How to Turn Completely Round Balls Without a Ball Turner. Take a Look !!

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Joe Pie

Joe Pie

Жыл бұрын

There are many ways to make a spherical shape in a machine shop. My little cannon deserves some mini cannon balls, so I went for it. ( in brass )
Take a Look !!
Also, go check out this channel and this video
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@kenithguthrie1274
@kenithguthrie1274 Жыл бұрын
In the Navy the cannon ball holder is called a monkey and was made of cast bronze. Cannon ball were cast iron. In cold weather the monkey shrink more than the cannon balls. The saying "So cold it would freeze the balls off a brass monkey" I enjoy your channel thanks for uploading it.
@planeflyer21
@planeflyer21 Жыл бұрын
I was looking to see if someone had already dropped this nugget of grammatical history. Thanks, Kenith!
@modellingmark
@modellingmark Жыл бұрын
This is probably a myth as the brass monkey would never contract enough to make the balls fall off.
@ellieprice363
@ellieprice363 Жыл бұрын
@@modellingmark Perhaps in a heavy winter storm with extreme listing and rolling of the ship?
@nomen_meus
@nomen_meus Жыл бұрын
@@modellingmark This is a myth. The origin of the phrase is unknown.
@radardoug
@radardoug Жыл бұрын
I watch most machining channels because they are entertaining. I watch yours because it's educational. OK, it's entertaining too.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. I try to add value.
@daveticehurst4191
@daveticehurst4191 Жыл бұрын
Hello Joe. The base you made for the canon balls is called a MONKEY. Originally they were made of brass and screwed to the ships deck to be salt water resistant. The cast iron balls were then stacked as yours. In freezing weather the balls if wet would freeze solid on the Monkey. Hence the saying of "it is cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey" Great outcome. Happy New Year from Australia.
@spehropefhany
@spehropefhany Жыл бұрын
I have a feeling that story came out of the imagination of some old salt who was given a hard time for being lewd.
@MrPossumeyes
@MrPossumeyes Жыл бұрын
A comment above suggests the bronze monkey (ship fittings being of bronze) shrank before the cast iron balls did, which then rolled off the monkey. I always wondered where that expression came from - this sounds plausible.
@sblack48
@sblack48 Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen many ball turners but I’ve never seen it done like this. You’re full of surprises Joe!
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
I could have made a ball turner, but I thought you all would like this approach.
@2lefThumbs
@2lefThumbs Жыл бұрын
Good shout out to Stefan, man's a legend👍 I think he gave credit to Tom Lipton /OxTools for that milling a sphere method though🤔 Great lesson in form-cutting in this video, gotta say👍
@somebodyelse6673
@somebodyelse6673 Жыл бұрын
Man, if the idea to pressure turn a high contact form tool had ever entered my mind, I would have dismissed it as impractical at best. Now I gotta rethink the whole idea. Thanks, Joe?
@AnonOmis1000
@AnonOmis1000 Жыл бұрын
I've never had an occasion to pressure turn anything. I keep forgetting that's an option.
@doingstufforatleasttrying4843
@doingstufforatleasttrying4843 Жыл бұрын
Good morning, love the videos Joe, I found your channel by accident and learned so much from you. Can’t thank you enough.I was in an accident that left me disabled.I was a master plumber but since watching you for about 2 years now. I have learned a new skill.Can’t thank you enough. Keep the videos coming. From PENNSYLVANIA.
@diggerdelaney
@diggerdelaney Жыл бұрын
This came at the right time a simple way of turning brass balls as I need two for a project I am embarking on
@johnm840
@johnm840 Жыл бұрын
2nd step, clever. Didn't see that process coming... TY
@TomokosEnterprize
@TomokosEnterprize Жыл бұрын
When in the machinist school some 50 years ago hand ground HSS tools were the norm. There was some carbide but only used rarely. Same basic rules are applied but with a negative or neutral rake. Those skills are as they are and the basic rules will never be changed but can be modified to suit the material in question. There you go with more pressure turning. I have still yet to try it. I may have to just do it to get the feel for it. All the best for 23 my friend. Take care eh ! ! !
