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How to re time the VE injector pump without removing the timing belt

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@greebo7857
@greebo7857 3 жыл бұрын
Great Mike. Very informative. Wish I'd had teachers like you back in the day.
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@MrRobmellor
@MrRobmellor 3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. Back in the learning days some blokes wouldn't teach you much, it was like joining the freemasons before they told you more than to brew-up.
@Abdu-Mechanic1
@Abdu-Mechanic1 19 күн бұрын
Bro me too i never had one I look for it everywere my whole life I never got one but end up walking the part on my own
@georgemoore5139
@georgemoore5139 3 жыл бұрын
Mike,as ever, 10/10 for artistic entertainment. Thoroughly enjoyable.
@chriskautz3245
@chriskautz3245 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome videos .. gives me the confidence of tackling these jobs , being disabled and money is always tight . saves me money on garage bills . I like the down to earth approach . keep up the good work . Stay safe , Bud , best wishes from ol' Blighty
@lliambunter
@lliambunter 3 жыл бұрын
I knew you were too professional to have left it the way it was pleasure to watch !
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
Yes - it would make it difficult for the next time the belt was changed
@davidwoods80
@davidwoods80 3 жыл бұрын
"...round of applause..." Clap Clap Clap! Excellent reference video, Mike.
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave!
@stephenlyttleton9032
@stephenlyttleton9032 3 жыл бұрын
That was some valuable information! (even more than usual). Loved the panning camera shots too.
@MrNineCherries
@MrNineCherries 3 жыл бұрын
I'm addicted to these videos.... Useless info for me and my TD5 but I can't stop watching 👍🏻 I love understanding how things work, so i'm sitting here with a cup of coffee watching a your vids and learning something new, cheers Mike.
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@SalomaoFresco
@SalomaoFresco 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike. Another great tutorial, clear and concise. Thanks so much for your fantastic explanation. Cheers
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@gazzafloss
@gazzafloss 3 жыл бұрын
Really good instructional video Mike, thanks for that. I've never seen the job done using all the "correct" tools, all the ones I use I've made, even the adaptor for the dial gauge into the back of the pump, but it works fine.
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@user-xf7nm4db4f
@user-xf7nm4db4f 5 ай бұрын
Many thanks on another excellent /entertaining ( or should it be educating ) video. This one covers my next task.
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 5 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@dannydavis1964
@dannydavis1964 3 жыл бұрын
Good video didn't go over the top with details easy-to-follow thanks😁👍
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@sweed58
@sweed58 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant professional and no laptop needed
@jameskerr5756
@jameskerr5756 3 жыл бұрын
Camera must have had a couple of Jamesons. Another great video. I've got 3.5RV8 in mine so not hugely applicable but very interesting all the same.
@1pabguzr
@1pabguzr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the info. Keep making these great videos please 🙏
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 2 жыл бұрын
Will do!
@craig_chaznibond452
@craig_chaznibond452 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike, this really explained this well. I thought it was black magic before!
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think many know how to remove the pump with this kit!
@Reaper4367
@Reaper4367 3 жыл бұрын
you know what Mike, i just may have to send you my pump to refurbish! Awesome job pal. Cheeers!
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
Problem with refurbishing pumps is setting them up - stripping, cleaning and replacing parts is easy - it is the fine adjustment which is the problem as you never know who has been tinkering with them in the past
@Reaper4367
@Reaper4367 3 жыл бұрын
@@BritannicaRestorations Exactly!. Thats proberbly why, with this new Tdi im only getting 460 kilometers per tank. Atrocious. My other one was getting 900-1100 per tank, depending on driving conditions.
@mattjones3795
@mattjones3795 3 жыл бұрын
try a posilock puller. they are expensive but the work very well.
@Defender110SLO
@Defender110SLO 3 жыл бұрын
👏 Cheers Mike. 🥃 Again learnd sething new! Thank you. 👍
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@jasperbwalya5954
@jasperbwalya5954 Жыл бұрын
Your explanation is brilliant! thanks so much
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@coyote5735
@coyote5735 3 жыл бұрын
That was very good Mike, it's easy to see how a novice could get themselves in a right state. You should get yourself a keen intelligent apprentice to pass those skills on.....could be part of your pension plan!!
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@ashercohen4739
@ashercohen4739 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the tutorial I am going to apply it
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@springy-2112
@springy-2112 3 жыл бұрын
Mike I'm quite upset about this video ! The way you explained it I actually understood the whole deal . This won't do !😲👍🏻 Peace and love brother👍🏻☮❤
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@darrenleeson3771
@darrenleeson3771 3 жыл бұрын
Another very interesting video.
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks again!
@jimkillen1065
@jimkillen1065 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video appreciate the information
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations Жыл бұрын
No problem 👍
@philaddison7590
@philaddison7590 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation Mike. Could you do a video on the essential tools of LR maintenance. Thanks
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion!
