How To Recognize The True Church Founded By Christ

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Roots of Orthodoxy

Roots of Orthodoxy

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Fr. Paul Truebenbach is the pastor of Sts. Peter & Paul Orthodox Church located in Salt Lake City, Utah.
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@Marmie3499
@Marmie3499 Ай бұрын
My granddaughter went to the hospital with a life threatening emergency and Olga of Alaska appeared at the hospital and reassured us that the baby would get well and she did.
@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian
@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian Ай бұрын
Do you know the channel called "Christian Orthodox miracles and prophecies"? I think you should let that channel know about that miracle. I would certainly love to hear more about it!
@Marmie3499
@Marmie3499 Ай бұрын
@@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian I will look it up.
@Englishkin
@Englishkin Ай бұрын
"And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part. (Mark 9:38-40 KJV)"
@hz3917
@hz3917 Ай бұрын
You should email the OCA the details of such a beautiful miracle!
@spectralflapjack
@spectralflapjack Ай бұрын
Christ is Risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!! Glory to God for all things!
@bolshoefeodor6536
@bolshoefeodor6536 26 күн бұрын
Glory to Him Forever!
@mariavlahochristos7756
@mariavlahochristos7756 Ай бұрын
Christ is Risen ! Indeed He is Risen !
@BlueStinger475
@BlueStinger475 Ай бұрын
I've been planning on quitting Protestantism and converting to Eastern Orthodoxy. I want to fix my life and get closer to God.
@konstantinoskalemkeridis730
@konstantinoskalemkeridis730 Ай бұрын
be aware I am Greek Orthodox, of the worship of the mother of OUR LORD JESUS and the icons
@TheAllFupa4481
@TheAllFupa4481 Ай бұрын
The guy on the bottom doesn't understand the greek orthodox jurisdiction of the church. Nor orthodoxy if that's what he is concluding.
@jaycee6438
@jaycee6438 Ай бұрын
@@konstantinoskalemkeridis730 Be aware of what?
@JHGSP
@JHGSP Ай бұрын
​@konstantinoskalemkeridis730 ? If you was Greek Orthodox you would know we don't worship the Mother of God otlr icons. Clearly you're a wolf saying you're Orthodox.
@jaycee6438
@jaycee6438 Ай бұрын
Hello. I was following the teachings of Christianity through Protestantism (Pentecostal as a teen and then non-denominational in my 20’s) ….that never really helped me change…. Never really helped me get close to God …. but now being an Orthodox Christian…I can awake early in the morning and I pray and kneel before God, and dedicate time to God without guilt from battling with the flesh for 30 years…. that is gone now…. I spend time in prayers to God, I learn about the lives of the Saints and history of the Church through reading and watching videos, and I go to church regularly for the Liturgy and take Communion. I am so glad that through God’s grace I was introduced to the Church teaching Christianity in its original form ….. O Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner…… may you continue helping me on my path towards salvation…. in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. ☦️
@gaviriak
@gaviriak Ай бұрын
I studied History at college to learn about Ancient China and i ended becoming Orthodox Christian 🤷🏻‍♂️ The Orthodox Church is an Historical Fact.
@Wrestler1love
@Wrestler1love Ай бұрын
@@ristaluthier6032what are you in an orthodox priests youtube channel telling people who converted to orthodoxy that they didn’t choose the right path?
@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian
@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian Ай бұрын
Father Seraphim Rose had a similar conversion story to yours.
@randomCHELdad
@randomCHELdad Ай бұрын
Except calling other sinners Father when we have one Father, in Heaven.
@lekat525
@lekat525 Ай бұрын
A historical fact or specific denomination will not get anyone into heaven. If God called you to attend an Orthodox church, then be faithful to Christ in His Word at that Church and love His people. That is how you know Him and He knows you. No matter where He calls us, the narrow Way is Jesus. He is the Word. May God bless you and keep you🕊♥️
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
​@@lekat525Holy Orthodoxy isn't a denomination but the very Church of Christ. She existed before all denominations came to be. We are called to believe the same things, which is the true believing Faith. Truth matters. Your idea says that Faith is subjective. It's not.
@seeker2219
@seeker2219 Ай бұрын
Listening to wisdom and truth is glorious. Home is home. ☦
@a.m.manole7460
@a.m.manole7460 Ай бұрын
Slava Tie,Dumnezeul nostru,slava Tie!
@Doomreb
@Doomreb Ай бұрын
If I was in SLC I would want his church to be my church. Bless Fr. Truebenbach.
@PraiseGodOrthodoxChristian
@PraiseGodOrthodoxChristian Ай бұрын
I eagerly watch your interview clips with Father Paul, because he is so gifted at clearly and succinctly explaining the Orthodox Way.
@user-er8iv5fh4u
@user-er8iv5fh4u Ай бұрын
Christ is risen ❤
@HolyChristos33
@HolyChristos33 Ай бұрын
Greetings brother ☦️☝️🇬🇷
@TheSimpleDudeOne
@TheSimpleDudeOne Ай бұрын
Father Paul is the perfect bridge from Protestantism to Orthodoxy, I hope many have converted from that denomination due to his logical approach but yet orthodox rhetoric and practice, God bless him!
@davidjanbaz7728
@davidjanbaz7728 Ай бұрын
The Apostle Paul is an important reason why I am Protestant.
@TheSimpleDudeOne
@TheSimpleDudeOne Ай бұрын
@@davidjanbaz7728 it all comes down to your interpretation and understanding though. You generally want to go with doctrine and passed down tradition, rather than subjective moralism and ideation.
@user-er8iv5fh4u
@user-er8iv5fh4u Ай бұрын
God bless orthodoxy ❤
@erikvisagie
@erikvisagie Ай бұрын
Much love my brothers
@erikvisagie
@erikvisagie Ай бұрын
And sisters
@allenh.7373
@allenh.7373 Ай бұрын
@@erikvisagie and non-binary cis-nonconforming two-spirit pan sexual equestrians.
@David-yw2lv
@David-yw2lv Ай бұрын
I became Orthodox in 1996.Best thing I ever did
@dman7668
@dman7668 Ай бұрын
I love the Orthodox Church and hope one day the Catholic Church and Orthodoxy can return to full communion with one another.
@bruhbbawallace
@bruhbbawallace Ай бұрын
I would love for that to happen, but it's simply an impossibility. The only way the patriarchs would ever accept communion with Rome would be for Rome to renounce everything that makes them the Roman church in the first place. At that point, that's not even communion between churches anymore, that's just conversion.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
It isn't possible with the way the RCC has persecuted the Orthodox and still does. And Rome's innovations are another issue along with the Uniates.
@dman7668
@dman7668 Ай бұрын
@@LadyMaria Honestly it's the Orthodoxy I noticed being the most persecuting and developing almost a sense of superiority to Catholics. Just watch some of Jay Dyers videos, he is the poster boy for the behavior of modern Orthodoxy.
@fritula6200
@fritula6200 Ай бұрын
Lady Maria.... horrible lies you say: You say.. RCC has persecuted the Orthodox & still is: Give us the details where and when: You foolish woman, don't you know the withdrawal of the Orthodoxy has left a hole in the heart of the Catholic Church and we Catholics are waiting with broken hearts for your return to heal our pain: The key Spirit is "love thy neighbour":
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
@@dman7668 That's not persecution. Persecution is when the RCC was k1lling Orthodox Christians left and right for not leaving the Church. Look at how your peers act in our forums. That's superiority. You ever think we got tired of how RCs acted?
@Ortho_pilgrim
@Ortho_pilgrim Ай бұрын
Preach!! The Orthodox Church is the true Church!
@dman7668
@dman7668 Ай бұрын
We don't have an Orthodox Church. We have a Catholic Church.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
​@@dman7668We have the Holy Orthodox Catholic Church which is not Papal.
@dman7668
@dman7668 Ай бұрын
@@LadyMaria The Orthodox Church needs to follow their elders and accept Papal authority like they always did.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
@@dman7668 Yet there was no Papacy before the end of the first millennium. We're good where we are. We don't want the Nervous Ordo Mass or anything like Vatican II. Anyway, since your only reason for being here is petty RC squabbling, I'll take my leave.
@sperovrehas5447
@sperovrehas5447 Ай бұрын
@@dman7668papal primacy doesn’t equal papal supremacy. Rome never had direct authority over the 4 other patriarchates, only its own. Primacy of honor was enacted when disputes amongst other bishops got to a stalling point, and only after themselves agreeing to ask the Bishop of Rome to mediate would he then do so. Primacy of honor was always there, not primacy of jurisdiction. Just as Constantinople can’t tell Antioch what to do and vice versa. The Pope was primus inter pares in the original church, first among equals.
@hunteremery2825
@hunteremery2825 Ай бұрын
I just wanted to point out that the Catholic Church's process of beatification is similar to the process that Fr. Paul outlines here. The process requires a local community of people begin venerating and asking for the intersession from a person. It then moves up the ranks until it gets to the local bishop, who may than make the proposal to the pope. After that may an inquiry into the life of the individual be opened and the person may be officially beatified (there are more specific details to the criteria, but I just wanted to share the SparkNotes version)
@cherylcorbitt4540
@cherylcorbitt4540 Ай бұрын
Thank you Father
@Theoretically-ko6lr
@Theoretically-ko6lr Ай бұрын
Glory to God ❤
@mmaakkiinn
@mmaakkiinn Ай бұрын
AMHN..δόξα τω Θεώ ...☦️
@Franco-on7yw
@Franco-on7yw Ай бұрын
As a Catholic believer I’m totally agree with you 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@protestanttoorthodox3625
@protestanttoorthodox3625 Ай бұрын
Amen
@heronguerra2248
@heronguerra2248 Ай бұрын
That's what most churches say; they are the only ones with the tuth. Sounds to me like a lot of hubris going on. God reveals in many and diverse ways. Jesus Christ broke it down to two commandments; Love God and othets as you love yourself.
@bolshoefeodor6536
@bolshoefeodor6536 26 күн бұрын
Where do you get this from?
@christianseverson3933
@christianseverson3933 Ай бұрын
Father, I have a question about your statement at 4:44. I believe you misspoke here. In Roman Catholicism, canonization or glorification of a saint begins at the very bottom, from the ground up. It begins with the people that knew a holy man or woman and make a push towards glorification. From there, the local Bishop must approve of the veneration, and then it works its way up to an official investigation from Rome to be finally approved. This sounds identical to the Orthodox practice, just without the Rome part of course. I would love if someone could point out to me how Catholicism has a “top down process” that is somehow different from the Orthodox process of the veneration begging with the laity and being approved by the church hierarchy. God bless.
