How To Stub Out PEX Plumbing for PEX-A & PEX-B

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A simple way to stub out your PEX pipes without wasting your money on the "Fancy" Bracket Kits...In my Opinions at least. I've installed several styles of the pre built stub out brackets and it never seems to be a fun process. So I took the matter into my own hands and tried something different and I feel it turned out way more sturdy and saved me time and money.
I'll walk you through the steps I took to make these stub outs Step-By-Step
I'll link below some of the parts I used and I'll also place them in the video incase you want to try this out yourself.
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1" Cabinet Screws:
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@AB-un2yr 2 күн бұрын

The Uponor plastic stub outs/bend supports that snap into the 18 or 24 in. Straps work great. Can rotate the Brasscraft anti-seize angle stops to minimize tension on the supply tubes. The Uponor PEX escutcheons w/ sleeve look nice for toilets and pedestal sinks. No 90’s is nicer too, less parts and failure points. Thanks for the vid.

@FortKnoxCo 2 күн бұрын

I agree. Less connections is better. I used a couple copper 90 transitions for my exterior spigots and I used the plastic bend supports for a couple of the bathroom turns.

@aaronakers3095 Ай бұрын

Well, as a 25 year veteran plumber I just stub out with copper. It looks great and very sturdy. Or, use a pex drop ear 90 then a brass nipple. If the stop valve goes bad on the pex stub out then there is usually no room to get another stop on to make the repair. Just saying. At least he has put hot high and cold low.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I agree, the copper finish looks good. I was considering transitioning to copper with their 90 stub out copper with a sweated PEX fitting on the end. A little more expensive but would be very sturdy since they also have a flange on the top nail too.

@markploof Ай бұрын

Totally agree. Pex coming out of the wall is the cheesiest look there is. It’s not sturdy, they sag. Awful craftsmanship

@ragingrevenge1 Ай бұрын

Im a carpenter and thats how I do it pex valves are garbage. When they go bad, you are ripping drywall open to extend the pipe to put a new valve. Thats just lame

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

@@ragingrevenge1 yep. You have more options when dealing with copper stub outs

@IppiopaidFEEDBACK Ай бұрын

Is it really expensive when you consider the amount of money you’re saving by using PEX?

@johnnovick1643 Ай бұрын

I like your simple way for all the reasons you stated. Makes so much more sense.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Thank you. I appreciate that. I’m sure there’s a couple other ways to make it work. No harm in trying new methods

@TheMixmastamike1000 Ай бұрын

As a carpenter I am impressed with your craftsmanship brother.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I really appreciate that. Thank you

@kennethj.jamrozyii7856 3 ай бұрын

I like that! Looks clean and looks like it works good. I have been trying to find something that works well. Thank You!!

@FortKnoxCo 3 ай бұрын

Thank you. I agree, looks good and works well. Made this faster than trying to mess with the pre-made brackets.

@demordokos Ай бұрын

Just finished rough plumbing a 3500 sq ft home using those exact purple and white brackets. Can confirm, they seriously suck to deal with. Glad to see it wasn't all my fault. Wish I'd seen your vid 2 months ago.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Aww man I can only imagine your frustration. I installed two of them and then started trying my own way. I know mint method here isn’t “the best” but I felt like anything other than those brackets was going to save my sanity

@wilbready Ай бұрын

I use Pex b with the brass fittings and stainless steel crimp rings, have for over 20 years. I really admire your workmanship and explanation on using these black clamp pieces. I ordered 10 from the local Home Depot as your video played. I have a full bathroom and a laundry to plumbing in the next week so the timing is perfect. ~WilPaul

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

That’s awesome to hear. Happy you could find the video helpful. I’ve seen a lot of the pex B being available at most stores, but in our area, they use a lot of PEX A. The expansion over the crimp seems to be preferred by a lot of plumbers because the crimp connections have smaller internal diameters at the joints and fittings, and if you have a long run of water with several connections, it can end up reducing your water, flow and water pressure. So I’ve seen some plumbers have to come in and replace the crimp joints to get better water pressure upstairs at shower for example. Not to say anything is wrong with the other, I’ve just heard some plumbers talk about why they prefer one over the other. I never really thought about it until I started looking at the fittings and realized what they were talking about. It makes sense I guess if you have a lot of water that you need to worry about the water flow way down the line.

@MrItalianfighter1 Ай бұрын

The pex b connections reduce the i.d. the pex a connections retain the same inside diameter, so they have less restrictions in the flow.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

@@MrItalianfighter1 💯

@patriciarobinson3756 2 ай бұрын

Love it. Gonna use this method on my basement bathroom project. Thanks!

@FortKnoxCo 2 ай бұрын

That’s awesome to hear!

@JoDoe9 3 ай бұрын

THank you! Thank You! This is going to help me tons! why didnt i think of this...

@logan9240 22 күн бұрын

The studor vent in the wall is diabolical work

@FortKnoxCo 22 күн бұрын

Haha. Yeah it was a little extra precaution added last minute. There will be a small vent plate in the drywall to allow air flow. There’s a proper vent pipe about 9’ away across the kitchen

@darnellkramer-fitnessfound4064 13 күн бұрын

I just came back from the store with the same idea and items. Thanks for the video! I hate the other "solutions" on the market, they never hold the pipe in place proper.

@FortKnoxCo 13 күн бұрын

I couldn’t agree with you more. Gotta try things yourself if you want something that actually works.

@500goals 3 ай бұрын

This is outstanding. Thank you for sharing this technique. Ive been struggling with those stupid brackets and plastic clamps and wasted so much time trying to tighten that thread. Definitely, going this route in the future.

