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How to worldbuild: Religion

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James Tullos

James Tullos

Күн бұрын

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@martinsriber7760
@martinsriber7760 4 жыл бұрын
Also one religion isn't same everywhere forever. It varies between places and changes over time.
@Discitus
@Discitus 4 жыл бұрын
Authors disregarding that is one of my pet peeves in fantasy. Christianity splintered right from the start, with fighting over what books to include, the nature of Jesus, and so on. It only changes more with distance and time. Religion 1000 years ago will be very different from religion now. The religion of the south will be different from the religion of the far north. They might worship the same god and use the same core texts, yet they'll disagree, brand each other heretics, and fight wars over it.
@martinsriber7760
@martinsriber7760 4 жыл бұрын
@@METALFREAK03 Religion being constant is not believable.
@marcusjr80
@marcusjr80 4 жыл бұрын
@@METALFREAK03 naaaah... stop lying. There are multiple sects within the same religion that varies quite differently in their beliefs. Christianity in its current state or at least the catholic side is the renegade cousin. Islam have more in common with Judaism than both of them with Christianity, as in both of them are true monotheists not a trinity. There also exist Christian sects that don't believe Jesus's godhood, only that he is a prophet, like what the Muslims believe.
@jacksonp2397
@jacksonp2397 4 жыл бұрын
If you the religious expansion has been swifty and recent (meaning past 50 years), then traditions may not have had enough time to change
@urhsusnikvrecic1478
@urhsusnikvrecic1478 3 жыл бұрын
Hello there, fellow Janez
@GameTornado01
@GameTornado01 4 жыл бұрын
Idea: Have a religion with four gods and each one be linked to one of the cardinal directions. So when praying to god A you face north, when praying to god B you face east and so forth.
@lizadon0740
@lizadon0740 4 жыл бұрын
That’s genius.
@fillername236
@fillername236 3 жыл бұрын
What if the person is blind?
@arcturus4762
@arcturus4762 3 жыл бұрын
@@fillername236 Sit on spinny chair and play god roulette
@imiguifurr
@imiguifurr 3 жыл бұрын
So kinda like a wiccan ritual
@parvonik1359
@parvonik1359 2 жыл бұрын
islam already has this (pray towards mecca)
@Akixkisu
@Akixkisu 4 жыл бұрын
I'm curious to read the comments in a few days.
@greenergrass4060
@greenergrass4060 4 жыл бұрын
Im expecting bible verse comments from devout you know whos. And theyll usually end on a line in all caps like : "JESUS LOVES YOU :) "
@wen5942
@wen5942 2 жыл бұрын
Read the comments
@kvothekingkiller1754
@kvothekingkiller1754 4 жыл бұрын
next make a worldbuilding on politics and explain the difference between the 149 different forms of anarchism, because don't have a fkn clue
@redhippopotamus9144
@redhippopotamus9144 4 жыл бұрын
And which ones are truly anarchy
@JamesTullos
@JamesTullos 4 жыл бұрын
Neither do I, nobody does.
@kvothekingkiller1754
@kvothekingkiller1754 4 жыл бұрын
@@redhippopotamus9144 def not ancap
@florbengorben7651
@florbengorben7651 4 жыл бұрын
I'd suggest watching the video "various schools of anarchism explained with tacos"
@stefanmarkovic8424
@stefanmarkovic8424 4 жыл бұрын
Anarchism won't get you anywhere anyways, Marxism Leninism is the only way that actually works
@thetwelfth9987
@thetwelfth9987 4 жыл бұрын
James: I wanted to tackle something uncontroversial so let’s talk about religion *16 mins later* James: religion is a pretty controversial topic
@auggiemain
@auggiemain 4 жыл бұрын
Yes you got the joke
@tcoren1
@tcoren1 4 жыл бұрын
Sammie and then finishes the video with ACAB
@4OTrue
@4OTrue 2 жыл бұрын
KZfaq commenter discovers sarcasm
@connorthornberg
@connorthornberg 2 жыл бұрын
@@tcoren1 based anarchist james
@bracklinnnorah6390
@bracklinnnorah6390 4 жыл бұрын
I think the relationship between religion and magic is not well enough explored in most books where it is present. There's often a lot of "magic is heresy, suppress it," but do some people see magic as a religious gift? Do religions disagree about it? Do people dispute whether events from scripture are magic or miracle? Etc, etc
@johannageisel5390
@johannageisel5390 4 жыл бұрын
That's why I like about the Elenium saga by David Eddings. In there, the magic users get their magic only granted by gods. The funny thing is, the main characters have to pray to a goddess that is not even from their own religion. XD davideddings.fandom.com/wiki/Knight_Orders#Pandion_Knights
@ericklejardi4352
@ericklejardi4352 4 жыл бұрын
Warbreaker by Brandon Sanderson answers like all of these decently well. I just finished reading it. Was dope
@rdes225
@rdes225 3 жыл бұрын
Religion and magic is more explored in video games, like dark souls
@Mecharnie_Dobbs
@Mecharnie_Dobbs Жыл бұрын
In worlds where magic verifiably works, Is it even a religion? "Every winter solstice, I sacrifice a virgin in the name of Baliol and he grants me eternal life and shape-shifting abilities" "So, what you're saying is that you're a vampire?"