@grntitan1
@grntitan1 Жыл бұрын
I needed some 0.625” brass balls recently. I took the easy way out and did the old McMaster Carr thing. 😊
@l.neilyoung1775
@l.neilyoung1775 Жыл бұрын
If you had made the cannon ball stacking base, you would have made a "Brass Monkey".
@wrstew1272
@wrstew1272 Жыл бұрын
Stefan is wonderful! You 2 could have a great time addressing various mounting challenges! Love your relatively simple method for this project.
@nectouxpierre4634
@nectouxpierre4634 Жыл бұрын
Well done, Joe, amazing simple technique. I definitely keep this one! Thanks for sharing 👍
@nigesbasementworkshop9541
@nigesbasementworkshop9541 Жыл бұрын
At one point I thought ‘now how the hell is he going to hold that?’ But then you introduced the pressure turning holders. So brilliant, so simple, so Joe Pie. Happy New Year.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@scottroland6577
@scottroland6577 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding work. Fixturing is 50% plus of the machining challenge. You've taught me a tremendous amount. Many Thanks, Scott
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely.
@allanrichards3752
@allanrichards3752 Жыл бұрын
Hi Joe, A very interesting project. I think you need to make a "triangular ring" to hold the balls. The triangle should have 1/4" radius at each corner and sized to hold the first layer of balls. Originally they were made of brass and in the British navy they were called monkeys. Hence the saying "cold enough to freeze the balls on a brass monkey" I made a ships cannon from a 40mm Bofors "ack ack" shell that I picked up whilst on holiday in Malta. My grandad was stationed there for some time during WW2 and I have his regiment cap badge which is like a crown I have fixed this to the top of the cannon barrel to represent the crowns cast into the barrels. I think it is a nice way to display his badge.
@orangetruckman
@orangetruckman Жыл бұрын
Learn something every time I watch your videos sir. Great stuff 👍🏻
@Bodhi1satva
@Bodhi1satva Жыл бұрын
I’m impressed! Just another example of things I wish I had learned how to do!
@jacqueso8424
@jacqueso8424 Жыл бұрын
This is a much better way to make balls on a lathe. Lot easier than to actually add an attachment to lathe to turn balls. Will certainly put that in the "tip toolbox " and will try it🙂
@wolfhausindustries
@wolfhausindustries Жыл бұрын
🤣saying Stefan sounds like the Terminator just made my day! lol
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
I don't think he would mind hearing that. At least I hope not.
@wolfhausindustries
@wolfhausindustries Жыл бұрын
@@joepie221 I mean who doesn't love the Terminator!? One of the best movies of my youth. I just never put two and two together and now I'll never be able to unhear it in his videos lol.
@metalshopwithtroy5755
@metalshopwithtroy5755 Жыл бұрын
Hey Joe enjoyed your video thouroughly previously I watched a clickspring video. Chris was making a form tool with a small radius. Didnt understand why it wasnt done your way in the first place. I thought afterwards your Radius would of been closer to aproximate to print without the heat treat distortion and extra work Chris put in to achieve his result. I do also acknowledge Clickspring channel and Chris is an absolute craftsman too.
@michaelryan6884
@michaelryan6884 Жыл бұрын
Nice work, Joe and now you have a set of brass balls!
@joell439
@joell439 Жыл бұрын
No ball busting here ...... 👍👍😎👍👍
@squishymonster3267
@squishymonster3267 Жыл бұрын
Oh, this is a super neat technique. I'm definitely trying this. Thanks for the tip!
@billmckillip1561
@billmckillip1561 Жыл бұрын
Interesting work holding method - I always learn something from your videos.
@1crazypj
@1crazypj Жыл бұрын
The base should be brass and called the monkey (at least in 17/18th Century British Navy) It's where the phrase 'cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey' came from as the brass contracted more than the cast iron when it got cold
@waylandforge8704
@waylandforge8704 Жыл бұрын
You beat me to it, however it's good to see someone knows their history. 👍
@rchristie5401
@rchristie5401 Жыл бұрын
ILMAO!! love the "break out in a rash" comment. Priceless. Happy New Years and thanks for all your videos.