@FortKnoxCo 3 ай бұрын

That’s awesome. I appreciate that. I’m in the same boat. I won’t be wasting my money on those brackets anymore

@JoDoe9 3 ай бұрын

100% agree

@rogerwhiting9310 Ай бұрын

Nice instructional video. I did my entire house with PexA...Wirsbo back then. Potable wayer and 100percent radiant through 2000sf house and concrete encased basement. LOADS of 90s and some tees...not a single leaker. All the hype of using sweeps instead of fittings for durability and flow doesnt mean a thing if you have good water pressure and flow. Keep the videos coming..I learn a lot from professionals.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I really appreciate that. And I agree, I think PEX A is the way to go. Love how simply and fast it is, but really like you said … it’s very strong and reliable.

@bill-8794 Ай бұрын

Uponor in cold weather is a bear. 2 leaks one project. Watts crimps and a torch to warm pipe... 😂

@FortKnoxCo 29 күн бұрын

@@bill-8794 🤙🏼

@maddierosemusic Ай бұрын

Excellent job, thank you!

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Thank you I appreciate that

@ohspokane 3 ай бұрын

Thank you Bryan/Brian, this is a clever & secure method. My plumber has always suggested to use as less joints as possible & I'd recommend you try the bend supports (pvc conduit or metal braces) instead of the 90 deg elbows in your video. Thanks again 🇺🇸 -OH, Spokane

@FortKnoxCo 3 ай бұрын

Yes , the less connections or hard bends the best. From the water supply to this joint I have only 4 connections in total. I’ve bent the pipes through the ceiling, down the wall and into the pony wall. Unfortunately to make the turn inside this pony wall I’d be stretching the ability of these pipes in the limited space and angle I had to work with. So I cut my losses, literally, and just went with a hard 90 to make the final turn out. But yes I’d recommend always try to create a bend rather than cut and splice. Luckily the PEX A doesn’t reduce size at connections like PEX B does. With PEX B you really need to be careful how many joints you create.

@1mrsleepy1 7 күн бұрын

Thanks for the video bro!

@FortKnoxCo 7 күн бұрын

Your very welcome 🤙🏼

@kathyhathaway8823 Ай бұрын

Great idea . Thanks

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Your very welcome

@budmanzoom4441 Ай бұрын

Fantastic!

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Thank you!

@jcnme 26 күн бұрын

Great Job Brother 👏 👍🏼

@FortKnoxCo 26 күн бұрын

Thank you I appreciate that

@1970Mrscott 2 ай бұрын

I like this way. I'm going to do it

@FortKnoxCo 2 ай бұрын

Awesome! I prefer it now too. Looks clean too I think

@charliebecker2216 Ай бұрын

Nice job I wish I saw this 5 years ago .

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Thank you. Yeah I thought I was being fancy when I ordered the stub out brackets…. But quickly learned I had wasted my money. So I needed to try something else.

@thudang5298 Ай бұрын

Solid! Thank you for sharing. =)

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Your welcome 🤙🏼

@vanvumusic823 Ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Your welcome

@noegutierrez6463 24 күн бұрын

thank u for shearing

@FortKnoxCo 24 күн бұрын

On problem. 🤙🏼

@wjrobertson67 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip. I am replumbing my house due to defective PEX from 2005 era. I’ve had around 8 pipe leaks in 19 years.

@FortKnoxCo 2 ай бұрын

Dang sorry to hear about that. Is it the old pex that has like a metal sleeve inside it? I’ve seen a different PEX type material before from a home around that time and it was very difficult to work with because nothing in stores seemed to be the right fix. After some research Someone told me there was an old manufacturer of a plastic piping that was being used in home for a while but there was something that happened with leaks and they stopped putting it in home and a lot had to be completely replumbed

@wjrobertson67 2 ай бұрын

@@FortKnoxCo it is the non metallic pex but it is a darker red and blue wasn’t available then, cold was white. It springs multiple pinhole leaks when it fails. They are finer than a spiders web. Real garbage.

@FortKnoxCo 2 ай бұрын

@@wjrobertson67 oh wow. Yeah that’s a tough situation. Having to replumb a whole house could be a bit task.

@webcompanion 2 ай бұрын

You sir are awesome and you SOB I knew you were going to suggest the nice and fancy router to flush out those clips. No way for me, and you too.... I would do it exactly as you did. Looks great, works great, and is better than those kits!

@FortKnoxCo 2 ай бұрын

Haha. Yeah I feel ya on that. I appreciate it man. Happy you found the video helpful 🤙🏼🤙🏼

@Matt-my7pz Ай бұрын

Haha lol!

@johnflannery4815 Ай бұрын

Looks good and will work well. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Pex A stub outs. I have had more trouble replacing old copper that develops pits and holes, especially in 1 1/2” to 2” copper lines.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I agree. I don’t mind PeX as a stub out . I get what people are saying as far looks n stub but I don’t really care. Looks fine to me. 🤷🏼‍♂️ and I love how easy and efficient PEX A is to work with.

@discoveryman59 Ай бұрын

Rodents LOVE PEX!!

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

They say it tastes like chicken 🍗

@seanm3226 Ай бұрын

If rodents are eating your PEX, you don’t have a plumbing problem. Rather a rodent problem.

@khmerohio Ай бұрын

Kool ❤

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

🤙🏼 thank you

@IppiopaidFEEDBACK Ай бұрын

I think you did a great job on the execution and this is a great how to video for what it is you’re doing. You couldn’t pay me enough money to do that, I wouldn’t want my name attached to it. You are ready getting away with not having to use copper through the whole house, why are we compound in the cheapness and laziness by doing stub outs like that? There’s really no excuse for this, but you give people an inch of cheapness they want to take a mile! But I have to admit that I’m in the wrong, because whatever is cheap and fastest is the correct way in the US (in North America).

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I hear what you’re saying. It’s definitely better to transition to copper on the way out. Believe it or not There are million dollar home builders running PEX but also stubbing everything out of the wall with PEX. It seems to be a standard of practice out here with some builders. I get what you’re saying, I appreciate it.

@Spacecadet0730 3 ай бұрын

Copper pex stub out looks much better and just requires a few screws into a brace. Its also only $7. You have a more durable stubout(metal) and less fittings to fail.

