HOW TO Setup The KYOSHO MP10 For SAVOYA

HOW TO Setup The KYOSHO MP10 For SAVOYA - Without Balls...

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Timestamps: ▼
00:00 - What this video is about
04:23 - Welcome Savoya - Why I Think Savoya Loves BALLS
10:02 - How Savoya Drives
12:31 - Savoya's Weakness As A Driver
15:00 - How Savoya Likes his Car To Handle
18:15 - The Difference Between BALLS and NO BALLS According To Savoya
23:40 - JQ's View On The Difference Between BALLS and NO BALLS
25:00 - Scrub Radius
28:05 - KPI and scrub Radius
31:06 - What Scrub Radius Causes When Accelerating & Braking
35:45 - Why The Rear End Matters
36:45 - Rear Offset
39:35 - THE SECRET To Why a Car With BALLS Drives The Way it Does
41:36 - NO BALLS Car Handling Description
46:02 - BALLS Car Handling Description
49:30 - Cornering Forces - Geometric Roll Resistance
55:10 - Looking At The Forces On The Cars
58:56 - Wide & Narrow Hexes, BALLS and NO BALLS
1:02:30 - TLR Combo - WTF?
1:05:28 - Sworkz Combo
1:10:10 - Back to Savoya
1:13:48 - Difference between loose rear and rear end turning
1:14:38 - Watching Savoya at 2013 Euros WITH BALLS
1:19:02 - Savoya MAKES UP a B CHAMPIONSHIP!!!
1:19:23 - Watching Savoya 2019 Montpellier NO BALLS (But rear ball style)
1:23:06 - Watching Savoya 2020 Montpellier NO BALLS KYOSHO
1:24:35 - Watching Savoya 2020 Buggyland NO BALLS KYOSHO
1:28:06 - Watching Savoya 2013 Montpellier WITH BALLS
1:31:50 - How Do We Make The KYOSHO Handle As If It HAS BALLS?
1:32:39 - Less Initial Grip - Offset
1:35:30 - Caster & Kickup
1:36:05 - Ackermann
1:39:28 - Diff Setup
1:48:05 - Anti Roll Bars
1:51:55 - Caster
1:53:05 - Pistons
1:55:56 - THE ART OF SETUP - IT'S ALL ABOUT TIMING
2:01:10 - Upper Links
2:04:05 - SEND NUDES
2:08:35 - JQ's Conclusion Regarding Savoya's BALLS
2:09:07 - Why Savoya Wanted To Run KYOSHO
2:11:35 - What Needs To Happen To stop Savoya From Being DONE!
2:13:25 - Conclusion
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@miguelvelez116 3 жыл бұрын

man this is rc college i appreciate this thank you

@jukiranks 3 жыл бұрын

This video and the one on tuning are the most informative rc videos I've ever seen. This man is like rc jedi.

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

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@mustakimkamaruzaman9715 3 жыл бұрын

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@jerryfrazee4962 3 жыл бұрын

Great job! Please keep the videos coming. The combination of theory and science with the driving videos to show what happens on the track really ties it together. I like your sense of humor too!

@dawsonawe 3 жыл бұрын

A master class. Nice work. I like the format that you have in collaborating with the best drivers out there. Kudos to your guests as well for being open about their setup up and driving preferences. It takes experts as a host and guests to create insight like this. Keep it up.

@wyattgaskins9363 3 жыл бұрын

great video, I understand this video very well coming from an the associated to the mp10. The kyosho works for my driving style which is more based on finding grip throughout most of the turn, not so much sliding. There needs to be a follow up to this after Reno does some testing.

@buggyfanatic4708 3 жыл бұрын

Just finished to watch it and the video analysis were super interesting. Great job JQ and Savoya 👍 I think this tech videos/interviews are a win win for the content producer, the rc community and the rc brand represented by Pro Drivers. Too bad for who is missing intentionally this interesting opportunity of collaboration.

@TheCarTakerGarage 3 жыл бұрын

AMAZING video!!!!The best Rc/setup/1/8th scale/ video i have seen ever.The info is spot on..and the "vibe" of the "talk" is also spot on :) Loved it..and makes me want to get back into Rc buggy driving .Thank you .Greetings from Norway ,Stefan

@rcjerz 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video this was an awesome watch, really enjoy the diagrams and also the talk interviews. It’s refreshing to see both of you talk more naturally. Looking forward to more videos!