@anthonyj4282
@anthonyj4282 Ай бұрын
The Catholics venerate pre-canonized saints in the same organic bottom-up then top-down way.
@sulongenjop7436
@sulongenjop7436 Ай бұрын
Jesus founded the church built on the rock, Peter!
@user-tq8dy3mm9o
@user-tq8dy3mm9o Ай бұрын
Can I go directly to Jesus Christ for prayer and forgiveness?
@parker9163
@parker9163 Ай бұрын
Yes, it’s by his blood we are forgiven.
@inrmds
@inrmds Ай бұрын
Yes I don't know why you would think otherwise
@user-tq8dy3mm9o
@user-tq8dy3mm9o Ай бұрын
@@inrmds then explain why I need a priest?
@michaelkish7794
@michaelkish7794 Ай бұрын
I’m struggling. I am torn between the Orthodox Church and the Anglican Church. Both are in my area. I’m coming from a Protestant background. I’ve been to both churches a many times since December. I’m coming from a Protestant background and my mind is trying to make sense on some of the things I’ve seen while attending the Orthodox Church. Kissing the hand or ring of tue priest during communion, kissing icons etc. And there always seem to be difference services during the week. And I don’t think I’d be welcome as a catechumen because I am unable to attend these church services because of my work schedules and my wife’s. Plus we have 3 kids. I was under the belief that when we die we go into the grave, and the grave is our house until Jesus resurrects us. And God’s breath, which gives life, goes back to God. Many verses seem to support this belief. There are quite a few. And I’m having trouble to trying to reconcile the verses that support we sleep in the grave vs we go to heaven the moment we die. They seem to be two opposing views. With scripture to back up each view. But more scripture ls seem to support that Webber die we await the redirection in the grave, and do not go to heaven yet. . Soul sleep. If anyone can help me make sense of that, I’d be very grateful. Because I’m struggling with this. Thanks!
@atgred
@atgred Ай бұрын
I am Catholic and only She and the Orthodox Churches and the Eastern Catholic Churches have VALID SACRAMENTS. The Anglicans lost them when Henry VIII decided to separate from the Catholic Church.
@darkhorse4198
@darkhorse4198 Ай бұрын
As a Catholic, go Orthodox man. There is no comparison.
@jonnydoe85
@jonnydoe85 Ай бұрын
Don't kiss the icons. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ld-kjLtlyb7UgqM.htmlsi=pCNQJqvHckB74LkC
@inrmds
@inrmds Ай бұрын
Become orthodox
@inrmds
@inrmds Ай бұрын
If you could provide some examples of verses your talking about that would be great
@patricksee10
@patricksee10 Ай бұрын
Really father, your criticism of canonisation in the Catholic Church is off the mark. You try to make a virtue of the splits in the various orthodox churches as if those were a positive. The ordinary course is saints are usually popularly acclaimed first and then the rather exacting official process comes.
@fritula6200
@fritula6200 Ай бұрын
Correct Patrick...God bless.
@frederickanderson1860
@frederickanderson1860 Ай бұрын
5:03 Daniel vision about the image the feet was divided by iron and clay and not mix, thats the prediction of the Eastern and western divide. The rock or huge boulder came from heaven and smashed it all
@stephenbailey9969
@stephenbailey9969 Ай бұрын
Ekklesia (church) = assembly, congregation The Lord Jesus' eternal church is the people themselves, all who have been washed clean by his blood and who are being healed by the Spirit to bear the fruit of love and good works. Denominations, on the other hand, are historical and cultural artifacts, existent in time and participants in specific historical discussions. They are the gift wrapping, although at times mangled and muddied by the rough hands of men, but the gift is the Lord Jesus himself.
@kingdm3387
@kingdm3387 Ай бұрын
Isn't it a repost? It seems that i've already seen that video
@Khan-vv9fv
@Khan-vv9fv Ай бұрын
i think its a part of a larger Interview
@williamshaneblyth
@williamshaneblyth Ай бұрын
This is the KZfaq church
@TheRadChadDad
@TheRadChadDad Ай бұрын
☦️☦️☦️
@taylordavisson4648
@taylordavisson4648 Ай бұрын
Genuine question, how do the Orthodox view Mark 9:38, it seems to speak against apostolic tradition at face value.
@TyrannicalReigner
@TyrannicalReigner Ай бұрын
I don't see how that speaks against apostolic succession at all.
@TBland-ir8kl
@TBland-ir8kl Ай бұрын
What does Repose mean?
@crivera2025
@crivera2025 Ай бұрын
They passed away.
@TBland-ir8kl
@TBland-ir8kl Ай бұрын
Smh... wow, he could have just said that. Why do people like to do that when speaking. Just use common words.@@crivera2025
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
​@@TBland-ir8klThat is the word we use in Holy Orthodoxy. One can just look up words he or she doesn't know. It takes a few seconds to do so.
@KonstantinosPhillippikos
@KonstantinosPhillippikos 18 күн бұрын
ORTHODOXY ☦️
@helenemakuch8366
@helenemakuch8366 Ай бұрын
What is your doctrine on marriage?
@patioprimate4740
@patioprimate4740 Ай бұрын
There is only one marriage
@helenemakuch8366
@helenemakuch8366 Ай бұрын
I had a chat with the Greek Orthodox church here in Ottawa and asked that question..she said they allow 2 divorces 3 marriages ... smh Where do we find truth nowadays. Catholic church hands out annulments like candy I don't know where to turn.
@kylemckinney_22
@kylemckinney_22 Ай бұрын
​@@helenemakuch8366What about someone that is in an abusive marriage?
@lindaphillips4646
@lindaphillips4646 Ай бұрын
​@@helenemakuch8366i do hope you will continue to talk to the priest in Ottawa. There is still more to understand about the authority of the Church. I won't try to try here. The priest is far more able to explain.. AND you get to go to a service there, which i hope you will try to do every Sunday. ☦💝📿💝☦
@jaycee6438
@jaycee6438 Ай бұрын
@@helenemakuch8366 You chatted with someone from the GOC…. “she” said… who was this woman?
@qualitypaversinc
@qualitypaversinc Ай бұрын
The Catholic Church seems to be the only Church with supernatural miracles from Heaven to back up its authority and Holiness here on Earth. Can anyone name another Church that has supernatural miracles that i can study and posibly go and visit. Because ive been researching and the truth seems to be the Catholic Church. The evidence is very very overwhelming brothers and sisters.
@victormargulius632
@victormargulius632 Ай бұрын
Many orthodox icons have streamed myrrh in the presence of many people.
@hippotato4863
@hippotato4863 Ай бұрын
we should never let miracles be our only standard for what is true, because even demons can perform miracles. nevertheless, Orthodoxy has a rich history of miracles such as weeping icons, such as Hawaii's Myrrh-Streaming Iveron Icon. also read the lives of Orthodox saints, the miracles they performed and experienced are countless. ultimately, I think miracles shouldn't be used as evidence because they can easily result in demonic prelest, instead look into the history of the Church and see who remained the same. I think you will find that the west has made innovation on innovation, you can't tell me that Vatican II doesn't contradict previous council. but i'm also looking for the true church myself, so I wish you well.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
There's a channel on KZfaq called "Christian Orthodox Miracles and Prophecies". We have very many blessed miracles, the main one being the Holy Eucharist at every Divine Liturgy, Holy Gifts of bread and wine becoming the pure Body and precious Blood of Christ our God by the sending down of the Holy Spirit. We do not hinge our Faith on miracles. We put it on Christ God Himself. Those who seek after a sign only believe what they see like St. Thomas who was venerated last Sunday for Thomas Sunday. If they don't get the sign they want, they leave. "Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20:29
@cota9601
@cota9601 Ай бұрын
The Orthodox Church has numerous miracles to say only Catholics you’ve seen than my friend you haven’t don’t well research or it’s bias but I’ll give examples myrrh coming out of icons that’s a miracle you can see the story’s from the KZfaq channel trisagion films st porphyrios, paisios, Gabriel or gorgia you see the documentary of your there and you see the miracles of the Orthodox Church you can even see the holy fire in Jerusalem a life event miracle in the Orthodox Church happening every year
@cota9601
@cota9601 Ай бұрын
And if you base the authenticity and the fullness of the church on miracles than that’s just a good distinction Protestant churches have been shown to performing miracles not by the church but by the power of god but god doesn’t dwell in that church you see the fullness of god in the church truth miracles tradition that they carry from the apostolic ages and also if they haven’t fallen into heresy and if you do the research my friend you say you’d see Catholics have fallen into heresy
@dannythompson1057
@dannythompson1057 Ай бұрын
Great title; here is one way to know if you are apart of the Church of Jesus Christ, study very closely the book of Acts and apply the Apostles doctrine. God Bless.
@lanehappel4291
@lanehappel4291 Ай бұрын
Could anybody recommend a bible with the most accurate translation?
@seanm8665
@seanm8665 Ай бұрын
Greek Bible. Or the King James Bible.
@lanehappel4291
@lanehappel4291 Ай бұрын
@@seanm8665 thank you
@thekatarnalchemist
@thekatarnalchemist Ай бұрын
Orthodox Study Bible.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
​@@seanm8665The KJV is rife with errors and doesn't line up with the Greek as it uses the Masoretic Text for the OT, not the Septuagint which is the oldest surviving copy of the OT.
@depthstriderbestenchant
@depthstriderbestenchant Ай бұрын
NKJV
@Yahushua_IS_Coming
@Yahushua_IS_Coming Ай бұрын
I have an honest question.. Please people, do not come at me hateful. I am learning and always wondered about this.. But.. Why are Orthodox Preists, and Catholoc Priests called "Father", when Matthew 23:9 clearly tells us not to call anyone on earth Father?.. If anyone truly knows, please tell me.. I am not trying to pick an arguement.. Promise. I only want to know why what Yesha said isnt honored? And also, if anyone can answer too, where in the scriptures does it say to have images of the saints or martyrs? I understand the word veneration, but, if I recall, we were told to not make images of anything in heaven, sea, or of the creatures of the earth... Are we not all creatures? Including those saints? We can remember them and think of them, I agree.. But these 2 things that I know of, make a lot of people Leary of turning to an Orthodox church in my opinion. I am not trying to be mean or start anything.. Please remember that. We are all Gods children ❤ . Does anyone have scripture to back up these 2 things that show it's okay to do this?
