How to wire and properly ground a 30 Amp sub-panel

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Clint Hightower

Clint Hightower

3 жыл бұрын

This video demonstrates How to wire and properly ground a 30 Amp sub-panel. Perform at your own risk. If not comfortable, do not perform.

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@1akmason
@1akmason 28 күн бұрын
I know this video was posted three years ago but I’m just gonna say it I am a train engineer, specialized in electronics and you did a better job than a lot of the so-called professionals out there.
@drewsalazar5208
@drewsalazar5208 5 ай бұрын
Great video. Short and to the point. The ground bar! That was the key piece of info. The first time I powered it on, I tripped the breaker. Saw the video, bought the ground bar, and wired it right. Thank you, brother.
@lanitagrice7644
@lanitagrice7644 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect explanation! I especially like the still shots after each step. Thank you!
@GreenmanWood
@GreenmanWood Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU for explaining what most others omit! You've probably saved many lives.
@PaulBailey3
@PaulBailey3 2 жыл бұрын
One of the better videos I've seen on this subject.
@fadidebs7027
@fadidebs7027 Жыл бұрын
Finally found a video that acutally answered my question for an outdoor box that didnt come with a ground bar but came only with a stupid green screw that wasnt screwed to the panel by the manufacturer and to regular people thats confusing. This explained it well thank you brother
@alliancemediagroup9176
@alliancemediagroup9176 2 жыл бұрын
This was exactly what I wanted to learn. Thank you
@Scrambler85
@Scrambler85 3 жыл бұрын
You explained things very well, the information is appreciated and a thumbs up for the video 👍🏽
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! :)
@billmichalchuk5453
@billmichalchuk5453 3 жыл бұрын
Very good video plain and simple thanks
@NeptuneNoire
@NeptuneNoire Жыл бұрын
I love your video dude, it's perfectly explained and you even showed shots after it was done.
@briannorton3205
@briannorton3205 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Clint. Very informative video!
@4btcumminsyukon
@4btcumminsyukon 2 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial! Thank you
@adlerarmory8382
@adlerarmory8382 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Mr Hightower, running some 8/3 direct burial out to my new metal barn, to a Square D 30amp 2 space 2 Circuit Lug service panel is my current priority project, 15 amp for outlets and 15 amp for overhead LED lights (or 20amp outlets 10 amp for LED lights)
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a nicely planned project.
@TwilightxKnight13
@TwilightxKnight13 Жыл бұрын
Just remember that by code if the subpanel is in a separate building you must install ground rods to protect that building in addition to the ground wire that runs from the main panel.
@97kt69
@97kt69 Жыл бұрын
I have had mine completely wrong for 20 years lol but I ordered parts to change it now😂 TY
@rexwatkins5570
@rexwatkins5570 2 жыл бұрын
Nice. May be able to apply this to a 30 amp subpanel in my cargo trailer/RV, relying on the trailer park's shore power ground to earth.
@ReelNow
@ReelNow 2 жыл бұрын
I work in high rise construction doing electrical. Seeing you strip that cable with the knife scared me a bit, it would be much faster, safer and easier to use a proper tool like the Knipex comfort grip cable cutting pliers. Other than that I really enjoyed your video and it was informative. I’m only a 2nd year apprentice but i’m learning a lot thanks to great videos like this! 👍
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 2 жыл бұрын
You are right, I shouldn't have used a knife. But I was too lazy to go get my stripper. Full disclosure. :)
@shannon1872
@shannon1872 Жыл бұрын
@@Engineerboy100 I always like seeing old school guys doing this stuff...Father inlaw has been an electrician for 40 years and will strip wires with anything handy. He will use a pair of dykes to strip it....I tried it once but I always cut the wire by mistake lol.
@rlehmanmig
@rlehmanmig 5 ай бұрын
Bro! Isn’t that about a $180 knife?! Great video. Tx!
@stevencoughran6115
@stevencoughran6115 8 ай бұрын
Hey,very good video you explained it perfect, thank you for sharing
@heroknaderi
@heroknaderi 3 жыл бұрын
Good job very informative thanks 🙏 and since you used 8awg you can upsize the breaker to 40 amps if you needed more power 😎👍
@11bravoNRD
@11bravoNRD 3 жыл бұрын
this depends on the distance from the main panel. larger wire may be required due to voltage drop. but if its close enough you are correct.
