HOW TO REPAIR A LATHE MACHINE BACK GEAR | FIRE METAL

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Fire Metal

2 жыл бұрын

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@Mthomas71188
@Mthomas71188 Жыл бұрын
We all know it’s not going to last but if it lasts long enough to make a new one then excellent. Very skilled guy
@donalfinn4205
@donalfinn4205 Жыл бұрын
It might last a lot longer than you think. Don’t be negative!
@jeffbeck9347
@jeffbeck9347 Жыл бұрын
If the repair results in an income that's more than the price of the repair, then it is worth it. This is not the first time this repair is done in places like this and they keep on doing it so therefore, the repair is worth it.
@timnickol8679
@timnickol8679 Жыл бұрын
You remind of an old saying. "Those that cannot do, bitch".
@PlasticCogLiquid
@PlasticCogLiquid Жыл бұрын
The original OEM one didn't last either, so what's the expectation?
@Mthomas71188
@Mthomas71188 Жыл бұрын
@@PlasticCogLiquid complete and total failure under heavy load.
@rcfokker1630
@rcfokker1630 2 жыл бұрын
In Gosport, England, there is a submarine museum. On display, they have a large bronze bevel gear, which belonged to a WW One submarine. This gear drove some vital piece of equipment ... I forget what the machinery was. A number of teeth were stripped from this bevel gear, and the result was the submarine was unable to surface. The submarine became stranded on the sea-bed. Artificers on board, drilled and tapped holes in the gear, in a similar way to what you have done. They then filed new teeth on the gear, such that the machinery was able to be put back into operation ... and the submarine was able to reach the surface. Talk about 'being under pressure'.
@millionmiler
@millionmiler 2 жыл бұрын
sounds like Das Boot material
@pharaon6718
@pharaon6718 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like that never happened event
@rcfokker1630
@rcfokker1630 2 жыл бұрын
@@pharaon6718 Go take a look. The museum is at HMS Dolphin, the submarine base.
@chrisunderhill6527
@chrisunderhill6527 2 жыл бұрын
I live in Gosport, and have seen the item in question. The story is close - although the gear was repaired using deck plate. The gear was part of the drive train and prevented the submarine moving under power, but she wasn't stranded on the sea bed. The repair held up until a replacement part could be shipped out to the submarine.
@Hertog_von_Berkshire
@Hertog_von_Berkshire 2 жыл бұрын
Have to guess that the broken gear was part of the operating mechanism for the fore or aft planes; the wing-like projections that allow a submarine's "angle of dangle" to be controlled.
@MrPanaramuh
@MrPanaramuh Жыл бұрын
Finally. An actual usable gear repair done that isn't made from epoxy or wax that seems like it'd still be usable. Good job.
@boosacknoodle6225
@boosacknoodle6225 Жыл бұрын
Depends on the use.
@Kk385
@Kk385 2 ай бұрын
Won’t last at all, material is to soft.
@OttoByOgraffey
@OttoByOgraffey 2 ай бұрын
​@@Kk385*too soft
@joels7605
@joels7605 2 жыл бұрын
Drilling and tapping the holes, then installing the bolts is an excellent trick for cast and difficult to weld materials. Thank you.
@timothywhieldon1971
@timothywhieldon1971 Жыл бұрын
only for those who cant weld...
@jeanpierreperret7783
@jeanpierreperret7783 Жыл бұрын
@@timothywhieldon1971 ]
@davidhooper3821
@davidhooper3821 Жыл бұрын
That is a small gear, you can easily preheat that and weld it
@timothywhieldon1971
@timothywhieldon1971 Жыл бұрын
@@davidhooper3821 you are clueless, the only decent solution for CAST IRON is silica bronze braze as it does not melt the parent material making it brittle. the issue is that its not ideal for teeth of a gear when you can braze on actual cast iron but its not as strong of a bond as again the base parent material is brittle at the joint. so depending on what is needed (duty of the gear) one or the other is good, what was done here is NOT silica bronze but rather a cast brass brazing rod and that WILL crack and is very weak as you can see by the cutting of it. what are you suggesting you WELD IT WITH? a MIG? machine Stick rods? you are so ignorant, please either elaborate or keep your dumb comments to yourself.
@timwheeler1503
@timwheeler1503 Жыл бұрын
@@davidhooper3821 Possibly but nickel rods are so expensive any more and for a back gear I think if he takes it easy on the lathe he probably will never have a issue with his repair.
@BudoReflex
@BudoReflex Жыл бұрын
Best gear repair i have seen. The bolts, tapping, and precision cutting! I see it is a low speed gear; I would trust this repair.
@cujet
@cujet 2 жыл бұрын
That came out considerably better than I expected. Thanks for showing this.
@mohabatkhanmalak1161
@mohabatkhanmalak1161 2 жыл бұрын
Very much impressed by your "root canal" metal dentistry. I like your technique, thanks for posting.
@KallePihlajasaari
@KallePihlajasaari Жыл бұрын
More like a post crown treatment.
@mikeh6286
@mikeh6286 2 ай бұрын
dentistry haha, love that!
@celestialbeas9214
@celestialbeas9214 2 жыл бұрын
That is an incredibly inventive way of handling that. nicely done!
@johnnyfannucci
@johnnyfannucci 2 жыл бұрын
I used to repair window regulators like this back in the late 70’s. I also used to call it dentistry. I was about 18 and never heard of this technique. To me it just made sense. That’s the good thing about being a kid. At the time nobody I knew had used a mig welder. So it was brazing everything
@onazram1
@onazram1 2 жыл бұрын
You certainly don't need to go this far to fix the skinny teeth on a window regulator, just build the weld up and re-grind the profile with a cut off wheel and maybe some files. Done it many times on antique vehicles....
@johnnyfannucci
@johnnyfannucci 2 жыл бұрын
@@onazram1 We didn’t have a mig back then
@onazram1
@onazram1 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyfannucci That would make it more difficult for sure
@jakefriesenjake
@jakefriesenjake 2 жыл бұрын
I fixed my electric regulators about 16 years ago. I'm still building the car! I ended up going with full manual windows instead in my 81 Z28
@tacticalant3841
@tacticalant3841 2 жыл бұрын
Yea, in the 80’s I had no welder, so i brazed EVERYTHING!