@robertvann7349
@robertvann7349 Ай бұрын
Is God visible or invisible? Scripture says no man has seen God. Jesus has never seen the invisible Holy Spirit.❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉
@miscuitsmarmelade
@miscuitsmarmelade Ай бұрын
This is out of the blue question, and I apologise, but I would like to know why do I keep waking up strictly at 3:33 every morning without any reason at all? I'm getting scared
@AndrewLane-pm2ro
@AndrewLane-pm2ro Ай бұрын
The true Church is headed by a man who is a successor of Peter and holds "the keys of the kingdom of heaven" (Matt 16:18-29). In which Orthodox Church is this man found and what is his name?
@fritula6200
@fritula6200 Ай бұрын
Andrew, May God bless you and yr family...sweetheart....❤❤❤
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
We have Jesus Christ as our Head of the Church. Every Bishop has the succession of St. Peter. In the early Church the Seat of St. Peter was Antioch, Alexandria and Rome together. Rome only had primacy of honor due to being the city of the Seat of the Emperor.
@AndrewLane-pm2ro
@AndrewLane-pm2ro Ай бұрын
@LadyMaria Jesus gave the "keys of kingdom of heaven" to only one man, Peter (Matt 16:18-19) - that means Jesus made one man, Peter, the earthly head of the Church. So what you're implying is that "Every Bishop" holds the "keys" and that "Every Bishop" is the head of the Church, which is a blatant contradiction of Scripture.
@inrmds
@inrmds Ай бұрын
Catholics love to read into scripture. Your question makes no sense 😂 this verse doesn't at all proof a roman super bishop that has universal jurisdiction what's funny enough is that Rome actually admits that universal jurisdiction is a development.
@inrmds
@inrmds Ай бұрын
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. - Matthew 16:18 What then says Christ? You are Simon, the son of Jonas; you shall be called Cephas. Thus since you have proclaimed my Father, I too name him that begot you; all but saying, As you are son of Jonas, even so am I of my Father. Else it were superfluous to say, You are Son of Jonas; but since he had said, Son of God, to point out that He is so Son of God, as the other son of Jonas, of the same substance with Him that begot Him, therefore He added this, And I say unto you, You are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church; Matthew 16:18 that is, on the faith of his confession. Hereby He signifies that many were now on the point of believing, and raises his spirit, and makes him a shepherd. And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And if not against it, much more not against me. So be not troubled because you are shortly to hear that I shall be betrayed and crucified. - John Chrysostom
@ReverendElation
@ReverendElation Ай бұрын
It's easy to see where the error is if one chooses to define the church by adding any other individual between Christ and the individual. It happens in every discussion where someone attempts to add apostolic succession to scripture. Does it show a link to your culture or group? Maybe. But Christianity by design transcends that. Body of Christ/you are the temple language without understanding of the Holy Spirit indwelling, new covenant, and the Kingdom delivered to the saints is always lacking. I love Ortho peeps, and anyone pursuing the heart of God will love all in the household of faith. But every single person or group--every single one--adds man made doctrine when they try to add anything to the basis of the New Covenant, what gives each one who believes access to God, and when they say a certain group is a "true church" - as if the early Christians dressed like that, used golden clothes, had ornate rooms, repeated the same things, etc. Those things are cool--because love and faith transcends culture - - but don't try to act like your particular culture is the "true" anything, especially if you don't do the greater works Christ said His disciples would do. And no, incense and red egg bread doesn't count as greater, though great surely.
@danieldefonce
@danieldefonce Ай бұрын
And these very points, among others, minus his misunderstanding of Catholic hagiography, are why I am becoming Eastern Catholic. Grace and peace to all in Christ Jesus through the Holy Spirit!
@pavlos712
@pavlos712 Ай бұрын
These very points only lead to Orthodoxy, as only Orthodoxy is the Church of Christ.
@kianoghuz1033
@kianoghuz1033 Ай бұрын
Eastern Catholicism is just wanting the "nice" aesthetics of Orthodoxy without leaving the idea of being in an autocracy with the pope. However the pope wasn't supreme, and he caused the great schism. Read the Chieti document. Besides, eastern catholics venerate saints who never accepted the pope and even called catholic doctrines satanic, like Gregory of Palamas. When you read ex cathedra statements like "for salvation it is necessary to submit to the Roman Pontiff (papal bull unam sanctam)" this doesn't make sense and you see that roman Catholicism's golden bull is to kiss the papal feet, and universal faith becomes a burden
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
I considered becoming an Eastern Catholic but ultimately decided on the real thing, true Holy Orthodoxy. History of the RCC, Uniates was a breaking point, and the kneeling to the Papacy still.
@nuns8126
@nuns8126 Ай бұрын
​@@LadyMaria Uniate Eastern Catholics were groups of Orthodox Christian churches forced by political rulers under pain of death, to align with Rome. They were persecuted & tortured until they gave in to pressure. They are compromises & fake imitations.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
​​​@@nuns8126Agreed. That's part of why I decided on Holy Orthodoxy.
@frederickanderson1860
@frederickanderson1860 Ай бұрын
0:48 church is wrong English translation. No such a church as we see today,they had a temple of Solomon built by Herod.. jesus predicted in 3 days the temple be destroyed and raised up in 3 days . The institution of the temple was destroyed and the authority of the high priests.
@simonewilliams7224
@simonewilliams7224 Ай бұрын
So tell that to the Heads of the Catholic Church. The venerations of the Catholic Church are always started by the grassroots belief in the persons holiness and humility to God.
@erikvisagie
@erikvisagie Ай бұрын
I'm happy in any church that teaches the gospel.
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 Ай бұрын
Lord created His Body, His Bride, 2000 years ago.... He is coming to pickup His Bride and He is not a polygamist. Therefore, to be happy with just about any religious group that allegedly "teaches the gospel" puts you in danger of being one of those foolish virgins (Matthew 25,1-13).
@Paisios77
@Paisios77 Ай бұрын
Thats an awful broad brush
@patioprimate4740
@patioprimate4740 Ай бұрын
You might as well go to a mosque
@vaporizejello
@vaporizejello Ай бұрын
what is the 'gospel' though....
@erikvisagie
@erikvisagie Ай бұрын
Is not everyone that confesses that Jesus is Lord his? I could be wrong, but everyone that teaches Jesus is the truth the way and the life is that not the gospel? Please correct me if I'm wrong. And if I am, I am sorry.
@XOPOIIIO
@XOPOIIIO Ай бұрын
The problem with those arguments is that I'm not finding other denomination's claims any less persuasive. If there is one body of Christ, for example, then why there are many Orthodox churches instead of one? That is a very big argument in support of Catholicism.
@sperovrehas5447
@sperovrehas5447 Ай бұрын
They’re all under one Orthodox Church, under the same law. I’m Greek under the Archdiocese of America under the jurisdiction of the Ecumenical Patriarch, but I can go to a Serbian Orthodox Church, or Romanian, or OCA, or Carpatho Russian, or Macedonian, or Polish Orthodox, or Albanian Orthodox one. In any of these im able to receive the sacraments and participate in the services as I would in my home jurisdiction equally. Same church, just governed by autocephalous hierarchs. But they follow a common dogma.
@XOPOIIIO
@XOPOIIIO Ай бұрын
@@sperovrehas5447 Or Ukrainian Church, right? Because it's just partly recognized, and you can't call one Church if it is split inside. Church is one body, and any body can have just one head.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
The Roman Catholic church has 23 churches vs. our 14. The huge difference is that we all have the same beliefs, doctrines and dogmas. In the RCC each of the 7 liturgical rites has different doctrines, dogmas and beliefs. That means within the 23 sui iuris churches there are 7 different groups of beliefs. For example the Byzantine Rite group says they believe as we do. That contradicts the Latin Rite and the Oriental and Assyrian Rites.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
​​​​@@XOPOIIIOThe OCU is noncanonical. The Ukranian church in the US under the EP has no ties to it. The sole Head of our Church is Christ. That's all we need. And yes we can say there's one Church even with cessations of commemoration inside. That happened in the first millennium often. Rome even was stricken from the Diptychs in 1014, an internal matter. That didn't make it not one Church.
@sperovrehas5447
@sperovrehas5447 Ай бұрын
@@XOPOIIIO depends on how you look at it. Under our jurisdiction we commemorate both hierarchs of the autocephalous Ukrainian church and the Moscow church who has an archdiocese in Ukraine as well. Canonically the Ecumenical Patriarch can grant such autocephalous status to the OCU which they did. The issue with the split is with clergy alone I believe with the whole Moscow-Constantinople issue, not with laity.
@kataiwannhn
@kataiwannhn Ай бұрын
However, there are actually people who have come to the conclusion that the church doctrine of the major churches has changed in important ways over time. There is no point in turning a blind eye to it, although it may be a natural reflex for many people within the organization.
@tomn4483
@tomn4483 Ай бұрын
How do orthodox Christian’s respond to our lady of Fatima and the miracle of the sun
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
We don't believe in it.
@tomn4483
@tomn4483 Ай бұрын
@@LadyMaria isn't that a bit far fetched considering the evidence
@david_porthouse
@david_porthouse Ай бұрын
But your recently-arrived missionaries in England deny the sainthood of Thomas Becket, Thomas More and John Fisher. Is that right?
@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian
@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian Ай бұрын
They were not Orthodox, so yes we would deny their canonization.
@david_porthouse
@david_porthouse Ай бұрын
⁠@@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristianOrthodox Church was simply unknown in England during their lifetimes. It was practically unknown when I was baptised in Hebburn on Tyne in 1955. Why should I take your word for it that they are not saints? You never challenged it when I was learning about them in a Catholic school in Jarrow in 1962 during the run up to my First Holy Communion.
@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian
@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian Ай бұрын
@@david_porthouse Just because we don't venerate them as Saints doesn't mean we think they didn't go to Heaven. God can save whoever He wants. However, we can't venerate those who held on to false teachings.
@david_porthouse
@david_porthouse 6 күн бұрын
@@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian So what's your authority for saying that Becket, More and Fisher hold on to false teachings?
@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian
@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian 6 күн бұрын
@@david_porthouse The prior Saints and Councils.
@IAMFISH92
@IAMFISH92 29 күн бұрын
God doesn’t care which Christian sect you belong to. He cares about the condition of your heart. There is literally no one who can give epistemic certainty to the truthfulness of their particular group. All of them necessarily appeal to circular reasoning. What’s even worse is that most of these groups split over the most ridiculous of issues and disagreements. For example: old vs. new calendarists. I mean really, Imagine God caring so much about what day we celebrate Christmas that he’s willing to withdraw His grace from the group that follows the wrong one. What a stupid and fickle “god”that would be. Imagine a god willing to torcher people in Hell for all eternity because they picked the wrong group to worship with. Absolutely ridiculous. Just wait until we die. How absolutely stupid we’ll realize we’ve all been when that time comes.