@stephenbricolman1067
@stephenbricolman1067 3 жыл бұрын
I used to do the same for Bosch pumps fitted to newholland excavators. But you must be sure that when you set the injection pump piston stroke at 1.6 you are setting it up for output to the correct cylinder. The pump 360 rotation is divided into 4 quarters. If you spin the pump round at any time, without your timing flange it is possible to set it up to inject on the wrong cylinder.
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
The keyway points to the number 1 cylinder on the Tdi
@stephenbricolman1067
@stephenbricolman1067 3 жыл бұрын
@@BritannicaRestorations that bit you pulled off with the 3 leg puller can't have a keyway or you wouldn't have been able to adjust its position
@jackvaughan7577
@jackvaughan7577 3 жыл бұрын
Dead right Stephen, an ya Up ta y'er Boll*x in Shite on a building site, upside down through the engine cover trying to get her going for the morning, but t'is an awful lot easier than today, it's like taking the back off the Telly !
@stephenbricolman1067
@stephenbricolman1067 3 жыл бұрын
@@jackvaughan7577 ha yeah you know the score 👍
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
There is a keyway in the shaft but not in the pulley
@jesusquik
@jesusquik Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another interesting video Mike, that was a very good explanation. I have a little question about the torque of the central nut, you said was 90 nm?? Thanks for all.
@MrAllanwinks
@MrAllanwinks 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike I enjoyed this very much. Could a similar technique be used on a 300 tdi fitted to an automatic discovery?
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
I believe so - never seen one
@peterlutz4348
@peterlutz4348 8 ай бұрын
Thanks
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 8 ай бұрын
Welcome!
@bryanmorrissey1300
@bryanmorrissey1300 3 жыл бұрын
Mike, whats the size of the bolts you used please?
@disco1lr490
@disco1lr490 2 жыл бұрын
hi Mike, great video. My 300tdi just had a timing belt change. After that it developed an intermittent loss of fuel supply while pressing the accelerator. One day the engine just stops while i was driving as if i was out of fuel. Does it had to do with the timing belt replacement? Hope you can give me an idea. Thank you
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 2 жыл бұрын
The timing belt should have no impact on fuel supply. I would be checking the filter, shut off solenoid, tank breather and fuel lines for blockages or damage
@disco1lr490
@disco1lr490 2 жыл бұрын
@@BritannicaRestorations thanks Mike, i will check on that. cheers!
@grahamrichardson3532
@grahamrichardson3532 Жыл бұрын
The tool you use to lock the injector can be used in place of your 3 arm puller
@justin940511
@justin940511 8 ай бұрын
Can i time my vp44 without a tool...320d preface?
@andygough4666
@andygough4666 3 жыл бұрын
great vid as always mike and perfect timing as need to reset mine can a standard bolt be used to lock the pump shaft or do i have to try and find the special old type like u used many thanks
@chriskautz3245
@chriskautz3245 3 жыл бұрын
I managed to find a good 2nd user ( secondhand) bolt ( from Bob Beck diesels ) You can find them on auction sites
@andygough4666
@andygough4666 3 жыл бұрын
@@chriskautz3245 many thanks ive been looking for ages still cant seem to find one
@chriskautz3245
@chriskautz3245 3 жыл бұрын
@@andygough4666 www.bobbeckfuelinjection.co.uk/locking-bolt-bosch-ve-pump1463414306-5844-p.asp
@vincentpoole7588
@vincentpoole7588 3 жыл бұрын
Mike. 'Muriel from Malawi' strike Four ! Did one remove all that excess black used silicon around the pump faces ? V.
@petermenzies1714
@petermenzies1714 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, often wondered how you do that. I’ve got a spare pump condition unknown. Do you know where you can you get the pump shaft locking pitch bolt? Is it in the kit?
@derrickray392
@derrickray392 Ай бұрын
I am trying to figure out where I can get one of those bolts also. Did you ever find one? I'm working on this right now.
@markhollahan2859
@markhollahan2859 Жыл бұрын
Mike Using your technique to check timing on my freshly rebuilt IP for my 300tdi question, as I push through the “power stroke” on the IP, I am seeing higher lift than 1.6, hits 1.6 at my timing bolt slides correctly, but if I continue to turn, (having removed the bolt again) I am seeing the lift go much higher. Is this right?
