how to RECORD BETTER AUDIO - (for musicians doing video at LIVE shows)

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how to RECORD BETTER AUDIO - (for musicians doing video at LIVE shows)

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How to record better audio is the topic of this Thursday's Tech Tip! The gear I recommend in this vid is: Rode iPhone Mic (super handy): amzn.to/2tfYoI2 . Zoom H4n Pro: amzn.to/2IacKhu
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I see a lot of musicians (mostly - and mostly ones who are doing their own audio and video), simply set up a camera in a spot that looks good, and then HOPE that they record ok audio. Well... if you want to record better audio - you can use both the the video's audio or your camera audio PLUS you want to set up another phone/mic/zoom type unit to record the BEST AUDIO that you can get. The cleanest signal, the best sound. Do what you need to do to get both! ....and THEN, you will get much better audio and sound results for your videos.
I always figure - do as much as you can to make yourself sound as best as you can!
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@BDanielsOfficial 5 жыл бұрын

This was exactly what I was looking for. A sound test of both the mics and line-in with live music. Simple concept, but nobody has done it. They're all either videos of them speaking only, or live music without going line-in. Great job explaining and testing everything!

@davidshanhun 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate! Glad it was what you were after :)

@AndrewHealeysingerguitarist 3 жыл бұрын

Highly informative video, David. Thanks--I'm one step closer to solving the puzzle of getting a decent sound for live videos.

@davidshanhun 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrew! Let me know how you go!

@daviddeori4402 5 жыл бұрын

You are a gem bro! Thanks so much for all the information.... exactly what I was looking for.

@davidshanhun 5 жыл бұрын

Most welcome - I really hope it helps you!

@rayavenue Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this information.. I was wondering how your videos always have high quality audio and also a little bit of the ambience noise.. thank you so much for sharing. Your fan from 'English man in new York'

@davidshanhun 9 ай бұрын

Thanks! and most welcome for the info!

@chrisoglevoiceover 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent info! Thanks!

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chris :)

@jeremiasmuanda7312 2 жыл бұрын

This what i was looking, thank só much for sharing your knowlodge

@davidshanhun 9 ай бұрын

most welcome!

@leonloic744 5 ай бұрын

Thanks.Great tips!

@davidshanhun 4 ай бұрын

most welcome!

@scottschmittmusic Жыл бұрын

Thanks man!

@davidshanhun Жыл бұрын

cheers Scott!

@jjxlvii 4 жыл бұрын

amazing comparison...exactly the solution i was looking for...BTW love the song selection :)

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks JJ - glad it was useful for you!! 😊

@jarrahparry 2 жыл бұрын

Great stuff, that sounds really good. Thanks.

@davidshanhun 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers! Happy recording!

@smallybigs7012 10 ай бұрын

This is a great explanation however your board will be mixing sound for the live venue and on playback will typically sound terrible

@davidshanhun 10 ай бұрын

Of course 👌 i feel like that’s another video entirely when people wonder why the vocals seem way too loud in the desk mix compared to guitars running through amps + DI and mic’ed drums seem way too soft yet they sounded good on the night haha.

@timothycasey4990 2 жыл бұрын

Hey David, sorry it took me so long to find you on KZfaq. I’ve been looking for a good way to do audio at a concert and I think you have nailed it! I will give it a try soon. Thank you so much for sharing! Wishing you all the best.

@davidshanhun Жыл бұрын

ah cheers! How did you go with it?

@timothycasey4990 Жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun was not able to get a zoom H4n for the event but I will have many more opportunities to do this. Thanks

@dannyhoang3192 2 жыл бұрын

That is very helpfull, bro. That is exactly what I want to know. 👍🙏

@davidshanhun 2 жыл бұрын

awesome Danny! Happy recording!

@johnmaoriroyalmusic3797 Жыл бұрын

So to record a live performance with crowd and room noise, I believe you use multi-track recording more for live performances and then find a good balance between the clean feed coming from the mixer and a little room / crowd noise for live show feeling and sound?

@davidshanhun 9 ай бұрын

exactly this!

@handyboen Жыл бұрын

Thank you David 🙏🏻🙏🏻

@davidshanhun 9 ай бұрын

most welcome!

@DirtyJobsGuy1 4 жыл бұрын

Boy, really a great video! Lots of great tips! I was on the fence about buying one, I am a drummer/singer playing with a 4pc band. Looking for something I can record our rehearsals as well as a few gogs

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael. Let me know if you have any questions about it - I'm super happy I got it ay!

@tvdylan 8 ай бұрын

oooh !!! nice !!! : ) so i can record a stereo track of the output form the desk !! this is reallly great to discover , thanks !!

@davidshanhun 7 ай бұрын

yep!

@jacksoncork6399 9 ай бұрын

Hey Dave! Awesome video just wondering a few things. Do you always record in mono from your headphone output on your mixer into only one of the direct inputs of the zoom h4n pro. Would this be a xlr or 1/4inch and does this have any impact on the sound. I'm guessing you have the multitrack recrding feature on the zoom to record the two built in condenser mics and direct input from the mixer. So are you recording 3 or 4 tracks at the same time, using only one or both the direct inputs on the zoom. And when you're wanting to record when a sounds guy is mixing your sound, do you just ask them nicely for the headphone output and plug it in or would they provide the foh mix or something? Also wondering if you change the position of the mics from the zoom depending on if youre playing inside in a room or outside. Or if you change the setup slightly. Do you have the mics positioned at the 90 degree spread on the zoom since you can change it. My mixer is the allen and heath zed 60 14fx so im guessing i would just plug a 1/4inch cable straight from the headphone output into the zoom recorder not sure if I would use a spliiter cable to split it and use both inputs to provide the stereo sound if that works. Cheers Jackson

@PEskits419 2 жыл бұрын

Very good

@davidshanhun 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks 😊

@deancooper2440 3 жыл бұрын

This is a great video and a great performance. I have a question? How is the zoom recording your live mic? Could you give me further detail on how you recorded this while the mic is live and what equipment you used? I’m trying to record live music but not sure what equipment I need. All I know is I want a end result like yours 😂👍🏻.