@tore-briarrosa913
@tore-briarrosa913 Жыл бұрын
I know this is two years old, but in early religious communities, there’s never really a distinction between magic and miracles (including medicine as well!)
@r1ddhima
@r1ddhima 4 жыл бұрын
A book that had a great religious influence was The Priory of the Orange Tree. The people of this world believed that the bloodline of the queens was what’s keeping the big evil guy in prison, and that the queens were descended from the union of a divine knight and maiden. It’s not totally confirmed in world that this is the truth, so there’s also other religions that deify the maiden, but dispute the divinity of the knight. And then there’s other religions who don’t worship the maiden and worship dragons (who are real and alive). I thought it was a good example of religion playing an important role in creating conflict.
@lizadon0740
@lizadon0740 4 жыл бұрын
I finaly found someone else who read that book.
@mzslk
@mzslk 2 жыл бұрын
I take that book as an example of how I want to tackle religion in my book. It's so fleshed out and nuanced.
@ironwraith852
@ironwraith852 Жыл бұрын
Kinda sounds similar to how some sects of Christianity don't place as much value in The Virgin Mary as Catholicism does. Or, how Mohammed believed Jesus to be a prophet, and not the son of God.
@smergthedargon8974
@smergthedargon8974 Жыл бұрын
When given the option, worshiping dragons is clearly the correct choice.
@thefandomfish3071
@thefandomfish3071 4 жыл бұрын
me, a fantasy writer: *taking notes furiously*
@justarandomgal2683
@justarandomgal2683 4 жыл бұрын
Religious Literacy can be summarized in three key assumptions about religion. It is not simply learning every detail about world religions. 3 Things Everyone Should Know About Religion kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gZh3q7WEvJ6ocXk.html&t=
@JM-mh1pp
@JM-mh1pp 4 жыл бұрын
me, a guy who wants to be rich: taking notes furiously.
@iiMEiii
@iiMEiii 4 жыл бұрын
I would recommend the martyrmade podcast episode 7-8-9 for the religious ideas and 3 for the culture different cultures have
@premiersportingkc3443
@premiersportingkc3443 4 жыл бұрын
As a religious scholar and part time sci-fi author, I couldn't agree more with this analysis. Religious faith is an infinitely complex topic, as it incorporates spirituality, philosophy, history, literature, mathematics, mysticism, politics, and a variety of other topics. Being a scholar of religion means you don't just study spirituality, but all of these other things influencing by spirituality and which influence spirituality. It annoys me when writers take a simplistic approach to faith, where the protagonist is either unwavering in goodness and piety, or the only brilliant thinker among a sea of "unthinking sheeple" (way to self-project, authors). In truth, religious faith manifests itself in innumerable ways, so creating simplistic structures is just lazy writing. Religion in real life informs human complexities. Therefore, if you desire verisimilitude in your writings, the same should seen with religious worldbuilding.
@szymonnowicki8412
@szymonnowicki8412 4 жыл бұрын
Do you have your writing somewhere to read?