@patriciabranch9276
@patriciabranch9276 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing Teaneck you are a very smart man. I've never seen some body do that before. Thank you for teaching me. Thank you again. I look forward to seeing what you finish again.
@machineryexchange
@machineryexchange 2 жыл бұрын
i didnt know what to expect ... selling machinery like this and seeing gears broken like this and the cost to repair/ replace the parts and to see this same repair done.... great job
@GaisaSanktejo
@GaisaSanktejo 2 жыл бұрын
An interesting soluition to an annoyingly common problem. I saw you had previously repaired that gear and since they held up, I know the repair will hold. Very nicely done!
@lopezlopez7132
@lopezlopez7132 Жыл бұрын
Of course it will hold... until it's used...
@howardosborne8647
@howardosborne8647 Жыл бұрын
@@lopezlopez7132 And hold for a long time in use. It is an school old technique well proven to work reliably
@alpyre
@alpyre Жыл бұрын
@@howardosborne8647 You really think replacing the hardened steel teeth of a gear which couldn't bear the stress and broke with copper teeth will hold?
@stevenswenson7041
@stevenswenson7041 Жыл бұрын
@@alpyre pronze ...and bronze can be as tough as steel if not as hard. I would imagine some wear on those teeth ut take a while.
@johncrowley5612
@johncrowley5612 2 жыл бұрын
Your ingenuity is exceeded only by your patience. Well done.
@LifesAbe-ach
@LifesAbe-ach 2 жыл бұрын
Ingenuity pmsl seen this done in the 80s without using machinery to cut the teeth by a 70 year old pit fitter using a hacksaw and files .
@pufango4059
@pufango4059 2 жыл бұрын
What patience ?
@davidhuff5632
@davidhuff5632 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of back country trail repairs. Sometimes the fix only has to last a little while, but I have temporary fixes outlast the original part. Good for these guys for not giving up and abandoning the project.
@tigerteff015
@tigerteff015 7 ай бұрын
There's a good chance this fix will last.
@willtricks9432
@willtricks9432 2 жыл бұрын
The whole process and techniques are excellent, I learned something new today. Cheers
@johndonlan5956
@johndonlan5956 2 жыл бұрын
That is just brilliant! Using the saddle of a lathe as a shaper!!!! (It just goes to prove the old adage: necessity is the mother of invention). Good job! 🤗
@mikef.1000
@mikef.1000 2 жыл бұрын
Great job... using very worn out equipment! All the parts rocking around on the bed of that lathe. Good work too for making the best with what you have -- respect!!
@richardpalmer6196
@richardpalmer6196 2 жыл бұрын
A true repairman, not just a parts replacer . 👍
@mvemst
@mvemst Жыл бұрын
Is niks repareren aan en ik zal dit niet eens ergens in willen hebben want die plek is veel te zwak vergeleken met de rest. Het probleem is voor hun is dat ze niet anders kunnen of om aan onderdelen komen. Wil je het goed doen dan draai je helemaal een nieuwe. Voor ons is het goedkoper om een nieuwe te kopen voor paar tientje in vergelijking kwa werk en kosten. De oude word weer gerecycled voor andere doeleinden. Maar dit nee over half weer naar de klote.
@skirnir-atf
@skirnir-atf Жыл бұрын
I do same for gerbox, but use TIG and inconel filament. Can tell you truth - it`s bull shit. Teath not hard enough fore normal operation. Only to sell somebody, cause after 2 monthe of work it`s worn out.
@3D_Kam
@3D_Kam Жыл бұрын
вы туалетную бумагу тоже ремонтируете, вместо того чтобы выбросить?
@skirnir-atf
@skirnir-atf Жыл бұрын
@@3D_Kam Вот и я ро то самое. Мягкой латунью зубы напаять - совсем тупые.
@MrDejast
@MrDejast 2 жыл бұрын
Maintaining equipment is more important than repair or replacement. Good job making this gear usable again.
@juancampos1826
@juancampos1826 2 жыл бұрын
this kind of idea comes out of necessity; people in Latin America do come up with some good ideas for many problems like this; here in the states, we are so used to just exchanging parts and not doing many repairs, great Idea sir. thank you for sharing.
@robertheck6747
@robertheck6747 2 жыл бұрын
Very good job. The tapped brass screws provided a good foundation. I've had good luck brazing cast. I like this process better than the preheating and the nie rod.
@FairladyS130
@FairladyS130 Жыл бұрын
The screws were steel, adds more strength too.
@johngilbert6810
@johngilbert6810 Жыл бұрын
If the steel teeth broke the brass teeth will break even sooner. Nothing to be learned here unless you have dirt floors and no shoes
@robertheck6747
@robertheck6747 Жыл бұрын
@@johngilbert6810 I think the brass would be more maluable and less likely to break like brittle cast steel. I could for any method of repairing broken cast, simply because of the process of welding cast. It's a lot of work for it to fail in the end because of a little bit of cool air causing it to crack.
@andrzejporeda7281
@andrzejporeda7281 2 жыл бұрын
Bardzo jest świetny ten cały pomysł pozdrawiam twórcę tego filmiku serdecznie 👍👍👍👍
@maciejsiwa3931
@maciejsiwa3931 Жыл бұрын
Przeciez to dziadostwo daje 5 minut działania ten mosiądz nie wytrzyma takich sił jest zbyt mieki i plastyczny
@pgjuzek
@pgjuzek Жыл бұрын
very nice! I was expecting something terrible after initial angle grinder shots, but then you got me back with cutting the right gear tooth geometry. I salute you!
@BITTYBOY121
@BITTYBOY121 2 жыл бұрын
Very good repair ! - You used your lathe as a shaper ! - Great idea - Well done man 👍👍👍
@UncleKennysPlace
@UncleKennysPlace 2 ай бұрын
I've done it for keyways on gears and pulleys; works amazingly well, if a bit tedious.