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 3 жыл бұрын
30 amps is the max this circuit can carry. The breaker from the main is 30 amp AND the wiring in the house is Aluminum, so 30 amps max.
@rodgerstewart6616
@rodgerstewart6616 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your information
@sethrich2790
@sethrich2790 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect, thank you.
@tlg065
@tlg065 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks awesome same size I’m putting in 💪
@Merescat
@Merescat 3 жыл бұрын
Great job! and subbed
@bobewing344
@bobewing344 5 ай бұрын
Great video!!
@mikezimmerman2786
@mikezimmerman2786 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job
@dougwhite8394
@dougwhite8394 Жыл бұрын
Great video Clint. Was curious if “Noalox” was needed on those feeders or were they copper?
@wt9653
@wt9653 5 ай бұрын
Can you run 6/2 feeder cable to feed 30 amp sub panel instead 6/3. The 6/2 will be plugged into RV 30 amp socket.
@ericridout5524
@ericridout5524 Жыл бұрын
Do you have to use a separate ground screw attached to the box before the ground bar or is the ground bar also grounding the box?
@JBrinx18
@JBrinx18 Жыл бұрын
So if I only have black white and green, do I just split the black and put the other black where the red would go?
@AllAroundTube50
@AllAroundTube50 11 ай бұрын
What kind of wire did you use to get the mains power to the sub panel?
@radielquijano8684
@radielquijano8684 5 ай бұрын
Instead of putting one double pole 240v breaker, could I put 2 separate 120v breakers?
@twisttwister8254
@twisttwister8254 Жыл бұрын
Ok U have to add a separate bar. 🎉finally this makes sense. Lol. Thanks for help out...couldn't figure where the ground went...now i know 😂
@PinchTune
@PinchTune 3 жыл бұрын
What size feed wires are you using for the panel. Those look like 8 AWG. I just ran a 60 amp subpanel with 6-6-6-10 AWG wires. I'm about to wire a 30amp subpanel and I'm trying to decide between 8-8-8-10 or 10-10-10-12 wires. I might go 8 to err in the size of larger.
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 3 жыл бұрын
I used 8 AWG.
@noneya3504
@noneya3504 2 жыл бұрын
When in doubt always go with the heavier gauge wire. Might be a little more expensive but it is safer.
@TwilightxKnight13
@TwilightxKnight13 Жыл бұрын
Depending on how far away it is from your main panel, the 60amp panel may have required #4 awg wire to account for the voltage drop. For a 30amp panel, again if the distance is short (up to roughly 50-75 feet) use #10awg wire. If it is closer to 100ft or more, upsize to #8awg
@benjones8977
@benjones8977 2 жыл бұрын
Where are the wires coming from and where are they going from the subpanel? Thanks
@Eddy63
@Eddy63 3 жыл бұрын
Thought I was watching Jim Bowie for a sec ... Lol ... Good vid ...
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 3 жыл бұрын
ROFL lol you like that knife huh? Yes, she's a bute :) good eye mate!
@Cdswjp
@Cdswjp 11 ай бұрын
thank you
@michaelcouey1383
@michaelcouey1383 Жыл бұрын
My building was built in the 50s. There's no neutral, just two hot legs, and the new 70A four circuit subpanel ground comes from the EMT conduit leading back to the main service panel. How do I handle the neutral wires of the circuits that will come out of the subpanel in this case? There will be one 20A 240v circuit, and two 20A 120v circuits (if this is possible without neutral). The previous panel at this location was just a 240 disconnect switch for a piece of equipment that's no longer here.
@TwilightxKnight13
@TwilightxKnight13 Жыл бұрын
Generally speaking, if you are upgrading your electrical, you must bring it up to code. If there is conduit, you need to add a neutral wire and a ground from the main panel to the subpanel. I am working on a 1950s home myself and I doubt you'll be able to do that. If the wire is run underground in conduit, it is probably long size rotted away. So, you will generally have two choices, one is to use direct burial cable, the other is to dig a trench and bury new conduit that you can use to pull in new wire. If you are not experienced with and comfortable with this project, you really should consider hiring an electrician to do it for you.