@FortKnoxCo 3 ай бұрын

In my opinion the whole point of PeX is to hopefully avoid copper fitting all together. These PeX A fittings have shown to have some of the highest rated pressure tests done before seeing any failure. And there’s no torches,solder,flux,etc. Quick, easy and no flames or copper compression fittings. Where I did transition to copper was the stub outs for the exterior hose bibs. When exposed to the weather and sunlight I’d recommend not having a PEX stub out. lol. Might not last long out here in the Vegas sun.

@JoDoe9 3 ай бұрын

yeah PEX seems to be the way to go when you can. much much easier and i haven't had one leak on me yet

@jonathonfrederick2062 Ай бұрын

@@FortKnoxCo a pex to copper stub out doesn't require any torches, solder or flux

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

@@jonathonfrederick2062 you are correct.

@GonzaHero 2 ай бұрын

Dude, where do you live? I need to hug you for this 😂

@FortKnoxCo 2 ай бұрын

Well you’re very welcome sir. I felt like there had to be a better way, and once I figured this out I thought I should share it with the world. 🤙🏼

@alvinsaulsberry398 24 күн бұрын

Man" really good idea

@FortKnoxCo 24 күн бұрын

I appreciate that. Gotta be creative sometimes.

@Ramdodge582 24 күн бұрын

that's the proguard stub out kit, it's under 7 bucks. it replaces 2 90 degree fittings, 2 bucks each and 4 rings, 0.25 each, and 2 2 supports, about 0.20 each. that's just over 5 bucks total. plus the 2x4 and most importantly the time. if your having a hard time with those just use a bend support for wood. it's under 2 bucks, no adding fittings and is way faster to install. check out holdrite item 705.

@FortKnoxCo 24 күн бұрын

That some really good info. Sometimes it’s just fun to create. I mainly just tried this out of frustration with the other brackets.

@rikkicanbuild9964 Ай бұрын

About to make the decision on how to approach the stub outs on my project, this may be the winner 🏆

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Nice! It’s just one way to get it done. I’ve thought of a couple other way to accomplish the task. Gotta be a little creative sometimes

@hectorcardenas6616 16 күн бұрын

It does look very clean. My question is, how is it going to hold anything you attach on the side?

@FortKnoxCo 15 күн бұрын

I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Once drywall is up the ends of the two ways lines will be cut and a 1/4 turn shut off valve will be connected to the end. Same process with PEX. They connect very easily and will have no problem being supported by this set up.

@KarasCyborg Ай бұрын

The supply house cautioned me to allow the pex pipe to flex in the wall. Any sort of rigid clamping them down will eventually result in a hole being rubbed into the pex pipe resulting in a leak. So my plan was like others said ... to stub out with copper and connect pex to the back.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Good idea. Transitioning to copper would be a good practice

@jerzeedivr Ай бұрын

Pex drop ear 90* with Brass or copper stub out is my way. Easier for future service!

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Yeah that’s a good way to do it. It’s nice having the copper coming out.

@ragingrevenge1 Ай бұрын

Thats how i do it as well. Brass drop ear elbow and a brass nipple. Not a fan of pex angle stops

@bill-8794 Ай бұрын

Yes

@jasonhaynes2990 26 күн бұрын

I wish I could post a pic in the comments, but I always use a brass drop ear( PEX type ) screw it to a wood block, then finish out with a 4” Crome stub out 1/2 MIP thread on each end ,and a quarter turn valve, do any other contractors use that method? A commercial plumber showed me how to do it that way 🤷‍♂️

@FortKnoxCo 26 күн бұрын

Yeah transitioning to the copper 90 out the wall is a really good way to go. It’s very common. I do that with my exterior hose bibs. Don’t want pex sticking out the wall and sitting in the sun all day.

@homecraftsolutions3506 Ай бұрын

Good job of explaining a better, cheaper way. I also wish they would bring a code requirement for homes in dry, hot climates to do away with the brackets that put a curve in the pex to make a 90 degree turn. It seems like a good idea and avoids another fitting but over time this plastic dries out and a crack develops in the outside corner. I live in phoenix and have had to replace these curves with fittings.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

That’s a good point, never thought about the dry heat weakening the stressed bends. I know less connections is usually better. But then you have stressed bends where people are trying to make it work at its limits.

@homecraftsolutions3506 Ай бұрын

I suppose you could heat the pex up to take the bend without so much stress, but that in itself could compromise the integrity of the plastic.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

@@homecraftsolutions3506 yeah exactly my thought. I wouldn’t want to use heat on these to make it move. Probably advised against somewhere in the manual

@paul.tinsley Ай бұрын

they are such a pain in the ass, slowed me way down using them on my last project

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Yep. Beyond frustrating to mess with.

@jayinmass Ай бұрын

I like this idea/way to support pex stub out, but wondering why you are using a pro vent on new construction?

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I have the vent there just as an added vent. It’s a kitchen peninsula and the drain pipe has a vent about 9’ away in and adjacent wall. Should vent fine with the vent that’s in the wall down the line but added this just to do a little extra. I didn’t run a vent loop at the time the cement was poured and the ditches layout changed as I started framing everything out

@steveprice5664 2 ай бұрын

Do you have a link for the plastic clamps? The link you've given isn't for a different type of support.

@FortKnoxCo 2 ай бұрын

I have the clamps in the product links on the video. Should take you directly to it. If you see during the video or when you look at the video product links it’ll show several. They are the 1/2” grip right’s

@user-om8pt1wq3r 3 ай бұрын

I was wondering if those plastic anchors that you were putting into the 2 x 4 to hold the pecks pipe, if they were a two piece with a tapered cone that when you screwed them into the 2 x 4 do they clamp down onto the pecks pipe, or are you relying on the 5/8 hole for resistance

@FortKnoxCo 3 ай бұрын

The plastic clips have two small tabs molded into the cylinder part that apply slight pressure as you push the pipe through. The resistance you get is from the plastic piece. Not the wood. The 5/8 hole technically doesn’t grip it at all. It just prevents it from wiggling much if pulled laterally. But you could drill the larger hole all the way through and get basically the same fit.