@prophetofbeans6781
@prophetofbeans6781 4 жыл бұрын
Not really religiously based: It's always bugged me that in most fantasy stories, whenever a character tells the legend of something, or tells a spooky story, IT'S ALWAYS TRUE. The absolutism and the lack of wonder really pull me out of a story. The big exception I can think of is ASOIAF where George likes to misdirect the reader. If there are others, I'd like to hear about them as I don't read half of what I should
@cartooningfanart
@cartooningfanart 3 жыл бұрын
Whether we believe in religion or not (both have advantages and disadvantages) It's important we do not play God. And it's important we do not become devils against each other.
@b00tsiew00tsie
@b00tsiew00tsie 3 жыл бұрын
I like how prophecies are presented in Percy Jackson, they always have some kind of twist to make it mysterious enough to where you want to know how things will pan out, but still stays grounded enough to where you don't feel like the twist came out of left field.
@mzslk
@mzslk 2 жыл бұрын
Priory of the Orange Tree is an excellent example of that
@tompatterson1548
@tompatterson1548 2 жыл бұрын
Good thing I have regional variation of some stories in my world.
@tompatterson1548
@tompatterson1548 2 жыл бұрын
@@b00tsiew00tsie I bet riordan added them in after writing the first draft too.
@Gear3k
@Gear3k 4 жыл бұрын
One can look at the stories of old travelers (like Ibn Battuta) to see how important it was to those people to find people of the same faith on their journeys. You could travel to distant countries inhabited by people with very different customs or languages, but as long as you find someone with the same faith you'll be welcomed and find hospitality. Religion was something that could tie people together even if they lived at the opposite ends of the known world, something that nothing else back then could accomplish. Considering how common travel is in fantasy stories you'd think this kind of thing would come up at least occasionally but...nope!
@g3th_
@g3th_ 4 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty good point actually. My guess would be that the average fantasy world is either monotheistic with everyone worshipping the same god except for the baddies or pantheistic and as such there's enough religious tolerance to find hospitality wherever despite of your faith. But what you say would make for a pretty interesting and unique atmosphere in, say, a DnD campaign.
@slavajuri
@slavajuri 4 жыл бұрын
Underrated comments here.
@antoniopaneguini7927
@antoniopaneguini7927 4 жыл бұрын
Even in the modern world, as a catholic, when I lived in Japan, the people japanese from Nagasaki were very happy to talk with me about stuff (most japanese are actually) when I told them I was a cath. It was just ater the pope visited the city one week before even.
@ironwraith852
@ironwraith852 Жыл бұрын
@@antoniopaneguini7927 Crazy to think about, isn't it?
@rattias2217
@rattias2217 4 жыл бұрын
Italy has a secular religion: Soccer.
@wykon6700
@wykon6700 4 жыл бұрын
You meant most of Europe ?
@arcturus4762
@arcturus4762 3 жыл бұрын
@@wykon6700 Literally all South America
@flowerfield3468
@flowerfield3468 Ай бұрын
*Football
@terrorbyte5352
@terrorbyte5352 4 жыл бұрын
I always feel overwhelmed when I look at world building. There’s so many layers, and different variables that, I don’t know where to start
@Derkosson
@Derkosson 4 жыл бұрын
The good advice would be to just start with something minor, like a village. Then ask yourself question about how this village works, and answering those questions will establish the important part of the world as well. Essentially, you tackle this big layered project by answering the questions you have when they come up. Exemple: There's this village called Wolfriver. Why? Cause its main exports is wolf pelts, and its next to a river. How does it export? It sails the river to other cities and towns. If people sail those waters regularely, do they also do some fishing in it? Normally they would, but their religion forbids it. Why? Because the whole kingdom is linked together by a network of rivers, lakes, streams and seas, so the priests teach that you shouldn't offend the water gods by taking what is theirs. Etc, Etc...
@enotsnavdier6867
@enotsnavdier6867 3 жыл бұрын
Start with whatever interest you most. For me it's usually things like the magic system, but it can be anything from a specific character, one culture, a map, one location, or a kingdom. There's no hard and fast "best" way to worldbuild, but IMO starting with what you find most interesting is the best place.