@Yoglawm
@Yoglawm 2 жыл бұрын
Help. I'm running 2 Hot plus Neutral and Ground from Main Panel to a 30A Subpanel (4 conductor total). At Main Panel, neutral and ground shares same point of connection. Question is, is it okay to just utilize existing ground and neutral at Main Panel? Or should I install a separate ground for the Subpanel? Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks for the video also.
@TwilightxKnight13
@TwilightxKnight13 Жыл бұрын
The grounding (green) and the grounded (white/neutral) should be bonded (connected) at the main main, but NOT as the sub panel. You should install a separate ground bar like the video shows to keep the green ground and the white neutral separate in the subpanel. Also, keep in mind that if the subpanel is in a separate building like a shed, or detached garage, you also have to add ground rods to protect that building. Properly size the grounding conductor from the rods to the subpanel per the code based on the size (amps) of the subpanel and connect the wire to the ground bar so that it is bonded to the green ground wire you brought in from the main panel.
@mimiw6908
@mimiw6908 3 жыл бұрын
Im using a 30 amp box for my van conversion Ill be splitting it to 2 breakers is the connection the same?
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 3 жыл бұрын
The connection would be the same, I split mine to two breakers as well.
@andrerodriguez7603
@andrerodriguez7603 Жыл бұрын
What gauge wire do you use for a 30amp sub panel for power in?
@mwelsh64
@mwelsh64 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Boss! Great video with important info for me. Do you happen to know what model Square D box that is? Thanks!!
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 2 жыл бұрын
I don't recall the exact model but I got it from Home Depot.
@mwelsh64
@mwelsh64 2 жыл бұрын
@@Engineerboy100 I will there digging through their boxes! Thanks again!
@TwilightxKnight13
@TwilightxKnight13 Жыл бұрын
It is a Square D QO 70-Amp 2-Space 4 Circuit Outdoor Main Lug Load Center, model # QO24L70RBCP available from most home improvement centers
@MikeArroyoMAFITNESS
@MikeArroyoMAFITNESS 2 жыл бұрын
what size wire gauge are you using? What size wire gauge would you use for a 60 amp sub panel. Thank you.
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 2 жыл бұрын
There are a few factors that must be considered to choose the correct size wire for your application. I don't know the conditions, temperature, run distance etc so I don't want to give you a specific gauge size that said it is pretty standard to select a gauge size a little bigger than the amps required for your application to cover for resistance losses etc. check out a few charts like the one at this link and read a bit about the specifics or your situation and you should be able to choose a safe size. www.how-to-wire-it.com/romex-cable.html
@TwilightxKnight13
@TwilightxKnight13 Жыл бұрын
If your subpanel is less than 100ft from the main panel, a 60amp feeder would generally use #4 awg wire. As you approach 100-150ft, you will need to upsize the wire to #3 to compensate for voltage drop. In general, circuits use the following wire sizes: 15amp - 14awg 20amp - 12awg 30amp - 10awg 40amp - 8awg 50amp - 6awg 60amp - 4awg Of course those are just the baselines and the specifics of your project might dictate upsizing or allow downsizing. Generally speaking, if you do not have access to and do not understand how to use an NEC codebook, you should hire a professional to do your electrical work. Of all the things in your house, electrical is perhaps the most dangerous. Don't risk you life or that of your family by assuming you know what you are doing.
@yt571423
@yt571423 2 жыл бұрын
Finally, I got my question answered. I have the same exact situation. I have been all over youtube and all I get is a politician answer, bulls@@@t answers that tell me nothing. They avoid my question and tell me what they want too.
@leetomlee7265
@leetomlee7265 9 ай бұрын
Is the ground connected and attached to the main panel? Thanks for sharing. Could we use solid wire?
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 7 ай бұрын
Yes. The ground that I used was installed when the house was built new. I just repurposed the line which was originally for a spa.
@leetomlee7265
@leetomlee7265 7 ай бұрын
@@Engineerboy100 Thanks.