@davidshanhun 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Dean! My mic and guitar are going into the little mixing desk I'm using for this gig. I'm sending the headphones or monitor output of that desk into the Zoom unit. (The master output from that desk is going to the FOH). Then I'm using the two condensor mic's on the Zoom unit to capture the room audio. It's a really effective yet simple combo. Feel free to reach out with any other questions etc!

@deancooper2440 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun Thanks for getting back to me! I subscribed to your channel it’s great. Great Music 👍🏻. I was also wondering what microphone you are using for most of your live gigs? Also in regards to your Zoom mixer are you just mixing with the onboard effects, eq, comp, reverb etc? Or are you adding other plugins in post? (E.g Waves, uad, slate etc)

@davidshanhun 3 жыл бұрын

@@deancooper2440 Thanks Dean! Mic is a Sennheiser E845, and with regard to the Zoom mixer it depends - if it's live it's usually from the Zoom mixer (reverb only, there is no compression on the l8), and I will typically tweak EQ and add some compression to make all the levels nice in post. Most other effects are from the Voicelive 3 pedal if it's a guitar tone or effect. I mostly use the soundtoys plug ins if I'm editing in post and adding a reverb or something in there.

@FarzadDiba Жыл бұрын

super helpful. thank you.

@davidshanhun Жыл бұрын

ah awesome! Happy recording!

@StuartJrBarrett Жыл бұрын

Great tips David! Any suggestions for recording live loud instruments such as drums?

@davidshanhun Жыл бұрын

cheers Stuart. What is your current setup. Are you just recording drums solo, or as part of a band etc. Are they mic'ed up already or not. Flick me some more info and we can chat!

@StuartJrBarrett Жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun Thanks David! Recording in a band (Church). The drums are mic’d. Wondering if there is a way that I can take the audio from the in ear mix into my zoom recorder and line up later with video.

@PrettyVegas 5 жыл бұрын

Going down the Zoom H4N Pro route ourselves. The audio from the iPhone XS Max does give a fairly passable recording, but the GoPro's have been very disappointing with their stock mics, and given where they positioned they aren't really contenders for using with externals. Very helpful video anyway, think we have made the right decision for external recorder.

@davidshanhun 5 жыл бұрын

nice! There's a lot of versatility using the H4n, I think you'll dig it, the condenser mic pair is excellent, plus the option to add in two other inputs is super handy for mobile recording. Look forward to hearing the next recordings once you've got it!

@PrettyVegas 5 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun I am definitely going to try and go down the route of using the stereo pair for ambience and desk recording from the Aux out on the desk. We did a wedding on Friday and I used the Rode VideoMic Pro on my 70D, but as it was at a low height and the dancefloor was rammed so a little variable to say the least. One thing with the Zoom is the placement for best effect when recording a fairly loud band. I think that is probably going to take a few attempts to get right!

@davidshanhun 5 жыл бұрын

@@PrettyVegas yeah it works really well. I've recorded a couple of bands this way, and sat the H4n on a mini tripod by the desk actually behind the band, just keeping the gain on the mics pretty low so I didn't peak anything. it's essentially a terrible spot for a live mic, but has actually worked really well once mixed with the raw desk audio and a little EQ'ing! be interested to hear what you come up with though!

@PrettyVegas 5 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun Will give that placement a try then. We don't use amps as such, its basically the Line 6 xtLive and a Helix straight into the desk and then backing tracks done in my home studio. Whilst we have a monitor for clicks and a bit of vocals, we don't tend to get a clear sound on stage (we mix at the beginning with me using the G75 wireless), so not sure if that will help or hinder to be honest! To be honest, whatever the placement it is going to be an improvement on the GoPro internals. On the version of Nothing Breaks Like A Heart, the initial 30 seconds is just the GoPro audio before my girlfriend started recording on my iPhone, and because of this I swap the audio over and it is night and day (to my ears anyway), so hopefully the Zoom will be better again. From what I have read the unit is good at automatically detecting levels and adjusting accordingly. Would you suggest this is the way to go?

@davidshanhun 5 жыл бұрын

classic - just heard the Nothing Breaks Like a Heart video with the audio switch! Good you had the second option eh? I haven't really used the Zoom this way - but I think it is pretty good at that as you say. I tend to set levels fixed so I know what I'm getting, but have had one or two that I've just killed because of audience plus main mix levels rising massively haha! Something for me to think about using as well perhaps ay.

@joshgreenmusic805 3 жыл бұрын

From other videos people say that sticking the direct audio straight into the H4n gives too much distortion, how did you get it to give a good signal? cheers. Im wanting to record my guitar and vocals through the pa plus the room noise all from a h4n is this possible? Thanks!