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 8 күн бұрын
There is a problem in your thinking... Mark 16, 16 spells out requirements for salvation. And second part - Baptism does not exist outside of His Eastern Orthodox Church.
@IAMFISH92
@IAMFISH92 8 күн бұрын
@@johnnyd2383 Again-circular reasoning. You’re reading Mark 16 in light of the Orthodox paradigm, when in fact nothing demands such a reading. How do you know Mark even belongs in the scriptures? You’ll say it’s because the church says so. Yet, how do you know you must submit to the church? Because of the scriptures you’ll say.
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 8 күн бұрын
@@IAMFISH92 If you negate the divine inspiration of the authors of the Bible books, we have no common grounds for any discussion. Then you ought to take any Disney movie and make it your source of inspiration.
@angloaust1575
@angloaust1575 Ай бұрын
The invisible church The elect Body of chosen ones Scattered thruout the world Elect from every nation!
@atgred
@atgred Ай бұрын
Bible verse that mentions the “invisible church”? I just see passages about a VISIBLE CHURCH.
@angloaust1575
@angloaust1575 Ай бұрын
Matthew24 v29.31 touches upon the elect One taken one left Like in a visible church Not all are elect!
@MrOlu109
@MrOlu109 Ай бұрын
The invisible church theory was proposed post-Protestant Reformation. That makes this belief less than 600 years old. Where was this belief for the first 1500 years of church history? Ignatius writing around 110AD made it clear that the Church is where the Eucharist is celebrated, and wherever Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church. So it's on you to show that the Christians of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th centuries onwards believed that the Church was invisible and you couldn't actually tell where the Church was... Good luck! 👍
@anneoise7599
@anneoise7599 Ай бұрын
THE CHURCH OF CHRIST AND THE BODY OF CHRIST CAN BE IDENTIFIED IN THE FOLLOWING VERSES. MATTHEW 18 20 - FOR WHERE TWO OR THREE {or more] ARE GATHERED TOGETHER IN MY NAME, THERE AM I IN THE MIDST OF THEM. MATTHEW 11 11 VERILY I SAY TO YOU, THERE HATH NOT RISEN, AMONG THOSE BORN OF WOMEN, A GREATER THAN JOHN THE BAPTIST, BUT HE WHO IS LEAST IN THE REIGN OF THE HEAVENS IS GREATER THAN HE. 12 `AND, FROM THE DAYS OF JOHN THE BAPTIST TILL NOW, THE REIGN OF THE HEAVENS DOTH SUFFER VIOLENCE, AND VIOLENT MEN DO TAKE IT BY FORCE, {THE POWER OF THEIR INTELLECT] MATTHEW 11 25 IT WAS AT THAT TIME THAT YESHUA SAID, “I THANK YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, THAT YOU CONCEALED THESE THINGS FROM THE SOPHISTICATED AND EDUCATED AND REVEALED THEM TO ORDINARY FOLKS. 26 YES, FATHER, I THANK YOU THAT IT PLEASED YOU TO DO THIS. MAY THE PEACE OF JESUS THE PRINCE OF PEACE BE WITH YOU.
@lekat525
@lekat525 Ай бұрын
You are the true church if you follow the narrow way. All are invited no matter what building you inhabit. I pray, that we will take Jesus words seriously. Many will say, but Lord, I kissed the icons, carried my prayer rope, attended church faithfully. He will say I don't know you. The way is so narrow. I pray for all of us. Blessings to all🕊♥️
@emiemi3490
@emiemi3490 Ай бұрын
What Bible version is this you are reading? or are you manipulating the words of our God and Lord Jesus Christ. I understand your perspective, I too was ignorant of Church History. I too was a Protestant and didn’t know the practices established by the early church leaders. Western Christians DO NOT know the history of their own religion….they know Christianity of the Reformation that came about in the 1500s what I call, “Christianity Lite”…. They don’t have the fullness of the church. They are uninformed/ignorant, as I was, about the origins of the church with the first Christians, which today is known as Orthodox Christianity and the Orthodox Church. I am not trying to change your faith as we all believe Jesus is the Son of God and apart from him there is no salvation, but I highly encourage you to learn the origins/beginnings/history of the Church.
@lekat525
@lekat525 Ай бұрын
@@emiemi3490 The narrow way = Jesus. Obedience to His commands as a walk to sanctification. Putting my trust and faith as imperfect as it is in Him that " He will complete in me the good work He has started. I have respect for church history. But my allegience is to the Lord, not history. I hold you prayerfully as this walk is harder than I ever thought it would be. I am 71yrs old and have walked a long time with the Lord, who is my Good Shepherd. All glory, praise and honor be to the Trinity 🕊♥️
@miloradvlaovic
@miloradvlaovic Ай бұрын
Ugh. I am an Orthodox Christian but I deeply belive not a single Catholic needs to convert to Orthodoxy. The idea of "one true Church" which ofc is the Orthodox one, and the other canonical one is "heterodox" is borderline heresay and definitely pride. More so when we know for a *fact* that Catholic and Orthodox church were once upon a time a single Church. This elitistic sentiment is *that much more* prominent , and possibly originating from - the Slavic communities , which to this day try to insert tribal slavic pagan notios and practices into the Church and the Christian dogma.
@aflack1000
@aflack1000 27 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comment. I'm a "rad-trad" Latin Mass Catholic who lives next to our rectory which is next to an Orthodox (Antiochian) church. In the past I have attended events at the Orthodox church and have never been told I needed to be Orthodox. I understand the filioque controversy, and frankly find it a bit silly. God bless...
@bolshoefeodor6536
@bolshoefeodor6536 26 күн бұрын
You speak heresy against multiple Holy Church Councils through the ages.
@luc2.060
@luc2.060 Ай бұрын
Dear Father, Thank you for these four intersting points. Please let me notice that the catholic church validates them all. - Ordination : yes. - Doctrine : yes, the difference is that catholics pushed further the theology, wheras the orthodox stoped after the 7th concile. The root are the same, only the catholic church digged furthe,r espeacilly sinc St Thomas Aquinas, which has no equivalent work in orthodoxy for having linked philosophy and Revelation into a complete reasonable system. - Worship : this is the oncly point I kinda disagree with. How can one know if you worship as the apostle did ? i think no one actually does. The liturgy has evolved organicaly with time, and no one can claim to have a liturgy same as the apostles. Only we can claim to be ine continuity. In this sens, the Holy Mass of catholics is also made up by the same structure as it was from the beginning (liturgy of the catechumens, etc.) - Saints : no comment on that, just check St Thérèse of Lisieux, St Padre Pio, St Josemaria, or Carlo Acutis. One thing : I think is is wrong to say that the catholic saints are decide up down. Usually its people from his city that start the procedure with the bishop, and then with time the folder may come to Rome. The stories are numerous. Otherwise, how would people like Pier Giorgio Frassati (will be canonized in 2025) or St Charcles de Foucauld be saints ? The system is as bottom up as the orthodox system. I would add a last 5th point that you did not mentioned : evangelization. On that point, one must admit that the catholic church has evangelized both the whole America, most part of Africa and Oceania, and is nowadays converting Asia. On the orther hand, orthodox church tend to be less apostolic. Sorry for my english, I am french. God bless you ! In Christo
@Saved_Sinner0085
@Saved_Sinner0085 Ай бұрын
You make some excellent points
@acekoala457
@acekoala457 Ай бұрын
-Ordination: the Latins changed the way Ordination operates by changing how Bishops are consecrated -Doctrine: it's not about "Going further" it is about properly Exegeting the Faith, which Rome abandoned during the Council of Lyons. -Worship: Vatican 2 opened the doors for all sorts of Liturgical Abuses in the Novus Ordo. This also isn't a good point because all the Apostolic Sects have ancient Liturgical Rites. -Saints: this one is interesting because the Standards for Saints in Roman Catholicism are not the same as those for the Orthodox. And even Saints of the 1st Millennium wouldn't meet the standards that Rome has applied to Modern Saints.
@luc2.060
@luc2.060 Ай бұрын
@@acekoala457 Thank you for your answer. - Not sur about what you make reference to when talking about the change in the ordination. - The catholic church has never stop exegeting. And I maintain that the works of Aquinas is a massive massive thing, one can not ignore. I allows to make the link between faith and reason (cf Fides et Ratio, JP II, 1998), which Orthodoxy doesn’t do. - The debate on Vatican II is something else. Orthodox authorities hasn’t waited until Vatican II to condamn catholicism. If there is a problem with catholicism, it must be found way before that. - Concerning the saints, I have no doubt that both church produce great saints. In the end, both have the same principal teachings, both have eucharistic and sacrements. - You forgot to deal with the apostolic aspect. Would the world be christian without the catholic missionaries ? Has orthodox church got equivalent to St Dominic or St François-Xavier ? Bless you
@CA-by2br
@CA-by2br Ай бұрын
Not so, since the latins err in some points: - Ordination: Thankfully you still maintain lines of succesions. - Doctrine: The problem is that the Latins have pushed dpctrinal innovations that contridict not only the patristic consesus of the Church fathers and Apostolic tradition, but also contridicts holy scripture. Eg. papal Supremacy, Original Sin and inheritied guilt, Created Energies/effects, Abuses of indulgences, Immaculate conception, lumen Gentium, etc. - Worship: As a fellow commenter previously stated, not only did one of your innovations (Vatican 2) led to the watering down of liturgical worship, (as well as opening the gate for several liturgical abuses to be performed in this venacular mass), but also some of the devotions your church has allowed (eg. Divine mercy) are theologically problematic, especially in light of doctrine your church has historically held (created energies for example). - Saints: While it may be true that many of your saints are examplary examples of virtue, some of the others you have canonized may have very well suffered from a form prelest (eg. Faustina Kowalaski, Catherine of Sienna, Francis of Assisi, etc.), especially when you read up on the visions they had. Other persons, Like theresa of Calcutta, JP2, etc. have esposed statements as well as commited actions that cotridict Apostolic tradition.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
​​@@CA-by2brThere's no Succession outside of the Church. That's Orthodox belief. It doesn't make sense that there would be.