@mumuch76 3 жыл бұрын

Always so surprising this Mr JQ, I found it super interesting. Altruistic, proud or thirsty for knowledge, I like it.

@craigromero5921 2 жыл бұрын

JQ Haven't been watching yours videos until recently. All I have to say is keep it up belive or not the rc industry needs your content its great for both beginners and experts also entertaining.

@philfernandez6306 3 жыл бұрын

love the video JQ. I like how you really go in depth on how a pro drives .... very very valuable information. A follow up video from Reno should be awesome (if he runs your setup suggestions). Keep those videos coming.

@benwatson9531 3 жыл бұрын

I was going to work on my MP10 but this video was so good I had to stop and pay attention. Now I’ve got some ideas to try over here in America 😁. Looking forward to a follow up video!

@NeriEngineering-oq6vh 9 ай бұрын

This is a really outstanding explanation. I'm only halfway through but have decided that I will probably need to watch most of your videos before I tackle suspension geometry designs.

@MrLilChilly 3 жыл бұрын

Great video and scientific breakdown of the 2 basic types of chassis suspension. Look forward to the next episode 🏎💨💯👊👊💪💪👍👍

@wilmarfranssen5413 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting video! What was missing in this analysis is the interaction of steer angles of the negative and positive scrub radius. This effects the "jacking". With positive scrub, the jacking makes the inside (read unloaded) contact patch move in z direction, down. The opposite applies to the outside, loaded wheel. This in turn creates a geometric "pro" roll effect in the front axle, which is carried across all contact patches. This in turn creates a greater delta of load on the rear axle from side to side, depending on the roll stiffness. Now with negative scrub, this effect will be reduced or in extreme setups even the opposite. This effects what will happen with the load transfer across the rear tyres. But all these effects are amplified or reduced with higher or lower roll stiffness from both the springs and ARBs. This effect as described above is strongest in maximum steer angle (read mid corner), but will to a lesser degree effect the entry and exit while having lock on the steering. Overall the video is a nice summary, keep them coming!

@Hmaxis 3 жыл бұрын

Great, awesome and super informative video. It is longer, but full of information and i was unable to go out in middle and I must watch it till the end. I am waiting for more videos and for your book, hope it will be released soon.

@rcmindset2876 3 жыл бұрын

The amazing thing about people with ego issues that they can be fired from their own racing team but still have the balls to tell a racer with a job how to drive and how they can improve. If this individual took his own advise he might still have a job. It’s overwhelming how ego can blind people to the point that this video exists.

@brianvierra-gonzalez7465 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks really good information you put out. Made me really think more about my setup and my driving style. Will be changing and testing alot more.

@lesreeder4357 3 жыл бұрын

I found this very interesting, keep it up JQ its really interesting watching and I like they way you present yourself, well done.

@niorevo 3 жыл бұрын

hello, you have already talked about srub radius in the past, and it is a very interesting topic, it is really a pleasure to have you J, who will reveal the hidden secrets of the dynamics of the RC world, keep it up!

@antoniomancino8171 3 жыл бұрын

amazing job! this is what we need, this is what our rc world need...thanks for that, really thanks for all!

@gilbobaggins1545 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video. I love the tech stuff, just wish I could actually understand what the effects of a change have on a car. Looking forward to more like it

@Flygio 3 жыл бұрын

Best explanation ever. You couldn't do this video better.

@gillesfatton 3 жыл бұрын

Great tech talk, with humor and enineering mixed. Good racing videao samples to try to demonstrate. I am amazed. Congratulation !

@theothomavideo 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting video !!! I can’t wait to know Reno Savoya’s feedback. You are doing great mate 💪💪 Keep going.

@tomereitan 3 жыл бұрын

Pure gold. Keep it coming Joseph.

@tartarelaurent4536 3 жыл бұрын

Best vidéo ever!! After see this vidéo, C hub for life for me! Good job JQ ;)

@lillitettrc90 3 жыл бұрын

So interesting! There so many things to try! Thanks for this awesome content JQ! By the way, I think a C-hub car with different knuckles and hubs options front and rear would be awesome so we can play with the feeling of the car.

@darrenjohnston3722 3 жыл бұрын

Another awesome informative video. Keep it up JQ.

@lorentelionel3852 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing video!!! I drive with "BALLS" and I will try your settings.

@buggyfanatic4708 3 жыл бұрын

thumbs up for the Timestamps 👊 ... super useful!!