@davidshanhun 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Josh. You personally set the level going into the H4n on the unit, so distortion going in is sadly a user error or lack of understanding on the product. What you described is exactly what i would use the H4n for. A line out of your main mix into the H4n, and the H4n also recording the room using it’s stereo condensor mics. This video was recorded in exactly this way - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qKqaa851v6jOlJc.html

@joshgreenmusic805 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun that sounds perfect, exactly what I want. I think the people getting distortion issues were using xlr straight from the mixers maybe?! The quality is unbelievable, sounds as good at my home recordings!

@davidshanhun 3 жыл бұрын

@@joshgreenmusic805 could be they were using a powered desk and sending signal from the main out rather than using a line level send. What desk are you running?

@joshgreenmusic805 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun it's more for in general using the house pa system. Any chance of a video of a song just with the recorders mics recording both the vocal and guitar? Cheers mate and good luck with the channel!

@davidshanhun 3 жыл бұрын

@@joshgreenmusic805 Hey Josh - have done various tunes with just the H4n stereo mics picking up the audio when I was travelling. Here's one as a general example from a few years back - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ibh-Y85337ebhIU.html

@theotherone6389 Жыл бұрын

Hi David can we have a visual example of the set up pls

@davidshanhun Жыл бұрын

thanks for the request - it's unlikely i'll do a video on this at the moment sorry but I have made a note. All that is setup is a lead coming from your mixer into the h4n so that it can record the audio from your desk.

@wallacenock7423 6 жыл бұрын

Great video mate. Really has answered a load of questions for me. I am so desperate to get my work out there on You Tube. Thank you 👍🏻👍🏻🎼

@davidshanhun 6 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I'm glad! A few little ideas on how things are filmed/recorded/created! Recording better audio definitely makes such a difference to the quality of your videos ay!

@astraldarkness5026 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks this video helped me. I'm buying the Zoom H4n Pro. I'm planning to do a small band documentary on the go, with interviews and also I want to film live shows. Pretty much independent artists and not massive venues. I wasn't sure which one to get. So in the end, I'm getting this one. Thanks!

@davidshanhun 5 жыл бұрын

yay! I'm really glad this helped! Sounds perfect for what you're doing. I have a lav mic as well that is super handy for the interview side of things (depending on where you are). Plugs into the Zoom and means the audio is coming from a mic clipped on to the persons clothing. Handy if it's an interview in a noisy-ish place with only one person you really want the audio from. You can still have the zoom unit's mic's live as well :) Send me a link if there's anything publicly online from the band documentary stuff - would be really interested to see it!

@Utoober-yp7mf 2 жыл бұрын

Direct audio means you connect an xlr cable from zoom to the amp?

@davidshanhun 2 жыл бұрын

essentially yes - connect a cable direct from either your desk or your amp into the Zoom and record.

@ShawnMichaelLord 2 жыл бұрын

Please help me. I have an H4NPRO I have a laptop. How did you record with the H4 and the camera in sync with 4 channel?

@davidshanhun 2 жыл бұрын

heya - I match/sync them all up afterwards in final cut pro. You'll want some form of video editing software to do this. it's a little bit more work, but obviously you get a much better sound.

@kofiannan8183 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much man! this was a lot of help. Are the condenser mics on the Zoom recorder enough to give me clean sound if I'm not performing live? i mean. If I'm not connecting to a PA system and all?

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Kofi - absolutely, they are excellent! Here's a couple of links that are recorded just from the condensor mics on the H4n pro just so you have an idea - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ibh-Y85337ebhIU.html & kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eNuYpclenb-4m40.html. The second one - each part was recorded with the condensor mics right by where the camera is, and then just all mixed together afterwards 😊

@theotherone6389 Жыл бұрын

Can you pls do a video showing the connections

@davidshanhun Жыл бұрын

You can use either a jack or an xlr to connect to the H4n pro - both work on this unit.

@jamesb8193 Жыл бұрын

David, so do you run a direct line out from the mixer for a clean sound and leave it with the engineer if you need to be filming?

@davidshanhun Жыл бұрын

hey James, yep I run a line out and just leave it recording.

@jamesb8193 Жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun Hey Thanks Brutha.. 👍

@jamesb8193 Жыл бұрын

I know this may sound crazy but is there a work around to go line out wirelessly? Are we there yet with that sort of tech to keep the unit on our belts or wrist and receive a line out signal wirelessly for recording that clean sound?

@davidshanhun Жыл бұрын

@@jamesb8193 it's possible but you'll always lose quality, and without spending a lot you'll lose a lot of quality haha. Any particular reason to keep it on you?

@Claudster1131 4 жыл бұрын

Hi David, I’m looking for an external mic I can add to an iPhone to capture sound while attending a concert at one of our events (www.sidedooraccess.com)... well at least once we get back to irl shows. Which do you think would work better - the Shure MV88 or the Rode mic you showed in your video? I’m trying to capture the best sound I can get without sacrificing mobility - the purpose is to provide an asset back to the musician while maintaining the feel of the small room gig so ideally looking to avoid having something more intrusive like a gimbal setup. (If you know if other gear that might work better, I’m open to that too)

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

Hi - I'd suggest the MV88 over the rode mic that I mention in this video. There's also the Zoom iQ7 that might be a nice/similar option - amzn.to/2Z6R5Dk - both have an app with a few options to adjust things etc although the MV88 has a dedicated video app which is probably the most useful. One thing to consider is that if you do ever want to use a gimbal with your phone for filming - additional mic's like these will throw off your phone/gimbal balance in most cases beyond what the gimbal can account for. I know you said you aren't using one at the mo etc but just in case. Alternatively - and depending on how much you want to increase your workload - you could use something like a Zoom H1 as a room mic (then you can place it wherever you wish for the best audio rather than just where you're filming from), but this means you'd then have the process of editing each video and syncing the audio etc. The simplest and best option to just make it happen (whilst still getting improved audio compared with just your phones audio) would be the MV88 or iQ7. long reply but hope that helps you!