@rogerhunter5404 Ай бұрын

@@FortKnoxCo I was wondering why you stepped down the size of the hole on the blocking since it was only for a fraction of the thickness. I probably wouldn't take the time to change bits for the back side. But I still have it stuck in my head that holes should be big enough to allow for "wiggle room" to reduce the chances of noise -- from copper. 🙂 Unrelated, I sure hope that in two or three decades from now, we don't learn of any issues with PEX like the ones that came up with polybutylene. What a dang fiasco that stuff turned out to be. In my previous house (that had nothing but PB), i cut open every wall that had supply pipes, and replaced all of them with copper. For work that I perform myself, I still use copper, if for no other reason than because I like the "puzzlework" of sizing and fitting all the pieces together, and I enjoy soldering them. If it was something I did every day, I'm sure that would get boring (and costly) fast. Btw, thank you for this video. I enjoyed watching it.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

@@rogerhunter5404 I sizes down to help keep everything snug. But you’re right, you could probably just stick with the one size hole. As far as using copper I enjoy it too. I think it’s fun working with the fire and soldering everything. It looks really good too. But yes I’d say for the new technology and speed of work and cost… PEX is where it’s at right now. I really do hope they don’t have something like the PB you’re talking about. I had some of that in my second house, a nightmare to deal with. Luckily we didn’t have any big leaks. Just in an area we could fix pretty easily. Ever did get it all replaced though 😬

@jaidillon1790 23 күн бұрын

Drop ear with metal stub out seems a better solution.

@FortKnoxCo 23 күн бұрын

That’s a good way to go too.

@jayworley1583 8 күн бұрын

I like it. Looks like you stubbed in @ a 2x6 stud. Why would you not go ahead and use 90 degree tubing supports on the back side? I'm not a professional plumber, but I'd want to cut down on the number of fittings as much as possible. Just a thought.

@FortKnoxCo 8 күн бұрын

Your right. You could use a 90 turn support to eliminate the extra fitting for sure. Would be hard in a 2x4 wall

@bobdelaune1881 Ай бұрын

Flanged stubout with a 1 3/8" hole drilled into a 2x4. 2x4 is for your waters and you can do a 2 hole strap on the underside for your drain and you'll be looking professional. Nothing more shitty than openjng a cabinet and seeing plastic water pipe.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I feel ya 🤙🏼 there’s always a good , better & best way for sure.

@JAYY_JAYY 3 ай бұрын

Me personally I plan to install a manifold and go straight from manifold to fixture . No fittings in the wall .

@FortKnoxCo 3 ай бұрын

If you can make all the bends and sharp turn outs to your fixtures then that would be a nice set up. Less cuts and connectors the better. But usually to turn even the flexible PeX pipe in a 2x4 or even 2x6 wall is super tight. But there’s lots of options out there

@tonystafano4028 Ай бұрын

May have already been asked but as far as flushing up for sheet rock, why not turn board around and have plastic inserts on the inside of the wall?

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I guess that would be possible. But the grip on the small tabs on the inside of the plastic clips might not grab as well. May be able to push the pipes back into the wall easier will less resistance. I believe they are angled to allow to push through and give resistance on the reverse

@maddierosemusic Ай бұрын

No problem with the plastic 90's vs. the brass fittings? I have to do my house and not sure if the plastic ones are ok. Thanks.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Yeah, the plastic ones were just fine. Most of the fittings that you’ll find in stores that are plastic are rated. The brass ones are nice, but obviously a lot more expensive.

@paulbrunner72GenX Ай бұрын

Don't do it. Transition to a drop ear 90 with threads. Put in a threaded nipple, I use stainless myself & cap it. Easy to bleed air/ water off each branch for testing. And the MAIN reason is using threaded angle stops at each sub out. I use 1/4 turn stops. You can replace these stops many times thru the years during the life of the building. This is the absolute best solution for long term maintenance by a homeowner. Side note: the holdrite straps are difficult to slide thru by design, water hammer is a VERY REAL thing. That pipe sliding 1/32nd or 1/128th will be a problem that with all those points in the system, can turn into a serious leak at any one of them. Pipes shouldn't move, except if you put in a planned expansion loop which houses really don't need. Add water hammer arrestors at the lavatories, washer, kitchen sink, any sink. Many old timers in the trades will gladly give advice for free..... nothing better to do. New products are great but principles of engineering & practical field problems remain.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I really appreciate all the great info. I agree. There is a good , better and best way to do things. Always try to go that extra mile, even if it costs you a little bit more, could save you a huge headache and bill later.

@pashad3681 Ай бұрын

The idea behind is to go fast installation this 2 x 4 making the holes take a lot of time

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Understandable, but the reason I tried this out is that I found myself wasting more time and pain trying to install the stub out kits. They are more trouble than they are worth in my opinion. And they aren’t very sturdy sometimes.

@turboflush Ай бұрын

Does the grip actually grip? Or is it just a grommet? I still prefer copper stubs.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

It grips pretty good. If you push hard it can slide some. But if you use one of the clamps/nail downs to hold you can prevent that. Just depends on how you’re setting it up in your wall. But I agree, transitioning to copper is nicer.

@jeffreyplumber1975 Ай бұрын

only one minor issue youve got 4 places for leaks compared to using bends. The copper stubs are very popular , but I figure if you trust Pex you dont need copper stubs. perfect stud bays help, no vent pipes a repipe under a cabinet this method might be difficult. but thats a clean way to install , certainy would work the same with a stout bracket and a drop ear suspension clamp (18 cents each) plus the stout bracket

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Great info! Thank you!! Yeah I’m sure there’s a several ways to accomplish this. I just wanted to share a method I used after messing around with the expensive brackets.

@daktusdurggery5505 5 күн бұрын

With your way, I am trying to not have joints behind the wall, how would you do this using a bend in the pex instead of a joint?