@rocatoons3713 3 жыл бұрын

@JQRacingtv I can tell that you set the bar for Yt content really high. Please keep it up, this is tremendous stuff! May you be for RC racing, what Malcom Wilson is for rallying. Cheers from Portugal

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. If people support enough on patreon then yes. That is really the only way I can make some money back for all time an effort. I will do this for a year and see.

@rocatoons3713 3 жыл бұрын

@@invisiblespeedrc you said you´re comitting to a year. Well, I´ll support you on Patreon for that amount of time, using this as aditional motivation to support my own weight financially. Nitro burning included xD Keep going at it, I can´t support you the way iI would like to, but I really do believe in your work. Cassius out

@axelowyen1583 3 жыл бұрын

Best video yet. Surprised you didn’t bring up the JQ KPI option parts and how they get you closer to that ball life.

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

I’m just not a very good salesman!

@motoray69 3 жыл бұрын

Cant wait for the follow up!

@nigelw.9043 3 жыл бұрын

Great video with an amazing level of insight into car design, geometry and setup. This is a must watch for any RC Car designer (copy cat) out there. Oh and I realize I am fu$$ed with my TLR 8ight :D

@tacofry4768 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed with the comments here that there's more info in this video than any amount of setup books out there. Always had a dream to create a pillow ball car with more inward shocks to straighten that fulcrum it has, especially on exit. I feel you can afford to gain some front grip coming out of a corner and be able to wind a little extra negative toe on the rear tyres. Just a pipe dream I guess 😅😅

@jaumefiguls8378 3 жыл бұрын

Great video JQ!!

@TheGregoss95 3 жыл бұрын

Really good job This vidéo IS Amazing 👍👏👏👏

@Kutless1308 2 жыл бұрын

This video is absolutely fascinating.

@sebtarta 3 жыл бұрын

JQ thank you so much on these videos! Please keep up the great work. Any chance we will have one about shocks?

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

Yes but not now

@Deathdezine 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks JQ. This made me think about different things to try on my TLR to get more rear grip. When is the JQ The Guide V2 aka “JQ Bible” coming out.

@JhKimble 3 жыл бұрын

Would definitely be fun to see a stand off video C-Hub VS Pivot Ball.

@andriusgedvilas4125 3 жыл бұрын

Super video! I really like "the science mode"!!

@andriusgedvilas4125 3 жыл бұрын

By the way what I missed is which category all other brands fall into: C, Ballz or missmach :)

@JhKimble 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing content... Thank you

@bartementvincent3676 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this Great vidéo. So interesting interview with our amazing national pro pilot Reno Savoya! Can you do the same in French Because your french seems perfect😉 Anyway would be great to have a video from you about disavantages and advantages of c-hub and balls. Greetings from Burgundy in France

@richbc517 3 жыл бұрын

good job joseph for all the insight from the pros..i hope u can interview all the pros from all over the world

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

There are some that I can’t because they don’t want to, and some whose sponsors are morons and won’t let them.

@theothomavideo 3 жыл бұрын

@@invisiblespeedrc which ones ? Elliott Boots ?

@richbc517 3 жыл бұрын

its a top secret for some ...well understood

@ferndiswanso8640 Жыл бұрын

rebound capable steering there was this idea on a street bike I had though there wasn't a stiff spring to act for stability

@jdnic1 3 жыл бұрын

Just raced against an 8ight xe today and it does roast me on turns. Atleast against my 8ight 4.0. and now I know why.

@TruggyDriver69 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video!!!

@Al3xisAE 3 жыл бұрын

We need the follow up balls video.....

@D70racing 3 жыл бұрын

Really great video, tons of insight on setup. Love this type of content and personality I crave more of it. I’ve only driven pillow ball (Mugen) myself, but am really interested in learning more about C hub and the pros and cons to running either. Oh, and I really want your setup book, any info on where and when to get it?

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

Still hoping for before Christmas. Pre orders start soon

@ashermorales8276 3 жыл бұрын

The pivot ball handling is perfect for me. I can enter aggressive by forcing the car to under steer and once the front starts to turn I can get on the throttle and the car will just turn.

@diaz.rodolfo 3 жыл бұрын

More videos like this please!

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

If you like, subscribe and become a patron! 🔥

@melmarks3854 3 жыл бұрын

get it done!