@elginbouynicdao Ай бұрын

Im going to a concert next month to watch a band.. will my lavalier mic work perfectly to record their music? Will my distance from them affects the sound quality?

@davidshanhun Ай бұрын

Heya. Typically this won’t get great results but can work of course, and recording audio with a mic in the audience will usually have quite a bit of general noise. Are you able to record from the bands mixing desk or is this a concert from somebody you don’t know? Best thing is to take it and try so you can see what you get, and then adjust from there. If you can use EQ well after the gig you can often get quite a reasonable mix though! Hope that helps!

@BlackIjs 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! This is EXACTLY what I was looking for! I have been using a Zoom H5 with XY attachment, and thought it was pretty good but never 'pro.' Have not really tried hooking into the soundboard. I need to mix them together. And combining that with a mic near the speaker.... I can't wait to try it. Just need to get a mic. What kind do you recommend near the speaker (for a full-size 5 person band)? Should it be large diaphragm? Small? Omni-multi directional or does it matter?

@davidshanhun 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I use the XY paired mic from the Zoom, and then you can still plug in sound from the desk via the xlr or jack inputs on the Zoom. The Zoom H5 will do everything you need already! I find it's best to put the mic a little further away from any one speaker - you're going for a bit of room/environment for this audio, and even when that audio on it's own can sound pretty awful, mixed with the output from the desk you get a pretty nice outcome most of the time! :)

@ekaterinalattik-kaykhanidi134 Жыл бұрын

David, thank you, but question: does audio recorder automatically mixes 2 different streams ( room sound stream and “clear singer sound” stream) and you get ready final audio file ? As I understood you connected additional microphone to recorder. Was that Stereo mode or 4channel mode ?!…

@davidshanhun 9 ай бұрын

heya! sorry I missed this! Yes - you end up with 2 separate audio files - room sound is one, and direct sound from the desk etc is file #2. Then you mix them as suits in editing afterwards. on the H4n that is 4 channel mode.

@jessie9192 4 жыл бұрын

Great vid - is there a way to be on your GarageBand app ( mic) and use the cool effects on a live session ? If so how do I put this together to live streaming? Thank you

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

hey man replied via your other comment- try this for info - epsilon144.com/?req=misc&page=a8

@dovane9932 5 жыл бұрын

Hi, Is it possible to know how do you mix the two zoom h4 audio files to keep just a little bit of the audience in the final audio? Once again, you sound fantastic on that « walkin in Memphis».👍🎸🎶

@davidshanhun 5 жыл бұрын

Hey sorry slow reply! I use Final Cut for a lot of that which is a mac program for video editing. Do you have some form of video editing program? then perhaps I can explain to you :) Thanks so much for the comment on Walking in Memphis - I dig that tune ay!

@dovane9932 5 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun That is very kind of you, but i use linux free software «openshot» and «ardour 3» . It takes a lot of time to make a video because learning music take all my attention for the moment. Best.

@JohnathanNoechelShunn 4 жыл бұрын

One of my early shows I tapped my h1 to the wall near them and it fell and broke some of the plastic. That's why newbies should start with the cheapest option.

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

oh darn! I did that for a show with a piece of lighting and it fell and broke! I think the key here is not to tape things to walls rather than what the gear itself is though 😝

@gLustig60 4 жыл бұрын

Hey David, thanks for the tips. If you're recording something that is longer than 5 minutes, say 60 minutes, does your audio start drifting out of sync with the video the longer it plays? and if so, what do you do about that?

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Gordon - no this doesn't happen for me now, but it has to do with the sample rates being different, and I have dealt with it before. Super frustrating but can be sorted. Most video will be at 48k audio, and I'm guessing your audio is at 44.1k. What are you editing in out of curiosity?

@xennialmusic Жыл бұрын

I have had this same dilemma in the past recording shows for my band. I recorded direct audio out of my Yamaha MG10XU mixer for a 3-hour show and recorded video of the same performance with an iPod Touch that was mounted in a different location to capture the band. I tried mixing the sounds of both recordings together in iMovie and it got so out of whack I had to abandon the project. I ended up just posting the video of the performance with the audio from the iPod Touch since I wanted to capture the sounds of the audience in it. I found the direct audio in was too bland sounding without the live ambience sounds. What can I do about that? I have no idea how to check the sample rate as you suggest David, so if you know how to do that I would love to figure it out! Thanks! :)

@octavioaguayo8230 2 жыл бұрын

Hey! Quick question, when you record both the direct audio as well as the live audio, does it create two different audio files or one audio file where each part can be tweaked?

@davidshanhun 2 жыл бұрын

heya! Two separate audio files when recording live and direct with the H4n. Edit them as suits in post.

@nicoperez4883 5 жыл бұрын

Best way to ask if you can get the signal from the soundboard? I’m going into my live recordings assuming I don’t have permission. Only thing is live concerts in stereo just sound really quiet when playing back through mobile phone speakers. Considering if mono / midside capsules would allow me to bump up the audio levels

@davidshanhun 5 жыл бұрын

absolutely - if you can get an output from the desk you're already ahead of most recordings haha! I would suggest adding a bit of light compression, and then boosting the output level from the compressor up to standard levels if the output you're getting is too low. Do you usually edit the audio you're recording before playing it back through a phone or no? just curious! :)

@nicoperez4883 5 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun Yes I edit in post and playback on my phone to review if that's what you mean?

