How to Solder half round lead coated copper gutters. norwalk Ct by Franklin custom copper works llc

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How to Solder half round lead coated copper gutters. norwalk Ct by Franklin custom copper works llc

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frankch25

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@denverscott37 2 жыл бұрын

The second pass he's doing is the lacing.. I do box gutters for a living, I solder everyday, first I sweat the seam to draw the solder under the seam, then I lace over top of the seam a second pass, to lace the seam.. Looked like a pro job to me in this video👍👍

@onetwothree4148 Жыл бұрын

Lacing is unnecessary. I rarely see it in historical work. The problem is people like this guy aren't preheating the copper before they drop the solder. He probably has to lace because his joints fail when he doesn't. The solder doesn't bond well to cold copper. Also, if you're not soldering on top of a wood deck, it's faster and better to use a torch instead of an iron. The iron takes several minutes to heat up, then you have to heat the copper up. Ironing is more fool proof though because you can't overheat the copper with it.

@denverscott37 Жыл бұрын

@@onetwothree4148 If it's a fold lock I'll only sweat it, but if I've pierced the metal with a drill for a pop rivet then I'll actually lace it. I think the lacing is more just kinda putting your signature on your work.

@onetwothree4148 Жыл бұрын

@@denverscott37 I mean, thicker solder is stronger. But lacing is mostly cosmetic. I'd rather heat the copper properly on my first pass. I do go back over and add more solder after, if it's a thick joint, but I usually do it evenly, rather than leaving stitches. Some of these videos on here show people stitching dirty copper. That won't be a strong bond at all

@robvigeant464 5 жыл бұрын

Dude, you’re a beast! I am a roofing contractor for 25 years and do most everything but never soldering copper because my skills were needed elsewhere. I am now learning and researching and have an eye and appreciation for good workmanship... you sir are highly skilled, bravo!

@bradywilliams2666 5 жыл бұрын

Clean your iron more often. 1/3 ruby red and 2/3 water solution works great. Also I don't understand the multiple passes. One nice pass that is sweated into the joint is plenty.

@frankch25 5 жыл бұрын

Ok Thanks

@frankch25 5 жыл бұрын

Gracias

@mateisztoika3884 4 жыл бұрын

it is best to use only a very thin row around the pipe and it would be good to bend your soldering hammer so that you can use it as a shovel. and it would be much better to use a collection tube for the outside of the gutter

@kyegebb3735 3 жыл бұрын

What is the end bit called?

@smsmetal 10 жыл бұрын

@ Patrick Martin AGREED !!!!!!!! Soldering 101 ……First day "sweat/sweating" "capilary action" more material to material to soldering copper contact insuring heat transfer to achieve capilary action resulting in a superoior soldered joint. I must say with some hesitation ….? The work & soldering LQQKs better than 75% of whats out there "accepted" as high end work/craftsmanship in todays work force. :-/

@phrodendekia 6 жыл бұрын

Yep. Insctincts say soldering is the way it must be done.

@jfmc2581 5 жыл бұрын

Yep Terrible job! this guy is just gunking the solder globs on the outside!! This is a horrible job!! Looks pretty though kinda like a weld but it didn't get between the metal to form a bond. Amazed that they published this as if it was a good job!!

@jims5656 5 жыл бұрын

google a stitch or lace for solder...rookie comment there dude. the biggest problem in video is lack of pre-tin prep and sweat solder before applying the lacing.

@richardmckuhen6661 7 жыл бұрын

I appreciate your work, but the iron is pulling the solder where the iron goes. The best soldered joints have the solder sweated into the joint, by heating the area beneath the joint. The solder should be flowing under the outlet lip, with minimal solder piled up on the outside edge. Piling solder on top of solder does not improve a soldered sealed joint of metals. It does make the water pond around the outlet though.

@philbox4566 6 жыл бұрын

Put the downpipe drop underneath the gutter bottom too. No need for any solder then. Just dob the rivets and yer golden.

@onetwothree4148 Жыл бұрын

100% correct. They are not heating the copper up enough for it to wick under. His solder should disappear into the seam. Throwing hot solder on cold copper is a cold joint. It is a much weaker bond.

@NETWizzJbirk 3 жыл бұрын

It looks good, but no need for the second pass. I would have fluxed under the lip then heated the copper pipe with a torch and let it pull in under the lip with capillary action (solder follows heat). I would have inspected underneath to verify the solder pulled all the way around. It would have used less solder, too. Personally, I would probably just use a lead-free plumbing solder, but your 50/50 rod is fine too for gutters. If you really wanted something closer to a weldd, I would braze it with SilPhos DynaFlow (Harris) or SilPhos/StaySilv 15%. That said soft solder is plenty good enough. The best soft solder would probably be StayBrite 8, but it’s overkill. For this even a cheap 95/5 plumbing solder would be superb.

