Imagine an army general dancing around in the middle of a battlefield to dodge projectiles while the rest of its army just stand in the back watching lol

"Close Victory" All of hexoatls units extremely high tier, 4-5 ancient stegadons, Mazdamundi himself, Kroak, and a feral carnasaur, all dead with practically 0 kills Deployed 3153 troops, leaves with 3034, gained most of them back because replenishment Enemy army loses half their forces during the siege, loses all of them because they lost the siege mfw nearly 10:1 k/d ratio versus higher tier army yeah okay game.

>breaks the enemy's will without ever entering the city >close victory Wut?

“You shot 5 arrows to win so phyrric victory” gotta love the AI lol

How to not suck at seige: 1: Hope your not fighting skaven so Warp Lighting can't one shot an entire card off the walls every 40 seconds. 2: Profit

Myriel, Sorceress of Beast magic: "What is my Purpose, General?" LoTW: "You're a Mana Battery." Myriel: ".... Oh my god."

Additionally, if you use up all of your ammo, and still aren't strong enough for an all-out attack, you can wait for the timer to end. It will give you a draw. You will still be besieging the settlement, so the enemy won't get replenishment, and next turn, you can just attack for the next time, usually winning without any casualties, since you don't have to shoot towers for the second time, saving ammo on your artillery (especially good on Skaven) and getting full ammo/magic.

Oh man, that battle was so close with how you wiped out all of their important stuff with barely any losses, you almost didn't win. Got to love how the game dictates stuff like that.

20:25 "the trick to a good siege is patience" 100% and if i could add, make sure you use all your ammo and magic before throwing melee troops in, prio big beasts and top tier troops and enemy artillery if you have the means to.

Cheesing sieges is oddly satisfying. I can't believe I never did this until seeing your channel a few months ago. Keep up the good work, cheese lord!

28:35 Haha XD Player: Legend please help I can't win this siege Legend: watch me win it without taking lasting damage

Kills everything with virtually no losses...*computer* woof, that was a close one

I remember back in the good old days of rome 1. Use towers on the wall, capture gate house, throw all cavarly into the city, gg.

Legendoftotalwar fixes the siege of Stalingrad

This is a perfect example of why towers with full map coverage were a terrible design decision.

Ah sieges, an utter waste of 10-30 minutes of lifetime against a completely useless AI.

Troy: we need to build a trojan horse to enter the enemy city. Legends: enter the enemy city? No we don't do that here

When someone rushs into their enemy's fortified settlement, I always hear the garrison sing: ,,Win the battle, lose the war, Choice of evils lie before for your feet Retreat! retreat! reteat!" (Let's see how many still know this song ^^)

I have played hundreds of hours and just now know of overcasting haha.

853k, how to not lose a siege, actually spend money on your armies.

cheese smorgasbord! :-)

Just putting Morathi and the Hag into control groups would've surely helped your micro immensely for the early tower dodging.

Really liked how in this video you explained more than usual why you're doing what you're doing. Really helps a noob like me who just got the game and was struggling with exactly these kinds of sieges.

Why didn't i think of this!? Thank you dude! Iv'e been intimidated by sieges and usually auto resolve lol, the results are usually mixed. Almost always have to bring in a couple global recruits though to continue pushing on the enemy. This helps a lot.

Thank you legend...I have always wondered if the single or the multi-shot was better on those bolt throwers but never wanted to test it because lazy, but I listen to you play at work and pick up what you say more than see it. Good stuff man.

After watching so many sieges on the livestream, I knew exactly how this one was going down

This. This is the video that saved my 150 turn Ikit Claw campaign. I was simply inexperienced that I thought all sieges should be fought on walls..y'know the traditional way. Needless to say countless Stormvermin and Plague Monks have died before taking the walls and the gate so that weapons teams would move in, and I would have only 3 Plagueclaws. To take care of their mortar or trebuchet or what-have-you. Not to mention 2 turns of siege tower building. But now? I just send in a plague monk beforehand to damage walls, open up breaches. And then send in the army which is now almost fully ranged. Catapults take out their ranged units, then weapons teams move in to shoot through the breaches. Even the toughest settlements taken with zero losses. So thanks,Legend. As always, love your content.

The best siege scenario I found was Ikit Claw with endless drums (ammo regen on ratlin gunners). You got the ideal artillery to create pockets in their walls, and then the gunners don't need to be efficient to whittle the army down.

You’re point on the minute things done changes how the AI reacts is spot on. Often I find trying emulate how you bait the archers, i wind up getting to close with a flying unit and the entire army decides to charge in.