@StuartsShed
@StuartsShed Жыл бұрын
Brilliant - what a great technique.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Glad you like it!
@eyuptony
@eyuptony Жыл бұрын
Excellent work, after watching the second work holding set up and cutting operation. It's rather simple as long as your tool profile is correct. Enjoyed that Joe (well, you make it look simple). Tony
@Agnemons
@Agnemons Жыл бұрын
As an amusing aside. Pretty much everyone has heard the phrase "Cold enough to freeze the balls of a brass monkey" A "Brass Monkey" is actually the base you stack the cannon balls on. With the cannon balls usually cast iron and the monkey made of brass they have different thermal expansion characteristics. In cold weather the brass contracts more than the cast iron. If it is cold enough the monkey contracts enough to let the cannon balls fall off.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
This video taught me that. Thanks for adding to the conversation.
@RicktheRecorder
@RicktheRecorder Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, a myth. See my long comment.
@stevespra1
@stevespra1 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting! I would have never thought that the pressure turning setup would hold against the interrupted cut like that. Certainly good information to store away in the back of the mind.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 Жыл бұрын
That was fun - great to follow that approach. Balls turned out excellent and as usual some useful tips.. :)
@ruperthartop7202
@ruperthartop7202 Жыл бұрын
Love it. Amazing work holding. Thanks, ill use that one
@mtm101designs9
@mtm101designs9 Жыл бұрын
Nice lesson on form cutters and their use, Thanks. The cannon is a real beauty!
@SlowEarl1
@SlowEarl1 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding Joe!
@TrPrecisionMachining
@TrPrecisionMachining Жыл бұрын
very good job Joe..thanks for your time
@N1gel
@N1gel Жыл бұрын
The 2 very best engineering tutors on YT Joe Pie & Stefan Gottswinter. Stefan also, (like "This Old Tony") has a fantastic eloquence in respect of real English humour. Great video Joe.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. I enjoy his material and delivery.
@mrc1539
@mrc1539 Жыл бұрын
Going to have to revisit pressure turning , haven’t had much luck in the past but this video gives me new hope. 🤔Thanks for making it look so easy.
@ls2005019227
@ls2005019227 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe for another excellent video! I learn something from EVERY video that you share-
@budconn421
@budconn421 10 ай бұрын
Outstanding Joe
@adambeaumont9169
@adambeaumont9169 Жыл бұрын
Joe, great video. Just commenting to say that I was given the PMR engine lathe kit as a christmas gift, and I intend on following your lathe series step by step to learn all the little tricks you used. Thank you for the effort you put into your videos and the knowledge you share, it is invaluable to young machinists like me.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
We were all young machinists once. It starts in your heart and your imagination. Go to my website and use my contact page if you get hung up on any of your parts. Now go give the person that bought you that, a huge hug.
@alangliniak9514
@alangliniak9514 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for everything you do Joe, it's really appreciated. I've picked up so many tips from your Chanel.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@angelramos-2005
@angelramos-2005 Жыл бұрын
Such a beautiful project.Thank you.
@hemanthharrilall6469
@hemanthharrilall6469 Жыл бұрын
As always, brilliant video. Short and to the point Thanks for the video
@rods87175
@rods87175 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video. I also enjoy watching Stefan do amazing work on his Dekel FP1.
@jhawker2895
@jhawker2895 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for Sharing ... Happy New Year .... Stay Safe and Well ....
@robertpearson8798
@robertpearson8798 Жыл бұрын
I might try this technique so I can finally get a round tuit.
@georgehollowell9295
@georgehollowell9295 Жыл бұрын
Neat! The navies used brass monkeys on which to store the cannon balls. This to prevent rust and corrosion in the salt air environment. Hence to the saying 'colder than the balls on a brass monkey'. The example I saw the depressions in the monkey were spherical and not conical.
