How To Use Two Guitar Amps Together [Connections, Phase, Polarity & Why Analog Dry-Through Matters]
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Күн бұрынUsing two amps together sounds great, but how do you actually do it?
Welcome to the show. Dan and I pretty much always use two amps on the show, and very often when playing live too. It’s something that countless artists have done down the years… but how do you actually connect them?
In this video we run through the most common and easiest ways to connect two amps together. There are other ways - for example using effects loops, slave/direct outputs and so on - but that’s getting ahead of the scope of this video.
A big part of this video is to do with polarity and phase, which is the most important topic related to using multiple amps. So start by getting your head around that, and move on from there!
Finally, it really doesn't matter what two amps you use! (Erm, just make sure they're both analogue to avoid phase problems, or indeed two of the same or very similar digital amps. Mixing one analogue and one digital will give you phase problems.)
Enjoy the episode!
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If you want a specialist device to connect two amps, it MUST have these two features…
-One of the outputs is ground isolated
-One of the outputs has a polarity flip option
Examples of devices we would recommend:
• TheGigRig Humdinger (and AB Baby, G3, G3S)
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• Radial Engineering BigShot ABY
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• Bright Onion Active Splitter
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There are others, just make sure it has an isolated second out AND a polarity flip switch. Good luck!
Pedals & Stuff in this show
• J Rockett Audio Hot Rubber Monkey V2
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• TheGigRig Humdinger
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• Jam Pedals Waterfall
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• Catalinbread Belle Epoch Deluxe
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• Walus Audio Mako D1 [original version, links to latest version]
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• Source Audio Nemesis ADT
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• TheGigRig QMX4
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Interesting bits and go-to sections
0:00 Intro playing
1:57 Why use two amps?
2:50 Four ways to use two amps
5:00 Way 2: Link The Inputs
6:15 Hum & polarity problems
8:30 Splitting the signal before the amps
9:00 One amp must be earthed/grounded
10:45 A specialist splitter device
11:35 Phase & polarity explained
15:23 Where does the polarity change happen?
15:40 Way 3: Use A Stereo Pedal To Split
17:50 A splitter on the pedalboard
20:00 Where to split on the board?
21:20 Vibrato in one amp only: chorus!
22:15 Problems with splitting the signal path
22:50 Why Analogue Dry Through Is Crucial
28:00 Polarity & analogue dry through sound examples
30:00 And with the delay sounds
31:35 Why use two amps, again?
Guitars in today’s show
• Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster - Dan’s video here: • That Pedal Show - Our ...
Amps in today’s show
• Fender ’65 Deluxe Reverb with stock speaker
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• Two Rock TS1 50-watt 1x12 combo with TR1265 speaker
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@michaelwebb4082 3 ай бұрын
This is kind of a full circle video for me. The only reason I found you guys was because I searched KZfaq for a video on how to use two amps about 5 years ago. I had absolutely no idea about effects pedals, other than something like a zoom 505 or a digitech rp100. I had a pod xt live at the time and when I found you guys, it completely changed my life. Here it is 5 years later and I’m such a gear nerd, I have over 40 pedals, 9 guitars, 7 amplifiers, and I am so much more educated on everything guitar and gear related. You guys are and have always been the best guitar and gear related channel out there, bar none. Love you guys, and keep on doing what you’re doing!
@stuartbowlerwell2845 3 ай бұрын
"Why?" "Because it's Awesome!" Roll credits...
@lynette9021 3 ай бұрын
Really, today's question is, "How can you NOT use two amps?".
@1970sman 3 ай бұрын
You are joking?
@robertwillett4122 3 ай бұрын
Once you figure out the polarity and the ground lift to have no hum. There's nothing better than ( I call it ping ponging) a good chorus, delay, or an ambient type of effects. But it can be difficult. You must educate yourself. It's incredible. You guys did a great job.
@ajb625 3 ай бұрын
I only play in the house, and have always used two amps. When people ask "why"?, I answer "Why not? I've got 'em!". And yes...such a big sound with minimal volume! Someone went through all that trouble to make the amps...we should use them!
@jamiebarr9810 3 ай бұрын
What two amps do you use?