@abitsourrrrsorry4885
@abitsourrrrsorry4885 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, just start from anything that affects your story and main character first.
@tompatterson1548
@tompatterson1548 2 жыл бұрын
Start with the first cool idea you have and figure out what needs to be there to realise it.
@barbiquearea
@barbiquearea 4 жыл бұрын
"The peasants will spend a lot less time wondering why they work out at the fields all day to provide for the lavish lifestyle of their rulers if they think disobeying their rulers will cause earthquakes and shit. And then if the earthquakes and shit hit them, if there's a plague or famine or any other sort of disaster, then they might start to believe that their rulers are no longer favored by the gods and they might rise up to remove them" This is extremely similar to the Chinese philosophy of the Mandate of Heaven, where it's inferred that just like an emperor can appoint a governor to rule a province and dismiss them if they rule horribly, so too could the Jade Emperor appoint a person to rule over the mortal realm and remove their mandate (such as in the form of nature disasters or famine) if those rulers are corrupt, tyrannical or incompetent thus giving the people carte blanche to rise up and remove them.
@georgiaiam9793
@georgiaiam9793 4 жыл бұрын
As a person who is in the middle of writing a fantasy book, I feel relieved that religion plays a ginormous part in my book. In my book, a demigod sacrificed his divinity so that the humans could use magic, something that would help them face against the disasters that the gods created. This makes it so that many magic users become priests and priestesses because they are more able to connect and communicate to the gods.
@levi1929
@levi1929 4 жыл бұрын
I’m a DM for a group of 25-45 year olds. I’ve created some worlds in my day, but DMing for these guys brought up many, many questions about religion. I had no religious agenda, and so I thought about it to the extent that there would be temples and such in villages and towns. This brought questions I didn’t expect like “what God do they worship there? How exactly WAS this world formed?” And so on. It turned into a HUGE part of the campaign, and magic became based on religion. (i.e. you cast a spell by making a prayer to a relevant God) It was fun and interesting because it fleshed out my world and made it very real and, like the video says, it makes many aspects of writing much easier. Villain? Worships a different God. Maybe WANTS to be God. Maybe is corrupting the very essence of divinity. Character motivation? God wills it. Make an item cool? Blessed by your fave God. Done and done. 😎
@ryantobefunny9587
@ryantobefunny9587 4 жыл бұрын
When you came here for a whole ass history lesson
@MrDesmorto
@MrDesmorto 4 жыл бұрын
I believe the ecclesiarchy in warhammer 40k, it is a good example of religion in fiction as they have several dogmas and regional variations, besides commanding several institutions and army and being very influential in this fictional world, even if they are the medieval Catholic church in space.
@Danny-gg9gs
@Danny-gg9gs 4 жыл бұрын
They're way too caroonishly powerful despite how fractured their belief systems are to be that believable.
@matthiasbindl7085
@matthiasbindl7085 4 жыл бұрын
@@Danny-gg9gs i mean.... the same is true for the medieval Catholic church. Though to be fair, the catholic church was nowhere near as extreme as the Ecclesiarchy (with both being far to gargantuan and complex to be simply be put of as good or bad)
@TheKh65
@TheKh65 3 жыл бұрын
@@matthiasbindl7085 nowhere extreme? I think you need to read about what the medieval Catholic church did to the natives in South America and Central America...
@matthiasbindl7085
@matthiasbindl7085 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheKh65 that´s the age of discovery, not the middle ages. And even the age of discovery and colonialisation CC isn´t remotely as extreme as the Ecclesiarchy
@5h0rgunn45
@5h0rgunn45 4 жыл бұрын
Here I am, watching a video by Hello Future Me about class, and just as he's talking about the influence of religion, James Tullos posts a video about religion.
@JamesTullos
@JamesTullos 4 жыл бұрын
Tim wishes he was this cool sunglasses emoji
@johannageisel5390
@johannageisel5390 4 жыл бұрын
@@JamesTullos Why would Tim want to be an emoji?
