BIG COMPETITION : The first 3 guilds to post sub 2 hour 30 minute full clear runs to speedrun.com get 2000 gold (200g per player) The first guild to get a sub 2 hour run get's 5000 gold (500g per player)! Rules are on speedrun.com & it needs to be a FRESH RUN (current patch as of this video or later) Contact me on discord when you get your run uploaded! Even if you aren't going for a hyper run, if your team ends up going for a BIG improvement on a full clear, wing clear or boss kill then send it to me as well - I'd love to see what the raid community is up to! You can hop on board Hardstuck discord as well and discuss strategy, glorious victory and of course incredible throws! Good luck, have fun! Bonus meme : read the video description there are loads of links there.

A mentality shift towards utility and self improvement will do wonders for the community.

I'm still fairly new to raiding, but even in these early days I'm of the opinion that good support, consistent success with mechanics and general smoothness is always going to be more important than absolute raw DPS. This fine video clearly proves that this is the case, and I can definitely appreciate all the hard work that's so clearly gone into it (I was fortunate enough to witness some of the world record attempts live, including the sub-two hour run; they were glorious to watch). I can see this being very helpful to the GW2 raiding community in general.

Teapot, I totally agree with your point here. Many people undervalue defensive support because I think they tunnel vision on dps. But when I was learning I was always told "dead dps is no dps" which I think are good words to live by. Anyway, it was actually a blast to go sub 2 hrs the same day you posted the competition, thanks for hosting it!

I recently joined a small static pug not super strict on dps been going as a healbrand/quick condi firebrand and our set up is all over the place, I finally got my first full wing 2 and 3 clears which never had before and I am having fun. I just finished the first part of my legendary armor achievements for raids which makes me I am happy and makes me wanna work to getting other wings done and finish up the armor and try for ring later. I am not usually a great dps but i am finding it fun with healbrand, I did quickness condibrand on xera and we did it in 3 runs but got through. now just need get my ingots for heart then fun of wing 4 to do which i only have complete up to samarog.

8 year GW2 vet. I haven't messed with raiding much. I got the impression that raiding is for people who raid and the rest of us are simply not welcome.

Damnit Teapot, you really always come up with the good vids! Love your approach to raiding, my two guilds are actually pretty casual (we cant clear raids yet, cause bosses like deimos or quadim still smash us in because we are learning mechanics) but we have some great support class players and can kill bosses every single week. This makes me want to bring up my tempest... im still trying to convince my raid leader to let me play but he is so set on having me play druid ^^ maybe i can squeeze it in in a training raid that we do for our newer players. I would really like to see the heal tempest potential myself, i actually never seen a tempest in any of my raids. Thanks for making a stand for non meta raidcomps :D!

Awesome video with some very appreciated advice. Sadly, I don't think the community will get rid of the DPS-is-everything-mentality. ):

The raiding community DRASTICALLY needs a mentality shift. KP is getting completely out of hand, sometimes PUGs demanding HUNDREDS of KP. Insanity! The meta is so mega stale despite a lot of classes being able to contribute just as much if not more unique things to a party, as you said with boon herald, tempest and chrono. It's such a shame.

I'm actually making grps with non meta classes in both frac and raids , a lot of fun to play this way instead of wiping in meta comp Every time grp can't clear math, I simply jump on tempest even thou we have a druid and fb and grp kills him first try People should really consider playing with brain not meta s tier classes just because somebody said that

I wish this was the general consensus in mmo pugs. Not just to avoid the less constructive discussions, but also because for some of us, playing utility-minded (while trying to contribute as much dps as possible, too) is the most fun possible in the game. :)

I think it's interesting the way you go in on all the mechanics and science behind the fighting, and how you can process it and analize and make informed decisions. for me it's just like a foreign language that I can't seem to learn or process. It's frustrating cause I just can't fight well no matter how much I try to learn and improve, so I just can't get into end game contente. I use classes everybody complains are easy and op (necro/reaper/scrouge) and I still bad at it and struggle and die a lot, even though I'm trying to improve since ever, so it just makes it more frustrating. I guess my brain just doesn't work that way.