@joeschlicht 3 ай бұрын
Same here. I actually have three amps, but one isn't turning on right now. Hope it's just a fuse. But to your point, two amps sound huge! I'm currently playing a tweed deluxe clone and a handwired AC15 split, and I'm only just over 2 on the deluxe volume and less than halfway up on the AC15 and that's plenty lound for a rehearsal with drums, bass, and keyboards. Almost too loud. It's crazy how big it sounds for two small amps.
@hoboroadie4623 3 ай бұрын
@@jamiebarr9810 I have a different basic rig that I call the Cerberus. There's other stuff, the Brotary and the Echo Array and cetera, but the basic Cerberus is one small amp running a little Vibrato, and two larger amps running dry through a Panning Tremolo. ATM I have a little bedroom rig with one twenty Watt Virtuoso and two thirty Watt Conquerors. Sometimes I run different sorts of Amps off the Tremolo, I am getting a UL760 that will sort of match Tremoloing against one of my Defiants, over a wet Conqueror. And the farm is hopefully about to thaw out enough to get out there and hook up the big iron. 👍
@ajb625 3 ай бұрын
@@joeschlicht Yep! I really look forward to Alone Time in the house as, yes, the volume gets significant quite early....and that's before boosted with a compressor!
@che2335 3 ай бұрын
2 amps is great for multi layer looping as well around the house.
@williamwagnon2809 7 күн бұрын
Excellent job covering what is probably the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of setting up wet-dry!! Awesome!!
@tarkett8529 3 ай бұрын
I went from a tps wet dry 2 amp setup to a 3 amp tps wdw, and now I’m tinkering with a 6 amp monster wet wet dry dry wet wet setup with different effects going to different wet amp combinations and different drives to the dry amps, what a rabbit hole I stepped into
@simoneh4732 3 ай бұрын
I've always avoided the ground/earth loop by having both amps plugged into the same power strip/bar so that they are on the same ground potential. My understanding is that the hum actually comes from two amps being connected to different grounds which usually have slightly different ground potentials, and then when the loop is made, current will flow from one ground to the other through the amps, and that gets amplified as hum. Having them on the same ground greatly reduces this so that I haven't had hum problems by just using a pedal to split the signal. I happen to be lucky that what comes out of both amps is in polarity too.
@martynrandall7652 2 ай бұрын
Your right about everything plugged into 1 socket. They don't mention it maybe because they won't sell as many humdingers? Lol
@jbels41 3 ай бұрын
This was so over my head, but there is nothing better than two people being passionate, educational and funny!
@jlukmo 3 ай бұрын
I just purchased a VOX AC15 C2 and a Roland JC 40 to do this. you are bad for my personal finances.
@t3golf 3 ай бұрын
Just wait….. it gets worse. 😂
@RobertSaxy 3 ай бұрын
I did something similar but with a vox mini superbeetle (can’t afford the real thing and has it before getting the jc40). Best part is you can setup the jc40 as stereo for a WDW setup
@beburicoterito 3 ай бұрын
Gustavo Cerati (from Soda Stereo) used that combination of amps, beautiful. Listen to the song Adios, I love the guitars in that song. Can be seen in the mtv unplugged too.
@taviswardlaw 3 ай бұрын
You can also go wet/dry/wet with that combo: Use a humdinger or similar to split after drives and any mods you want to go everywhere. Send the dry to the AC15 and the isolated out of the humdinger to your wet effects, running stereo into the JC40. I prefer to kill fry into the wet amp but see what you like more!
@robinbennison9225 3 ай бұрын
Let's be fair, Mick and Dan are just really bad people aren't they? My wife hates the pair of them. 😂
@TheFeelButton 3 ай бұрын
You've flipped my understanding polarity and got my thinking in phase! Cheers Dan and Mick!!
@evanmiller2579 3 ай бұрын
Learned everything I know about two amps from this show. Biggest mistake I made was flipping polarity on the gig rig to get the amps in sync and then going into a stereo reverb pedal (Boss RV500). Since the two signals going into the pedal were out of phase, the reverb volume was almost non existent. I thought something was wrong with the pedal. Once I figured it out, my best results came from doing everything on the board including going into stereo pedals and then putting a humdinger on one of the stereo outputs only. That way I could kill hum and flip polarity if necessary. Have a great weekend.