@rishanborrymbai1104
@rishanborrymbai1104 Ай бұрын
Learn to humble ourselves and be led by the Helper. The Helper doesnt make such a claim. We can ask Him. When we believe, we are already the church of Jesus. He built us not as what men have perceived it to be. Denomination convert will not save a person. Yes we are to believe in the word. We should hid the word of God in our heart. Jesus nor any of the apostles does not called their gathering of churches in any name. Understand the fact that we, the gentiles who believed in the son becomes the church that Jesus built. We are the temple that Jesus dwell. The Holy Spirit inspired all those who believed in Jesus. The Holy Spirit is not present only in a man-made denominations such as orthodox or catholic. It is foolishness to think as such. The scriptures does not explain church like naming it orthodox, catholic, protestants. We dont need any denominations. We need to get the root right and the root is back to the jews. The father partly blind them so that the fullness of gentiles comes in. We are not the owner. Orthodox, catholic, etc all are nothing. Just men traditions and religious deeds. Yes gathering is important. But men have made it an idol and started calling it names. The churches is vividly explained by Paul. We have the same Holy Spirit working in every believer. Denominations are just man-made division. It is not available in God eye sight. You will be surprised when we learn the truth. There is no such thing as one true apostolic church. For Jesus didnt came to built a physical church. That has already exist from the time of Abraham, Israel. Jesus came and change that. The new testament church is not about buildings or systems. It's about believers. Jesus Himself said it "destroys this temple and i will raise it right back up in 3 days". Solomon built the temple of God which was revealed by the Spirit through his father David and didnt claim it as only one true temple, instead he said, what can i built for God for the heavens of heavens cannot hold Him? Instead for burn offerings?. Who are we gentiles to claim a human made-system as one true church? We are lost into the lies of the devil because we focus on denominations that made us blind about the details of church that was laid down by Paul so clearly. We are so blinded that we fail to realised, God is working with the muslim and hindus not using any denominations but Himself to bring them to the knowledge of the son and knowing the one true living God of Israel. It is useless to do denominational laws and rituals if our root in Jesus is not sorted. We are merely going by men knowledge and not surrendering to live in spirit. If ones allow themselves to live in the new way in spirit, one will understand so called denominations catholic, orthodox, protestant are all useless. All are man made traditions and not even in the scriptures. The scriptures never called believers gathering by any names. But one thing the word did called us church and a temple of the living God. He dwell in us. He doesnt dwell in an empty orthodoxism building or Catholicism building or protestants building. All these are merely created by selfish religious people. All we must do is beware of the leaven of the pharisees. Be it in orthodox or catholic or any man-made religious system. Corinthians is cleared about what ever a man shall built, it has to be built on the foundation that has been already laid in Jesus. God will give the rewards in rhe end. There ia no such thing to make a claim that this denominational man made church is the right one or that one. All is right except those that are not built on Jesus foundation like the roman catholic church which was built on a man name Peter. And it evolve through the killing spree in europe. Which is a false gathering. The real church is "we who have believed & are called to live in the spirit.Know that when two or three gather, there in the midst God is present. When we gather, we build God building. Get the root right. Israel will always be the elected people of God. We are merely the adopted sons and daughters who came to the one true living God through the believe and getting immerse Baptize in the son. This is the way . Jesus showed it in mathew 3:13. Not like religious traditions fake Baptize. Have you done the Baptism that Jesus showed ? For He said do it so that it fulfill all righteousness. Have you done it? Jesus was clean. Already did the circumcision at eight days old. He could have done it at any time of his life. But He did it at the right time to show us the basic of what we must do as a head start to believe in Him. Thats why, as a gentiles we need to believe and get Baptize rightly. The infant baptizing is useless and only a religious traditions. If we learn and see that we are gentiles then we will see things clearly.
@thekatarnalchemist
@thekatarnalchemist Ай бұрын
Paragraph breaks are your friend.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
That's Protestant belief (16th or later century), but not shared since the beginning. So we dismiss this. Gentiles were grafted into the Ekklesia at Pentecost. That's over. There is no longer Jew or Gentile, all are one in the [Orthodox] Church since Pentecost. Please use paragraphs, I cannot really read it beyond scanning.
@rishanborrymbai1104
@rishanborrymbai1104 Ай бұрын
@@LadyMaria Again a reminder . The church of Jesus is not called by any name. The scriptures only called us church. You know well since you belong to a gathering orthodox that the church the Father built in His son is us, humans who will believe. Mathew 16:18 was the Father speaking through Jesus. There is no naming such as orthodox, catholic, etc. This was men who added to the scriptures causing division amongst all the believers of Jesus and making their own rules and laws within their religious sect. You are right, indeed, we have been grafted. Galatians did say all are one in Jesus. Then why are you separating the church like a religious fanatic. Are you living in the spirit? The new way that Paul has commanded to live? Are we all in one in Jesus?Don't you see naming the church as orthodox, catholic is all men's knowledge and not of God? Even the apostles never called themselves in any name. When you start calling names is where everyone claims themselves as the church of Jesus. Which led the catholic to claim themselves as one true apostolic church that supersedes the orthodox to be considered even as a world wide view. But all this is meaningless. Paul already explained that each of us have separate gifts but we are one. But we cannot be one due to men's confusion and men especially who think that their gathering is the right one. Why we have this eternal conflict, it's all because of men's selfishness who created their own system to run things. It's good to have gathering, but the problem is it made us forget who we really are and we start fighting with each other all in vain. One question since I see you're talking much about protestant belief. why do you think rebels or protests start?
@againstalladsgames
@againstalladsgames Ай бұрын
I watch Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel on KZfaq. The conviction of Holy Spirit descends on me while watching and listening. I don’t care what denomination a Christian is as long as he preaches the true Word. For me denominations are a fracture in Jesus’s church brought on by sinful and foolish men. If the love of our Master, Jesus Christ of Nazareth is in your heart you are my brother or sister.
@antenehgetnet9991
@antenehgetnet9991 Ай бұрын
That sounds hopelessness ... One God implies one
@OrthodoxPepe
@OrthodoxPepe Ай бұрын
Then you are a simply wrong
@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit
@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit Ай бұрын
No u ​@@OrthodoxPepe
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
Beware of Mari. He teaches things that tickle ears with emotional appeals but what does he teach of substance? Beware of wolves.. Holy Orthodoxy is not a denomination but the Church of Christ that every split came from.
@nickmauceri1000
@nickmauceri1000 Ай бұрын
How could you delineate what the true word is without the church or a normative authority beyond your own subjective feelings which just leads to a Christian relativism
@gideonopyotuadebo2304
@gideonopyotuadebo2304 Ай бұрын
The true church is founded by Yehovah the true God of all true Christs and not any Christ. The kingdom belong to Yehovah the head of all and not any Christ of God Yehovah. If Paul is your standard rather than Yehovah the true God you will wallow in the confusion of error.
@ronaldfelix1000
@ronaldfelix1000 Ай бұрын
Wait, what without the Spirit you don't have a ministry, so if the Spirit doesn't proceed from the Son, how can Christ send a Ministry?
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
In eternity the Father is the Source, the Son is only begotten by the Father, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. Each has a unique faculty the other two do not. Everything else is shared. The Holy Trinity is balanced and co-equal. Temporally (in time) the Holy Spirit was sent by the Father though the Son at Pentecost.
@philoalethia
@philoalethia Ай бұрын
Fr. Paul says that the "True Church" entails ordination, doctrines, worship, and results. This sounds good and seems right. Indeed, all of these things are present in many different churches -- not just Orthodoxy. However, let us focus on doctrine. Priests like Fr. Paul claim that their church's doctrines are the same as those of Christ and the apostles. "What the apostles believed and taught is what we believe and teach." But that isn't really true. Indeed, Orthodoxy has added to doctrine over the centuries, the most scandalous of these changes being the addition of and mandating of the veneration of icons during Nicaea 2. Not only do we see no instruction whatsoever from Christ, the apostles, or the early Church mandating icon veneration, but the veneration of even holy people or angels is expressly forbidden. There is absolutely nothing wrong with promoting Orthodoxy. It is a wonderful faith. The problem is when it is promoted falsely, with false claims that ultimately constitute deception (though I do not believe that Fr. Paul intends any deception).
@MrOlu109
@MrOlu109 Ай бұрын
What you said about the veneration of holy people being expressly forbidden is demonstrably wrong and false. This is even COMMANDED by God in Scripture: ‭1 Chronicles 29:20 KJV‬ [20] And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and WORSHIPPED the LORD, *AND THE KING.* ‭Revelation 3:9 KJV‬ [9] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and *WORSHIP* BEFORE THY FEET, and to know that I have loved thee. So where do you see in Scripture that veneration of holy and appointed people is forbidden? It is even shown that Joshua falling on his face before the Ark of the Covenant which had two angels sculpted on the mercy seat. ‭Joshua 7:6 KJV‬ [6] And Joshua rent his clothes, and fell to the earth upon his face before the ark of the LORD until the eventide, he and the elders of Israel, and put dust upon their heads. You are sadly mistaken about the Scriptures, and then condemn the Orthodox based on your own misunderstanding.
@philoalethia
@philoalethia Ай бұрын
@@MrOlu109 wrote: "What you said about the veneration of holy people being expressly forbidden is demonstrably wrong and false." You then went on to cite several verses from the Old Testament that all involve the worship of God. Your excerpt from Revelation is interesting, but is obviously hyperbole as is so common in that text. Apparently you overlooked the verses from Acts (10:25-26) and Revelation (19:10, 22:8-9) that expressly condemn/forbid the worship of creatures, even angels. In Acts, Peter forbade his own veneration. In Revelation, an angel twice rejected veneration and commanded the veneration of Christ alone. There are, of course, the hundreds of condemnations all throughout Scripture that clearly and explicitly forbid the worship of creatures and objects. Listing them all here would be quite overwhelming. "You are sadly mistaken about the Scriptures...." Well, obviously I am not. The issue is that you have just cherry picked specific ones that involved worshiping God, claim that these are actually commands to worship other people/icons (when they clearly are not), are ignoring passages that expressly forbid what you are encouraging, and so have yourself a bit confused. That is okay. We all get confused from time to time. The problem is when we then extend our own confusion and confuse others, too. "and then condemn the Orthodox based on your own misunderstanding." I condemn no one. It is in fact various Orthodox who routinely condemn others (often for following the Word of God and not venerating icons).