@davidshanhun 5 жыл бұрын

yes :)

@DanielESeo 4 жыл бұрын

Hey David! Thank you so much for the review. Do you have a tutorial on how to connect the wires of the amp to the zoom H4N? I did a live video at church (cover), but sounded like the sample you put on which is not recommended. We do have an amp, mic, and the instruments that go into the amp.

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Daniel, I would simply connect one output from the amp into the H4n, so that you get the exact same sound that the amp is creating, straight into one of the inputs on the H4n. then I would also record the stereo mics at the same time on the H4n and mix them together. Remember though, that you will only get the exact same sound as the amp is making into the H4n, so if you have a really bad sound in the amp, this will get transferred to the H4n also - so just do your best to have everything sound as good as you can live as well :) Feel free to reach out if you have other questions etc :)

@DanielESeo 4 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun Thank you so much! You are awesome!

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

@@DanielESeo 😊

@J.A.Seyforth 4 жыл бұрын

Hey David, how would you integrate a live zoom H4n recording with live independent video from a phone, ideally for android and iphone? what's the easiest and cheapest way in your experience without excessive equipment?

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

Hey James! For what I do I use final cut pro - would air drop my video from phone to a mac and edit from there. Buuuut if you want to do EVERYTHING from your phone, I'd suggest Adobe Rush (can film from in there), and I would use the headphone output of the H4n Pro straight into your phone - then the footage and audio is already synced and you'll have a great sound and video ready to go. I suspect you'll need a trrs cable into your phone, and possibly an adapter from trs to trrs on the zoom end. Hope that's useful for you or at least some ideas to play with!

@J.A.Seyforth 4 жыл бұрын

Hey David, that sounds fairly simple and easy to do. I will have a go at that and see what the results are like. I'm thinking of three inputs for the zoom, the on board mics for room mics, one mix board master line in and one microphone straight to the PA speaker for the live speaker sound and then mixing it crudely in real time on the zoom in 4CH mode. I think it could be quite a sweet live sound for a band live stream. Thanks so much!

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

@@J.A.Seyforth yeah that could work really well - just a case of setting the input levels on the Zoom to get your best mix. Personally I'd have the room mic not right at the speaker if you've got a line from the mixer - aiming to pick up room ambience rather than another similar line out sound. (that's just my pref though and have it sit lowish in the mix). I'm sure with a bit of experimentation you'll find a really good combo that works for you!

@IkarisThreads 5 жыл бұрын

So do I have to be using a mixer to record to the direct audio? Right now, I plug my guitar (via pedalboard) and microphone (from a TC Vocal processor) directly into My Bose S1 Pro.

@davidshanhun 5 жыл бұрын

You can record using the ‘line out’ on the s1 pro 👌 - it will give you the same mix as what you have going into both channels👍 do you use a zoom recorder or similar already to record?

@lockdownlooping9402 3 жыл бұрын

nice video mate

@davidshanhun 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@tcwildcat1220 3 жыл бұрын

This is very interesting looking to have a better band mix so would we plug a soundboard straight into the recording device or how would we mix it with a band ?

@davidshanhun 3 жыл бұрын

I would record your main output direct from the desk (full band mix), and then if possible have something capturing room audio. The downside is that whatever your mix on the desk is, will be what you record - but this will usually help you get a better band mix in the process! The other option will be to look at things like the Zoom LiveTrak series that records each individual channel as well as being your live sound desk. (Doesn't have to be zoom, there's plenty of similar options now available - I'm using the L-8, but probably don't need as many channels as you might).

@tcwildcat1220 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun I think I know what you mean so when we record a live set even if it's just for a video do we need to always have it running through a computer? Or can it be recorded without having a computer? Here is our quality right now kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hpmoY5em16-7XZc.html

@davidshanhun 3 жыл бұрын

@@tcwildcat1220 I use the Zoom H4n as per this video - records the desk output onto an SD card which means I can edit the audio afterwards and match it with the video. Adjusting levels and adding a bit of compression/EQ if required etc can make a big difference. It's all a lot more work of course, but I typically do it all in final cut x. Add in the video file, add in the audio, sync them up, and then add any plug ins/compression etc as you wish to the audio. Balancing the amount of work required with still getting a pretty good outcome. 😊

@tcwildcat1220 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun awesome this is super helpful! I appreciate the replies!

@davidshanhun 3 жыл бұрын

@@tcwildcat1220 most welcome. Love to see the next vid when you try out a few things (and thanks for the last one!) 😊

@stephaniehigginsgarrett5998 3 жыл бұрын

Hey David, would this be a smarter solution than an audio interface for recording at home with a mixer, and also recording live? Does it work well with garage band?

@davidshanhun 3 жыл бұрын

depends what you are wanting to record! What are you hoping to plug into it, or record and record with currently - eg what mics do you have, are you recording one track at a time, or guitar and vocals together. Not really possible to give you a good answer without knowing what you're doing!

@stephaniehigginsgarrett5998 3 жыл бұрын

Hey David, thanks for getting back to me. I would be recording vocals on a condenser mic, keyboards and possibly guitar.

@davidshanhun 3 жыл бұрын

@@stephaniehigginsgarrett5998 nice. Maybe check out the Zoom L-8 or L12 mixers - I did a few videos on them and have one myself. It functions as an audio interface to link with the computer, and can also record each individual channel whilst being your live gig mixer. Pretty handy! - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bMyniahllsqrdn0.html to give you a bit of an idea!