@johnpierson8398 3 ай бұрын
Yes, this video is absolute gold! I'm an EE and and an old guy and have been playing guitar for 50+ years. What I really think is great is your clarification of polarity versus phase. The terminology is mixed up in many peoples understanding and how products don't always use the terms consistantly. And in this world of awesome digital effects pedals, the analog dry through issue is now becoming a common issue. I recently bought an Eventide H90, which I think is quite incredible. But in a recent episode, I heard Mick say the lack of analog dry through made it a non-starter. I now understand why this does not work in a "TPS Dual Amp config". The H90 is still awesome, but not in all configurations. Eventide claims that they had more phase problems with with analog dry through and therefore did not implant this in the H90... Super great episode!
@ThatPedalShow 3 ай бұрын
Indeed. And there’s merit in Eventide’s argument when you get into some of the incredible stuff it does - pitch shifting especially. But exactly as you say it’s all about context.
@buffalofeathers 3 ай бұрын
As someone who IS into this, it WAS gold! Thanks, gentlemen!
@gyugug 3 ай бұрын
Excellent episode once again chaps. For anyone hasn't tried this, it's a game changer. Another thing - the more diverse sounding amps you use, the wider the sonic spectrum - for example I use a Roland JC120 with a Kustom 100. Another thing - as Mick rightly mentioned - it doesn't have to be TPS wet/dry e.g. I use separate fuzzes on each signal path - wet/dry fuzz is a new dawn! Cheers :)
@tyronemckenna2541 3 ай бұрын
And another thing! lol
@bretthusebye3740 3 ай бұрын
Mark Knophler was around Billy Gibbons once wanting to know how he got his fat tone so he could use some special sauce on Money For Nothing. So Billy would not tell Mark. So what Mark did is he had one bad ass amp he put in a soundproof box and he mic’d it up and ran that signal through his board and to his other amp. Then later on Billy Gibbons asked Mark Knophler how he got a fatter tone than his and Mark wouldn’t tell him!!! 😂
@jamiebarr9810 3 ай бұрын
I am still very much an Absolute Beginner on this, after watching the really in-depth vids, I really needed this! Next trick - find a suitable amp for home playing to match with a Blues Jr and add a Humdinger to my board!!! Much love, guys.
@viniciusandrade83 3 ай бұрын
oh boy, that Dan's smile always make the world a better place, at least to me. Epic tones!
@TheLeon1032 3 ай бұрын
THIS WAS SO HELPFUL, DAN WORRALL FANCY CHIPPING IN TO HELP THE COMMUNITY OUT? NO PRESSURE DAN, YOUVE DONE ENOUGH TO HELP US ALL
@kevinlt143 3 ай бұрын
Love the fact that while this isn't solely focused on bedroom playing, it does add an amazing depth to the sound that is hard to otherwise come by! My biggest issue here though is both my amps are solid state (not inherently bad, bear with me!) with lots of headroom. I boost into a low gain drive, and instead of more gain, I get more volume (and a bit more gain). I'm not driving the amp, pedals have high headroom, it's a an interesting "bedroom headroom" problem (to sort of steal Orange Amp's coined terms).Would love to see some episodes exploring bedroom tones (there have been a few over the years...)
@nickm.9474 3 ай бұрын
Struggled with an old nemesis doing wet dry setup at one point. No one could explain what was going on. Was dealing with the latency because it wasn’t dry through. Glad they fixed that.
@vorncoza 3 ай бұрын
Great vid! I had learnt most of this from your previous videos but it was great to have this as the focus, and to cover everything in one video. Really enjoy your guys' videos! Keep up the great work!
@claytongouin5605 3 ай бұрын
Great episode. I've been using your videos for a long time to play around with my own hybrid stereo and wet/dry/wet rigs in my spare bedroom studio. While I was aware of issue of polarity and phase, this really helped me understand some problems inherent in different pedals and why issues of signal routing might not always be as simple as flipping the polarity. Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us.
@rogernewport4196 3 ай бұрын
Really interesting video. Mick and Dan always explain complex matters in clear and understandable terms. The examples really help to illustrate the points. Well done, guys!
@ryanmcgrath9869 3 ай бұрын
Gentlemen, very well done! This is how all of your shows should be. Concise, unlike my comment. This felt much shorter than 35 minutes and I re-watched a few parts. I'm now subscribed. I've been running two amps for years with the Fulltone True Path ABY switcher. It has a "Phase" switch. Nope, it's polarity. Thanks for the clarification. I work for an electric company in the US and have studied phase and I never realized it was actually polarity. Now you need to explain to everyone vibrato vs tremolo. I had that wrong for years too.