Man thanks for this video. After seeing it and training a little bit, I enjoy the siege battles again

The real power of dark magic is power of darkness imo. Its literally the equivalent of 4 arcane conduits at once which lets you spam spells quickly. The only other good spell is soul stealer in certain situations (particularly if its a black dragon lord). But by having an extreme WOM recharge mage as a supreme sorceress lord, you can make room for a secondary caster such as fire or shadows for vortex damage vs infantry.

The victory types are so broken. I've gotten pyrrhic victories with 0 losses.

Never change your outro

All about the angles: LoTW the Hanzo of WHTW.

flock of doom is a reasonable slow DoT, a bit like the grey magic miasma, putting them both in the same area can work wonders. i only found this out when the AI gave me an amber wizard early in an empire campaign.

“Let’em total war here today” “we are besieging hicks waddel “ captions

I still love how when addressing the enemy it is 2 armies plus our favorite mummified toad who is an army himself

Hah, that was a nice and really enjoyable one for the end of the day to just sit back and watch some beautiful cheesing to happen. Surely the cheese god himself is pleased!

I remember tying to cheese a siege in Shogun: Total War when I first played it. It failed miserably. I kept all of my army outside the walls, out of the enemy's range, and infiltrated the castle with a bunch of shinobi/ninja squads that could climb the walls. They didn't last long when they stepped into the capture zone lmao

Thanks a lot Legend, I've become so much better at sieges/assaults thanks to your vids !!

just nice, thanks for this Video and the demonstrate of strategy

This is the exact video I've been looking for.

I learnt more watching this than playing dozens of sieges by myself.

Good to know about the multishot versus towers.

As lizardmen I like to bring 3-4 stegodon units and a couple carnosaurs, dread saurian, feral stegodon. I use the stegodon ranged to punch holes in walls. Then I run some salamander packs up to barrage archers covering my monsters charging in the walls. Now that the enemy isn't plugging the walls my infantry goes in. Then some horned ones rush through to charge their archers deeper in the city

hey, legend. Could you do videos to show what is the army choice for different races and how to use them?

Was happy seen' this alongside my vampire counts friends

Pleasure never stops

Now i want to see you using a Lizardmen army to siege the dark elfs!

another thing is that if you have movement you can attack multiply times in your turn you just need to break then re seige and you can attack again. I do it in empire if all I have is a motor to kill towers. This only works if you get a draw as a outcome. If you get a win you can just chose to settle or not.

Nice trick. I will try this out tonight.

great video. i'd love to see some other videos on siege guides for other factions! this strategy works well for a faction with magic and/or arcing missiles, but how would you approach this same fight with dwarves or vampire counts?

I'm not sure what the player did differently to you or what I've done differently in the past but I have played sieges where the move their large units to the capture box. Not had one I couldn't win yet but it does make it significantly harder when you're unable to pick off their large units

Wish i had FPS like this in big battles

Thank you for the master class on siege warfare.

So it seems that the real key to sieges is having ranged units that can fire in an arc and wizards

Thanks for the tips, help me to reduce my casualty on siege. Any tips to counter the enemies if they have artilleries inside their base

Wow I never thought of playing a siege like that b4 gotta try that out

I've been using the big bolts on towers for so long!

Granted I haven't been playing for that long but I had no idea you could juke and jive long range artillery like that. I thought it basically snap-shot the positional states when firing and everything else was just for show. It feels like my doomwheels take damage from archers regardless of how I move them.

LegendofTotalEducation

the name of the settlement garrision veelste koud is litteraly dutch for (way too cold)

How to not suck at a siege: "Super easy" *CLICKS THOUSANDS OF TIMES ON MICROMANAGING TWO TINY UNITS*

I've noticed recently when I angle dragon breath attacks as you did they do nowhere near as much damage as they used to. Or I'm going mad.

Was always not sure about Dark Shards vs Shades , like shades are a higher tier unit but with less models and cost more. But I am gonna try replacing shards with shades and see how it goes (probably was just too lazy to build the shades building)

Flock of Doom is not bad against blobs, it's actually rather WoM efficient when you catch 3+ infantry units inside the radius. It's an option if you don't have armour piercing vortices/winds, like here.

Do bolt throwers do more damage on towers with the multi-shot over the single shot? Edit: Never mind - 8:18

amusingly enough I find the tower targeting MORE accurate when you move than when you don't. I just put my heroes in front of the tower to be targeted and they never get hit more than once or twice.

land dragon on wall. laugh in dead bodys.

Target units at MAX distance to increase the arc. Good shit, half an hour well spent.

Okay, but what do you do when the enemy has decent archer units on the walls, the map doesn't have a blind spot in the towers' fields of fire for you to put your army in, and you don't have a ton of artillery?