@FortKnoxCo 4 күн бұрын

You can use the 90 bend brackets that help hold the PeX, you just need the room in the wall to be able to accommodate to the radius of the bend. Usually they only work inside a 2x6 framed wall and you will have that PEX line come down and towards one edge of the wall so it can safely bend and shoot 90 to the other side. So it takes up a lot more clearance inside the wall. But it can be done

@daktusdurggery5505 4 күн бұрын

@@FortKnoxCo I’m in a 2x4 wall :/ thanks though

@daktusdurggery5505 4 күн бұрын

@@FortKnoxCo otherwise I’m stuck using the bracket you have stating is difficult?

@FortKnoxCo 4 күн бұрын

@@daktusdurggery5505 in my opinion the brackets are difficult to work with. You can get it done but they are as innovative of a help as they lead you to believe. They could be designed better and more sturdy. But having a connection behind the wall isn’t such a bad thing if you have to do it. They are plenty of connections that are made within the system. Obviously the less the better. But these PEX connections are very dependable in my experience. So it’s whatever works for you and your budget. There’s many way to accomplish the task.

@coldwarveteran4239 Ай бұрын

The best I’ve seen on PEX is NO connections inside the wall. Make home runs from a manifold, use the snap on 90 to support and hold the bend. I never understand why plumbers still run Pex like they are installing copper. The sloping 90s reduce turbulence and noise. Home runs mean no connections between the manifold and the fixture. You can isolate a line by turning the valve at the manifold vs Turing off the entire house. PEX installed right is beautiful and extremely reliable. All those connections are what creates the problems.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I agree. Less connections the better. I haven’t messed with manifolds recently, but the ones I’ve seen and had to repair or work on were nightmares. The manifolds in the past weren’t the best and have been headaches, known to leak and when they fail you have to usually replace the whole manifold. And they aren’t cheap and for a while have been hard to get. I don’t know if any of that has changed as of recent years, but isn’t very common now a days here with building new homes. It’d be nice if they came back with new up to date manifolds and products. I gotta do some research 🧐

@coldwarveteran4239 Ай бұрын

@@FortKnoxCo Supply House has some I was considering. They are copper , not plastic and you can use real brass 1/4 turn valves in them. I’m planning to add some new lines for outside water spigots. The professional plumber’ that did my house put the existing outdoor spigots as branches off a main domestic water distribution using PEXB. I want to install whole house water filter. His piss poor planning would have all my garden hose water filtered. AND he didn’t put shutoff valves for the MB tub supply. To work on it the new plumber had to turn off and drain the entire house. I installed a ceiling access panel under the tube and shutoffs on the lines. Little things that would make servicing a lot easier. FYI I only hire this stuff out because my body is too old to do that work anymore.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

@@coldwarveteran4239 aw man what a headache. But sounds like you got it figured out. Even if your not doing it yourself you have the knowledge to make sure your asking the right questions and seeing what’s being done but the “professionals” so you can catch stuff before it’s a bigger problem or that’s it’s just done way you’d like it. We have a whole home filtration system and love it.

@bill-8794 29 күн бұрын

@@coldwarveteran4239 The trick is to spend more money than you did. Pay for a professional design.Review the design and pay for the review time and then sign off on the design.And you'll have exactly some exact plumbing set up that you want and it will cost you far more than you pay for what you have in your house.Now that you are not happy with. Try it that way next time you build a house.

@coldwarveteran4239 29 күн бұрын

@@bill-8794 the house was already built buy a custom builder. ‘ Professional plumber’ Yes they do cost a little bit more . But then the plumbers complain if pex leaks at one of their joints. And blame it on the manufacturer. My previous house did have a leak that developed at 3 years. The manufacturer paid to fix it BUT commented that if the PEX had been run per guidelines it wouldn’t have happen above a ceiling.

@freddie966woo Ай бұрын

Wudnt it be faster just to use 2 pipe clamp on top of that 2x4?

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

You could use the clamps is you can configure the pipes so they aren’t touching and you can get your lay out right

@nicholaslacovara2381 Ай бұрын

What if you just use a 5/8 hole in the wood?

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

You could do that but might get more play with the pipe. The clips are made exactly to the size of the pipe and have little tables inside that help grip to help with the pipe moving forward and back as well as side to side.

@Ramdodge582 24 күн бұрын

what's the remodel vent doing in the wall?

@FortKnoxCo 24 күн бұрын

The remodel vent was just added there as a extra. There will be a vent access in the wall, so it will have airflow. But really it was just a precautionary measure. There is a true vent down the line about 9 feet away, but it’s not directly vertical above this sink, so it should drain just fine and have plenty of ventilation, the remodel vent was placed there

@FortKnoxCo 24 күн бұрын

But good eye, it’s sort of one of those pictures where they say hey, what here is out of place.

@dregs8026 Ай бұрын

Not sure my inspectors would approve the wood on PEX without an isolator to protect the PEX from rubbing. I prefer to stub out with copper using premade copper stubout x pex adapter.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Yeah, that’s one of the reasons that I use the clips. It helps protect it from being indirect contact with the wood. I’m not sure if the inspectors would fail just on that, but it definitely doesn’t hurt. I like that the clips are made specifically to the diameter of the pipe and it gives it a little bit of grip as well. All my other pipes pass through have foam spray to help isolate them from any movement throughout the house.

@scarscar2771 28 күн бұрын

Nice. Needs a better way to be flush though. Router is too time consuming. Maybe someone makes a round stub out sleeve so you can just drill countersink the flange.

@FortKnoxCo 27 күн бұрын

Yeah that would be nice if someone made that. Hopefully there will be more options coming out as time goes on, cuz these metal suspension brackets are no good.

@thomasschafer7268 Ай бұрын

Nicht schlecht. Aber habt Ihr keine Wandscheiben? Ohne das sich die rohre verschieben. Auch für spätere Eckventile!!!