@squibble311
@squibble311 3 жыл бұрын
@@JamesTullos you two need to collab
@IMRamos-ul8ms
@IMRamos-ul8ms 4 жыл бұрын
I really love your worldbuilding videos. They make me want to write something
@adrianinha19
@adrianinha19 4 жыл бұрын
An example of a made up religion (pun intended) done well, is in the Inheritance cycle: there's a bloody religion where people would mutilate themselves to offer blood sacrifices to their gods, and the gods turned out the be some weird ancient, bug like creatures who had some sort of mind controlling abilities. Everything from the type of worship, their places of worship and their cultural impact was so well made, it still gives me shivers to this day when I remember it.
@yosefbluth1588
@yosefbluth1588 4 жыл бұрын
You also have the dwarf religion, where you get some kind of confirmation that it is in some sense real, but it doesn’t actually confirm that much, and could easily be fake too. Then you have the elves who don’t believe in religion at all, and are very open about that.
@SennaHawx
@SennaHawx 4 жыл бұрын
@@yosefbluth1588 And there were actually different religions of the dwarves aswell. Especially those living in isolated places
@zegh8578
@zegh8578 4 жыл бұрын
potential listener towards end of video "okay, okay, that wasn't so controversial! I thought it would be - " james "acab!"
@thecandyvanman4762
@thecandyvanman4762 4 жыл бұрын
It really makes you think 'wow how can this smart guy say such a statement without any pretense'
@sathlasdalaraynidridlendar6875
@sathlasdalaraynidridlendar6875 3 жыл бұрын
meh, that shouldn't really be controversial. it's just a blatantly obvious lie that really appeared out of nowhere and people thought it was a good idea to back it up. idk i just think stereotypes are stupid anyway.
@enotsnavdier6867
@enotsnavdier6867 3 жыл бұрын
@@thecandyvanman4762 Why would a smart guy say an objectively true statement?
@thecandyvanman4762
@thecandyvanman4762 3 жыл бұрын
@@enotsnavdier6867 Except it isn't objectively true in any sense of the word. It's the same as regarding entire races, religions, and the like as the same, even though all groups have distinct individuals.
@imiguifurr
@imiguifurr 3 жыл бұрын
@@thecandyvanman4762 "I'm sorry to be a cop, I didn't choose to be born this way" Because a series of intentional directed actions taken as an adult is in ANY way comparable to an ethnic group you're born in (over which you have no control whatsoever) or a certain faith (over which you may not have much control either) How can you be so outspoken about being so lukewarm wrong?? Even political leanings are less of a choice...
@DragonDoomLord
@DragonDoomLord 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta admit, upsetting to see SKYRIM as an example in the visuals, considering how much retconning and lack of care for the worse in the side of religion and history of the world it has. One of the best works regarding religion and history in a fantasy setting is Morrowind. Religion, history, politics and culture, all have huuuuuge weight and focus on the game's story. Since the game's universe is one where magic and superpowerful entities exist, it would be easy to just go "ok this is the right religion", but they avoid that and go super interesting in many ways. They explore the ideas of, how history, time, linguistic and cultural shifts, and power struggles, shape modern conceptions of how all those things used to be retroactively, and in a world were such supernatural beings and concepts exist, how much of that is based or outright accurate to history is a focus. And the books in it are brilliant! Like, on religion alone, you have: Religious texts; religious analysis by religious folk; religious analysis by secular folk; by historians; by theologists comparing how all the different nations and cultures have different names and versions of the same or different stories, but with overlapping between em enough so that the author in universe of the book goes like "it's super likely they are the same being/historical figure"; and so on. And hell, prophecy is also an important part of the game's story, but it does a fantastic deconstruction about what the hell a prophecy even is, or if it means anything to begin with, and where it starts and ends, if it ever does at all. It's honestly of the best works that explores what would happen in a world with supernatural entities and events, when it comes to how it would affect people, sociopolitical groups, history, and the perception of history.
@StarlitSeafoam
@StarlitSeafoam 4 жыл бұрын
Would you mind elaborating on the retconning are you referring to? I've been attempting to track when different lore elements were added, and, based on the Pocket Guide to the Empire First Edition, a ton of the lore used in Skyrim was already in existence prior to Morrowind's release; even Dragonborn are mentioned in it, specifically Tiber Septim as a possible one. I would love to know what things changed between Morrowind and Skyrim.