Good validation of something I've been saying since the beginning of the game.

i always heard GW2 raiding isnt that hard but the real roadblock is finding a group without unrealistic demands or never having time to find a static training group. hopefully more content like this can slowly shift the perception of raiding to have less unrealistic standards of play and make the famed GW2 friendliness reflected in its raid scene too. maybe one day i can finally raid if the community is more tolerant of safe but slower builds. im at the mercy of PUGing group content since i dont have a reliable schedule so i just dont raid. FF14 beats GW2 here, i actually have gotten to raid in that game cause it makes PUGing so much easier and enforces party composition.

Can we get a video of Tempest healer and possibly a look at staff tempest healing?It doesn't give the boons that auramancer does but it is pretty good at reviving and keeping alive.

POV: Me, reading title. "Well, thank FUCK for that" Great video as always, dude. Don't know how long you've been saying that damage isn't the be all and all end all - boons and utility for life. My F4 key is god.

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People think the potential damage is the real one, when in reality, it just isn't. When you have a more dps focused group, you spend a lot of time dodging and avoiding damage, while when in a group like this one, you can spend much more time attacking, and when you aren't, you are still doing sustain dmg with ccs. You need to be a machine to get to the true dmg potential, which is why in reality having a more defensive group like this one can have better results, or at least a much easier fight.

I'm a new player yet, but still enjoy these vids.

It doesn't matter how important damage is. The only guild I found that runs raid trainings requires the player to deal 75% of the benchmark in the golem. I can barely do that for about a fifth of the time a fight with boss would last. The problem isn't the game, it's the players.

finally, I can go back to my beloved chrono jail

How did you manage golems on Soulless horror with that comp?

I'm thinking about returning to the game because of the new expansion, and one thing that for sure drove me away when I quit years ago was how it was perceived as though the endgame PvE content was balanced around everyone having berserker/viper gear (or their other variants). If we wiped or if we wiped with the fractal boss living at 10% health, the fingers would start pointing at people about DPS. Idk if it was metabattle or whatever the heck pushing this mentality, but it sucked. In other games it's fine, but with how annoying condis can get, the wacky RNG with the mechanics, it's nice to have a "cheese" or tanky setup available. I'm glad that more customization and "bring what you want to the team" is perhaps coming back to the forefront.

I looked for a link to the super cheesy Raid composition in the description, but didn’t find anything. Do you have a different video that describes what Raid composition is the most likely to succeed at killing all of the Raids?

You should include Sloth golden slubling as a CM :)

Ahh getting reminiscent pangs of Nemesis was right vibes :)

shouldnt u do 5cms while doing clears? for weekly

Teapot has become nemesis.

I totally agree that synergy and sustainability beats DPS. And slight overlap of roles provides buffer for unexpected situations. I wonder what about a specs that bring no utility like virtuoso... Is my dream spec doomed to be benched for raid experience?

good vibes

this video actually proves dps and comps really matter

Shout out to Taja in Hardstuck last night who did a wing 4 training. Not only did we clear Cairn CM, but we cleared the whole wing. Really thankful for all the hard work you all in the raid community do.

Yo teapot can u maybe share your video settings?

So uh... Is a healer Scrapper still no bueno or should I read into this buffing Chronomancer dude? :(

Reminds me of something in WoW with "bring the player not the class".

3:35 *What is that demon in the corner?* 🥲

3:33 It's almost like someone was (top) right all along.

I know that it isnt important. But is the only metric mesurable in the game. Other metrics should be who is resiving more damage without die, whos buffing and supporting more, whos evading and blocking more, etc. I know that because when i play alone, some of my characters that do more damage sometimes die more. When you use gear with more power, presition and ferocity, you are dropping down your durability and vitability.

I find dps to be frustraiting, like with 280ms some skills need to be heavily spammed or they don't register. Hence why I'm far more comfortable with support such as druid/quickbrand.. trying to find a class that doesn't mind higher latency. Thinking perhaps a condi class might work, but still.. no clue!

you have some very pro raiders in that group tho

Me and my daughter been playing gw2 I've not played in long time.. Where looking to join a friendly and helpful guild. Has anyone got a good guild we could join so we can start wvw fractal raids esc.