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Ja, es wird auf beiden Seiten Paneele oder Trockenbauwände geben. Und sobald die Trockenbauwand installiert ist, werde ich die Eckventile oder Absperrventile installieren. Ich muss jetzt alles offen lassen, damit der Prüfer es sehen kann, bevor ich alles verdecke.

@mikes1292 Ай бұрын

Hopefully the drywall guys are using 3/4 inch screws 😜

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

With the 2x4 they have 1-1/2” of wood, plus the drywall, plus the pipes area running right up against the 2x4. And throughout the walls I have nailing plates anywhere the pipes are passing through. Should be good to go 🤙🏼

@brokedude9999 Ай бұрын

Question: Why not just drill a 5/8" hole all the way thru and skip the plastic insert? The insert still has play in movement. The whole point of it, was to be a secure anchor for the plastic pipe. That's not been full achieved.... The hole was a snug enough fit, by itself. It the insert doesn't lock it in, then a snug fit in 1 drill bit is sufficient to the alternative, in terms of outcomes

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

The plastic clips are pretty snug as they are made for the pipe and they have little tabs inside that push against the pipe as you push through and it does give it some resistance. So it’s pretty tight with now play. As far as just putting the pipe through the wood with no clip, for a stub out the inspector may not pass it since the pipe has direct contact with the wood, it’s not very snug, does have some wiggle and the wood can be abrasive, overtime with turning water on and off could wear through the pipe. So usually they want to see some type of isolation of the plastic pipe.

@AJamesCo 3 ай бұрын

I hate those stub out kits. This is much better.

@FortKnoxCo 3 ай бұрын

I appreciate that. I had so much trouble with them. And even when you get it all put together it’s not really that sturdy. The thin metal is flexible and not very rigid even when screwed in. This method I think saves money and your sanity

@JoDoe9 3 ай бұрын

they are a pain in the butt. flimsy too

@ragingrevenge1 Ай бұрын

I use brass drop ear elbows with a brass nipple. Not really a fan of pex angle stops

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I agree

@steventhury8366 Ай бұрын

How do you terminate the pex on the finished side of the wall? Don't want pex showing in finished product.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

They sell different finish caps and fittings that go along with the shut off valves. Similar to the circle finish plates you usually put around plumbing when it stubs out of the wall, but it has a piece that covers and conceals the pex. Gives it a full finished look. This being under the counter I’m not too worried about itchy, but next to a toilet and stuff like that I may use the better finishes

@stephonnohpets Ай бұрын

Cool alternative but my goal when using pex is to avoid any extra joints to avoid flow slowdowns. That wasn't a good pex support product and they have better ones out there. I obviously like the pex bend supports better but that's just my 2 cents.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Yeah, I agree too. The less joints the better. I had used a couple other bends and it worked out. But with the angle and space I was working in within this peninsula I was just trying something different. I’ll probably try a couple other brands out there and then when I need to, I’ll just make my own lol

@elbuggo Ай бұрын

You are among the few who are on the right track.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

@@elbuggo 💯 🤙🏼

@DPMechanical1 Ай бұрын

Install a drop ear and stainless steel nipple out

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I agree. Transition to copper 90 for stub out if able too.

@ohokayofficial 2 ай бұрын

0:41 - *You can get these 90’s, so this is a bendafit* Get it? 😂

@FortKnoxCo 2 ай бұрын

Nice! 🤙🏼🤙🏼

@johnbocum7591 Ай бұрын

Put the grip on the other side, then it is flush on the front with no extra work

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Good tip! I like it.

@RJ-cc1fz Ай бұрын

Impacts are not for drilling holes. They are for screws.. as for the stub out I just use a regular crimp on 90 and staple the pex to the stud.. secure enough to get drywall measurements.. what am I missing?

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I don’t know about you, but I’ve seen impact drivers use for many different things. They work wonders when drilling these holes with this type of bit. I’ve seen standard drills bog down and not have enough torque to get through the wood sometimes when drilling large holes. I wouldn’t use a impact driver on a whole cutting saw But for these bits, they work great. But again there’s all kinds of uses I guess. As far as the plumbing portion, I would always prefer a joint or PEX A over a crimp joint. The crimp connections usually have smaller diameters on the transitions and that reduces your water flow over the length of the waterline. They’re also a mechanical squeeze that can sometimes loosen or leak more likely than a expansion connection. The ring on the expansion (PEX A) has a memory and is basically forever trying to squeeze back down to its original size. And the connection pieces are the true diameter of the pipe opening. So the pipe goes over the connection joint and never actually reduces it in diameter. But again, there’s many ways to do these things, to get to the overall goal.

@RJ-cc1fz Ай бұрын

@@FortKnoxCo drilling holes is harder on the impact will where out the impact much faster than screws, unless ofcourse your using the impact for lags, but then I larger 1/2” drive impact should be used for lags anyways.. I understand the crimps are not as good as expansion. If that was the basis of your video I would have simply agreed. However your video was about the stub out, which btw your way of doing it is much better than the metal bracket imo, however I still see it as being way more complicated than necessary. I simply secure the vertical pex to the stud with those plastic hanger things that have a nail in them. or secure the pex to a horizontal 1x4 if the studs are not close enough to the correct location. Yes it doesn’t look as good but it holds to get th3 drywall holes in correct location and then it’s covered by drywall

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

@@RJ-cc1fz yeah I get what you’re saying. I use the impact for a lot of different stuff and it seems lately. But I only have one impact and I have a couple drills always on standby. If you have the ability to, it’s nice to be able to go from one to the other whenever you need it. I think one reason I chose the impact on this was because I know it would drive through the wood well and the spade bits leave a flat bottom with a centered cone where the threads are, so when I drill out the enter it helped align the next bit. I use those nail down pex clamps all the time. Super useful. I have done that as well and they hold very strong.