@BITTYBOY121
@BITTYBOY121 2 ай бұрын
@@UncleKennysPlace but rewarding in the end once you've got your key way done ! :o)
@heyyoubuddy6749
@heyyoubuddy6749 2 жыл бұрын
Fanatic job well done sir!! I saw my grandpa do the very same thing to a broken gear from one of his machines. It’s nice to see something old and broken be put back into service. Thanks for sharing God bless you and yours.
@scootersonlyrepair6773
@scootersonlyrepair6773 2 жыл бұрын
#thereisnogod stupid
@sajidrafique375
@sajidrafique375 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic..Not Fanatic :P
@ermelindowenceslauqueiroz8894
@ermelindowenceslauqueiroz8894 Жыл бұрын
@@sajidrafique375 fanatic of orthography 🤣🤝👏👏
@johndilsaver8409
@johndilsaver8409 2 жыл бұрын
Well done. I have a lathe with a similar type of repair which has held up for me over many years. Thanks for posting this!
@evanpenny348
@evanpenny348 Жыл бұрын
Great. One interesting thing however is why if a bronze repair is so all fire good why gears are not made of all cast bronze. Does anyone know?
@BrassLock
@BrassLock Жыл бұрын
@@evanpenny348 Because the price of lathes would far exceed the wallet of the consumer. Henry Ford eliminated expensive brass radiators and fittings from his early model T cars, so that later versions of the same model T were about half the cost to the consumer, thus triggering the Automobile Revolution. He sold 15 Million model T's as a result, which was a staggering achievement in the 1920's Nowadays the Chinese are using cheap materials and techniques to make their products so affordable, that the consumer has a terrible dilemma: _"Do I buy a reliable German machine or a cheap Chinese knock-off🤔🤔🤔"_
@evanpenny348
@evanpenny348 Жыл бұрын
@@BrassLock Good point
@IlluminaAssel
@IlluminaAssel Жыл бұрын
@@BrassLock please be careful with your suggestions! I'm from Austria, so I know pretty well what it means to buy a good car with qualitative parts build in. Today we are at a point, where not every German car has to be better than a car from somewhere else. Yeah, Chinese cars are complicated.. On one hand, they aren't seen very often here in Europe, because the search for replacements is ridiculously hard and yes, there are that many better cars, but the most Chinese ones.. But on the other hand there aren't many German cars anymore, which are build from nothing but German parts, not even cars that are mostly build from parts made somewhere in Europe.. I think more than 80% of the German cars are mostly build of Chinese crafted parts, what tells us a few things: 1. The Chinese definitely made some of the worst, but also some of the best materials and parts for different products. 2. The fact, that many cars are still put together in Germany or at least Europe, may be a big point in all of this. The controle mechanisms are very thought through and each and every part will be handled and put together with much more care, than it's the case with many other car factories in other countries and they will be combined with parts made in Europe or Germany. To spend more money will set the chances very high, that you will get a very solid German car, but don't let yourself fool by old and glorified names, because many things have changed. Today the German automobilindusrtie isn't the same as 20 ago so please.. always research! Don't buy just because it's German!
@BrassLock
@BrassLock Жыл бұрын
@@IlluminaAssel Everyone here has the right to express a personal opinion, provided it doesn't endanger other's wellbeing. ● A personal opinion is not a _suggestion_ for others to take action. ● A personal opinion is not _advising_ others to take action. @illuminaAssel • Please be aware of these simple, obvious faults in your discussion, and correct them when addressing me personally. Thank you.
@scroungasworkshop4663
@scroungasworkshop4663 2 жыл бұрын
What a clever man you are. Excellent work.👍👍👍 Cheers Stuart 🇦🇺
@montesamapping
@montesamapping Жыл бұрын
Really a good idea for many unrecoverable problems like that! Thanks for sharing!
@vasillek
@vasillek 2 жыл бұрын
С таким успехом можно было просто пластилином заклеять и сделать зубы результат один и тот же был!
@user-rh4hz3nm2l
@user-rh4hz3nm2l 2 жыл бұрын
Эволюция диайвайщиков. Термоклей заменили на латунный припой.
@Samkr07
@Samkr07 2 жыл бұрын
еще и профиль зуба не совпадает,шестерня не садится
@ivan_filimonoff
@ivan_filimonoff 2 жыл бұрын
@@Samkr07 по месту притрётся!
@SWOG_WOGS
@SWOG_WOGS Жыл бұрын
Вы чё доебались "умники"? Среди всех коментов, только рускоязычные отличились своей "невъебенной продвинутостью". Бля, там люди тоже понимают, что это залипуха, но когда страна нищая и люди, быть может, последний хуй без соли доедают, или просто недоступно новое, или нет соответствующих ресурсов для качественного восстановления, то сгодится всё, что сможет поддержать работоспособность хоть на какое-то ещё время. Постыдились бы - люди хоть как-то выходят из положения, а не хуи пинают.
@user-lz3vn4vt5v
@user-lz3vn4vt5v Жыл бұрын
Мастер просто мало курнул, покурит как следует, и сделает из пластилина, как учили.
@jimmcknight1189
@jimmcknight1189 Жыл бұрын
I used to have an old Atlas lathe (before it became Sears Craftsman) that had a back gear pin gear like that one. It also had a series of holes on the flat face of that gear toward the chuck that you could use the headstock as a divider. There was a retractable pin that went in that fixed the position that was accessed outside of the drive housing. Your use of the lathe as a manual shaper is pretty cool. You also did good by putting in those screws in the cast iron before brazing. There is a nickel type welding rod you can use in place of brazing for cast iron. For gears, brazing is so much better. This is a nice post of this sort of metalworking trick. Thank you for posting.
@pcka12
@pcka12 Жыл бұрын
I used to have a Halifax 524 lathe (read Atlas if in US), it is sadly missed, but I chose to keep my children (then aged 9 & 11) & so I lost the lathe.