Renegade? Why not Mirage for 25migh and Alacrity? ... just curious.

Off meta? Subscribed

very nice mr stremer

Sadly my main IRL group constantly times out on Whisper of Jormag and uses this video as "evidence" that we do not need to work on DPS even though 7 of our players are sub 4k DPS

it takes you 2 hours to kill all the bosses and it takes me 2 hours to not kill gorseval wild

this is very good for inexperienced and random groups but i enjoy high risk/reward and playing more than 1 build too much

So how do you teach this to the community?🤣

Used to be a decent WoW raider with a number of server firsts under my belt. Raiding is mostly about mechanics and staying alive. A dead DPS does no DPS.

b-but how about firebrand

Where is our gold wtf?????

Pretty sure that damage matters more then anything, what you’re saying is that you do MORE damage by having everyone alive.

I didn't try raids, because expectations are too high. as long as people learn the bosses and know the mechanic stuff won't go downhill as fast. But if you limit the playpool by only choosing the claimed best possible setup you might still fail and waste more time until you get a run. I heard that raids aren't played that much anymore so raid elitist players are forced to abandon their principle or else they are no longer able to do the raids.

Truth be told, too much of the gw2 community is far too much focused on dps and metabattle Only really good veteran players can play a glass cannon properly without going down all the time and be a liability If you constantly hug the floor you can’t do damage ^^

I do agree with you teapot (mostly), however making a comp too safe e.g bringing a hscg or barrier providers all the time would make players trying to learn a fight too comfortable and potentially make new raiders worse players overall... however this comp in moderation is great especially in experienced full clears

Tell that to ppl who leave cuz u have two hfb and druid. Actually had one of those guys in my squad. Also even 4 healers are fine imo as long as they doing bit of different things as boons,cc etc. People rather wipe and complain about others rather than one shot it with safe comps lol

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As much as I want to agree, abusing scourge who doels 37k dps, with an easy rotation, has 20k hp and shares barrier to other scourges. is not something an argument for making safe comps. Scourge and firebrand are out of whack, and you'd be less confident doing this back when scourge did a meme 29k dps.

Teapot u r giving newbies the wrong idea with that tile. Let me correct it. "Not doing big DPS is fine but doing decent dps is" Have you tried doing a raid with a group with an average of 6-8k dps? Go ahead and try it. If you are confident in your skills to complete the mechanics then yes its fine but dragging the fight will not only make it harder for newbies as it has a higher chance for them to fail mechanics and you are also giving your healer a hard time keeping everyone alive.

How willing are you to tell the DPS religious maniacs to shut their mouths and block them?, because until that happens the community won't change.

I'm totally for alternative compositions, but you're trying to prove that you can make things easier going off-meta while at the same time stacking broken classes. That doesn't help you to support your assumption. What you're showing is not "not going meta", there is the meta of capable and extremely organized speedrunners an there is the pugs meta. The fact that pugs in raid still didn't embrace completely the scourge meta doesn't mean it's not the best option right now, but just that people over there compared to the fractal crowd overestimate their ability way too much and prefer to stick to old strategies despite not being able pull them off efficently most of the times. The problem here is that you can't have the same results with EVERY class. Some will perform drastically worse. With scourge you basically play a dps class and have little to no changes in your build to accomodate for those cheesy runs. With other classes you would need way more variation, making it harder to organize in pugs. Also creating conditions that make you ignore mechanics is kinda sad, at some point what will be the difference in playing an autorun mmorrpg? In high end content we should be rewarded, I dare to say, highly rewarded (combat-wise) for respecting them. Phasing with bursts in fractals, abusing epidemic, stacking classes, spamming aegis, all of this is getting out of hand. How about making dodges and positioning really important instead? How about being carried more by the knowledge of the fight of each player instead of your party builds? I wouldn't consider myself elitist, I'm may even not be that good of a player, but to me it looks we're simply dumbing down the game. I want inclusivity, but I don't really like the way they're trying to achieve it. More levels of difficulty would be, imo, way better than creating mechanics and at the same time powecreeping things to the point that people can simply ignore them.

Do run without necro zzzzz