ability to read the greens.

I like the new swing

20 yards longer please! How’s the speed training going mark! Not sure if I missed a video or have you not done an update on the competition between you and Dan! 🤣👍

Is there a lesson now from you Mark on hitting 1 up and not 4 down please

The angle of dispersion is almost identical, so being 10 yards closer is significant. It isn't easy to tighten dispersion but definitely something to work on.

How do I get those 20 yards if I already hit up on it though?

My 8 iron goes 160 but I have a hard time breathing 80. For me it’s not being able to put together a full round. When I’m driving it good my putter doesn’t show up

What about looking for a full club distance into the green especially if your off the tee.

Make a video of lockey’s new iron swing, his feels and thoughts

Longer. And don't get we wrong: golf is a combination of elements. While we all know that length is not the only factor, I find it healthy to talk about and address the driver issues. Yes Gary Player and others mention that the 2nd shot is crucial and stop worrying on length at the same time it shouldn't be a taboo topic. Same goes for Mark's "driving" capabilities 😁 ... did I hear hime blame "windows" 😋

How about making a club test with a 22 hcp for example... make him/her go a round with their own (probably not custom fitted clubs) and a round with custom fitted /game improvement clubs and se the difference. It doesn’t say anything when pros test game improving clubs.

The next round i play on my own I'm gonna play two balls, play first ball as normal then the second ball pick up every drive and walk it 20 yards further down and hit a shorter club. See how different my scores are. What do you think 4 less, 5 less?

The 7 iron / driver chat during a lesson is so true

Be cool to see some indoor course vlogs, 18 hole competition between you two

Great vid, hashtag rightoleft!

Mark you're in trouble. Coach practicing and having 20 yards on you. cant wait for the next few course Vlogs.

Confusing AF for the average hacker. Give me something to work with!

You must’ve stopped doing that after 2016 cause my lesson with you was all 7 iron, no driver. Wanted to improve my GIR 😂

I’ve never seen more forgiving fringes! 🤪

Hand crafted, btw

Your driver lesson to gain 20 yds was -- Mark: "Julia, move up a tee box." Julia: "Okay." No one ever wants to give a lesson with a driver. Only a 7 iron. So I gave up. It's something I have to figure out by myself. Maybe I should only bring the driver to the lesson?

Longer. I hit it pretty straight now. But as I’ve gotten older I’ve lost distance

I think it's better to be 20 yds longer and in the rough (depending on the depth of the rough) that is a 2 club difference...Easier to hit an 8 iron in from the rough than a 6 iron from the fairway...If you were to do that on every par 4 I think you would gain 2 stokes per round

I went for lessons because the miss with my driver was a big right. Spent 3 lessons swinging a 7i slowly and gave up. Pointless. I’ve learnt far more on this channel about club delivery than those “lessons” and have taught myself how to not swing massively down and left by shallowing the club and dropping my hands down in front of my thighs rather than throwing them out (“over the top”). I hit it straight to a slight draw now, and longer, with the added bonus that I can cut it if I need to because I remember the feeling from when I used to slice it.

Personally I would take the straighter, those massive right and left misses kill my score. Glad Coach is getting to swing the clubs more, it's all the practice he gets being newly married, working and all

Who watches these videos sober? Let's talk about my swing

Am I right in thinking the mat is taking 1000 - 1500RPM off his iron?

Coach is hitting shots on demand? Have I entered a parallel universe

Dang how does coach generate so much speed? 119 ss without gyming

As someone that usually shoots in the mid 80s to mid 90s I would say my problems have almost nothing to do with distance. I say almost because yes I am going to be more accurate with the shorter irons, but I would say most of my problems are the result of not consistently hitting good shots. On any given shot I can hit it perfectly straight, chunk it, hook it, slice it, top it, or who knows what else with just about every club in the bag. I also have days where my putting makes it feel like the hole is 5 times bigger and days where I can't make a putt to save my life. I only golf usually about once a week and try to get to the range/practice green one more time a week, don't usually spend any time warming up before a round, and usually not playing pristine courses either. All of these factors, I would say are the reason I don't play better, not because I don't hit it 20 yards further. That doesn't even account for the beer being drank during the round either.

Heading out to a sunny 27C.......Monthly medal......Keep warm and dry lads.

You should have asked me, I can also do the how to not break 90.

Mark Where's Dan????

Worse club in my bag is the driver.

300.000 come closer and closer.... cant wait for all that prices to your German subs....😂😉

Seriously, you guys need to fix the audio, it's terrible

20 longer please!

Now I realise why a 7 iron is the only club I can hit well. I’m going to ask for a refund from my local pro - and compensation for the wear to the grooves and grip on my 7 iron. 👍🏻

So the trick to more yardage is swing the club 6mph faster ✅ Got it.

The reason I bought a speed stick.

Unfortunately, for some of us, distance isn't the problem...

longer

so true, unless i pushed a lesson it was always with a 7, or sometimes a putter. Never a driver and i would never push a coach as like a doctor, i go with what they say as they are the experts. Now, doctor driver please

20 fewer putts!

Longer longer longer

Just move up a tee box... or two.

New swing same results.

Give us more vids relating to plus 18 handicappers. This is too technical for the average golfers.

119 clubhead speed. What?

Can we see the out takes of Matt trying to hit those 2 requested drives please? What !!!! He's not a Pro.