@richnetts 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for my T Shirt folks. You could not have made the experience any more pleasurable. Not to spoil any of the surprise details, but the best packing ever and the handwritten note was lovely. The shirt is such good quality too. Thank you.
@neilwlevine 3 ай бұрын
My favorite episodes are the ones where you guys take time to teach the fundamentals. You always do it in such a clear and effortless way.
@tonedragon8616 3 ай бұрын
My current favourite rig is using a fender 1963 tremolux with a little trem and a deluxe reverb reissue verb at 2. Meris lvx in stereo, suhr riot mini for heavy, lovepedals cot50 always on od, ramble fx twinbender fuzz down for glassy single coil tones. You guys have been such a inspiration for all of us.
@ThatPedalShow 3 ай бұрын
Mmmmmm. That is a rig!
@damirkaleb8092 3 ай бұрын
Congratulations from me. This very detailed video is very useful for young people. Unfortunately I have to say, many of them don't want to KNOW. KNOW or ask someone who knows. Our generation, experimented, exchanged opinions. It's not shameful NOT TO KNOW, BUT it's sad and stupid not to ask someone who has thighs. Well, I'm not going to write "User's manual".......This is just A great appreciation on my part, as with care and simplicity you try to spread your knowledge related to the equipment necessary for a musician-guitarist. In this way "electric" music (rock, R/Roll, haeavy, blues, country, pop , etc.Continues and remains ALIVE still.(old, first, generation's guitarist. Ian Judas)
@pauleddy5146 3 ай бұрын
Boys, you can reverse the polarity of one cable too. Needs a specially made cable where you switch +/- polarity on the cable end of one side. I must add, sorry, that this can happen with manufactured cables and you'll be chasing your tail trying to find the problem . . . until you use another cable that you KNOW is wired properly. You can then mark that cable as reversed polarity and use it to remedy reversed polarity issues where a single cable would make it an easy fix.
@robwstow112 3 ай бұрын
Hi Mick, hi Dan. I've recently been watching your episodes on wet/dry and wet/dry/wet rigs, so this episode has come at the right time and is the icing on the cake. Definitely going to try it out. I've pretty much always had a couple of amps, but only ever used one or the other as my "Go to amp"... but from now on it will be... "Go two amps!!"
@allisonholmesmusic97 3 ай бұрын
A well timed video. I just bought a Vox AC15C2 and I already owned a Fender GTX50. I was wondering how to use them together. A lot of this went over my head but at least I know what pitfalls to look for. I’ll check out your other videos to see if a deeper dive makes it click for me.
@garethbyrd5860 3 ай бұрын
The EQD Swiss things is great for this and it's got a boost pedal built in a long with 2 loops. Such a handy piece of kit.
@hezekiahfasho 3 ай бұрын
Long time viewer first time commenter, so thankful for y’all and your highly informational and educational videos. I’ve learned so much and have been able to put it into effect in my gigging rig. This video comes at a very fortuitous time as I’m in the process of yet another pedalboard makeover. Will definitely be digging into the specs of any potential pedals to join the party. I’ve yet to jump into playing out with a wet/dry or stereo rig but I love the idea of it, so keeping it as a potential option is always at the front of my mind. Once again, many thanks for your years of service. So much incredible knowledge offered up to us and I’m so very grateful. Cheers!
@ThatPedalShow 3 ай бұрын
You’re so welcome, thanks for watching
@drewskyjones 3 ай бұрын
Absolute Gold! Confusing topic explained (and demonstrated) as clearly as possible
@Frozenguy1 3 ай бұрын
You finally convinced me to play with my polarity even though I thought I was in phase all the time. Well.. Turns out I was wrong! I used the inverter module on my zoia to flip the polarity, but once I found out I had to flip it I just swapped the two ends of the cable to my speaker.
@ThatPedalShow 3 ай бұрын
You are not alone!
@user-xb5oy5tk2j 3 ай бұрын
A great, succinct video on how to get joy from running two amps, I wish someone had explained it so thirty years ago.
@willwetherington 3 ай бұрын
Well, don't I feel dumb. You mean to tell me I could've been doing this the whole freaking time? I just tried that amp to amp method and Holy Shit it works. Thank you so much guys! I guess I got super lucky. No phase problem and no hum.