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations Жыл бұрын
That is correct - you are setting the timing at 1.6 - it will go higher as it is not it's peak but the setting point for the pump
@johnlippiatt8200
@johnlippiatt8200 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Mike, a great video as always. I wonder if you could cover something for me which may be beneficial for other viewers as well. When timing a pump you always seem to aim at the setting of 1.54mm lift @ TDC would this be correct for an engine which had the EGR set up as standard as the book says 1.4mm, also if you had an engine originally with the EGR that you had fitted a blanking kit to but retained the original pump which would be the best setting to use? I'm sure your thoughts on this would be enlightening. Thanks for all the work you put in to the video's.👍
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
I have not played with an ERG pump timing - I have noticed that the injectors for the ERG are different and have a higher pressure - could be that the timing is retarded a bit to make up for the higher pressure and cleaner burn? Good question
@johnlippiatt8200
@johnlippiatt8200 3 жыл бұрын
@@BritannicaRestorations Thanks for your thoughts Mike. I had not realised that the injectors were different maybe being a higher pressure the timing is retarded to give more time for pressure build up. Cheers.
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
That is what I was thinking
@jjt1093
@jjt1093 Жыл бұрын
So I have a great situation on my series 3 200tdi conversion, After a nice long while of driving, it started to piss diesel down the bottom wade plug hole, I have ordered the bosch ve front seal hoping its the right one. Do I have to bring everything to correct 0 or with this tool I can just take the pump off and fix it and drop it back on the same place ?
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations Жыл бұрын
It is critical to get the pulley on correctly - if you follow the video you will see the procedure
@jjt1093
@jjt1093 Жыл бұрын
@BritannicaRestorations yes everything is on and timed well been driving for a couple of months already so I'll just rotate the engine till the pin locks on the pump then I'll remove it, I bought the tool set cause of you :) didn't think I'd been it already lol
@nickboylen6873
@nickboylen6873 3 жыл бұрын
I had a similar experience. The pump on my RRC needed replacing and I bought a very new pump from a contact who’d bought a 300Tdi cast by the REME as a non-runner after efforts at fixing it. The reason it didn’t run was that new pump having the flange on at the wrong angle, way off, preventing any chance of setting the injection timing - the engine wouldn’t even splutter, let alone run rough, and I assume the same was true of the Army engine it was attached to, and they had enough of it. I had it reset by a specialist and it ran beautifully.
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
They ae not difficult to do = but you ned the gauge
@nickboylen6873
@nickboylen6873 3 жыл бұрын
@@BritannicaRestorations, I didn’t have a clue how to do it until you showed us, but it was an opportunity to have the pump, which was clearly brand new when the engine was scrapped, tested for all of its calibration - with the timing so far off, what else was mis-set in the factory. But it’s handy to know how to do it for the future.
@jjt1093
@jjt1093 Жыл бұрын
what is the tool called for removing the pump? Trying to find one online :)
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations Жыл бұрын
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254263118507
@baskerwille9335
@baskerwille9335 Жыл бұрын
Hello Mike, I have a question for you. In your video at 4:24, you show the tool to draw of and fix the pulley. What is this tool called? I have a Volvo Tamd 41. Do you think I can buy this tool for that engine? Nice video.
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations Жыл бұрын
That set is dedicated to the Land Rover Tdi's I doubt it will work on a Volvo, But here is a link to a kit (you can get them cheaper on eBay) www.roversnorth.com/parts/rnt2029_timing_tool_kit_diesel_2_5_200_300tdi
@baskerwille9335
@baskerwille9335 Жыл бұрын
@@BritannicaRestorations Thank you so much for the answer, that was quick and useful. Now I know what to look for. The pump looks exactly like the pump on the Volve engine, so I have learned some new things about what to do and what not to do. And thanks for uploading those videos. You are an very good teacher. Best regards Ben, Denmark.
@robnicolson2747
@robnicolson2747 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike great video. That bracket you made was handy! How did you find the measurment for the lift please? Many thanks, Rob.