@jessebreck9
@jessebreck9 Жыл бұрын
@@pinohaxk628 Who asked you to reply so rudely?
@TalRohan
@TalRohan Жыл бұрын
Very cool process, the happy music at the end was a loud surprise lol Thanks for sharing ...This is something I will try out
@IntegraDIY
@IntegraDIY 2 ай бұрын
how does the soft braze last compared to the original cast iron? i. sure it’s very low torque and rpm.. or else that would fail fast
@ZachStein
@ZachStein 2 ай бұрын
It's a very common way to repair cast iron. When is done right it's almost as strong as the original material and the braze is rarely what fails. Keith Rucker does a lot of these repairs on KZfaq and explains a lot of it in detail if you want to look it up
@richardmorton4762
@richardmorton4762 Жыл бұрын
The braze would be quite soft compared to the rest of the gear, but if it work, fantastic! 👍
@woodworkingbrazil8446
@woodworkingbrazil8446 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, watching this kind of video puts me in my place. How much I have to learn. Thanks for sharing!
@robertordewald8678
@robertordewald8678 2 жыл бұрын
That bull gear looks like it's about done, it looked like it had several other teeth repaired already. One positive thing with the way you did that and having it mesh with the harder gear the softer metal will work its teeth in overtime using the squish Factor. I never thought about using my lathe as a shaper. Thanks, I learned something new. From Virginia USA
@Bialy_1
@Bialy_1 2 жыл бұрын
You need to have the exact same shape on every teeth, there was too much load on them because the ones that were repaired before got the wrong shape. So now another 3 gonna be broken and again right next to the teeths that was just repaired... and how exatly different metal in something that needs to have every teeth identical is a beneficial factor?!
@robertordewald8678
@robertordewald8678 2 жыл бұрын
@Biały if you are wondering I was referring to imperfect duplication of the teeth using brass would allow them to wear into the steel teeth on the other gear. That is what I was referring to.
@daltonmann4916
@daltonmann4916 2 жыл бұрын
this is the best "thinking outside the box!" example i have seen in a long time!
@chipwright6193
@chipwright6193 2 жыл бұрын
My boss did that to the back gear on his small Sheldon lathe many years ago. They are still using it. It's probably lasted 30 years or more.
@marcmckenzie5110
@marcmckenzie5110 2 жыл бұрын
@Fire Metal, I’m very impressed! Your whole approach to this problem was creative, great use of brazing, and turning your lathe into essentially a shaper with a rotary table is the cleverest thing I’ve seen in a long time. Best of luck on your KZfaq channel. 👍🏼😁
@firemetal2376
@firemetal2376 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You | Marc McKenzie
@GamingHelp
@GamingHelp Жыл бұрын
That's exactly what *I* was thinking too. This was brilliant in every way.
@samodio586
@samodio586 Жыл бұрын
In a throw away world, absolutely beautiful to watch
@jamesanderton344
@jamesanderton344 2 жыл бұрын
Clever repair....my first boss in the machine shop once did this kind or repair with a shaper....cut a dovetail in the gear then shrank fit a plug, then formed the teeth as you have done.
@user-sz9wt2lk6w
@user-sz9wt2lk6w 2 жыл бұрын
This is economically advantageous in countries where the work of a locksmith costs $ 10 for a 12-hour working day, and CNC machines have not even been seen in pictures.
@user-sz9wt2lk6w
@user-sz9wt2lk6w 2 жыл бұрын
@canreplace в точку! Элемент путинской стабильности, как наследницы брежневского застоя.
@georgespangler1517
@georgespangler1517 2 жыл бұрын
That's impressive,, l buy and restore vintage lathes,, I'll never be worried about broken gear teeth again thanks for the lesson.
@jkucukov
@jkucukov 2 жыл бұрын
I got a 1911 Von Wyck lathe with a broken gear like this.
@georgespangler1517
@georgespangler1517 2 жыл бұрын
@@jkucukov well this repair vedio should give you hope on fixing it,, you can mig are Arch weld it also,, l did a smaller gear with one missing tooth with mig and you con concentrate the weld more and not have to use screws just cut groove with cut off wheel for weld and then use a file to shape it.
@gestoriaradicacionradicaci9315
@gestoriaradicacionradicaci9315 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations for that job,I remmenber when I was the techinical school,I wached the instructor, maked a job liked this.Greeting from Uruguay 🇺🇾🇺🇾
@sharifslife518
@sharifslife518 2 жыл бұрын
ভাই আপনাকে অনেক ধন্যবাদ সুন্দর একটি কাজের মডিপাই দেখলাম।
@user-qk4ur2cu1j
@user-qk4ur2cu1j Жыл бұрын
Для тех,кто не понял зачем это всё,должен помнить,что обломанные зубья шестерни из литья (чугуна),гараздо слабее чем болты из сырца и наплавленной бронзы....
@user-ek8el5jp2c
@user-ek8el5jp2c 7 ай бұрын
Да ты гонишь, так это времянка, пока новую не сделали 😂
@MsRustynuts
@MsRustynuts 2 жыл бұрын
Great to see these people doing so much with so little.
@ovalwingnut
@ovalwingnut 7 ай бұрын
Considering your options... I think that was a pretty good damn fix! Good job. You RoCk :) Cheers from So.CA.USA
@Qspecialman
@Qspecialman Жыл бұрын
That, is very clever! It just goes to show an old style can really work. Thanks for taking the trouble of making this video.
@stuartmccall5474
@stuartmccall5474 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant as a "field repair" which was driven by necessity. Faced with the circumstances of what he had before which was "totally fuck8d-up" he now has something which, with a bit of tweeking with a set of Swiss files and engineer's "marking blue", enables him to use the machine. Is the lathe going to be as good as new, obviously not, but with careful usage he can now do things with it that in it's previous state was impossible. Necessity is always the mother of invention. Greetings from the UK !.
@MojoPup
@MojoPup Жыл бұрын
With all the safety regulations we have to observe here in the states...I LOVE how this machinist is sitting there cross-legged in shorts welding this gear up! Just doing what he has to.