@rayrifice2595 3 ай бұрын
After watching your video on wet/dry rigs years ago, I now use a Fender Super Sonic 22 with my EFX in the loop and a Fender Princeton Reverb for my dry side. I use a radial Big shot ABY box with phase and polarity. Sounds awesome!
@Marwood79 3 ай бұрын
Outstanding. I think I just about stayed with you guys to the end on that!... thanks - this had been an area not yet explored...
@NicBurrows 3 ай бұрын
I play at really low volumes at home and honestly having 2 amps is a great solution. Lush full sounding vibes at lower volumes. Right now I am using the HX Stomp to manage it but before that it was a Radial Twin City which is a GREAT pedal.
@mattg082 3 ай бұрын
This is one thing I realized…if at home you’d first think two amps will be double loud. But in reality having say 2 Roland Jc or whatever…you can get the volume very low, while still enjoying it! Also not bother anyone as much as pushing one single all louder. I don’t do stereo in the studio, but I like running stereo at home on two small amps! It’s quiet and just like listening to a stereo at home at tv volumes. Fuller and less volume to turn up.
@danottley2627 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful video. I do not know how you packed all of that knowledge into 35 minutes. Fantastic process to clearly demonstrate the pitfalls, and the audio clearly reveals the problems with the "out of phase" sounds. An epiphany moment for me with regards to analogue dry-through.
@rocnpops62 3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for taking the time to explain this so thoroughly. Much appreciated guys.
@Russell_Optics 3 ай бұрын
I run a stereo rig and did understand about Polarity being matched so the speakers move as one, but I never knew that the pedals could cause a shift. My rig sounds awesome as-is, but now I wonder if it couldn't be even better ? You took an extremely confusing topic and made it much easier to understand..... Well Done !
@scottcurry4116 3 ай бұрын
I love this show! I’ve watched every two amp show you’ve made and I learn something new each time. I’ve run wet/dry for about a year due to TPS. Analog dry through explains an issue I have with the Strymon Flint. The reverb is analog dry through but the tremolo isn’t. So when I use the reverb, it sounds great, but the tremolo always sounds off! Thank you! Lastly, I have the Humdinger and it is awesome. I had a Lehle Little Duel II, which was nice, but the Humdinger takes up less space, is less expensive and its buffer adds a clarity that the Lehle didn’t. I also have a Wetter Box coming in a day or two for more fun. Thanks again for your shows!
@moosemuseum1853 3 ай бұрын
So glad I chose a Strymon Volante and Red Panda Context 2 for my TPS Wet/Dry rig before I understood the problem. Dumb luck! Thanks for the clear and concise explanation guys!
@ReiCow 3 ай бұрын
This was one of your best vids, guys! I really liked the instructional asides. Moo
@user-tf6ne3iw8v 3 ай бұрын
Mick! Nailed the intro. Loved the TL;DR, but I’ll go ahead and watch the whole thing. 😊
@papaboom 3 ай бұрын
One of the best practical videos on the topic... Thanks!!
@bretonleo8740 3 ай бұрын
I clicked on the video thinking « an other video about this subject you covered so many times » but no, you really achieve something new in this video because your sound examples are so thoughtful and good sounding I could clearly hear the impact on the dry tone on all the examples !! A masterclass in that domain ;) Leo
@user-jy3us9rl7n 3 ай бұрын
cool episode! another big difference between phase and polarity is: polarity is not frequency depending. everything is just mirrored on the time-axis. out of phase is frequency depending. if the latency is i.e. 10ms which eaquals 100Hz, everything that is n*100Hz is amplified and everything that is 2n/(n+1/2)*100Hz is eliminated.
@folderol8487 3 ай бұрын
Love you guys. Quite apart from the subject matter at hand: started out on a Strat as a kid, spent years with Gibsons, came back belatedly to the Strat and realized it’s the most nearly perfect electric guitar ever invented. (Have and love a Tele as well.) I’ll have to try the two-amp ideas here. Thanks for your thoroughly enjoyable and informative channel.
@DrRussPhd 3 ай бұрын
Welcome Home! Playing a strat always makes you a better person. :)
@folderol8487 3 ай бұрын
@@DrRussPhd Thanks! I do believe you’re right. It certainly makes you happier. 😊
@user-le9zr7dk6f 3 ай бұрын
Thanks guys. That’s really helpful and informative. May have to give it a couple more run throughs to get my head around it fully!