@onetwothree4148 Жыл бұрын

Soft solder is better for this because it is slightly flexible. He should have cleaned it and torched it though. Irons are for when you're working above wood that could catch fire.

@onetwothree4148 Жыл бұрын

Also, this video shows you how to make cold joints. He is only heating the solder and he never heats the copper properly. That's probably why he adds an extra pass. The solder does not bond as well if you don't hold the iron on it to heat it up. You can see how the solder bubbles up with ridges where it meets the copper. That's not good.

@robertruizcampwolfden8579 4 жыл бұрын

There ya go now that’s a pro! Just hold that tip there a few seconds longer on each drip to draw them in like tear drops you got it !

@lionelhernandez34 2 жыл бұрын

Been in this industry for a very long time, part of the reason I stick with it is there's so many different ways of doing things. I consider it every learning myself, why a second lap? Not bashing just curious, here in central Texas it's more of a sweat technique. If I had to label yours I'd call it a stitch atop a sweat. For strength I would assume, appreciate you sharing your skill.

@denverscott37 2 жыл бұрын

Sweat and lace , that's how I do my seams in box gutters. The sweat draws the solder under the seam and the lace covers the seams afterwards, just for strength. I also use steel pop rivets on all my seams. .

@lionelhernandez34 2 жыл бұрын

@@denverscott37 definitely nice work, we've always riveted our joints in all honesty galvanized has pretty much been replaced with painted steel and galvalume so we've been using raw or painted stainless to minimize rust. Copper of course is usually stainless or brass mandrel with copper head, so few contractors utilize quality fasteners these days.

@denverscott37 2 жыл бұрын

@@lionelhernandez34 I usually use ReziBond galvanized for pretty much all my metal work. It's slightly easier to use than the heavier guage stuff and I get nice clean bends on the sheet metal break with it. I miss the old terne metal we used to use back when I started 30 years ago. Follansbee was the name of the company that made it. They were in business like 150 years, but they closed up shop and stopped producing it for some reason.

@adamformanack318 2 жыл бұрын

i was trained like this,......hold your breath,...exhaul,.. an make snake skin,...ahahhehe

@frankch25 2 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏👏

@fredflintstone2077 11 ай бұрын

At last, someone who knows the difference between soldering and welding lead.

@larrycrookshanks9091 3 жыл бұрын

Great looking job. The caulk junkies should take the time to learn. Then they wouldn't have to redo it.

@donnies1902 6 жыл бұрын

Your only sweating a 1/4" lip in copper outlets no need for the two passes. 1 pass with the proper heat in the proper place would of done just fine. Every time you move the iron outside the flange of the outlet your just un-sweating the flange weakening it. More solder doesn't mean a stronger joint.

@Astromyxin 4 жыл бұрын

This is what you get when you don't have knowledgeable people who train employees in the correct way to do things, you get baloney like this.

@jamesvertin8676 7 жыл бұрын

copper braiding is good on the Statue of Liberty & on a rooftop chimney caps, but outlets and corners for raingutters are alittle overkill. but still very nice work!

@frankch25 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks 4 all comments. Gracias por sus comentarios. Lo tendré presente

@JCguttersandconstruction 7 жыл бұрын

frankch25 Que clase de material es es que está soldando? Esto es lead coated copper?

@frankch25 7 жыл бұрын

Si es ese material

@dekonfrost7 10 жыл бұрын

yes it is gold soldering i had hoped when you deposited more solder you would go around and let it infiltrate the joint and carry heat..these are the joints that look pretty but are weak and crack in low temperatures..sorry man..you need to ditch that acetylene man

@jodybailey88130 8 жыл бұрын

Very nice job Frank. Where do I get a torch solder iron? Also, What kind of cleaner and solder do you use?

@reychingon74 3 жыл бұрын

Mu gusta como solda compa..yo tambn soldo pero no tan bien como usted..cuestión de practica creo

@larrymaloney877 3 жыл бұрын

Not getting the parent metal hot enough. You are dobbing solder over the seam-not the best.

@MrSolarstu 3 жыл бұрын

I do love the pro's opinions!!

@larrymaloney877 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrSolarstu , I looked around KZfaq and found this example of most excellent gutter soldering. The work was beautiful-hot enough to flow into one continuous stream of molten solder. Until I saw this pro's work I feared copper gutters were too difficult for the process. This spring I'm installing soldered copper gutters and will use this expert video as a guide.