@davidfrankhauser1666 Ай бұрын

Why not just use a bit sized for the OD of the pipe? No addition expense for plastic parts, no drilling two separate holes, saves four screws and several minutes of labor.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Because the fittings are exact and they also have little tabs that apply slight pressure to the pipe to grab onto it. When you’re drilling a hole through the wood, you’re always gonna have some type of play down and try to squeeze it through so that you have some type of grip. Either way there could be a couple different ways to accomplish this. I was just trying to think outside the box rather than the store-bought brackets that seem to be a huge headache.

@Whosurdaddy71 Ай бұрын

When pipes heat up they move and squeak on wood

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

@@Whosurdaddy71 good point. Having the plastic clamp peace helps insulate the pipe from the wood and would prevent that problem too

@brianb9410 Ай бұрын

I am building a house and simply stuck the PEX through a 5/8” hole in the 2x4 much like brian did, just without the black clips. Seems to be a simple and effective solution. Brian is a craftsman and has done excellent work.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

@@brianb9410 I appreciate that. There’s lots of ways to get this done, this is merely a suggestion. I’m sure there will be a situation I come across in another build where I’ll have to be creative with it and come up with a different solution that works.

@leestebbins5051 3 ай бұрын

Your 5/8 hole on the back of the blocking could abrade your pet over time and cause a leak.

@FortKnoxCo 3 ай бұрын

It’s not squeezing it has a light space. The grip is coming from the Grip-right clip in the front.

@leestebbins5051 3 ай бұрын

@@FortKnoxCo with use the pipe will move, over the course of years a hole will abrade from the movement against the wood.

@FortKnoxCo 3 ай бұрын

@@leestebbins5051 I see what you’re saying. In almost all PEX installations they drill through studs and top plates to run the lines and they all rest against wood at some point. I wonder how much that’s become an issue for installers and in what time frame.

@leestebbins5051 3 ай бұрын

@@FortKnoxCo The front edge of the installation has a smooth bushing, that would be a best practice.

@davidfrankhauser1666 Ай бұрын

Which is harder and would be more abrasive, pine or plastic?

@bluearcherx Ай бұрын

lol this guy talking like an expert while he gets ready to put an AAV in the wall 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

The AAV was an afterthought when the floor plan for the kitchen started to change after the slab was already poured. And the wall will have access behind the dishwasher for air flow. It has a vent near by but just added the AAV as an extra measure.

@franksmith3602 Ай бұрын

There a cheap way to plum a bath room, use a bucket in a rope.. I was snapping cast iron , pouring hot lead joints in the 70s, . A good way to , plum , kitchen and bathrooms, just buy the copper, put the air hammers up the wall. Then go cheap if you have to and use , pexs as your feed lines, and guys, insulate the lines stop screwing customers. And copper up and out of hot water heaters. Real valves. Give the customers a couple of extra shut off.. valves . top floor, ECT. And what's up... With fake plumbers, doing waist lines, who don't even know the slope has to be what it is...wow,...

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I agree. There’s good, better & best ways to get the job done. And somewhere in there is the proper way. I like using copper on stub outs where I can, especially when it’s going to be seen a lot. And I also agree with adding some shit off valves to help the home owner help themselves when having to fix or add things themselves. Go the extra mile.

@unnitocases4174 2 ай бұрын

This is a innovative but a bad idea for 2 reasons. 1. The pex is still loose inside those collars. 2. There is no way to test for leaks because the ends are not plugged. Easy cheap solution is to use the copper 90 degree stub out kits. The kits keep your pex secure, and are plugged to test line for leaks. After testing, just cut the ends off and use compression valve

@FortKnoxCo 2 ай бұрын

I see what your saying, if your worried about the lines pushing back, you can nail the PEX hold down to the wood bracing, on the back of the set up. Easy fix. And obviously they are stable laterally. And with being plugged….you just put a plug in the line at the end. They make packs of PE plugs and that’s usually what everyone does when installing PEX in our area. Lines are ran all the way out and stubbed and plugged. The copper turn outs are nice, I used those on the stub outs for the exterior for the hose hook ups. Don’t want the sun & weather beating down on PEX fittings outside. So I’d always transition to copper for exterior

@unnitocases4174 Ай бұрын

@@FortKnoxCo . I used your method of stub out. you could also use sharkbite valves as plugs for testing. Remove when installing drywall and reinstall valves after. Thats what I did anyway.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

@@unnitocases4174 that’s actually a really good idea. I can’t believe I didn’t think about using shark bites to cap the lines temporarily. I installed a plug and then you have to cut it out afterwards and it’s kind of a waste. Maybe in the future all use Sharkbite plugs and that something that I can always go back to. Great idea.

@tedmcnair9709 Ай бұрын

Code violation in the wall with that vent buried.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

You are correct. Not supposed to be inside the wall. But this sits behind the dishwasher and I was planning on having a small screen/vent behind the dishwasher for air flow. Was just trying to be a little creative with it. We’ll see how it works out. It doesn’t NEED the AAV but I added it for extra measure.

@ike7933 Ай бұрын

You created more connections in your pex … (That could potentially leak)….Bending the pipe is better

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

There’s pros and cons to everything. One extra connection isn’t too bad. In a lot of cases I’ve seen plumbers just use a 90 turn on every stub out or change of direction. I agree you should try to limit the number of cuts/connections and hard turn when possible. This video I’m just showing a different way to stub out. Several ways to accomplish the job however you prefer.

@allyal7189 Ай бұрын

Never listen to a someone who uses a studor vent 🧐

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Spot on 🤙🏼🤙🏼

@armandoavila7079 Ай бұрын

It's a no go. No acoustical wood againt pipe no thanks

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

@@armandoavila7079 technically it’s being held and suspended by the plastic clip. It’s a close fit through the wood by the plastic clip made for PEX is what’s holding it. Thats one of the reasons I used the clips, didn’t want it going through wood. But also when running pex they secure it and lay it along wood all the time as it runs through the house and ceiling. Also while passing through walls, it’s running straight through wood. So it must not be too much of a concern 🤷🏼‍♂️ but I still foamed around the wood wherever the PeX passes through the wood anyways

@the_stixXx 22 күн бұрын

I'm still lookng for a good plumber. One that isn't a slob, actually shows up and doesn't try to charge $400/hr. Seriously the worst trade to deal with.