@jeffadams272 3 ай бұрын
Finally got around to doing wet/dry with my Fender Princeton Non Reverb and Laney Lionheart 2x12. The sounds are beyond words… thank you so much for the inspiration!
@ThatPedalShow 3 ай бұрын
Yes!
@andrewhood9246 3 ай бұрын
Always used 2 amps live, Hot Rod Deville for clean and a peavey classic 20 combo on the preamp out from the fender to add some natural valve overdrive on top of the clean and have the sound engineer blend them on the PA. Best sounding guitar tone I've ever had.
@lm8404 3 ай бұрын
Love this.. I have a fender and a black star combo and was thinking about running the two. Now I know how to do it properly. I’ve heard there can be issue, but no details about the issues.. Thanks guys!!
@danielqzhigham2340 3 ай бұрын
I thought my supro delta king 12 and marshall jtm studio sounded great out of my ua golden until I got a humdinger. Turns out that they'd been out of polarity all along but still sounded better than one amp on its own. Now they sound fantastic I've had to dial back the bass though. Thanks Dan for your brilliant splitter and thanks to both of you for all of the priceless advice.
@ThatPedalShow 3 ай бұрын
Yes! This! Mick here.
@joshmolchen1 3 ай бұрын
Another great show. So well done. Nothing left out.
@unclemarsguitar 3 ай бұрын
Lovely video on the foundational fundamentals -- it was this channel that got me into TPS wet/dry (and w/d/w) years ago, and since then I've run into seemingly every conceivable problem not covered by this video -- we need a followup! On: 1. The difference between transformer isolation and simply lifting the ground on one leg of the split signal. "Ground lift" switches disconnect the SHIELD of the signal cable and expose it to all kinds of EMI/RFI noise that is often WORSE than just the ground loop hum. 2. How/whether it is possible to eliminate loop hum AFTER a stereo pedal that is only mono in > stereo out to two amps. MOST stereo delays/reverbs are actually mono (one channel) DSPs -- they sum the stereo input signal as part of the analog to digital conversion, which can create its own share of phase headaches! How do we, you know, ACTUALLY USE stereo-out pedals with two amps without hum? 3. The problems that are introduced if you send your isolated leg of the split signal through other pedal(s), rather than directly into the amp. This is especially troublesome because pedals dump their noise to ground through the cable shield and when you plug in an "isolated" ground-lifted signal cable with the shield disconnected, there is nowhere for that noise to go except into your audio path! So how do we get a split signal chain with different effects on both sides of the split (rather than just one) without any noise/loop hum? Does the isolated leg of the split ALWAYS have to go directly to the amp? These are the problems anyone who ventures down the glorious 2-amp path will inevitably run into, and sooner rather than later. Would LOVE to hear how you leg-ends deal with these scenarios!
@ThatPedalShow 3 ай бұрын
1. Too complicated to worry about in rock’n’roll. Mick here. Dan has solved it on his latest gen GigRig products (they’ve moved away from transformers) but it’s something that’s never bothered me. And most shit //really// bothers me. 2. Just put the Humdinger, isolated side only on one output of the stereo pedal. Solved. 3. Been running wet/dry at 100-200 watts for years, and never had a problem with this because a) I use Dan’s power that is properly isolated and never has any noise and b) use good quality pedals that run silent on Dan’s power. The isolated leg can go through other pedals as well, as long as their power is isolated too. Hope that makes sense!
@unclemarsguitar 3 ай бұрын
Really appreciate the reply, @@ThatPedalShow On point 1, pitfalls of a noisy city environment I guess -- I often wish I got to jam out in the country where the internet barely works! Sounds quite nice. Hi to Rosie! (and Dan, too). Thanks for the tips, Mick!
@lightonthelandscape 3 ай бұрын
Wow, that was excellent. Before watching your "Wet-Dry & Wet-Dry-Wet Amp FX Setups Explained video, I had a Radial Big Shot ABY - and I previously have split the signal at the end of my signal chain into two amps and left it at that - it simply beefed up the sound with delays and reverb going through both amps. It's fine but It's you mentioned, it can get a bit mushy with bigger delay/modulation effects. Splitting wet/dry (splitting before modulation/delay and reverb) seems to creates clarity - less mush and I feel it has a bigger sound for some reason. Really interesting. I use a vintage Deluxe Reverb (silver face) and Little Walter VG50 amp. Sometimes I use the DR with a Vox AC4 HW1 for a very different tone at smaller venues. Killer sound. Without you guys, I'd still be living in the land of Mushiness without knowing how much better it can be to split the signal wet/dry. Thanks guys.