Dude what the hell flock of doom would have been great against their massed troops just sitting there. You can cast it on units as well so even if they move it follows them and damages stuff they run past. Also this reminds me of Rome 2 , sitting and waiting for my Cretan archers sweep everything off the walls.

Very similar to a seige that’s kicking my arse right now. Lizards defending with similar composition, I’m attacking with Noctilus and a lot of Necrofex, supporting army full of gunnery mobs, promethians, 2 carronades, queen bess and 2 mortars plus a gunnery wight. How do you do the siege without the archers’ ability to snipe stuff over walls?

i love this game, but the turn times drive me insane.

10 minutes in. I appreciate the tips bro, thank you! Great video.

@6:16 The moment Legend realises the towers don't reach all the way to the back of the map and he only ever had to distract one tower and Morathi need never have taken any damage (technically if the initial army had been really packed together nothing ever needed to come within range of a tower).

The name of the other lizardman army was veelte'koud - veel te koud in dutch means way too cold

1. Install a mod that limits tower range 2. Pummel them with artillery, forcing them to sally out the gates.

The ottoman empire spent over 20 years besieging a Venetian city in the C17th.

This is one of the cases where control groups would help ... at least for the dodging at the start, because "dragging a selection square" is slower than hitting a number ...

its very easy to take fully upgraded hexoatl. just take def+1 armies and use autoresolve :P

I dont bother with sieges. I have Isabella and her 6 Vampire heroes waste everyone on the walls while 13 Varghulf do the instant can opener on the gates. A pinch of wind of death and the city falls before the skeleton support army even made it to the walls.

simpe tip, dont attack a walled settlement with an army in it and use the good ild ambush trick to bring out then attack

One wonders why the AI does not rush out of the settlement if it has a much better army(armies) than the attacking one. If those two armies just rushed out to meet the dark elves they would just anhiliate them.

Can you show more sieges as different races, and specially against skaven and their bullshit artillery and warp bombs (new to the game and sieges are relatively hard for me personally)

Chill wind does as much AP damage as overcast wind of death (way less range and duration) that would seem to be a better choice here than miasma. Kamachothunderbus has a reasonably up to date spell stat list pdf online. Penemubral pendulum got it’s normal damage cut in half in the last patch so it’s a little out of date. Knowing what spells to use when isn’t always obvious so this pdf is a huge help. Miasma isn’t a total waste but chill wind would have overall done more damage (48 per unit hit) so hitting just 100 units does almost 5k damage for 5 winds of magic. You could basically kill an entire unit per cast. That’s roughly 1k damage per wind spent while miasma does 1k per 4 winds here. As long as you hit more than 20 units per cast chill winds is superior. Direct damage spells are best when other spells would backfire or otherwise not get their full value per winds spent. Bladewind would need to tick a few thousand times (hitting the same unit multiple times or hit like a thousand units lol) to get that 1k per winds value. Simply not possible.

Man it's like a Shogun 2 siege battle.

I can't believe you let that skink unit on top of the gatehouse deal that much damage. To kill units on walls walk up to just before the wall and turn almost 90 degrees and shoot a unit at least one tower spacing away. This way the shots will arc onto the wall from the side and none will be stopped by the parapets.

Okay so this makes me wonder. Is it actually possible to win such large battles/sieges on legendary difficulty without cheesing?? Because if you have to cheese no matter how good you are, that makes the difficulty challenge bad

It would be interesting to flip this and have the Lizard men attacking.

Question: if you have to siege a walled settlement without anything that can take out towers (early Empire, only arty is mortars) what's your favorite cheese/way to do things?

your wall is the 12th man

Tanks & Nice idea for a video but i guess a speed-up commentary would have been a better format to watch. its really slow paced

The way I cheese during sieges, I don’t just hug my army next to the wall. I just find a little patch of forest, and I hide them all in one little blob. Of course, sometimes you don’t have place to hide. And elves see your hidden units. But 9 out of 10 times, it’s a legit strategy. The enemy can’t target your units for shit

Should your bolt throwers have been set on armor piercing for taking down towers or no difference? 🏹. obviously you had your hands full but i might have to run a test sometime. 🧐🤔. !! Lol.. Note to self, watch whole video first.. 🤣. Thanks for the psychic answer @8:15 !! 😇

So here's my question. How do you do this with races that don't have arrows? i.e. vampire courts?

Can Dwarf archers do the over the wall stuff too? Seems like Quarrelers and Thunderers have little to no arcs. Haven't played around with the rangers but I might seeing how this is done.

I was like, how is this a disaster? But then I realize not everyone has seen your early WH1 dwarf campaigns. My god was that some fuckin' cheese. Quarrelers are still my favorite unit.

how to win siege: 1. get two stacks of savage orcs 2. immeaditely charge all the walls 3. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULL FOR THE SKULLTHROD