@MrCbell57
@MrCbell57 11 ай бұрын
If you don’t have a ground coming from the main box won’t you need to Tie in a new ground bar like you say, then has a ground rod tied to it? My house was grandfathered and has an out building garage. Not attached. It has #6 aluminum wire connected to it with two hits and a neutral. No ground coming from the 200p upgraded service. Inspector signed off on it not having a ground to garage from house and not being grounded at the garage.
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 10 ай бұрын
Yes. Mine ground was installed when the house was built, so yes, if there is not an existing ground installed by a licensed electrician, then one should be installed.
@imaslowlerner
@imaslowlerner Жыл бұрын
Did you have to drive a new ground rod? Thanks.
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 Жыл бұрын
A ground rod should usually be added, I added one when we install our back-up generator. On this small panel I did not add another rod because the original wiring when the house was built was already grounded for a spa so I just removed the spa and installed this panel. The contractors that build the house grounded these wires from when the house was new.
@Djm9393
@Djm9393 3 жыл бұрын
did you also run a ground rod to the subpanel or no
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 3 жыл бұрын
I did not in this instance but you can also do a ground rod which will not hurt.
@Djm9393
@Djm9393 3 жыл бұрын
@@Engineerboy100 I see so when do you need to run a ground rod or is it just for preference
@dylanherne6093
@dylanherne6093 2 жыл бұрын
@@Djm9393 I believe you need to run to a ground rod when the sub panel is in a separate building from the main... I could be wrong and it may differ state to state
@TwilightxKnight13
@TwilightxKnight13 Жыл бұрын
@@dylanherne6093 That is correct. Assuming your jurisdiction is using the NEC code (which they should), it requires ground rod/s be installed if the subpanel is in a separate building from the main panel
@lesterwatson8519
@lesterwatson8519 2 жыл бұрын
You did not mention removing the grounding screw or bonding screw from the neutral bus bar if it is not removed you did not separate the ground from the neutral bus or the box.
@TwilightxKnight13
@TwilightxKnight13 Жыл бұрын
You generally don't remove it from a new panel, as they usually do not come installed. If it is a main panel, you add the bonding screw. Though your suggestion to be sure there is no bonding screw in a subpanel is a good practice.
@biginmb
@biginmb 3 жыл бұрын
I have only 3 wires going into my panel.My breaker box has room for 4 single breakers.Thinking I got to jump my Hot wire to hit all 4 .
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 3 жыл бұрын
Have your local electrician look at what you have.
@durangodave
@durangodave Жыл бұрын
where does the other end of the green wire go
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 Жыл бұрын
It goes to the main panel on the house.
@MrWhite-fo3es
@MrWhite-fo3es 2 жыл бұрын
What about a grounding rod?
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 2 жыл бұрын
Grounding rod is in another video for my generator at 1:00 minutes in, I post a link here. I have two grounding rods, one for the main panel and one for another subpanel. There is no "ground over-load" there are plenty of rods 8 foot deep is the shallow one. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hdh5rdOj28iXmKs.html
@cartertucker8915
@cartertucker8915 3 жыл бұрын
If that's his electric knife. I'd like to see what his protection knife 🔪 looks like
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 3 жыл бұрын
lol :) it's a sling-blade ;)
@sergioperez2325
@sergioperez2325 2 жыл бұрын
What if I’m only running 115 volt, 6/2 how would I connect it
@Griffism
@Griffism 2 жыл бұрын
110?
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. 110 volt.
@herbiesnerd
@herbiesnerd 3 жыл бұрын
Great video…..right until you whipped out a pocketknife!
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 3 жыл бұрын
That's not a pocket knife son, that's a $385.00 Zero tolerance carried by Navy seals and myself. ;) .... a very useful multi-application tool :)
@herbiesnerd
@herbiesnerd 3 жыл бұрын
@@Engineerboy100 you get an A+ for effort. I’m a tool guy. It’s just the wrong tool all day long. Get yourself a pair of these to start. Klein Tools - 11055KLE 11055 Wire Cutter and Wire Stripper, Stranded Wire Cutter, Solid Wire Cutter, Cuts Copper Wire Blue/Yellow www.amazon.com/dp/B00080DPNQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_CXHPCGG2WW1RZN30JFDN
@marvinjackson2641
@marvinjackson2641 10 ай бұрын
now go from the panel to the device(s)
@Ithinkimaybealesbian
@Ithinkimaybealesbian 2 жыл бұрын
Use a self tapper on the ground buss,goes quicker
@TwilightxKnight13
@TwilightxKnight13 Жыл бұрын
By NEC code, you may only use the screw/s listed by the manufacturer for mounting a ground bar. The hole in the box is already drilled the correct size and the screw that comes with the ground bar is designed to tap as it is driven.