@FortKnoxCo 22 күн бұрын

That’s sometimes the motivation to learn some of these skills. Thats been my driving factor, save the money doing it myself and sometimes the time as well.

@nightnightjd5733 29 күн бұрын

How about, don’t stub out pex at all, ever, so you won’t be a hack 👍🏼

@FortKnoxCo 29 күн бұрын

I appreciate the comment. Boosting that algorithm 🤙🏼

@bend9335 18 күн бұрын

Ever seen copper pipe after running water with hardness of 101 GPG for 15 years? I have. Several slab and connection leaks and a massive bill. Pex stub outs aren't a hack, copper stub outs are a liability...

@FortKnoxCo 18 күн бұрын

@@bend9335 I kinda agree with this. Pex is obviously a newer material and there’s a lot of old school though on how things are done. I think you could justify uses in different situations for either. But I see a lot of benefits with PEX

@daleon96 Ай бұрын

I never stub out with pex... I only stub out with steel nipples and drop ears

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

There’s nothing wrong with stubbing out with pex , but transitioning to copper is nice. I’m not sure about steel piping for water out here though. I don’t believe our building codes would allow steel water lines.

@tycobb8621 21 күн бұрын

don't be a hack. stub out with copper, polish it up, sweat on your angle stop

@FortKnoxCo 21 күн бұрын

That is a good way to go as well. 🤙🏼

@ryancunningham7847 Ай бұрын

Nope, stub outs should be rigid, preferably metal. Having flexible plastic lines coming out of the wall looks like shit. The valve shouldn't be dangling in the air they should be fixed to the wall.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I agree. The copper stub out is preferred. Looks better and is usually mounted with some time of nailing flange.

@donkeyballs3081 Ай бұрын

7 out of 10 jobs are stubbed using pex. Cost is typically the deciding factor but the flexibility of pex can also play a role in the decision.

@MrThrock09 Ай бұрын

So are you an actual plumber? Do you work in cold country where people have pipes to freeze? If you are and if you did, you know that having a pex pipe that will never ever split on. You is the way to go oh and we don’t care what you think about it nor do we care about your opinion do you have a nice night though I’m a contractor as well, but only for 45 years and thousands of contracts.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

@@MrThrock09 I believe you are correct. there are a lot of advantages of the PEX since it's super durable and can expand or constrict with the temperature and withstand that stress a lot better than copper. Good thing to think about for sure

@ryancunningham7847 Ай бұрын

@MrThrock09 lol I dont care about the material aspect of the stub out, just rigidity and its existence. Also, 30 seconds of experience tells me most valves are metal anyway. So why not have a metal stub out. There are pex specific outdoor rated stub outs as well. I'm an engineer. Different places require different specifications, and different products require a different approach to work. I've designed and physically built systems for the harshest conditions imaginable. Cryogenics, high temperatures above 2000c, chemical resistance from H2s to hydrofluoric acid, pressure conditions up to 60,000 psi. I'm aware of why pex is better, but your industry hasn't grasped how to use it properly yet.

@mikeschneider2161 Ай бұрын

From the looks of things at the lowest bidder got the job on this one. ABS drain piping And plastic outlet boxes😂 Garbage and more garbage.

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Building code here and standard amongst pretty much every builder in Vegas and most of west coast use plastic junction boxes for code and black ABS pipe is code. 🤷🏼‍♂️ so I dunno

@TedDekens Ай бұрын

The problem is you have an elbow. Today a homeowner wants a straight run with no elbow’s or tees. They want the manna block system. Much easier. I didn’t put a single elbow or tee in my house. I have way better flow. Avoid these discount moves. This is the problem. Plus it’s a double wall. Why not use a wall bend instead of cheating out with that 90 degree elbow?

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I hear what you’re saying. Less connections the better. Less chances for failure points. But I’ve also heard the opposite about the manna blocks. I’ve been told by some plumbers to stay away from them, and if you have one in a home try not to mess with it because if it breaks or has a problem they are hard to get & expensive to fix. I’ve experienced one situation myself with a manna block where it was leaking out of a connection at the block and all the valves were seizing up. Maybe it’s because of the hot dry weather out here in Vegas. Might depend on what’s common in your area, cuz in Vegas with the weather and super hard water these plastic valves don’t last long.

@MooseDoesStuff 25 күн бұрын

a hidden cheater vent? boooourns

@FortKnoxCo 25 күн бұрын

It will be open to the air. There will be a vent screen allowing access and air flow. It was added just as an added measure. There is a true vent pipe about 9 ft away down the line.

@jameshibbard2963 Ай бұрын

Dislike either, go down to a Drop Ear and stubout with brass nipple

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

Agreed. Transitioning to copper is best practice. I did that for the exterior hose bibs.

@joeotto5086 Ай бұрын

Don't waste your money buy copper Pex is crap

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I’d say copper is nice were visible. But pex seems to be pretty durable and you don’t have to worry about the cost of copper, sweated joints failing, etc. also time saving.

@mkl5448 Ай бұрын

No, no, and no. Copper stub out all the time, that plastic nonsense sticking out looks terrible. In 20 years we're going to be talking about pex like polybutylene

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

I get what you’re saying. Copper stub out is best. This will be under a sink so not too worried about it. But I have seen some “professional” builders stub out PEX allll day. Not a good looking finish where it’s visible

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@nicholaslacovara2381 Ай бұрын

What if you just use a 5/8 hole in the wood?

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын

That’s an option but you might get more play with the pipe. The clips are made exactly to the size of the pipe and have little tables inside that help grip to help with the pipe moving forward and back as well as side to side.

@nicholaslacovara2381 Ай бұрын

What if you just use a 5/8 hole in the wood?

@FortKnoxCo Ай бұрын