@passenger6735
@passenger6735 Жыл бұрын
Another masterclass in holding a difficult shape for machining. Thanks again Joe. A belated happy new year. Bob
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Bob. Same to you.
@adamstripp39
@adamstripp39 Жыл бұрын
Well done! Also nice tips on grinding your own tools
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! 👍
@alasdairhamilton1574
@alasdairhamilton1574 Жыл бұрын
Joe the base is called a “Monkey” that’s where you get the old Royal Navy saying freeze the balls off a Brass Monkey👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@outsidescrewball
@outsidescrewball Жыл бұрын
You never cease to amaze me with your lessons that you share….HNY, thank you
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Happy new year Chuck! Thanks for stopping by.
@MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc
@MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc Жыл бұрын
I didn't know you needed brass balls to build a Quorn! Happy new year!!
@markthompson8656
@markthompson8656 Жыл бұрын
So cool. I have a 1 1/16 bore Cannon I made 20 years ago. Now I know how to make some Balls for it!
@Moonfleet41
@Moonfleet41 Жыл бұрын
Great tutorial Joe... Again i can say ""Joe Pie Taught Me Something" didn't know about pressure turning! For interest, the plate you made to stand them on, in historic Royal Navy times was apparently called a "Brass Monkey". when it was cold enough on the ships, the plate buckled and the balls would roll off.. Hence the term "Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey ! Learned that on the HMS Victory tour !
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Hi Del. Thanks for stopping by. Interesting how a video can spin off unexpected bits of knowledge you wouldn't normally be exposed to. Thanks for the comment. Ride safe and Happy New Year.
@davep8462
@davep8462 11 ай бұрын
not having access to other machinist you are an amazing resource I have wondered about holding similar shaped parts. This definitely goes in the workholding book!! Thanks much
@joepie221
@joepie221 10 ай бұрын
You Bet.
@oldpopmike
@oldpopmike Жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Thanks Joe for the video. I wondered how you were going to make them 👍
@HexenzirkelZuluhed
@HexenzirkelZuluhed Жыл бұрын
You're always an inspiration on work holding!
@steventhompson3507
@steventhompson3507 Жыл бұрын
Lovely work that Joe.
@ramonching7772
@ramonching7772 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic technique. As always. 😊😊😊
@roberthiggins1142
@roberthiggins1142 Жыл бұрын
Great Tutorial of how to make the cutter & the brass balls.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@michaelrogocz1160
@michaelrogocz1160 Жыл бұрын
Happy new year Sir, good to see you again.
@jimstone2669
@jimstone2669 Жыл бұрын
WOW Joe that was amazing thank you for teaching me something new.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Any time
@alexwynd6969
@alexwynd6969 Жыл бұрын
Love it Joe, great video!
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@eddiehayes2388
@eddiehayes2388 Жыл бұрын
I always learn something from your videos. Thanks Joe.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@donstelfox6921
@donstelfox6921 Жыл бұрын
Very nice, great technique, nice look. Cheers
@petermcneill80
@petermcneill80 Жыл бұрын
That was absolutely magic, loved that method superb 👍🏻
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it! It worked well.
@paulmanhart4481
@paulmanhart4481 5 ай бұрын
You are so cool Joe. I love your videos. Such a master. Thanks for sharing with all of us mortals. Paul
@12345NoNamesLeft
@12345NoNamesLeft Жыл бұрын
Stefan is one of my favourites.
@lisag2771
@lisag2771 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I always learn something new. Thanks!
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
You bet!
@jdmccorful
@jdmccorful Жыл бұрын
Nice! Happy New Year!
@mperry9025
@mperry9025 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe
@brucewilliams6292
@brucewilliams6292 Жыл бұрын
You have a good eye for esthetics. Happy New Year!
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! You too!
@paulskvorc7021
@paulskvorc7021 Жыл бұрын
Nice tutorial - as usual. :) Thanks. Were it my assemblage, I'd darken the bead-blasted cannon balls with any one of several brass blackening solutions for a little extra authentic look.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
I may do that.