@johndavies2949
@johndavies2949 8 ай бұрын
The screw provided has a machine thread so mor threads are in contact with the metal can. A self tapping screw only allows for 1 thread in contact with the metal.
@deborahabercrombie9461
@deborahabercrombie9461 3 жыл бұрын
on a sub the ground runs back to the main not grounded to the box in washington state anyway
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that green wire runs back to the main panel and grounds everything in the box for safety. It could have been run to it's own dedicated 8' grounding rod as well.
@noneya3504
@noneya3504 2 жыл бұрын
Depending on the distance of the sub panel from the main panel you may not need a separate ground rod (in KY if its more than 12 ft from the main panel a separate earth ground is required.
@thomasmarable6818
@thomasmarable6818 2 жыл бұрын
@@noneya3504 is that true if in same building or if its in a separate building, like the NEC says.
@70elco28
@70elco28 Жыл бұрын
All metal parts shall be grounded / bonded to the grounding system of the electrical supply
@TwilightxKnight13
@TwilightxKnight13 Жыл бұрын
Every state requires that panels be grounded. We may not be talking about the same thing, but the ground bar installed in the subpanel is connected/bonded to the box by way of the mounting screw. The important thing is the the green ground is NOT connected to the white/neutral in the subpanel. If there is a green bonding screw running through the neutral bar into the panel, it must be removed. The neutral buss (grounded conductors) and the ground buss (grounding conductors) are ONLY bonded/connected at the first means of disconnect. For some that is the main service panel. For others it is a separate disconnect panel.
@chrismcmahon7230
@chrismcmahon7230 11 ай бұрын
Anyone watching please remove your jewlery watches, braceletes etc. I knkw this circuit wasn't "live" but if your working on a panel with the service in it, it could be hot and arc if you're not careful.
@70elco28
@70elco28 Жыл бұрын
Your terminology is incorrect, if this is actually being used as a sub panel powering different equipment it is illegal, the smallest SUB panel allowed is 60 amp requiring #6 AWG wire, now if this is a disconnect switch for one device such as an air compressor or hot tub than it can be used like this.
@TwilightxKnight13
@TwilightxKnight13 Жыл бұрын
I don't want to say you are wrong because you may not be talking about the same thing, but there is nothing in the code requiring subpanels to have a minimun breaker size. Only that is there more than one circuit in the subpanel, it must include a single point of disconnect. So, technically yes, it looks like this panel will be in violation because it will contain two circuits without a single means of disconnect. Unless the breaker he installs has mechanical connection between the breakers. I am installing the exact same panel in my shed with a 30amp feeder (#10awg). It will pass through a separate disconnect (same kind I use for the A/C) and then to the subpanel. The subpanel will have two tandem breakers that could theoretically support four circuits. It will also integrate separate ground rods. This setup is completely legal. Also, your suggestion of using #6 for a 60amp feeder demonstrates a lack of NEC code understanding. The length of the wire run will also determine what size wire to use. If the distance is only say 50-75ft, then #6 is okay, but anything longer than that you have to account for voltage drop. A professional electrician will use #4awg for a 60amp feeder. This can also be affected by loads that are continuous like radiant coil heat or perhaps a air compressor.
@Maintenance_Mark
@Maintenance_Mark 3 жыл бұрын
Play this video at 2x speed to make his speech pattern normal speed.
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 3 жыл бұрын
ROFL lol Come on man :)
@TwilightxKnight13
@TwilightxKnight13 Жыл бұрын
Or for christ's sake man, get a pair of wire strippers. using that knife is terribly unsafe
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 Жыл бұрын
lol ok, I will :)
@eaker8892
@eaker8892 10 ай бұрын
Enjoyed and informed! Also, I love the knife!
@Fuknorthcarolina
@Fuknorthcarolina 4 ай бұрын
What if the grounds and neutral are on the same bar in the main panel?
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