@MrOlu109
@MrOlu109 Ай бұрын
@@philoalethia No it's your limited view of worship that has you confused... I cited verses that use the word "worship" in the original language and this was acceptable in God's sight. So there is a form of "worship" that can be appropriately given to creatures. But there is another form of "worship" (using the same word) that belongs to God alone. You said the verses I cited applied only to God being worshipped. Are you saying that 1 Chron 29:20 doesn't say that David the king was "worshipped" alongside the LORD by the people? What does it say then? The verses I cited demonstrate the "veneration" that can be given to creatures. Appealing to Acts 10 where Cornelius begins to worship Peter and is rebuked, or Revelation where John is rebuked by the angel shows you don't understand that those creatures (Peter and the angel) saw that they were being worshipped in a way that belongs to God alone. It's not cherry picking, but showing you the other side, as I had already pre-empted your appeal to these other Scriptures before I responded. There's a way to remain true to Scripture and harmonise the two, instead of upholding one form of worship and despising the other which isn't rightly handling the Scriptures. It's your narrow view and definition of worship that leads to your conclusion, but if you take on a biblical view of the worship, and how the same word can have different implications depending on the context, you will see no issues. It is interesting that Christ Himself when He was tempted, said "You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only". He didn't say "worship (proskuneo) God only", which would have been a contradiction with 1 Chron 29:20. Instead He said "serve (latreuo) Him only" which is perfectly in line with the rest of a Scripture. There is a type of worship "latreuo" which is due to God alone and cannot be given to a creature. "Proskuneo" can be given to both God and creatures, but even then there is a type of "Proskuneo" that is due God alone, which is used interchangeably with "latreuo" in those instances. Sorry for the impromptu Greek lesson, but seeing this difference helped me, and so I hope it will help you as well. Don't believe me, look into it yourself.
@philoalethia
@philoalethia Ай бұрын
@@MrOlu109 writes, " I cited verses that use the word "worship" in the original language" No, you didn't. "Worship" is an English word and did not exist at the time(s) that those texts were written (likely in Hebrew). "this was acceptable in God's sight" Well, yes, worship of God is acceptable in God's sight... obviously. "You said the verses I cited applied only to God being worshipped. Are you saying that 1 Chron 29:20 doesn't say that David the king was "worshipped" alongside the LORD by the people? What does it say then?" It depends on the translation and cultural customs. The question is what they did, and the passage is not completely clear. Some In some cultures to worship simply means to show the respect due a person. In some cultures to bow is to just show respect. In others cultures and contexts it represents a kind of worship. "The verses I cited demonstrate the "veneration" that can be given to creatures." Yes, you are doing an excellent job of perpetuating your confusion. "It's your narrow view and definition of worship that leads to your conclusion" And it is your confusion and ignorant assumptions about others that leads to yours. For example, I have not provided a definition of "worship," yet you presume that it is "narrow." And my "conclusion" is little more than to quote directly Peter and the angel in Revelation, which is to not worship creatures, but to worship God alone. You are obviously free to choose to do otherwise. "if you take on a biblical view of the worship, and how the same word can have different implications depending on the context, you will see no issues." My view is biblical. I think what you really mean here is that if I adopt YOUR view and ignore the passages that clearly contradict with it, then I will "see no issues." You then diverted into Greek. First, none of the (OT) passages which you first cited were originally written in Greek. Indeed, we have none of the original manuscripts of any of these. Consequently, even if you are an expert in Greek -- which I doubt -- it is hardly relevant. Again, you are (obviously) free to interpret the Bible as you wish, ignore whichever passage you wish, etc. For my part, I will attempt to follow the teachings and examples of Christ, the apostles, angels, and the early Church, in which it was clearly forbidden to worship/venerate anything apart from God.
@MrOlu109
@MrOlu109 Ай бұрын
@@philoalethia You are extremely ignorant and arrogant, and unfortunately it's often the ignorant who are the loudest... Can you explain to me how me saying "these passages use the word "worship" in the original language", is different to you saying ""worship" [is] an English word which didn't exist at the time?" Did I say they wrote it in English, or that the word they used means "worship" in English? Looks like a desperate attempt to 1-up me, by saying the exact same thing I said lol. Very embarrassing on your part... And in your arrogance you completely missed the point of my quoting 1 Chron 29:20. However you wish to interpret "worship", whether it's bowing down, kneeling or prostrating etc. you can't get away from the fact that the Hebrew term is translated worship (in English in case that needs to be spelled out), and whatever physical action the people performed which constitued as "worship", it was done to BOTH God AND David the king. Actually try and contend with the argument instead of simply avoiding it, but it's clear you won't/can't and have already made your mind up. And clearly you're ignorant, because I quoted Revelation in my first response which was written in Greek, so suddenly the Greek is relevant. Funny how easy it is to dismiss something because you somehow don't think it applies (when it actually does)... If only you knew Revelation was written Greek... And you say that all of this is simply my interpretation of the Scriptures, and that's fair. But we're both in that predicament. You can claim your beliefs are in line with Christ, the apostles, the Scriptures, early Church and yet all of these must also go through the filter of your own interpretation. I have the first 1500 years of Church history to point to on this issue, where as you have heretics according to that Church in the first 1500 years, and heterodox positions of the last 500 years. It's not a good look for you. Anyways, there'll be no more responses on my end, as it's clear you aren't willing to listen and have already made your mind up. You go your way and I'll go mine. I pray the Lord leads us both into the fullness of the truth.
@2196logan
@2196logan Ай бұрын
I love everything about the Orthodox church. My only issue is they ignore Peter. I became Catholic because I believe Peter is the head of the church under Jesus Christ. He was not just one among all the others. Jesus separated him from the others and gave him alone the Keys. I wish Orthodox would come together with Catholics and be one again just as Jesus Christ wanted. The Catholic Church needs Orthodox and Orthodox needs the Catholic Church.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
The Orthodox Catholic Church tried a long time ago for true union but the RCC started persecuting the OCC, and created the Uniates (Eastern churches) so that ended as that ecclesial structure is unknown to the first millennium. Now things are too different for true union, on the RC side. We don't underplay St. Peter or, in the RCC's example, overplay him. His authority given by Christ by way of his confession of Christ, being the Rock, is in every Bishop. So we don't need a Papacy for that. Plus we have Christ Himself as Head of the Church. The Roman church, sadly, left the whole Church as it was one church of many in the Church, though with primacy of honor then, and so it will have to correct the things that went astray since the 11th century and become that one church again to join back with the whole (katholikos). That one church with primacy of honor was once a See of Orthodoxy (true Faith), first among equals until it wanted more power, and to teach something not taught before, and started to retrieve power then it began to falter until ultimately it was cast out starting officially in 1014 when it was struck from the Diptychs in Constantinople (second among equals) and then ultimately excommunicated later.
@atgred
@atgred Ай бұрын
@@LadyMariaWhat you say sounds credible but it is not true. Church History shows that the Bishop of Rome always had the last word in all seven ecumenical councils. Then in 1054, for geographical and political issues the separation began. Of course all orthodox churches have valid apostolic succession.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
@@atgred That isn't so about the councils. It was the heresy of the Roman church which separated it from the rest of the Church. That's just fact.
@HomoEucharistica
@HomoEucharistica Ай бұрын
Dr Jeannie Constantinou has presented the Orthodox take on this subject in her "Search the Scriptures" series (in Ancient Faith radio). Highly recommend to listen to it, even though those two episodes together last for 3 hours. When it comes to Peter, literally no one has denied his primacy among the Apostles, just like no one has denied the primacy of the patriarch of Rome. If the pope taught sound doctrine of the Apostles and if he minded the business of his own patriarchate and archdiocese, he would still be "primus inter pares". Supremacy and infallibility of the pope were never a part of the deal, and due to these and many other false teachings Rome was excommunicated from the unity of the Catholic Church.
@ramuelingibraltar802
@ramuelingibraltar802 Ай бұрын
The most important relics of Christianity belong to the Roman Catholic Church with some relics being divided in fragments between other Catholic rites. The holy cross, nails, crown of thorns, shroud of turin, veil of Veronica, La Santa Anello (wedding ring of Mary), the holy house of Loreto(house of Mary and Joseph). The Virgin Mary is the most obedient creature under Jesus so who was the holy Rosary given to and what side catholic was it on?....Roman Catholic. How about the many Eucharistic miracles in the Roman Catholic Church? What about the apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary: Our Lady of Guadalupe, Our Lady of Lourdes, Our Lady of Fatima, Our Lady of Kibeho, Our Lady of Akita, Our Lady of Las Lajas. Are these to be ignored or do you offer God and His most magnificent creation the Virgin Mary insult? I acknowledge Orthodoxy to have apostolic succession but why does it not own the holy cross, nails, crown of thorns, shroud of Turin, veil of veronica, wedding ring of Mary, holy house of Loreto. These facts and physical evidence are more compelling. Why didnt the Virgin Mary as Our Lady of Guadalupe convert the Mexicans to Orthodoxy? Why didnt the Virgin Mary as Our Lady of Fatima convert Portugal to Orthodoxy? Makes you think and go hmmmm right? Tread lightly and dont insult God and His holy mother.
@AnastasiaTheConvert
@AnastasiaTheConvert Ай бұрын
I came to Christ through the Roman Catholic church while visiting Colorado and stumbled upon a small chapel that has stations of the cross. I read the plaque on one station that read, “Before they hated you, they hated me.” I spontaneously started weeping with compassion for Christ. Soon thereafter, I started to hunger to discover the TRUE CHRIST JESUS, I wanted to learn all about Him by reading/researching not by someone telling me about Him. I found Him after lots if researching. Orthodoxy has brought me joy and Christ has removed my many proclivities towards the abominable lifestyle. All Glory to God, my Lord and Savior! Here, he never discounts miracles within the RC church, he is just explaining how working from the bottom up is more organic. I invite you to visit a local Orthodox Church, may you experience the richness of it.
@CA-by2br
@CA-by2br Ай бұрын
The very same apparitions that contradict each other and contridict apostolic tradition? Really?
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
You realize nearly all of those relics were stolen by the RCC from the Orthodox, right? That's evil from the RCC. So those relics are Orthodox. (We have pieces of the true Cross that Rome never could steal though.) The Rosary is just a string of beads. It was never given to anyone. And those apparitions, well I never believed in them even when involved with the RCC. They aren't binding on the Faithful either for some reason. That means they're not verified to be legit. We have a KZfaq channel about our miracles. They are many. However we don't boast nor put our faith into just signs, we put it on God Himself, the Head of our Church. "Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20:29
@nuns8126
@nuns8126 Ай бұрын
Follow the history of any of the Holy relics found in Catholic churches & you will find that they were stolen by crusaders from Orthodox churches in Constantinople & Jerusalem by force.