@thenormalyears
@thenormalyears Жыл бұрын
yes you office workers have a weird fetish about seeing blue collar people get hurt on the job
@nelupetrescu4696
@nelupetrescu4696 2 жыл бұрын
Cu prezoane implantate , o sudare corespunzătoare și o mortezare corectă , roata dințată agrenează din nou , Felicitări!
@ronnyvanderwee417
@ronnyvanderwee417 2 жыл бұрын
I'm very impressed . Well done !!! BRAVO !
@richardsprojects
@richardsprojects 2 жыл бұрын
I remember learning this technique as an apprentice, it works better with thicker studs which slightly interlock , you dont need to braze then
@somebodyelse6673
@somebodyelse6673 2 жыл бұрын
Are you saying the gear teeth would be formed completely out of stud shafts, no brazing needed to make the tooth shape? I can't picture that, especially with the small amount of material those studs could be seated in. I think the brazing is just as much to reinforce that thin "rim" and the bolt shafts, as it is to provide material for the tooth profile. If the gear was the same thickness from shaft to outside flange, there would be enough meat to support the studs, but I don't see that thin flange surviving the torque on a back gear. Cast iron is too brittle for the small amount of material in that flange to hold up.
@haroldmedalen6757
@haroldmedalen6757 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Smith and Mills 17" shaper that is probably 100 years old. It has several broken teeth in the crossfeed drive gear that have been repaired, who knows how many years ago, by exactly the method you describe. The studs interlock slightly, they haven't been welded or brazed. It appears that the studs were filed to shape. The gear is pretty fine, the teeth are less than an 1/8" thick. The machine works just fine. I don't subject it to heavy use, but it was worked plenty hard in the past. I have also seen the same repair on several similar sized gear teeth on a 13" Southbend lathe. It probably started out as an emergency repair, but worked well enough that they never bothered to replace the gear. We are so used to the landfill economy and throwing everything away and buying new that people are horrified at thought of the terrible things that might possibly happen as a result of some guy in a third world country making do with what he has and repairing an expensive or hard to find part. I swear, if our knuckleheaded banksters and politicians manage to blow the world up one of these days, it will be the barefoot mechanics of the third world that pick up the pieces and put it back together.
@_MadFox
@_MadFox 2 жыл бұрын
@@haroldmedalen6757 You have no idea how right you are. I have a milling machine of the German company Biernatzki, this year it turned more than 80 years old. And this is quite a working and accurate machine, which I completely disassembled and repaired with my own hands. And this company no longer exists. Such a rarity from the past.
@haroldmedalen6757
@haroldmedalen6757 2 жыл бұрын
@somebody else Both the gear on my shaper and the one on the lathe are done with the row of studs alone. The studs very nearly overlap and it looks like they were hand filed to the proper profile. The work is very finely done. It is possible that they were both done by the same person, as both machines have been in our somewhat isolated town for many years. I haven't found anyone who knows anything about the history of the repairs. I expect they were done back in the days when we had one steamship a week, not daily air service like today. If a part was damaged or failed and you needed the machine, you would have had to figure out how to fix it and keep it going however you were able. I think this guy's repair brazing over the studs, then cutting the teeth to shape with the tool in the lathe is probably a more durable repair by far than the studs alone, but I know I could run my shaper all day without any problems from the repaired gear. (Knock on wood!)
@johnh8615
@johnh8615 2 жыл бұрын
In my trade we had bronze rod high strength nickel alloy that I use to braze tungsten teeth to 1 metre cutting wheels . These rods are recommended by the manufacturer to repair or replace missing teeth on gears and also for high strength brazing .
@JoaoSantos-hf2yj
@JoaoSantos-hf2yj 2 жыл бұрын
Normalmente estes tipos de engrenagem são de ferro fundido ou aço forjado creio q a melhor solda seria de aço inoxidável # no + 1 ótimo trabalho ( recurso muito útil )
@stevieboy7873
@stevieboy7873 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant idea and craftsmanship there, I do like the threaded bolt idea for strength tho.👍
@markosmith8037
@markosmith8037 2 жыл бұрын
Great video - fantastic skill involved - well done
@NAVEENSECE
@NAVEENSECE 2 жыл бұрын
Fabulous work bro ⚡🔥🔥
@TTPistole
@TTPistole 2 жыл бұрын
И долго такая латунная заплатка прослужит ? А электросварки вообще нет, чтоб то же самое но нормально сделать ?
@evgeniyblinov4948
@evgeniyblinov4948 2 жыл бұрын
Нельзя нормально, отзывов мало будет. В целом просто бред конечно.
@user-st7cr2tt4w
@user-st7cr2tt4w 2 жыл бұрын
Мне тоже кажется что всё это сизифов труд. Для большей эпичности зубья надо было выпиливать надфилем.
@weldermusk8860
@weldermusk8860 2 жыл бұрын
Электросварка невозможна так как это по видимому чугун, при сварке место сварки закалится и зубья невозможно нарезать. Он все сделал правильно. Имейте в виду что это ж не завод и технологические возможности ограничены. Но раньше и ваши отцы так делали, просто вы отупели от деидустриализации. Сидите за компами и даже сверла заточить не умеете.
@SWOG_WOGS
@SWOG_WOGS Жыл бұрын
@@weldermusk8860 Плюсую под каждым словом. Для себя отметил, что только русскоязычные отметились своей "невъебенной продвинутостью" и критикой. Ска, да посмотрели бы как в России что "умельцы" сотворяют с новой техникой и гробят её, а уж про "реставрацию" чего-то вообще промолчим. Хотя, да - не все жопорукие, но дохуя и больше. Тут люди со скромными ресурсами и возможностями и хоть как-то выходят из положения, но обязательно находятся те, кому нужно всё обосрать в силу своей ограниченности и тупизма. Да, это чугуний и чел всё правильно сделал, как смог. Зубья притрутся, а пока сотрутся или сломаются либо новое успеют заказать, либо повторят потом процесс; факт в другом - работа механизма не останавливается надолго, люди дорожат работой и временем простоя.