@MrSolarstu 3 жыл бұрын

@@larrymaloney877 Are you telling me that now you like it, make your mind up!

@larrymaloney877 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrSolarstu , sorry, I was commenting on another video-did some editing and changed my meaning accidentally. I've seen worse than this demo, but there is much better which is what I meant to reference. This guy isn't getting the parent metal hot enough for smooth-flowing solder. The metal itself should melt & flow the solder, not the iron. If it won't flow touched against the parent metal-the metal isn't hot enough, Keep in mind, the goal is for the molten solder to flow seamlessly between the two copper surfaces. Sorry for confusing the two. Check out a few more and you'll see the difference. I'm a certified welder, and have soldered for years, but never gutters.

@reychingon74 3 жыл бұрын

Buen video..yo tambn solo chimeneas pero no soy tan bueno como usted, me seria de mucha alluda unos tips

@frankch25 3 жыл бұрын

Buen dia y felices fiestas. Pues aquí estoy para cualquier ayuda amigo

@leandrogomez6609 2 жыл бұрын

Una obra de arte , saludos !!!!

@sweeyong7756 Ай бұрын

Can i use this technique to join the gap seams for stainless gutters? Cheers

@nikond90 Жыл бұрын

Impressive!

@rustygoldfanatic8830 Жыл бұрын

Got to be a Chicano. Takes tons of skills if you dont believe me try it.

@TomCorliss 8 жыл бұрын

Beautiful work, why 2 passes around the downspout ? Your work looks so good I would think the first pass woul do. Thanks for the video

@billray1785 7 жыл бұрын

I would say the 2nd pass was for strength, might be wrong though.

@telosfd 9 жыл бұрын

Really nice traditional job i like it.

@frankch25 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@proffesionalthings2662 8 жыл бұрын

Nice work

@danielsexton902 9 жыл бұрын

Very cool. I don't see many copper gutters in my area. How long of a piece of gutter can you hang at one time? Do you end up soldering on a ladder when you have really long runs? Or is this limited to short lengths and few corners?(I hang 5" aluminum seamless guttering with corners that are sealed with caulking)

@franciscorochajunior 9 жыл бұрын

lindo trabajo Franklin

@frankch25 9 жыл бұрын

Gracias por ver mis videos. Me das un like ,,,,

@frankch25 9 жыл бұрын

Happy new year 4 everybody. 2015

@o.pzindal2104 5 жыл бұрын

Nice

@pigfigjig 3 жыл бұрын

Sweet

@derwikinger_de2903 4 жыл бұрын

Zumindest stehts bemüht :D

@jhanbaldiandbendy8032 6 жыл бұрын

Beautiful work.

@jfmc2581 5 жыл бұрын

beautiful and completely wrong!! Only looks good to People that don't know what they're doing. He is supposed to be bonding the 2 metals not globbing shiny pretty stuff on the outside this will fail and the short time.

@naoufelmelayh240 4 жыл бұрын

THANKS FOR VIDEO what it the material in galvanized metal , ?

@frankch25 3 жыл бұрын

Lead coated copper

@81soriano 8 жыл бұрын

Nice work! I hope you get paid by the hour and not by foot!

@frankch25 8 жыл бұрын

pay by job.

@garagekeys 7 жыл бұрын

Good work, looks great. Is there an epoxy alternative?

@onetwothree4148 Жыл бұрын

For non-built-in gutters, you could perfectly clean the copper and use pure silicone. It will last decades in direct sun. Not as good as solder, but a surprisingly good option for gutters.

@timbuktu5885 3 жыл бұрын

Nice!!!!!

@user-cj7yx5ig4b 5 жыл бұрын

Им что олова больше некуда девать?)

@johnpreston9574 3 жыл бұрын

Richard MCK. You sound like a plumber! What he is doing is leaching and stitching! This has been a tried and proven method for over 100 years!

@stefanegert1752 5 жыл бұрын

Genauso sieht Pfusch aus.Wunderbare kalte Lötstellen.

@kyegebb3735 3 жыл бұрын

What is the end on the torch please? Looking to buy one

@noy_tv2053 7 жыл бұрын

can I ask? what gas you use?

@nebojsastojiljkovic6879 5 жыл бұрын

E tako se to radi!!! A ne sadasnji majstori spajaju sa silikonom!!!

@chrischoat9099 7 жыл бұрын

Hi rally nice job, what spec solder you use and what flux do you recommend?

@frankch25 3 жыл бұрын

Brand: La-Co 4.1 out of 5 stars 24Reviews LA-CO M-A Liquid Stainless Steel Flux Liquid

@originalfallinggirl 2 жыл бұрын

Where can I buy that doodad you use to solder and what gas/solder do i use?