@johnsambo9379
@johnsambo9379 Ай бұрын
Which Orthodox Church? There are many different jurisdictions and breakaway Orthodox Churches.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
That's like asking which Papal church as there are 23 jurisdictions of it (not to mention the Latin Rite has jurisdictions of its own). There's 6 overlapping jurisdictions of the Papal institution in this small valley alone. And the RCC has the most breakaways in history. The Holy Orthodox Church is One under the Head, Christ Himself. Unlike the above we all carry the same doctrines, dogmas and overall Faith, plus Eucharistic Communion. Once a church leaves the Church, it loses its Apostolic Succession as that can only live in the Body of Christ. Rome used to be one of our churches, with primacy of honor, after all. So, there are no true Orthodox Catholic churches outside of the Holy Orthodox Catholic Church. Rome now believes that once a group leaves its institution that the Bishops carry Apostolic Succession still, that there's lines of succession. That's one of many false beliefs of the Papal institution.
@dman7668
@dman7668 Ай бұрын
@@LadyMaria The Orthodox that re joined the Catholic Church did so because the reality is that the Orthodoxy do accept the authority of the Pope and did. He wasn't merely some first among equals. He had and does have Primacy.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
@@dman7668 They didn't rejoin. They left the Church and joined an antichurch. The Uniates were devices used for oppression of the Orthodox. Primacy of honor before Rome's schism, never supremacy. Two different things RCs mix up.
@robertvann7349
@robertvann7349 Ай бұрын
You're not the true church? Lets check for false doctrine? Liar or non liar? Liars aren't saved, non liars are saved. Thief or non thief? A thief isn't saved a non thief is saved. Now, the most important words you will ever read Soldier or non soldier? Amish or Armies? You're a soldier that kills and aren't saved, non soldiers don't kill and are saved. You're supposed to be smart? False teacher.❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
@fritula6200
@fritula6200 Ай бұрын
ABUSE IN THE FAMILY: WHAT TO DO : LEAVE... LIVE IN PEACE: IT'S YR HUMAN AND SPIRITUAL RIGHT: IF YOUR CHILDREN WATCH THE ABUSE DAILY, THE CHILDREN ARE LEARNING: THEY ARE WATCHING THE FATHER BEING AN ABUSERS, YOUR CHILDREN WILL GROW UP AND BE ABUSERS, THEY WILL LEARN IT BY WATCHING THEIR FATHER, AND GROW UP HAVING COPIED HIM, JUST BY WATCHING : YOU MUM WILL BE RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE YOU DIDNT SHIELD THEM: YOU MUST LEAVE TO SAVE YOUR CHILDREN: IF YOU DON'T YOU WILL DESTROY YOUR CHILDREN'S LIFE:
@ronaldjove5094
@ronaldjove5094 Ай бұрын
Christianity is according to the promise of God, gal.3:29, acts 2:39. It's not by saying you are a Christian coz it so easy to say that. That promise of acts 2:39(those who are in far off place n time)is the fulfillment of the endtime prophet Elijah. His tribe is the only Christian today and he is the only annointed one to speak for christianity because it ended in 70AD and only now coming back on earth for the 2nd coming of Jesus.
@robertvann7349
@robertvann7349 Ай бұрын
False teacher. Explain how OMNISCIENT GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT doesn't know the day or hour only OMNISCIENT GOD THE FATHER knows the day or hour, not even OMNISCIENT GOD THE SON knows the day or hour. Your doctrine is stupid contradiction.
@Chrisoula17
@Chrisoula17 Ай бұрын
There are over 10,000 distinct religions in the world and yours just happens to be the correct one?
@JHGSP
@JHGSP Ай бұрын
Yes.
@mmaakkiinn
@mmaakkiinn Ай бұрын
Orthodoxy Christian faith is the only truth..Christ is the truth and our Lord ..there is only one God ,one creator one world ...not 10,000
@CA-by2br
@CA-by2br Ай бұрын
Atheist talking point detected
@thekatarnalchemist
@thekatarnalchemist Ай бұрын
There are over one hundred fifty elements on the periodic table, and only one is suitable for breathing? A claim being exclusive doesn't mean it's wrong.
@Chrisoula17
@Chrisoula17 Ай бұрын
@@thekatarnalchemist, this is a poor comparison. We are talking about religion not elements.
@Misa_Susaki
@Misa_Susaki Ай бұрын
I'm in the true church! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints!! ❤
@Spookyjordan
@Spookyjordan Ай бұрын
That is not the true church. That is not even a church. You’re not even Christian. You should learn about the history of this cult you’re in, it’s ever-changing doctrines and it’s absurd reinterpretations of the Bible. Your “church” was invented by some who appears to be a freemason and a known charlatan (divining sticks) in the 1800s. Honestly you should run for your life. There is no truth in mormonism. As nice as you guys are, you are not Christians and you are not a church. This is coming from a place of love. Learn church history. The only reason mormonism exists is because of protestantism and western enlightenment ideas, America was founded with so many wacky ideas that it created a thousand new cults and “sects”. Because it did not have the root. Joseph Smiths heart may have been in the right place, I don’t know, but if it was, then he was dealing with the confusions of the modern age with all of its atheism and relativism and puritanism and egalitarianism, a million masonic and zionistic ideas laying claim to the new land. Maybe he was just a victim of that age. Or maybe he knew exactly what he was doing and just wanted to have a bunch of teen wives and blaspheme God, idk. Learn Church history. Learn about the early Church fathers and the councils. Learn about who changed the creeds and how that lead to protestantism and atheism. Learn who kept the creeds and how that turned into a Church guided by truth and not bending to the world. Then you’ll see where the True Church is.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
That's an American corporation with an LLC. So it is disqualified. My husband left that organization and is now an Orthodox Christian. So many are leaving Mormonism for Holy Orthodoxy. May it be blessed for all who come home, and may you too see the true Light, embrace the true Faith, and come home to the ancient and only Ekklesia tou Christou. May God bless you. ☦︎
@kataiwannhn
@kataiwannhn Ай бұрын
@@Spookyjordan They've got their Saint Smith and you've got your Saint Paul. At least he didn't kill people.
@HelamansArmy
@HelamansArmy Ай бұрын
We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth. I've yet to find a Christian church other than The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which emulates the covenants made of old, including the Abrahamic covenant.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
@@HelamansArmy Well one can emulate whatever one likes according to one's ideas, it doesn't make it truth. The "primitive" Church (which was the Holy Orthodox Church) had Successors of the Apostles appointed by them called Episkopoi (Bishops). Bishops are elders and messengers which is what Apostle means. You have a lot to learn about this stuff. We have those gifted with prophecy in every age. It's never been an office. You can't force someone to have prophecies by putting them in an office. You can of course call someone that but it doesn't make it true. The Old Covenant made way for the new. It was a shadow of things to come in the New and Everlasting Covenant in Christ our God. That's why there were no more public prophets after St. John the Baptist. All the prophets were to pave the way for Christ God. He has come into the world now. The LDS organization is not Christian as it came from Protestantism and teaches heresies.
@rand5
@rand5 Ай бұрын
Jesus didn't come to establish a tradition or abolish a tradition. Jesus came to make God known john 17:3, matthew 11:27
@MrOlu109
@MrOlu109 Ай бұрын
Yet the Church He established and built, and continues to build, has traditions that she has been commanded to keep. And not all these traditions are written down, yet she must keep them: ‭2 Thessalonians 2:15 ESV‬ [15] So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the *traditions* that you were taught by us, either *by our spoken word or by our letter.*
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
Jesus is God, and He did start an Ekklesia, the Body of Christ where He is Head.
@konstantinoskalemkeridis730
@konstantinoskalemkeridis730 Ай бұрын
no priest were during the first apostolic church as far the Bishops are not married contrary to the WORD OF GOD
@JHGSP
@JHGSP Ай бұрын
No people got on stage in jeans and other un modest clothing throwing rock concerts.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
There were Presbyteroi. Practices can change and it was long ago decided all Bishops would come from monasticism. That is better for the Church.
@qqsxza
@qqsxza Ай бұрын
Actually what Jesus meant was the christian people, because we are the temple of God…
@VCLegos
@VCLegos Ай бұрын
“How to recognize the true church founded by Christ?” Easy answer: Jesus never founded a church.
@hexf3248
@hexf3248 Ай бұрын
This is the sad truth. The several dozen Christian denominations are a result of human politics and the desire of a select few to control what people think. As a result, we live in a word where priests park their land rovers in front of churches, and where people pursuit priesthood not to spread the faith, but to attain wealth and political power. Be careful who you trust in this demonic world. Stay safe brothers and sisters.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
Except He did, if you read Holy Scripture and studied history, and humans who thought they could do better split off starting with the Assyrians, Orientals, many heretical groups and then Rome. Only the Orthodox haven't split. The Protestants are all a split of a split of a split. Human ego and pride.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
​@@hexf3248That's Protestantism in a nutshell.
@VCLegos
@VCLegos Ай бұрын
@@LadyMaria He never founded a church. In fact, he called for the destruction of churches many times during His ministry.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
@@VCLegos No He didn't.. What are you reading? It isn't Holy Scripture. Acts of the Apostles is about the Church, fyi.
@windyday8598
@windyday8598 Ай бұрын
the ministry and presence of christ continues on beginning at pentecost, the giving of the promised holy spirit. those who receive the spirit of christ are the body of christ, the church of the living God, purchased by his own blood. your four strands are missing the key links, christ in you, and the giving of gifts of the spirit. those men you mentioned may have the spirit of christ, as did the apostles, but do not speak by the same authority, jesus warned about the doctrines of men. that is where you get all these denominations, which paul called sectarian, and divisive, and carnal, acting as mere men. appearances of deceased believers? icons? even satan masquerades as an angel of light. the bible refers to all believers as saints. everything we need is given us in the scriptures. stay on that narrow path, and "do not go beyond what is written." feed on the true bread.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
Orthodoxy existed before all these Western denominations. Your ideas are what have led to division, one's own flawed understanding of Holy Scripture.
@eddiedevereoxford4995
@eddiedevereoxford4995 Ай бұрын
Well, just look around you. Christ didn't surround himself with gold ornaments and trinkets, wear black robes, have a long beard like a muslim and spend all his time doing rituals in a sanctuary.
@JHGSP
@JHGSP Ай бұрын
Oh you you know what Christ looked like yourself? Please tell us.
@allenh.7373
@allenh.7373 Ай бұрын
Definitely, he would be waving his arms in the air singing corny songs to himself while guitars and drums fill the neon room with noise pollution. Then he'd listen to some sermon by the female priest, receive Hawaiian bread communion and then have some coffee and donuts later so he could have a feeling of community.