@tubleejthoj6595 4 жыл бұрын

hi David, how do I set up for live recording for song cover with the zoom h4? please give me tips. Thank you for your video

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

What exactly did you want to know?

@tubleejthoj6595 4 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun thanks for reply. here is what I want to do but not sure. I want to record exactly the audio and voice i hear from my speaker when I do a song cover. I have a mixer of 16 channel. how do I go from there to get that quality sound.

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

@@tubleejthoj6595 I would record a direct output from the desk into the Zoom h4n of your vocals and guitar, and also use the stereo mic pair on the h4n to record the 'room' audio that the speaker itself is sending out. Then in post production mix the levels of those two outputs together 😊

@photographywithbrallan1247 Жыл бұрын

Whats the best way to record drums? Snares can sound very very bad

@davidshanhun 9 ай бұрын

great question and often the sound you are capturing live is a not great sounding snare plus all the extra room noise when mic'ed tbh. Do the best you can with EQ in post, and look up a few different options for mic'ing/recording here on youtube. It will depend on the snare/drummer/room/overall volume of gig and other instrument/people noise, plus the gear and placement.

@lucbosch 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, very insightful video, thanks! I have an additional requirement, not sure how you would approach that. I want to make a multitrack recording of a live performance of a vocalist and myself on guitar. So I want separate audio tracks recorded (going to a Zoom H4n or H6) but I also need the audio of both channels to go to the PA for the room sound. I don't want to record the PA main stereo mix, because that is already mixed and I want to be able to mix it at home in my DAW and have separated tracks for the vocals and the guitar. I guess I could use the line out of the Zoom recorder to go to the PA and then I need to make the room mix with the gain knobs on the Zoom and basically send an already mixed stereo signal to the PA. Is that an advisable thing to do? Signal flow would be: vocals/guitar -> inputs of Zoom H4n -> line out Zoom H4n -> PA

@davidshanhun 2 жыл бұрын

hey Luc - yep you nailed it based on gear and options available to you. It'd mean you only have one signal of both guitar and vox going into your desk->PA so you'd lose some control on the FOH mix etc as you're aware, but if you're ok with that then you'll get the individual tracks you're after for mixing in your DAW later. Only thing would be that you may get issues if you also record the two condenser mic's on the Zoom as they will feed into the FOH mix as well. You could have them at a crazy low level and play around in post if you wanted to include them and that shouldn't be an issue, although you're likely to introduce some sort of phasing. The other thing that actually works although crude if you do want to include some live room sound, is to simply use your phone to record audio from the room. You're only ever going to use a tiny part of this to blend into the mix so the quality is not actually as important. Depends on if you want a total studio sounding recording, or want a slightly more 'it feels like we're there' kind of mix. Fun to experiment with though!

@lucbosch 2 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun Thanks for your reply! Sending the input of the Zoom's condensor mics to FOH is something I didn't think of yet, that is a good remark indeed. And I like the phone recording idea as well. Btw, I don't own a Zoom H4n yet (but I do have a very old Zoom H2), I am in the process of determining the best gear for my requirement. So if you have any additional gear recommendations to meet my requirement, I am also open to that. It strikes me that there is not too much to find on the web about this topic it seems, while I would think that other people will have the same requirements as well.

@davidshanhun 2 жыл бұрын

@@lucbosch You might consider looking at something like the Zoom LiveTrak series, or the Tascam model 12. I'm using the LiveTrak L8 for exactly this purpose. (I had assumed you had an H4n or equivalent). I would recommend the L12 over the L8 for live purposes (the sweepable mid and compressor being the main reasons), but I wanted the portability of the L8. Using the L8 it records the individual tracks to the SD card, and I can mix the sound as suits for the venue without it changing the recording. You can also bring an additional room mic and have it record on it's own channel, but muted to the FOH. Might be a good option for you.

@lucbosch 2 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun I checked the LiveTrak L8 as well and it indeed should do the job. However it is still quite big and I do like the compact form factor of the Zoom H6, you can just toss it in your gigging bag. I just checked the manual and with the integrated monitor mixer, I should be able to mute the live mics and only send the regular inputs to the line out going to FOH (not sure about the H4n). I just bought the H6 this weekend used, so I will test this setup and report whether it is providing a solution to my 'problem' :-)

@davidshanhun 2 жыл бұрын

@@lucbosch ah that's awesome brother! You will enjoy it I'm sure and I'll look forward to hearing how you go. Sounds like a good solution!

@EtienneSiew 5 жыл бұрын

Hey David, this is and awesome video. I have a zoom H4N that I use for my audio recordings and use the built in condenser mics to record performances, but I am trying to get the clean signals additionally, to mix them in with the room recording just like you have. Mixing room noise is really hard when the vocals and guitars are blended. I have a fishman loudbox mini acoustic amp that my vocals and guitar plug directly into ( I saw you have a mixing board behind you). How would I get seperate signals out from my amp into the zoom h4n?( it does have a built in DI out) Or should I some how plug into the H4N up chain --> then have that into my amp? Confused on the sequence and cords to use, if you have suggestions that would be great as this is the only video on the internet I've found with some sort of instruction! Cheers from Canada!