@enotsnavdier6867
@enotsnavdier6867 3 жыл бұрын
@@StarlitSeafoam I don't know what he's talking about specifically either. Though it's possible that the Daedric Princes are portrayed as almost exactly as described, and Akatosh/Talos are pretty much 100% canonically as they have been portrayed. I could be wrong about this stuff though, I'm not a super nut about Elder Scrolls Lore, and it's super complex and some things/concepts like CHIM and the Warp In The West are confusing.
@jimslickens2325
@jimslickens2325 3 жыл бұрын
8:19 **Licks Arm** Ah yes, Magic
@commander31able60
@commander31able60 4 жыл бұрын
so, how does tangible evidence of the existence of (a) god affect religion?
@martingammill-beck5846
@martingammill-beck5846 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting question. The first and most definite happening would be that atheism would be reduced to flat earth conspiracy theory levels of popularity. From there its entirely dependent on what exactly the gods measurable impact would be on the world. For instance, if the god has contact with its disciples on a semi-frequent basis, then the religions dogma would be drastically changed, especially if the dogma does not represent that gods morality. Secondly is mass expansion of religions that worship that god, again depending on the real size and undeniability of that evidence as well as the general aggression of that religion's dogma. Like if we are talking crusade or witch trails level then the religion will expand the fastest, while more peaceful ones will expand by popularity. The only religions that could go without change would be extremely isolationist or secret societies and even then will likely see some change depending on dogma shifts.
@chariot9285
@chariot9285 4 жыл бұрын
@@martingammill-beck5846 So basically regular religion things just get exaggerated, I guess? Also if there's more than one god you have a lot more polytheism or henotheism, too, but it would be interesting to still have monotheists because how are you gonna disprove all the gods are just one god unless the gods say so themselves
@martingammill-beck5846
@martingammill-beck5846 4 жыл бұрын
@@chariot9285 The religions would get more exaggerated, as you put it, but they would also probably be more organized and focused on their more refined beliefs and principles, granting that the gods communicates their wanted beliefs and principles. The D&D gods from the forgotten realms setting is a good example. In the forgotten realms the gods make their moralistic principles perfectly clear, and so their religions all have a more focused sense of what they are supposed to be doing. Another effect i forgot to mention is that the religion in question would likely set about doing their gods wishes more effectively and more often, assuming the god hasn't already made the world exactly as they want it.
@henryhaile1653
@henryhaile1653 4 жыл бұрын
It's widespread, since it doesn't really take as much faith when you can see the evidence of their existence. Atheism would still be there, but not as a form of not believing in gods, but by saying that you owe yourself to no God, and that you refuse to be wrapped up in their petty power struggles.
@martingammill-beck5846
@martingammill-beck5846 4 жыл бұрын
@@henryhaile1653 I don't wish to be annoying when i say this but atheism, by definition, is a lack of belief in a god, or gods.
@michimatsch5862
@michimatsch5862 4 жыл бұрын
5:20 *I was chosen by heaven* *say my name when you pray!*
@magoschonkers711
@magoschonkers711 3 жыл бұрын
Carolus rex
@Archris17
@Archris17 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the hardest part of worldbuilding for me, is the absolute basics... How the heck do I shape continents? Where do mountains go? How the hell do you START to make a world?!
@imiguifurr
@imiguifurr 3 жыл бұрын
And my advice is try to make several different worlds before you stick to one you want to develop further... It helps you gauging what you like and don't like in a world setting you're creating
@notsam7928
@notsam7928 4 жыл бұрын
That guy whose head’s being shaved looks so happy 😀
@Kymlaar
@Kymlaar 4 жыл бұрын
A good video throughout, and you really stuck the landing with the end. Thanks for the insights!
@RiedSiheal
@RiedSiheal 4 жыл бұрын
"All it takes is one guy breaking the rules for them to all go out the window." I see what you did there.
@FandomChronicle
@FandomChronicle 4 жыл бұрын
I know this channel is more inclined to books and western media, but I must say, the Overlord books, and adapted into an anime, had great world building, story arcs, character development etc, would love to see what you think of it
@user-zk7pf1qr3m
@user-zk7pf1qr3m 4 жыл бұрын
4:10 Funnily enough, the painting is of an orthodox baptism of prince Vladimir of Kiev. Not yet formally separate from the Catholic church at the moment, but still.