@eddiedevereoxford4995
@eddiedevereoxford4995 Ай бұрын
​@@JHGSP Your church is a joke
@justin-zk3cz
@justin-zk3cz Ай бұрын
When Jesus Christ (God, the Son) was incarnate on earth, He worshipped in the Temple filled with specially crafted objects where priests wore robes and performed rituals, all of which was decreed by God ( the Son) to Moses. Orthodoxy is the fulfillment and continuation of that worship.
@jaycee6438
@jaycee6438 Ай бұрын
Have you ever read in the old testament about Aaron the priest and his sons, the tabernacle, the ark of the covenant…..???? the designs of the robes , the ark and other items were all by instructions from God. The symbolism and items in the Orthodox Church represent things in heaven….. you can read about items in heaven according to The Revelation given to John.
@donhaddix3770
@donhaddix3770 Ай бұрын
the church is not a denomination,
@thekatarnalchemist
@thekatarnalchemist Ай бұрын
Thankfully the Orthodox Church isn't a denomination, but the original Church teaching what the Apostles gave it.
@airpodman1259
@airpodman1259 Ай бұрын
“denominations” didn’t exist until the 1500s. (You could argue the great schism as well, but regardless) Before Protestant individuals went against all of church history, it wasn’t even a concept. Except for heretical groups.
@SinfulServant2004
@SinfulServant2004 Ай бұрын
Phew, Orthodoxy is pre-denominational so I don’t have to worry about that.
@donhaddix3770
@donhaddix3770 Ай бұрын
@@SinfulServant2004 orthpox split from roman catholicism.
@donhaddix3770
@donhaddix3770 Ай бұрын
@@thekatarnalchemist it did not exist first century. it is a denomination.
@wms72
@wms72 Ай бұрын
On July 6, 1439, the Union of Eastern Orthodox to the Roman Catholic Church was signed by all Orthodox bishops at the Council of Florence but one, Mark of Ephesus. The Union was officially proclaimed by Isidore of Kiev in the Hagia Sophia on Dec. 12, 1452. On May 29, 1453, Constantinople fell to the Ottomans, who subsequently encouraged clerics who wished to divide European Christians. THEREFORE, the Orthodox split from the Catholics. Let the Orthodox implement the reunion the Holy Spirit guided the hierarchs to agree to.
@TBland-ir8kl
@TBland-ir8kl Ай бұрын
What???
@apmoy70
@apmoy70 Ай бұрын
Marcus contra mundum. Clothed with invincible armour, O blessed one, you cast down rebellious pride, you served as the instrument of the Comforter, and shone forth as the champion of Orthodox. Therefore we cry to you: "Rejoice, Mark, the boast of the Orthodox!"
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
That's bad reasoning.
@roccocarlino067
@roccocarlino067 Ай бұрын
Christ was never meant to be God, it was those who wrote the New Testament over-reached his status. Christ was a self described Prophet, however he didn’t have any control over what was written about himself and his ministry many years later.
@atgred
@atgred Ай бұрын
Really? Where is your evidence?
@roccocarlino067
@roccocarlino067 Ай бұрын
@@atgred God the Supreme Soul the Supreme Father is the Father of all souls. To claim a man to be God is the greatest sin. To monopolise God into a religion is also a great sin. God doesn't belong to any man-made religion.He is the Supreme Soul The "Holy Trinity" is a blatant scripture theft taken from Indian scriptures - The Trimurti - the three Acts of God, Creation through Brahma, Sustenance through Vishnu, Destruction through Shankar. This predates Christianity by hundreds of years. The New Testament is mostly fantasy with only pinch of truth. The greatest crime of Christianity was the systematic removal of the teachings in REINCARNATION by Pope Vigilius on the orders of emperor Justinian approximately year 555. This alone rendered Christianity null & void.
@rccola0318
@rccola0318 Ай бұрын
​@@roccocarlino067LOL
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
​​​@@roccocarlino067You don't understand the Holy Trinity if you think that. This comes from the Second Temple era and before, the 2 Powers of God Unseen and Seen and the Spirit of God. No Indian or whatever stuff (it isn't even remotely similar). Reincarnation makes no sense in the ancient Judean through Orthodox Christian Faith. It's absurd too. That's why it was never an orthodox belief, only heterodox, and then anathematized.
@stan3070
@stan3070 Ай бұрын
Christ didnt have a church. The word is the church. Christ was against organized religion and for good reasons.
@chanano1689
@chanano1689 Ай бұрын
The word is Christ
@stan3070
@stan3070 Ай бұрын
@@chanano1689 exactly
@Misa_Susaki
@Misa_Susaki Ай бұрын
He was against organized religion..? What about, "on this rock I establish my church"? What verses say he was against organized religion?
@stan3070
@stan3070 Ай бұрын
@@Misa_Susaki that verse is about having a personal relationship with christ. The whole point of yeshua is there is no more temples no more sacrifices and no need for human intermediaries between you and the creator. Because the ultimate sacrifice was made and he is the only intermediary we need.
@Misa_Susaki
@Misa_Susaki Ай бұрын
@@stan3070 I'm not trying to argue with you, but that is 100% your own interpretation of the Bible.
@parker9163
@parker9163 Ай бұрын
The true church is the Body of Christ, it’s not a physical place or denomination. Anyone who is a true believer and has been reborn is part of the body and thus church of Christ (or Body). Christ condemned religion with the Pharisees, that is not what he wants, he wants a relationship with you and through that relationship you will naturally obey his commandments and do his will on earth.
@parker9163
@parker9163 Ай бұрын
Anything pressuring people to follow that is not mentioned by Jesus to obey IS religion and thus binding people to something not required of them. They are being condemned by Man which is obviously not what Christ wants, we have freedom in Christ.
@jasonbryan3135
@jasonbryan3135 Ай бұрын
How did you come to this conclusion?
@elijahwalker7
@elijahwalker7 Ай бұрын
This is not what the Bible teaches nor what the early church believed. 1 Timothy 3:15 says, “if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.” Jesus in John 14:6 calls Himself the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” If different denominations believe different things, and the church is supposed to teach the truth, how can both be Christ’s Church? It doesn’t make sense. Some people say that all Christian denominations believe in the “essentials.” How do we know what the essentials are? Jesus built one church and established its teachings through the apostles and saints throughout the ages. That church is the Holy Orthodox Church, the only church that has perfect continuity since the Church’s foundation. I am praying for you.
@matheusmotta1750
@matheusmotta1750 Ай бұрын
How do you know who is a "true believer and has been reborn" and how to have a relationship with Christ? Is that any kind of relationship? Without the Church's understanding of the words of Christ, one cannot discern that.
@jstrugglin4404
@jstrugglin4404 Ай бұрын
I recommend you read St Ignatius, disciple of St John and his explanation of what the church taught and believes.Spoiler alert: It wasn't your invisible church theory
@heroisdomar4248
@heroisdomar4248 Ай бұрын
Follow Jesus, not the church
@MrTonemaster
@MrTonemaster Ай бұрын
Follow Jesus, in His Church
@jaycee6438
@jaycee6438 Ай бұрын
Who do you think established the church???? Please read the first 5 books of the bible…. then watch some videos about the history of the Church…. do your soul and life that favor.
@acekoala457
@acekoala457 Ай бұрын
The Body of Christ is the Orthodox Church.
@nikkarel515
@nikkarel515 Ай бұрын
Jesus is the Church!!
@memtesin5918
@memtesin5918 Ай бұрын
Call no one teacher (Matthew 23:8). The Leaders of this people err, and those who are led of them are destroyed (Isaiah 9:16). I pray Jesus keeps his promise and takes away the corrupt lamp stands, the Churches (Revelation 2:5)...All Church pastors, priests, KZfaqrs, Authors, and Evangelists who know the Truth yet lie. You have abandoned the Young Flock, who do not know yet the Word, who sought out guidance and fellowship, but you lead them to the slaughter. Woe to you, because the Fire to come is reserved for the False Teachers, who caused billions of people to suffer and die. Unless they Repent Now, Billions more will suffer and die because of them.
@thekatarnalchemist
@thekatarnalchemist Ай бұрын
And by whose authority do you make such a proclamation?
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
This comment of yours belongs in a Protestant forum.
@tomlorenz4344
@tomlorenz4344 Ай бұрын
Jesus didn’t found a church, he was a lifelong Jew
@deitrichhenderson2078
@deitrichhenderson2078 26 күн бұрын
😅 ok bud
@WadeWeigle
@WadeWeigle Ай бұрын
The whole veneration of saints is unbiblical. We are told to not commune with the dead. And we are told to not worship graven images. You cats in the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholics need to stop that practice. The Lord Jesus is our mediator and the only one we can pray to as he has been raised thusly making him alive.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
Graven images are worshiped, we don't do that. Those who are in Christ in the hereafter are alive in Him, communion of the Saints. If one says they are dead in Christ, that is blasphemy. In Revelation there's the bowl of incense of the prayers of the Faithful offered up to Christ God, that's prayer intercession. The problem is that you venerate God, but do not worship. Worship is liturgical. Always has been, always will be, even in the hereafter. It is where heaven meets earth. Christ is sole Mediator because He is both God and man in His one divine Person. That's His Mediation, bringing the natures of God and man together in Himself. Prayer is not worship, it is petition. If you ask anyone to pray for you, you prayed (petitioned) them to pray for you. One misses a lot when one relies only on his fallen intellect to understand things of the spirit and that is why Protestants say like you do, sadly, and disagree with one another on Holy Scripture.
@DrJeffreyMSeder
@DrJeffreyMSeder Ай бұрын
Paul is a False Apostle! Goto Jesus' Words Only and Raj Sahu channels. Jesus said no one on Earth would see him again until His second comming. So Paul is a liar and so is Joseph Smith of LDS.
@MrOlu109
@MrOlu109 Ай бұрын
Think Peter had people like you in mind when he wrote this... ‭2 Peter 3:15-16 ESV‬ [15] And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, [16] as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
@LadyMaria
@LadyMaria Ай бұрын
No correlation between the two. St. Paul was one of the Apostles, taken in by the Synod of Apostles after being thoroughly vetted, by the grace of God. So if you say Jesus would let them be duped even to the end of their lives, and the Church Christ created is false, having taken in the Apostle Paul, then Christ's words that the gates of Hades would not prevail upon the Church are false. So then nothing in the Gospel accounts would even matter. House of cards demolished. Joseph Smith was born in the 19th century and never met any of the Apostles.
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