@davidshanhun 5 жыл бұрын

Hey Etienne, the mixing board you saw behind me has the same options as your Fishman amp - one output with both guitar and vocals in it. So, the trick really is to get a good mix of your vocal and guitar from the amp first (or desk), and then you can blend it with the room sound that you are getting from the condenser mics on the H4n. I'd suggest recording part of a chorus like this before filming, and then listen back briefly on the H4n via the headphone output, and if you need to then adjust your vocal and guitar balance and try again. Once you have a good mix, then you can record your video :) Hope that helps! Where in the world are you?

@EtienneSiew 5 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun Great suggestion man, thank you for the detailed response and for getting in touch. I will give this a shot and see how it comes out. I live in Beautiful British Columbia!

@fookisof5724 4 жыл бұрын

For recording audio in standup comedy, how can i plug in my h4n with mixer that is connected with the main mic?

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

ask whoever is running the sound desk/mixer, to give you an audio send from the desk. Either a jack or xlr output from the main desk will go into one of the xlr inputs on the H4n, set basic levels and you're set!

@fookisof5724 4 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun thank you sir🙏

@freedommakers101 9 ай бұрын

What are u using to capture video and audio on your tutorial? Your phone?

@davidshanhun 9 ай бұрын

using a camera with a little mic on top (listed in the description of this video)

@willysmithmusic 7 ай бұрын

I’m having big troubles with getting a distorted recording. I tried to correct this at my last gig by turning my input level down super low but it still came thru distorted. Any ideas?

@davidshanhun 6 ай бұрын

heya! Are you using the H4n pro for this? Make sure you're watching the level on the metering display while setting your gain so that the peaks are still under max/clipping. Setting the level 'super low' has nothing to do with whether you will clip or not - (not a dig but many people try to set levels based on the number they see etc). 0.2 might be the right gain setting even though it goes up to 100 - all purely based on the level you are sending to it (different outputs will vary massively). The other options are to reduce the level you are sending into the H4n, or you may be clipping and have a distorted sound before it reaches the H4n if you truly are doing all of the above. Often what happens in a case like this is someone isn't watching the levels when they set the gain, or, they set the gain and then play louder, or turn up the signal that also sends to the unit without thinking about it during their set. Hopefully this helps you out or has an a-ha type moment on what might be going on for you - but reach out if you still can't solve it! This stuff can be frustrating til you pinpoint the issue!

@willysmithmusic 6 ай бұрын

@@davidshanhun thanks so much for the response. I have a gig this friday and I will test out one of your suggestions - to lower the level that i’m sending into the H4n Pro, and I hope that solves it. Thanks!

@davidshanhun 6 ай бұрын

@@willysmithmusic all good mate - otherwise have a friend set the gain level on the H4n once you've started playing and you should nail it also as they can watch the level in real time👌

@freedommakers101 9 ай бұрын

What phone or tablet do you recommend and mic u can attach to either to do good video and audio?

@davidshanhun 9 ай бұрын

you'll need to research what works for you on that one tbh. depending on how much you want to spend, this is a great audio option for an 'on camera' mic when using an iphone or tablet etc - amzn.to/3ShLe9v. You'll likely want to research what is a good option that best suits your needs though.

@freedommakers101 9 ай бұрын

@@davidshanhun does that mic need a dongle and can I use it 9n an android phone or tablet?

@johnglennon5623 2 ай бұрын

What about recording a handpan , what would i need to do ?

@davidshanhun 2 ай бұрын

Entirely up to you - what sort of environment are you in? Eg is it noisy around you or are you recording at home/studio etc.

@johnglennon5623 2 ай бұрын

@@davidshanhun at home 👍

@davidshanhun 2 ай бұрын

@@johnglennon5623 a condenser mic above the handpan is a great option if it's just one mic, or if you are recording with two mic's you can use a stereo pair approx a foot above and slightly off to each side tilted in. That will give you some starting points to listen and play with - from there if you can have somebody play as you listen in headphones and adjust the mics and you will start to hear the difference in placement!

@djkavishlive235 4 жыл бұрын

Hi David, I am looking for a microphone which could record loud music just like the music played in EDM DJ Festivals with lotso f heavy bass.

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Kavish, the Zoom H4n is a good option still - it records up to an SPL of 140, so you should be good in most cases I would expect :)

@tequerer8463 4 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun thank you I need this for concert

@gerrabath 4 ай бұрын

Desert? Beach surely.

@davidshanhun 4 ай бұрын

hmmm what did I say 🤔

@EDDIEGARAGE 4 жыл бұрын

when recording one track stop switch off, turned on record a new track, and the new track is recorded on top of the previous one correct??

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Edward, I'm not quite sure what you're referring to - was it this video that you meant to comment on about recording? When I'm recording it's all done at the same time - I record from the desk as well as from a live microphone to get the room sound - this happens all at once.

@freedommakers101 9 ай бұрын

How do u do video and audio at the same time with the h4n? Cause it just captured audio even if lined in.

@davidshanhun 9 ай бұрын

correct - h4n captures the audio, and you can use whatever you wish for video (eg phone/camera etc). Afterwards sync them up in some form of editing software and you have your final combo 👌

@freedommakers101 9 ай бұрын

@@davidshanhun thank u

@mkdsk101 2 жыл бұрын

I video record live bands and I am looking for a wireless mic and receiver for my camcorder with great quality. Any ideas?

@davidshanhun Жыл бұрын

hey Mark - are you wanting the audio from the desk direct to your camcorder? depending on inputs and outputs etc, you could get direct audio from most desks using either a wireless guitar setup, or wireless mic send/receive. I don't know of many wireless mic setups that would be good for a room audio tbh. Personally I would simply record out from the desk on another unit and then sync the audio in post production - guessing you're hoping to avoid that step though eh?