@robertoruiz7069
@robertoruiz7069 2 жыл бұрын
Wow great idea,looks like it would work really good for a while,i like it. You turned a lathe into a shapper and it looks to work great.you even ground the tool bit to fit the profile of the tooth.thanks
@Capthrax1
@Capthrax1 Жыл бұрын
ive made a internal key way using my lathe like he did here, just smaller, less beat up rod i turned from AL. a lot u can do with some creativity
@sekarshanmugam179
@sekarshanmugam179 Жыл бұрын
30 Years before I met the same problem in my lathe gear.I have done the same work .but I am using ms welding rod and file it the gear teeth.Still no problem in this gear.
@Funco1979
@Funco1979 Жыл бұрын
We did this at TAFE (technical college) during my apprenticeship and it's called "pegging". I had to do it in an emergency situation at work once to keep production going. We also made a whole spur gear from scratch at TAFE - turned the blank on the lathe then cut the teeth on the milling machine using the indexing head.
@ivantrida8278
@ivantrida8278 2 жыл бұрын
Muito bom. Excelente serviço.
@chrispfeffer1106
@chrispfeffer1106 2 жыл бұрын
Very ingenious to use the lathe as a shaper!
@user-tw9io9nz2m
@user-tw9io9nz2m 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you install this in a machine. Best case it jams, worst case it bends the shaft or splits the casting
@firemanjim324
@firemanjim324 2 жыл бұрын
The gears don't exactly ride on each other like he showed.... There is a small gap between the crest/crown of one thread and the root of the other.... The way he machined it , I don't see why it won't work.... This is in a place where they have to reuse/rebuild/repurpose just about everything..... I think he did an excellent job on the repair..... Depending on the quality of the brazing rod he used , I don't see why it wouldn't last a long time. The gears are cast iron. Not the strongest metal.....
@we-are-electric1445
@we-are-electric1445 2 жыл бұрын
The gears are rough and ready - including the wheel he was testing it on. In a poor country a wheel is better than no wheel and if it is running at low speed ( and it will have to be ) it may last a little while - he can always tweak it if it doesn't and there is some give in the brazing rod material anyway. Last resort he fixes it again. Don't be so negative.
@user-tw9io9nz2m
@user-tw9io9nz2m 2 жыл бұрын
@@we-are-electric1445 When he test rolls the gears against each other it’s clearly visible that the repaired patch has too much material. The gear bumps up and down over the brazing. When installed onto axles with a fixed and rigid center distance there will be interference there which causes jamming or other damage depending on drive power. If he built a test jig with axles at the correct distance then he would be able to see this mistake and correct with his grinder. Tooth form will be not even close to correct by eye to irregular wear is to be expected. You are right in saying a wheel is better than no wheel. But swapping out shitty wheels every two weeks is not a solution. Engineering knowledge is available for free, with that much better results can be achieved with similar equipment.
@davidcraemer8227
@davidcraemer8227 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-tw9io9nz2m So go and learn some engineering knowledge before making comments on something you have no knowledge of. Machining the gear on a his lathe is far more accurate than a grinder.
@user-tw9io9nz2m
@user-tw9io9nz2m 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidcraemer8227 so you’re telling me that this man can produce a better gear by indexing gear teeth with his eyeballs compared to having a test jig, seeing where the high spots interfere and gradually removing those with some patience? The gear teeth may be the correct depth if he compared it to an original tooth on the gear before slotting but I still have my doubts about the tooth form and spacing of the teeth with literally no way to index. Look closely and you can see the gear moving while he is cutting his first slot.
@gibadoni8917
@gibadoni8917 2 жыл бұрын
Show de reparo,peça pronta p voltar ao trabalho!!👏👏👏👏👏👏
@salvatorefilograna
@salvatorefilograna Жыл бұрын
Finally something really interesting on KZfaq, congratulations !!
@envitech02
@envitech02 Жыл бұрын
Excellent job sir!! Hats off to you for a perfect repair.
@alexandredacostaferreira2568
@alexandredacostaferreira2568 2 жыл бұрын
Boa tarde, gostei da ideia, mas você poderia soldar com aço 1045, aí ficaria perfeito. Um grande abraço!
@6181green
@6181green 2 жыл бұрын
Cast iron is very hard to weld
@SrKaGueKa
@SrKaGueKa 2 жыл бұрын
Concordo com vc, e o primeiro dente saio fino e desalinhado, da pra perceber que a outra engrengem da um pequeno tranco, não vai dura muito
@reinaldopereira6908
@reinaldopereira6908 2 жыл бұрын
Simplesmente fantástica essa idéia PARABÉNS !!!
@willhansen5321
@willhansen5321 Жыл бұрын
Excellent job Sir. Dad & I did a similar repair on gears in a Deering Mower.
@warriordugan7236
@warriordugan7236 8 ай бұрын
The new soft bronze/brass teeth are gonna wear out much faster than the original steel teeth.
@creativerecycling
@creativerecycling 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, that’s the way the Master Machinist I apprenticed under taught me. Turn the carriage of the lathe onto a shaper with a boring bar and a form tool. Waaay quicker than having a new gear made.
@lost4468yt
@lost4468yt 2 жыл бұрын
Did you know that not every place on the planet is under the same economic pressures as conditions as you?
@6181green
@6181green 2 жыл бұрын
@@lost4468yt I'm not sure what you are trying to say the original comment was just describing the process in the video more or less saying the master machinist he was an apprentice for taught him the same method to save money instead of having to have a whole new gear made
@masterpython
@masterpython 2 жыл бұрын
Needing a machine up and running faster than the days to weeks it will take to get a new part in isn't that high pressure. On a decades old machine it might be the only option.
@lost4468yt
@lost4468yt 2 жыл бұрын
@@6181green I thought they were being sarcastic.