@robertoviana514
@robertoviana514 Жыл бұрын
I come here for inspiration and you provide it. Keep up the good work.
@alwayscensored6871
@alwayscensored6871 Жыл бұрын
You made it look easy. Brass is my favourite material to machine next to Acetal. Stefan has gone full time, will interesting to see his progress.
@christurley391
@christurley391 Жыл бұрын
Thanks again Joe.
@UncleKennysPlace
@UncleKennysPlace Жыл бұрын
When I do stuff like this, I superglue the ball in place, and heat it up to remove it. It may never slip without it, but it calms my paranoia!
@raymondhorvatin1050
@raymondhorvatin1050 Жыл бұрын
There hasn't been a video I did not enjoy Thanks for sharing
@donteeple6124
@donteeple6124 Жыл бұрын
This goes to prove it !!!!! Joe does indeed have brass balls......and can make em too !!! Don
@davidmyhre2720
@davidmyhre2720 Жыл бұрын
Hey Joe, Nice brassies couldn't help myself Haha. Putting this one in the Rolodex. Joe thank you buddy be safe.
@kurtarmbrust
@kurtarmbrust Жыл бұрын
All the best in the New Year.
@frankward709
@frankward709 Жыл бұрын
Look sharp thanks for the video
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@leslieaustin151
@leslieaustin151 5 ай бұрын
Very neat! Thanks
@evilbrat5376
@evilbrat5376 Жыл бұрын
I have now learned that "Brass Balls" are made and not grown. Great job on their turning. Turned out just like the cannon and it carrage. Opinion - Blueing them would make them unique.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Trust me, they appear for many different reasons.
@douglasbattjes3991
@douglasbattjes3991 11 ай бұрын
So one on the cannon Joe, he looks great, 👍👍👍👍
@warrenjones744
@warrenjones744 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@CraigLYoung
@CraigLYoung Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing 👍
@Milling_Usa
@Milling_Usa Жыл бұрын
Perfect Joe👍👍👍
@michaelnoyes4817
@michaelnoyes4817 Жыл бұрын
Happy New Year mate
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
Happy new year!
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Жыл бұрын
You have balls of brass! ;) Many thanks for the tips!
@RichieCat4223
@RichieCat4223 Жыл бұрын
11:32 The square "monkey" looks good in contrast to the cannon balls, but making one that is triangular is the correct style "monkey". Don't shoot me I'm only the piano player.
@djhscorp
@djhscorp Жыл бұрын
Very nice indeed
@jocelynefilion9076
@jocelynefilion9076 Жыл бұрын
Awesome I would not have believed you could that
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
You'll have to center the tool correctly first, but after that, off ya go.
@gentharris
@gentharris Жыл бұрын
Way cool learned a thing or 2 here thanks!!
@ron827
@ron827 Жыл бұрын
GREAT job making brass balls and love the technique. Folklore tells us the cast iron cannon balls used on ships were held in a brass ring known as a monkey. Because the coefficient of thermal expansion and contraction for brass is about twice that of cast iron, supposedly in very cold weather the brass would contract much more than the cast iron balls, setting them free and thus "freeze the balls off a brass monkey". With today's technology, we now have Gorilla Glue which can be used to secure the brass monkey's balls.
@russelldold4827
@russelldold4827 Жыл бұрын
I once had to make more than 1000 brass balls 10mm in diameter. Very interested in your solution - great result. Thanks for sharing.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Жыл бұрын
I hope you were on a CNC. Woof.....1000 pieces manually is a real test.
@russelldold4827
@russelldold4827 Жыл бұрын
@@joepie221 No CNC. Home shop. I was much younger and the money was good 😉
@jimpaquet3770
@jimpaquet3770 Жыл бұрын
Very good thank you 👍🏁
@peteengard9966
@peteengard9966 Жыл бұрын
Sweet. Some powder and a ram rod is all you need now. Does the barrel have a powder hole and sump to send the ball down range? Don't forget the recoil rigging. Thank you Joe and Happy New Year.
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