@xXLeCHuGaMeRXx 3 жыл бұрын

this video is so f*cking good. Best i have ever seen

@EmilianoCarlesi 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thanks a lot :)

@spunkysandoval 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic analysis

@testedrc 3 жыл бұрын

the fight between JQ and Reno started from when my front gear box was opened in Worlds Argentina... LOL

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

No it didn’t but that’s where the quote is from

@richadoxley4121 3 жыл бұрын

I found this theory on how pivot ball and c hub cars differ and which way the front wheels try to turn when you accelerate and brake depending on the offset of the scrub radius very interesting. This got me thinking could you do a video proveing this theory by simply disconnecting the track rods and driving the car in a straight line then braking. Very curious to see the results

@grallienpabloll762 3 жыл бұрын

Very good explanation 👏..

@dreja123 2 жыл бұрын

If I understand the pivot ball car needs rear end set in a different way than a C-hub car. And vice versa. But looking at basic setup sheets, Xray has 2019 xb8e buggy with the same rear end setup for both pivot ball and c-hub front end. Do you have any comments on this? Because (unfortunatley) I've got an xb8e buggy with only C-hubs. Any idea what settings could I try to modify? Thanks

@chief19fs 2 жыл бұрын

So just a question I run the old school Ofna pc hyper 7 it has balls front and rear would the effect be the same as you explain where on power wheels want to toe out.. sense balls are in front and back..

@DANDY476 Жыл бұрын

Grande DAVIDE ONGARO ! Dopo Redovan, non esistono altri piloti! 😊

@ChrisVegas1000 3 жыл бұрын

Wow now that was some serious shit , I fucking love it . The way you explained the different options and what they could do are definitely the best I ve ever heard of and seen . Great details of showing the ART of Geometry and what it effects . I need a Beer now and on the weekend I will try some of that stuff on the track . THX JQ the Captain ClubRace is done :)

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

No he is the captain clubrace, I aim higher ☝🏽🤣

@ChrisVegas1000 3 жыл бұрын

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@benchtalkrc6895 3 жыл бұрын

Great video

@ChrisVegas1000 3 жыл бұрын

Yes , Friday is Save for entertainment and grab a beer or two or three

@stanleyw808 3 жыл бұрын

Joe.. How about Narrow vs. Wide inner Rear Suspension Pivot point in relation with the Front Steering assembly Type? AE RC8.2 is going back to Narrow Rear Pivot point.

@LIV3FAST88 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome insight on the two designs, kind of tied together your previous live discussions on the topic.. So if you want the rear to turn less on power with a mugen, what would you do? Wider hex?

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

Will make a video about it next week

@perhaps394 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. My question is , can a kyosho rear end fit a mugen

@tiger200350 3 жыл бұрын

This was actually a great video. So, can one make the assumption that the pillow ball car will allow you to brake later?

@steph8633 3 жыл бұрын

thank you, very interesting! (le bonjour de france Reno ;) ), lol when i think i'm riding a tlr truggy and a team asso buggy it seems like weird after seeing this video :p (I will have to try an asso truggy or a mugen, honestly I really like how the buggy team asso behaves)

@ferndiswanso8640 Жыл бұрын

I'm in the first few seconds and I'm already giggles the kiwi qehehe qhehe

@curtiswong4221 3 жыл бұрын

I love all the tech info JQ! But I think the best part is that you're getting guys on that people think you have a beef with and clear the air. When you getting Drake on?

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

Drake won’t even go on the podcast so probably never. He is a snowflake

@briancarroll6245 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative 👏👍🇮🇪

@muggymaniac 3 жыл бұрын

Good interview! Is there a chance that you can do a video of the science, of the invisible power! Aka! the importance of the clutch and how without the proper set up tune means nothing! That's my theory! Thanks jq your the man!🕵

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe one day

@ferndiswanso8640 Жыл бұрын

can there be an rc track with bind enabled steering wheel and pedal

@techsx 3 жыл бұрын

We are waiting for the next video JQ

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

I just posted one yesterday! Take it easy! lol

@runafre 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing

@ferndiswanso8640 Жыл бұрын

I want a few "pb" mounting points like rods attached to the hub

@lawton70 2 жыл бұрын

Was there ever a follow up video done? It would be interesting to hear his findings from all the suggestions!