@suprym
@suprym Жыл бұрын
Интересный способ, как я понял - шестерня из чугуна и поэтому не наплавлял элекстродами, глядя на "износ" зубьев можно сказать что это не нагруженная(об этом говорит и то из чего она сделана) шестерня а сломались из за чп какого-нить. Бронза/латунь канешь не настолько прочна и поэтому вставлены болты для усиления, зато она лучше скользит в отличии от сыромятины металлической. Думаю шанс что она походит есть, способу быть.
@brattri3
@brattri3 Жыл бұрын
Временное решение для того чтобы оборудование не простаивало пока придет нормальная деталь.
@contemporiser
@contemporiser Жыл бұрын
Excellent. I expected another crappy job with a stick welder, but this will definitely hold way better.
@paulkocyla1343
@paulkocyla1343 2 жыл бұрын
That´s super creative. Genious work!
@somebodyelse6673
@somebodyelse6673 2 жыл бұрын
For the shaping of the teeth, it will be very worth your time to deal with the slop in the toolpost, topslide, and however you had the gear fastened to the chuck. The part moved several times, the boring bar was pushed away from the gear way more than it should have been, and the topslide rocking on the carriage made me watch several times because I couldn't believe it was moving that much. The way you're going about that repair is perfectly fine, and a nice job on the brazing. But, you'll get much better results if you can fix the rigidity of the setup.
@CM-xr9oq
@CM-xr9oq 2 жыл бұрын
b;ah blah blah.
@somebodyelse6673
@somebodyelse6673 2 жыл бұрын
@@CM-xr9oq - So useful! Do you have any other wisdom to share?
@_MadFox
@_MadFox 2 жыл бұрын
@@somebodyelse6673 his weapon is an ass and a puddle to blow bubbles😁
@MsRustynuts
@MsRustynuts 2 жыл бұрын
This guy is in a poor third world country and probably hasn't shoes on his feet. He's done very well considering the circumstances 👏
@chele-chele
@chele-chele 2 жыл бұрын
@@MsRustynuts India is hardly third world. In fact, your medication is probably produced there and the have a nuclear weapons program, ICBMs, huge industry and a vast infrastructure. You act as if he's in some African shithole...
@Tornussen
@Tornussen 2 жыл бұрын
Well done!
@MM-fq9gi
@MM-fq9gi Жыл бұрын
I performed a repair on a back gear decades ago, I cut grooves such as for a keyway and brazed in steel metal bar the correct dimensions and then filed the profile in, the lathe is probably still in use with the Turkish navy now.
@rotax636nut5
@rotax636nut5 Жыл бұрын
Smart man, nailed that repair!
@rupe53
@rupe53 2 жыл бұрын
this begs the question: why did the gear break in the first place? If the cast iron gear broke, then how long will braze last?
@Bialy_1
@Bialy_1 2 жыл бұрын
The answer is in the video and it is very visible, next to the broken teath you have teaths that also have bronze in them and on top of that the shape of this teeths are different=the load on teeths is not distributed properly...
@Destros2ndone
@Destros2ndone Жыл бұрын
maybe it was allready repaired with brass solder you just have to put on a new layer after every couple of turns ;)
@michaelagnew3563
@michaelagnew3563 2 жыл бұрын
weld it up with cast rods steel and cast don,t mix that well !And if you brase it you should heat the whole piece up and keep it heated .
@mohabatkhanmalak1161
@mohabatkhanmalak1161 2 жыл бұрын
Its a lathe part, so a slow speed and low torque application. I think it will hold well.
@DimitriosLazaridis
@DimitriosLazaridis 2 жыл бұрын
There are the bolts that hold the teeth very well. Its an excellent fix ,these teeth are now stonger than the others.
@nelsonsilvera8013
@nelsonsilvera8013 2 жыл бұрын
muy bien,soy relojero y me hizo acordar cuando reparaba dientes rotos de los relojes,Desde Uruguay saludos
@CHIBA280CRV
@CHIBA280CRV 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic job sir thank you for sharing 👍👍👍👍👍
@Martin.Wilson
@Martin.Wilson 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like incredibly soft metal to use for a gear.
@undokat
@undokat 2 жыл бұрын
it's just for video
@Martin.Wilson
@Martin.Wilson 2 жыл бұрын
@@undokat The gear is made of soft metal for the video? I don't get it.
@undokat
@undokat 2 жыл бұрын
@@Martin.Wilson yes, he shows how to machine gear wheel, he puts a chewing gum, 700 thousand views made
@snaplash
@snaplash 2 жыл бұрын
Lathe back gears only move the carriage sideways. Not much load. The gear probably broke because a worker wasn't paying attention and let the carriage run into a hard stop.
@howardosborne8647
@howardosborne8647 Жыл бұрын
These gears are not under great load when working. The technique is as old as the hills for repairing slow running spur gears. It will last very well.
@stevenleslie8557
@stevenleslie8557 Жыл бұрын
These guys are masters of repair. In the West this part would have been replaced most likely with a new one. Labor costs in the West make such a repair unaffordable. This is assuming they can find workers who are skilled in this kind of work.
@kamilorzechowski6244
@kamilorzechowski6244 Жыл бұрын
Maybe replacing whole gear is also more bulletproof? If this part will fail again, additional cost of replacing gear in machine will sum up
@donaldhoot7741
@donaldhoot7741 Жыл бұрын
LOL! And their "repair" will last about 3 weeks and break again! Oh, us terrible Westerners! LOL!!!
@johnprescott6614
@johnprescott6614 2 жыл бұрын
it came out really good, well done
@gordonagent7037
@gordonagent7037 Жыл бұрын
Really great job,I have done something similar but I like your way more, and the result was awesome, really well done
@_MadFox
@_MadFox 2 жыл бұрын
Красиво сделано. Сколько читал об этом методе, и впервые увидел. Респект!