@mattg082 3 ай бұрын
Splitting is great to wet/dry! I have an ABY BABY I’ve tried at the very end, and then also as a split before effects. Wet/Dry…I use a Sky King(Fender circuit) and a Ampeg VT40 for the more distorted big parts. Sky King is wet/Ampeg only boost and distortions. I found the same as well! Having dual mono with both wet, can get mushy unless you can tap dance fast. What I like is being able to have a nice clean wet Fendery tone going on. Then when I want dirt, just tap B on my ABY…all effects are gone and I have a great beefed up tone. Personally, I don’t always run both amps on at the same time…even with wet/dry. Unless they are of similar cabs, and amps styles. It causes one amp to sound good volume wise, kicking in the second it’s too loud on stage. Then you turn both down and using one or the other….now it’s too low. I’ve settled on just A/B for now…but still run wet dry, as it’s way less pedal tapping. Also found I need far less dirt pedals this way. But for gigging purposes, I keep a lot of drives as I’m not lugging two amps often. Just for studio use, practice or a big show. But def the way to go is to split it wet/dry for more diverse sounds, and less tap dancing or using a very complicated routing system to program. A lot easier than turning off 3 stacked wet pedals, and then turning on your distortions for one amp.
@billeblen5176 3 ай бұрын
thanks oh so much. been thinking about trying a two amp set up and what you have discussed has been an eye opener. keep up the great work.
@Cheguebuddha 3 ай бұрын
I will just say what I use at my home studio and absolutely enjoy it tremendously! Wet-dry Egnater Tweaker 15 into a Jensen P12R and Quilter Superblock US into a Jensen Blackbird 100watt. Both 12". Oh my gawd what a lovely huge home friendly tone and volume!
@Cheguebuddha 3 ай бұрын
I use Mooer ABY box to split the signal as wet-dry. No hum and all works. But one amp must be grounded.
@charlieking8518 3 ай бұрын
So well explained and makes sense of why it is such a minefield if you don’t know what you’re doing… (Like me!)
@michaelcurtin508 3 ай бұрын
Very clear explanation guys, thanks!
@Amish_Trivedi 3 ай бұрын
Now I just need two amps. But watching you guys nerd out is endless fun. Thanks for this one!
@davedavem 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for revisiting this chaps. I don't have two amps, but i do have an amp with an attenuated output and i run it alongside a plugin "amp". My version of wet/dry, but a bit more attainable 😊
@onewiththings 3 ай бұрын
This was very helpful, even after watching you guys since you started. I'll have to watch a few more times to consider each of several pedals in my chain, and if they are holding me back from greatness.
@MadDrummer100000 3 ай бұрын
Guys, I really needed this show, ‘cause I’m setting up a new rig! You guys are life savers! Cheers. P.S.: Mick, still can’t get over the fact you had to part ways with that Pelham Blue SG, such a great fit, sounded amazing in your hands, those instances where one bonds deeply with an instrument are quite rare.
@richardcrowther8568 3 ай бұрын
Fantastic video, learnt loads, I was a bit confused on polarity and phase, not any more! Thanks guys
@LockRocker 3 ай бұрын
It's official, many of us are unphased by this video. Such good work is likely the result of having a secret Lab!
@joshjoshin9287 Ай бұрын
That tone is nutsss
@YeatzeeGuitar 3 ай бұрын
This is such a valuable resource, and so well done. Thank you! I recently switched to wet dry for live and boy did I have a hard time figuring out what pedals flipped the phase when active. Amps are a 64 AC30 and a 65 Vibrolux Reverb, wet side typically in the Fender with a DMM Flint VB2 and phaser. Dry side mjolnir vemuram jan ray and a scarab fuzz. Sounds massive live!
@ThatPedalShow 3 ай бұрын
Mmmmmm. Niiiice!
@James-kj9hw 3 ай бұрын
YES THANK YOU. Ive been curious about this for so long
@keithwinter5469 3 ай бұрын
Brilliant explanation. I was familiar with the basic earth loop and phase issues caused by using 2 amps but had never considered phase issues caused by digital latency. Nice one chaps!