@mkdsk101 Жыл бұрын

I just need a wireless mic to put in front of the bands speaker and connect the receiver to my camcorder mic input.

@davidshanhun Жыл бұрын

@@mkdsk101 not something I would do personally but it can work. Most of the wireless systems designed for camera setups are designed for voice like the Rode Wireless Go etc - amzn.to/3wG3z4A - not sure they would handle the SPL sitting direct by a speaker, or particularly capture the bottom end well. In essence it would do what you're asking and it may work better than I expect. Do you have an xlr input on your filming setup?

@mkdsk101 Жыл бұрын

I just have a mic input on my camcorder.

@davidshanhun Жыл бұрын

@@mkdsk101 do you know if the mic input is a mini xlr, xlr, 1/4 or 1/8 inch jack connection? Connections can be adapted of course, but a potential option for you may be something like the Xvive systems. (something like this - amzn.to/3Q9H6nm). You may need an adaptor to fit your camcorder as it's xlr, but then you could use any dynamic mic in front of the speaker and it'd be wireless direct into your camcorder. Not sure how much you're wanting to spend etc but perhaps the ideas are helpful if you didnt know they existed etc.

@huynhthi9827 4 жыл бұрын

Hi David May u show me how to set up the video live streaming on fb please! thanks.

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Huynh thi! I don't actually stream on fb myself - is there something specific you were hoping to know? I'm guessing you are wanting to stream on facebook, using audio from the Zoom?

@tiloup102 Жыл бұрын

Hi, I have a ZOOM H1n and a rode stereo videomic pro. I recorded a show last year who an orchestra was playing. How I can record again that show (the 3rd december), if I want to make a video that all the orchestra is on the image? I can't put my microphone on a tripod near the orchestra, and I wouldn't be able to ear what I'm recording thru my ZOOM recorder, because I have to make a video far of the orchestra and also higher than the public if the orchestra have to be entirely in. Thanks a lot and you're my last hope and help for the show of the 3rd december. 🙂

@davidshanhun Жыл бұрын

Hi Simon, not sure if you'll get this in time or not (sorry!)... Set up your video to capture the video content or angle you want, and then set up your audio in the appropriate location to capture sound. Later combine the two in final cut or whichever editing software you use and you're sorted 👌

@tiloup102 Жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun Hi David, I recorded it last night. It's okay. For the next time, I just have to know where is the right place to record an orchestra. I know that it's not just one musician. If I put my Rode just close to the orchestra, I'll not be in control of the sound. Yesterday I was far from the stage, because I was filming to see all the orchestra. I adjusted the gage of my H1n by listening with my quality headphones. When it was too loud, I reduced it, and when it was too silent, I did the other thing. The room was small. The question is: do I also have to record sound near an orchestra because it's not an only musician and for record more global sound? Thanks! 🙂

@davidshanhun Жыл бұрын

@@tiloup102 heya, with the H4n, i'd listen on your headphones to find a place that feels like a good overall mix of sound, and then set your levels so that the loudest thing they play doesn't peak/clip when recording. Leave it at that setting even though the softer parts will be recorded softer. This allows dynamics and you can edit and compress this in post production for a more polished final recording. All just suggestions and ideas - the main thing is you are out there doing it and experimenting and learning as you go which is the main thing!

@tiloup102 Жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun thanks a lot. You're a very good adviser. So I have another question: if I enable the «limiter» function who limit the sound at -6 dB, is it enough? For example, I have setup my Rode at 0 dB and my Zoom was around 6/10 and 7/10 of his capacity of taking the sound. I understand that the most important is to setup the sound to be less loud for the post-editing. Thank you again for your precious tips, it's very appreciate.

@davidshanhun Жыл бұрын

@@tiloup102 i have never used the limiter function sorry to say. I suspect it's a case of testing what happens when you use it and see!

@eatsleep8688 3 жыл бұрын

blend!!!

@davidshanhun 3 жыл бұрын

yesss 😊

@t.d.fxmusic 4 жыл бұрын

How to blend recording sound from pa with recording sound that you got from zoom? I don't understand..

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

hi 😊 you will have two separate audio files. In whatever program you edit - could be logic, pro tools, cubase, or could just be in your video editing software, you'll put the two audio files above each other so they play at the same time, and then just adjust the volume of each. I normally only have a low volume of the zoom mics for the room ambience, and mostly it's the PA recording audio so that it stays clear to hear :)

@t.d.fxmusic 4 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun wow!! Thankyou very much David!! Very kind of you who answers this question very clear... This is really helpful, thankyou very much again!! :)))

@davidshanhun 4 жыл бұрын

@@t.d.fxmusic you are most welcome! 😊

@t.d.fxmusic 4 жыл бұрын

@@davidshanhun 🙏🙏🙏

@nelsonleiva5546 5 жыл бұрын

Terrible video. Just kidding man! Extremely helpful video, quick question what if you want to record drums and multiple guitars/ keyboard? For example how does tiny desk record their audio? Boom mic?

@davidshanhun 5 жыл бұрын

haha I love that you put terrible video for the reactions... 😂 If everything is running into your desk then you're sorted - just take one of the main and monitor outputs and put that into the zoom. otherwise you just mic things up as best as possible. If you have too many instruments for your desk then perhaps listen to what the room mics on the zoom are not picking up well, and mic that directly into the other channel on the zoom. Always a way, just a case of figuring out what you're getting and what you're missing haha!