@user-qb3fr7ul7x
@user-qb3fr7ul7x 2 жыл бұрын
Интересно латунь износится быстрее чем чугун этот. Видимо что-то попало в механизм и зубы оторвало
@user-nx8tf7ci6u
@user-nx8tf7ci6u 2 жыл бұрын
Как говорится на продажу. Себе так не станут делать. Один зуб так ещё можно сделать, чтобы был перехлёст с живыми зубьями, а так при нагрузке они быстро выйдеут из строя. Но это не точно 😉
@_MadFox
@_MadFox 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-nx8tf7ci6u почитайте ремонтные работы в сельхозтехнике. Новая чугунная или стальная шестерни не всем доступны. Сейчас в серую такая шестерня обойдется в 5-6к рублей, официально даже представить страшно.
@MrMad-lp7in
@MrMad-lp7in 2 жыл бұрын
@@_MadFox Какая разница, сколько стоит эта шестерня. Есть механизм, и ему не объясниш, что денег нету. Ремонтные зубъя, сильно хуже основных. Они ослабили колесо сверлением, металл напайки, скорее всего, мягче, чем металл на зубъях. Ну вот и представте что будет. Так вообще не стот делать, если ты не на обитаемом очтрове и вокруг зомби апокалипсис, и у тебя сварочник сломался.
@_MadFox
@_MadFox 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrMad-lp7in теория, это, конечно, хорошо. Но вот почему-то мне шестерни заказывают в Краснрдарский край из Читы, из Оренбурга... Это подходит под локальный апокалипсис?
@FOMI1970
@FOMI1970 2 жыл бұрын
Brass is softer than cast iron so in time it will be worn out and starts missing teeth and eventually it will break , but for temporary fix it will do .
@fuckingpippaman
@fuckingpippaman 2 жыл бұрын
bronze*
@Lucas_sGarage
@Lucas_sGarage 2 жыл бұрын
probably you could weld it like with er70 or so
@pabloricardodetarragon2649
@pabloricardodetarragon2649 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lucas_sGarage ER 70 is too brittle and will ruin the very old gear which is probabley cast in some wrought iron. That will break. Better to use a good aluminim bronze bronze or a nickel bronze brazing over the screws. Another possibility (that depends on the material of the gear) is to weld with a machinable stainless steel like the 312, generally that welds very well in most steels and irons and it's very strong. The SS 312 is often used to repair gear boxes and crankshafts.
@Lucas_sGarage
@Lucas_sGarage 2 жыл бұрын
@@pabloricardodetarragon2649 is about finding a sweet spot between hardness and toughness
@pabloricardodetarragon2649
@pabloricardodetarragon2649 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lucas_sGarage Hard to find aluminium bronze, expensive cupro nickel 20 %, and easy to get SS312 are suitable : not too tough, easy machining, good ductility but hard enough. The real problem It's to get a good anchor of the brazing or welding between a very old gear of unknown alloy, with maybe impurities and probably a lot of carbon with the added metal of the new teeth. It's a tough problem. I've had excellent results with the 312 which gets a good fusion even with hard to weld steel alloys and a lot of irons without heating to much, is pretty ductile so very resilient to vibrations and alternate stresses, and a good surface hardness. It has made to fix blades on turbine engines with hot combustion gases heating it. So on a old gear it's peanuts for the 312.
@anderslittorin6882
@anderslittorin6882 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant solution! Thank you for the tip, you just made me subscribe!
@stevencoyne4971
@stevencoyne4971 2 жыл бұрын
Old School ,well done !!👍👍👏👏👏
@moondog8072
@moondog8072 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty impressive, how long it lasts remains to be seen.
@Bialy_1
@Bialy_1 2 жыл бұрын
The gear or the repair? The teeths gonna last because the shape of the new teeths is wrong so the new teeths will be underloaded, the teeths right next to it gonna breake because they gonna be overloaded just like it broke before as you can see previously repaired teeths right next to it.
@DantesAlvesdeSantana
@DantesAlvesdeSantana 2 жыл бұрын
Vai servir bem
@michaellavery4899
@michaellavery4899 Жыл бұрын
Next time something breaks on my car, I'm going to India to get it fixed. Fantastic workmanship and will probably work out cheaper.
@ags30mm
@ags30mm Жыл бұрын
Nice work! First few minutes I wasn't sure where did this video came from. And then I saw the bare feet holding the electrodes and it all got clear.
@65cj55
@65cj55 2 жыл бұрын
Necessity is the Mother of Invention.
@jeffreytabag9380
@jeffreytabag9380 2 жыл бұрын
so many experts here go create your own channel and show the right way to do it.
@schelli3430
@schelli3430 2 жыл бұрын
The right way is to destroy it and make a completely new one. But respect, he fixed it with some basic tools, but it won't live long.
@silviodegiorgi9714
@silviodegiorgi9714 2 жыл бұрын
@@schelli3430 o
@NeonAstralOfficial
@NeonAstralOfficial Жыл бұрын
why would anyone waste time to do that?
@nistaffsubs6787
@nistaffsubs6787 5 ай бұрын
This is the poor way 👌🏼...
@josephleister9198
@josephleister9198 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work...very creative. Thank you
@powerofone1645
@powerofone1645 Жыл бұрын
That better expected considerably came out than I could construct this sentence.
@jerryrobinson7856
@jerryrobinson7856 2 ай бұрын
Sorry, but… That soft brass repair won’t last like steel. Furthermore, if you look closely at the end photo, there is a MAJOR stress crack to the right of the new teeth which starts just below the teeth line right up into an untouched tooth bottom.
@biggusdickus9046
@biggusdickus9046 2 ай бұрын
STFU. Then he will make another one
@TheYTSucks
@TheYTSucks Ай бұрын
Bro is working without shoes or a shirt and in a shop with a dirt floor do you honestly think his machinery is precision or works properly?
@LTV_inc
@LTV_inc Ай бұрын
I agree. It would have been better to just build up weld. But if you don’t have anything else…. 😊
@user-sk5ll9zw7c
@user-sk5ll9zw7c Ай бұрын
It's a cast iron gear. No way can you weld it with steel.
@LTV_inc
@LTV_inc Ай бұрын
@@user-sk5ll9zw7c ~ they’ve been fixing heavy machinery for years by….welding it…where have you been?
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