@johnfrewin7717 3 ай бұрын
In a world of super high end boutique gear, the magic box that makes TPS wet/dry possible is really affordable,I have a Humdinger on ( actually hiding under)both of my boards ,and can say that I expect them to stay there despite every other Pedal getting swapped out over time- many thanks👍🎸
@sebastienboisvert3268 3 ай бұрын
Great stuff....been using 2 amps since forever. I think I got it right but this vid really clarifies a lot of stuff. Thanks
@loganpayne6086 3 ай бұрын
I’ve always run stereo, just in digital. I recently got a tiny terror and it changed my life and I’m looking for another similar small amp right now! Thanks for the video!
@hafstrat 3 ай бұрын
Looking forward to this. After I get back from shopping with the lovely lady of the house. I run two amps after your videos. Awesome!
@chuckfluker9770 3 ай бұрын
Great video! I’m excited to see more! Well done.
@led-head4765 3 ай бұрын
Excellent lesson guys!!!
@jwhouwers 3 ай бұрын
I’ve learned som new things again, thanks guys!
@mike-ml6kn 3 ай бұрын
Gold indeed! I've been asking this question for some time with no definitive answer...till now. Cheers mates!
@cmoore484 3 ай бұрын
That was gold. I have been using stereo outs on pedals for 20 years. I’m gonna have to get a humdinger
@saywhat445 3 ай бұрын
So educational. Thank you for everything.
@InsaneWayne355 3 ай бұрын
Really great explanation of all this. Makes a lot more sense now.
@gejskelly 3 ай бұрын
This was incredibly helpful, especially as the owner of a Belle Epoch Deluxe! Currently on a gear-purchasing hiatus but I could see both dual mono and wet/dry both being investigated fairly early on once the acquisitions start flowing again. Cheers guys!
@davidpowers9023 3 ай бұрын
It is gold. Thank you for taking the Time to put this into proper Phase in my brain :^)
@TheMorphicResident 3 ай бұрын
Great video!! Recently bought the Orange Detonator , now I know why!
@billavonda1604 3 ай бұрын
Great explanation!! very helpful. thanks guys
@jsarty54 3 ай бұрын
Been running 2 amps out of the back of my boss ME 80 for couple years , love it !
@Zeinzu2 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful work boys!!!!!
@andysolomon279 3 ай бұрын
Great explanation re phase/polarity!
@urbanwikstrom9246 3 ай бұрын
Great show! Two Yamaha TRS 10. One an original and the other a "Classic". Lehle splitter. (phase canselling option) Dry signal in amp 1. Wet signal in amp 2. BIG sound in a small appartment.......! I´ve done this for years. Thanks to an early TPS video ........ Thanks Guys...!❤
@ThatPedalShow 3 ай бұрын
Perfect!
@davidLPST 3 ай бұрын
I am set tup wet dry for the tube amps but when I can’t boot those up I also use the humdinger on a katana 50 and a THR 10c for low volume big sound. Make a huge difference to the experience with the digital stuff as well as the tube amps. Thanks to Mick and Dan for this awesome show.
@timchalmers1700 3 ай бұрын
Brilliant ! Thanks for the education - I needed that !
@Tonneback 3 ай бұрын
Great episode as always. You're the best
@birdwoodcbgs71 2 ай бұрын
Excellent video guys . Super helpful.
@julianmetcalfe1070 3 ай бұрын
Thanks guys for making things clearer as it does take some careful for thought before proceeding+you can mess things up quick , getting a terrible sound of wolly mush, good job chaps how many times you see people using the Y cable i did until i got a good pedal
@goodchaun 2 ай бұрын
Best video on this subject. Thank you so damn much
@eearts 3 ай бұрын
Great SPIRITUAL discussion guys 🎉
@SgtJADAN200 3 ай бұрын
I stared using two amps a couple of years ago after watching you guys for awhile. I can't recommend it enough. As an audio engineer I love having a ton of control over the mix of my wet effects in my overall sound. I paired a Goodwood Audio Interface (sorry Dan) with my board to allow me to go to two amps without any of the gremlins that come form running two amps. But it also lets me run my signal in mono if I want to just use one amp.
@curtisivie8535 3 ай бұрын
Great video. I want to try to do a wet dry setup, but it has always seemed too much for me to deal with at the very outset because I don't understand polarity and phase. This is the exact kind of video I needed to give this a shot and feel like I have a chance at success.
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