@frankch25 2 жыл бұрын

Metro roofing supplier. Stamford Connecticut

@honorepol5425 3 жыл бұрын

Salut, comment s'appelle cette pane?

@nonodepanamo4933 3 жыл бұрын

Je sais qu en Suisse ils sont tous comme ça les fers à souder très pratique pour les angles notamment

@davidsainteve4927 6 жыл бұрын

Ça ne pose pas de problème à personne ???? Zinc et cuivre..pas bon ménage entre eux....electrolyse.non. Sinon beau travail..belle soudure..

@grugdominus1540 5 жыл бұрын

Le cuivre est étamé , ça se voit mdr

@Ekyneko 5 жыл бұрын

Par contre je comprends pas sa façon de souder mdr

@Ekyneko 5 жыл бұрын

Je suppose que c'est pas les mêmes normes qu'ici

@yanism9409 4 жыл бұрын

C'est du pas du zinc mais du cuivre etamer

@frankables3308 6 жыл бұрын

Looks like galvanized material with a copper Outlet in hangers not good touching each other

@frankch25 6 жыл бұрын

Frank Ables lead coated gutter w/red copper outlet

@granafabrik 8 жыл бұрын

Hallo, ich bin Spanisch in ein paar Wochen habe ich Deutschland verlassen Setter Zink und guttering zu arbeiten, gibt es keine Arbeit dieser Arbeit ??

@frankch25 8 жыл бұрын

Si eres de España porque no escribes español???

@jaym.4611 5 жыл бұрын

Are you using flux or is this more of a silver solder/brazing application?

@frankch25 5 жыл бұрын

Flux.

@frankch25 3 жыл бұрын

Brand: La-Co 4.1 out of 5 stars 24Reviews LA-CO M-A Liquid Stainless Steel Flux Liquid

@astaroth120 5 жыл бұрын

Силиконом замажьте и все дела . Припой этот также самое через годик сгниет и все потекет

@roseshkarate4571 2 жыл бұрын

I WANT PURCHASE

@granafabrik 8 жыл бұрын

Por que pensaba que era un video Alemán y que no sabias español lo siento

@fortunatos4323 4 жыл бұрын

Over kill

@mateisztoika3884 4 жыл бұрын

You are use to much of material for that "welding" only 1-2 centimeters of that bar are enough for that! I'm a gutters and metal roof Master and in that half gutter will stay water because of to much welding an the pipe

@eduinrodesno7841 2 жыл бұрын

Que marca es el tip de copper

@frankch25 2 жыл бұрын

Lead coated copper es él cobre con baño de plomo

@lepadatuchristian6960 4 жыл бұрын

Sorry man but this is wrong in so many ways... I don't know even where to start😰

@frankch25 4 жыл бұрын

Ok let me see your jobs. Show me how to solder 🤧🤧🤧🤧

@user-fd4pv3pj6q 5 жыл бұрын

К етому водостоку еще свенцовую крышу. Я в шоке, какой смысл етих затрат.

@frankch25 5 жыл бұрын

English please

@user-oo5ri7sy2k 5 жыл бұрын

@@frankch25 Херея это все и твой энглишь херня полная😂

@allrad2190 8 жыл бұрын

Kupfer auf Zink löten wer hat dir das beigebracht ?

@frankch25 8 жыл бұрын

hallo Freund . Zink ist nicht das Material arbeite ich .... ist Kupfer Schweißen dieser Art führen haben Kupfer zu reinigen eine bessere Schweiß zu haben

@frankch25 8 жыл бұрын

sorry, wenn in Deutsch falsch geschrieben ...

@michaelzube7977 5 жыл бұрын

Pfuschen hoch 10...sowas geht nur im Ausland😲😲😲

@Gaynaplgujh 5 жыл бұрын

ist alles aus kupfer nennt sich verzinntes kupfer, in .de kann sich das keiner leisten

@lucianoalvarado4839 6 жыл бұрын

Chingon mataran

@frankch25 6 жыл бұрын

Luciano Alvarado gracias pana

@poupsdu7884 5 жыл бұрын

C’est quoi comme panne ? Une faite maison ?

@nonodepanamo4933 3 жыл бұрын

Fer à souder Suisse

@fernandojaviergarciamendoz9824 5 жыл бұрын

Como se llama esta herramienta?

@frankch25 5 жыл бұрын

Hola. No entiendo su pregunta?? Si pregunta por la piedra con la que se suelda. La puesdes conseguir en todo lugar que vendan material para techos y cobre