@invisiblespeedrc 2 жыл бұрын

No not yet

@toysforboysrc 2 жыл бұрын

I’m electric and not nitro so technique is a tiny bit different…. I LOVE to be able to drift… IMO it gives me a little bit more time to position my car or make corrections while I’m in the actual drift. Just a little throttle or less throttle, more or less steer… while in the actual drift, your movements are a little more forgiving. You may loose time while in the drift but… we also loose time turning early with too much grip and having to re-correct can be more fatal bcs you could end up in an unpredictable place… but a drift.. once your in the drift zone it’s more forgiving… IMO…

@merdith6 3 жыл бұрын

Good guys

@Gregory_P. 3 жыл бұрын

One question regarding rear Mugen arms.why they did go from narrow arms mount -mbx6 to wide ones in mbx7-mbx8?

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

I honestly don’t know

@codywichman213 3 жыл бұрын

Can you do this for more aspects of the suspension and car? This is very interesting

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

Only if you like and subscribe and send me $5 a month on Patreon 🔥🤣👍🏽

@TheBitchSaidSo 3 жыл бұрын

JQ- What are your thoughts of using a harder compound tire on the rear. Wouldn’t it free up the rear ended.

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

But you dont want the front having any more grip also

@diomisisalisandratos8362 3 жыл бұрын

Kyosho just need some kingpin angle. I run my mp10 with 4 degrees and it's fantastic. C-hub is the best but only with kp angle

@diomisisalisandratos8362 3 жыл бұрын

@Gašper Mihelič HB114621 HB109821 HB111739

@diomisisalisandratos8362 3 жыл бұрын

@Gašper Mihelič No problem. How can I find you in FB?

@tacofry4768 3 жыл бұрын

I read eons ago that reno actually grew up filling his diffs with grease? Equivalent to around 50-75k diff fluid. Would probably explain his high entry speeds just to get the car to rotate. I found that fascinating 😂 i read one of his setup sheets from around the Thailand era and it was 50k-50k-20k or something ridiculous 😂😂😂

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

Back in the day people often ran heavier diffs in general. Grease would be the thinnest possible.

@ferndiswanso8640 Жыл бұрын

When was the last time you broke a diff gear

@ferndiswanso8640 Жыл бұрын

what if you had cornering rebound

@ferndiswanso8640 Жыл бұрын

I wanna jump past spacers and use a dial with a spring internally

@ferndiswanso8640 Жыл бұрын

but not in arm movement ? as camber?

@showinUPtoCasuals 3 жыл бұрын

Good shit..

@charlesbonkley 2 жыл бұрын

Being that I have an MP10 and MP10e, this video was freakin' awesome! I need to try to understand the longer rear arm vs. inward rear hub thing vs. thin hex. Savoya is also running a long servo horn, so this may be making the steering too quick causing too much rotation earlier. Just my own village idiot 2 cents.

@Streisnd94 Жыл бұрын

Could you do this analysis for scrub radius and offset in the rear also for the Tekno NB48.2 please? :D

@invisiblespeedrc Жыл бұрын

F*ck tekno. Ask Maifield

@Streisnd94 Жыл бұрын

@@invisiblespeedrc 🤣 wasn‘t expecting that

@charlesbonkley 2 жыл бұрын

2:00:05 - I'd like to hear back from Savoya if he tried the piston combos. I have yet to see a pro setup sheet reference anything other than the seemingly de facto standard of 8x1.2mm + 8x1.3mm. Also, I am curious to know why Reno says that 5x1.5mm is "never fast." Is it because of less pack, so he needs to wait on the car to rebound after landing or something before laying on the the throttle? Furthermore, Kyosho chose to put the 5x1.5mm pistons in the ebuggy only (MP9e & MP10e), as the default, for some reason. I'd like to try to understand why that decision was made by Kanai. IDK, all this shit is so confusing...

@marcosphoto- 3 жыл бұрын

Is Savoya running Kyosho now then? I watched a bunch of 2020 stuff, I don't think I saw a single one being run. Sorry, new to watching RC on TV. I have a question, if Kyosho is such a good buggy - what has happened to it past 10 years? I see less and less people racing with Kyosho, yet people still insist it's a good brand. Even long-term Kyosho racers have dumped the brand for others, so if they are so good - where are they? I have 2 old 7.5 platform cars, trying to decide where my next upgrade lies as I move towards racer.

@benchtalkrc6895 3 жыл бұрын

So if you raise the inside rear link . It pulls the buggy down If you lower the rear link It raises the buggy up Jq ??

@invisiblespeedrc 3 жыл бұрын

If you go to the right position in each direction

@ferndiswanso8640 Жыл бұрын

Linear steering ?