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 2 жыл бұрын
The measurements are in the workshop manuals
@robnicolson2747
@robnicolson2747 2 жыл бұрын
@@BritannicaRestorations was that a land rover manual sorry? I've got a ve30 pump I was trying to set up, im not sure what vehicle it came from and I've read the different R numbers on the pumps are different lift settings but can't seem to find any more information on what they would be
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 2 жыл бұрын
There were 3 types of pump fitted as far as I know - the early none emissions one, the emissions one and an electronic pump - but that was on the Disco and RR Lift on the early ones was 1.56 mm - Usually re set to 1.6 mm the emissions one was different, and I cannot recall off the top of my head, but I know on the emissions one, the injectors had different part numbers
@robnicolson2747
@robnicolson2747 2 жыл бұрын
@@BritannicaRestorations that's great thanks very much, I'm pretty sure this is the early one it has the lock of tag thing. Tha ks again for the great video
@fire44x
@fire44x 3 жыл бұрын
To make it easier crack of taper then rotate pump with double nut to hold shaft then lock pump slide on taper done
@Abdu-Mechanic1
@Abdu-Mechanic1 19 күн бұрын
This kind of boss is not easy to get I search for them my whole life
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 18 күн бұрын
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/387114934931?itmmeta=01J36SJ1WMY39XGENE11K04FKM&hash=item5a21d92293:g:0Y4AAOSwIhBmeU05&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAABACn8vGWqZGtnOO%2BCbim8XtzUMryhGmxp3%2BBk%2FigZDFKogNObaxIpuMcGd1J%2BU%2FCEktNOqDfLtruiGetVzLUE3ScoKlnDE7sU0poud0p%2BrAZOSyr20WpSDLYmJ56XXujUHxJshFJWXUQTCxmvQ1yoFX5H1ZjHvj4%2BleboEsl3LstlMPa03BZGZn4tFyqSbU1RCUxwW0P2573pHXzZlig7uxE28E%2BobauhVkvl2Ts680ksbv8Gxo6C5s8fEMx1c0%2FA7SMI8kXvhNJPX7WDtttOgWjZ4WXiAmQzt6cRgJq8VQPjV1vKrMeYcDFqZbr0gUe4z42F6z8DvCZoUTvuXHyRgLs%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMuJ7I2Zlk
@jomakira8300
@jomakira8300 3 жыл бұрын
What's it going to take to get that engine up to scratch? Reboring and rings enough?
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@gothbiker666
@gothbiker666 3 жыл бұрын
Mike do you ever adjust the fuelling or modify the pumps?
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
No
@gothbiker666
@gothbiker666 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve tried tried myself in the past, had lots of black smoke or high egt, so back to original spec now.
@ralphsampson9570
@ralphsampson9570 2 жыл бұрын
What size are the bolts you used on the tool to space the pulley?
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 2 жыл бұрын
Ralph - can you elaborate?
@davidchase7166
@davidchase7166 2 жыл бұрын
@@BritannicaRestorations I believe he means the length of the bolt used to hold the pump pulley against the tool. You mention at about 5:10 that it doesn't want to be too long or too short and that you would put the length in the video description. I was looking for the same bit of info and came across this comment. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
@chriskautz3245
@chriskautz3245 3 жыл бұрын
I got to the stage 15:00 ( video time) My dial gauge pointer went one full revolution and 48 ( nearly 1/2 a revolution gain .. so thats 148 .. so I assume that i have to move the flange 148 in order to line up with the timing pin .
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
1.56 is the regular timing on non EGR pumps - please check before adjusting
@chriskautz3245
@chriskautz3245 3 жыл бұрын
@@BritannicaRestorations thank you for reply . My pump has the black cap with 3 wires ..... I have to start from scratch as the damn puller broke a leg
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
Is this an EGR pump?
@chriskautz3245
@chriskautz3245 3 жыл бұрын
@@BritannicaRestorations No Bud .. its the same as the one in vid ,, its the ve turbo bosch .. I managed to get hold of another pump the same type .. Going to fit that when the weather gets better here ..... I hope you guys are ok with the heatwave at moment .. stay safe
@trevorbyron9448
@trevorbyron9448 3 жыл бұрын
Now set it With the timing at large ( of engine)
@jjt1093
@jjt1093 11 ай бұрын
Hello again, What was the bolt size ?
@jjt1093
@jjt1093 11 ай бұрын
OH engine in place this is quite tricky to line the bolts up LOL
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 11 ай бұрын
Can you be a bit more specific?
@jjt1093
@jjt1093 11 ай бұрын
@BritannicaRestorations sorry the bolts you used to attach the puller ? I got the bolts in the set I got but seem too long or short
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 11 ай бұрын
It will be the short bolts in the kit - you only need 2 bolts to get the pulley off the pump and locked in place - DO NOT over tighten!
@jjt1093
@jjt1093 11 ай бұрын
@BritannicaRestorations ok thank you
@ScorpioxA1
@ScorpioxA1 3 жыл бұрын
Did anyone check out the Brandt BRV made in Bloemfontein SA they do have their own facebook page
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
yes
@ScorpioxA1
@ScorpioxA1 3 жыл бұрын
@@BritannicaRestorations personaly i havent seen one myself butt it looks good though.
@mattluszczak8095
@mattluszczak8095 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone here run their pumps at 1.6mm? How was the performance?
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations 3 жыл бұрын
Runs will with a bit more sparkle - but this was an old style pump NOT the EGR which has a different setting
@charnjanssen3950
@charnjanssen3950 Жыл бұрын
I’ve just turned the engine with the timing pin in, and there’s diesel running over my new timing belt,
@BritannicaRestorations
@BritannicaRestorations Жыл бұрын
Sadly you have broken the front of the injector pump - will have to be replaced
@secpac58chichi
@secpac58chichi 3 жыл бұрын
fantastic - now did the bloke that owns the landy have a rich relative die yesterday because that was not in his budget - LOL
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