@fairycat23
@fairycat23 3 жыл бұрын
The clip of the couple jumping over the broom warms my heart.
@spacedout1395
@spacedout1395 4 жыл бұрын
Hey James! Just thought I’d thank you for making these worldbuilding videos, they truly help. Oh, and your book reviews are amazing!
@deaddynamite8568
@deaddynamite8568 4 жыл бұрын
That Jathika Hela Urumaya took me by surprise. I was like damn, why am I able to read this before it clicked in my head.
@commander31able60
@commander31able60 4 жыл бұрын
excellent audio quality on this one. keep it up!
@Alchemy818.
@Alchemy818. 3 жыл бұрын
I’m writing a sci fi/dystopian novel and one of my favorite things I’m working on is religions. In this world, religion is so subjective that most people don’t even have a name for what they believe in. There’s a few more well known, but most religions have no more than a hundred or so followers. It’s not uncommon for there to be shrines people come upon that nobody knows which deity, if any, it was made for
@therenegadebard3971
@therenegadebard3971 4 жыл бұрын
Religion in fantasy is tricky. How much detail you include is determined by its level of importance to the plot. You don't want to spend page after page detailing out the hierarchy unless it has a direct impact on the story you're trying to tell. But you don't want to glaze over it, thereby giving your world a shallow feel. It's a difficult balance to strike and takes practice. When building a religion, info-dumps are a primary danger. Not only because it's bad writing, but depending on the pace you've set, can bring your story to a grinding and uncomfortable halt. Doling out the relevant information in a way that allows the pace to continue while keeping the reader "in the know" takes no small amount of skill. There are several ways to go about it, but it takes time to find the method right for you.
@g3th_
@g3th_ 4 жыл бұрын
I would like some feedback on one form of worship/faith that I've come up for a kingdom in my campaign, if whoever's reading this doesn't mind a bit more reading. Some context before. There is this particular, small, poor kingdom where the monarch, due to the country's upbringing, isn't really militarilly or economically powerful over its subjects, but rather they choose to heed his administration of their rather collaborative society. They do so out of trust, since the kings are all from the same dinasty, said to be descendents of a Prometheus-like mythical figure that was chosen by three gods to bring civilization to his peers and banish the threats from the wilderness, a lineage they show every once in a while when some offsprings exhibits unique magical powers, said to be a divine boon. It's kind of a divine right of kings, but the monarch only has as much power over the people as they will, a trust that's built up through generations of peace and prosperity achieved under the kings' advice and direction. So, this peace and prosperity brought about by civilization would be the gods' gift for these people. Thus, to properly worship them, they don't pray or make sacrifices, but rather celebrate their history, since its akin to celebrating their work and deeds. As such, priests (which hail from the common folk with a passion for tradition) are dedicated curators of the country's history, a history they keep alive through oral tradition and even archeological investigation, and they also share the gifts of civilization with those in need through charity. The most "sacred" of rituals and festivities are storytelling events and reenactments of legendary or historical events. It's a weird mashup of many elements from different cultures, and I'd like to know if it works.
@breenaj1095
@breenaj1095 4 жыл бұрын
I like this idea! The storytelling aspect sort of reminds me of Dionysian Festivals (aka Dionysia) in ancient Greece. They would put on plays as a way to honour Dionysus, a god of theater (theres a bit more to it than that but that's the basics).
@poankiyu7664
@poankiyu7664 3 жыл бұрын
It's an interesting setup. Certain elements remind me sort of of Judaism where it's not necessarily all about worshipping a God but about celebrating a culture.
@enotsnavdier6867
@enotsnavdier6867 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's a good idea. One thing I'd say is that this system would likely be pretty corrupt, and relatively easy to conquer with the way you've described it. You should try to either work around that issue or come up with a reason why it isn't like that.
@aeyempire
@aeyempire 4 жыл бұрын
1:55 ohh, I remember that fight. BTW I only watch parlement footages whenever I want to watch people each other. It is really common in Turkey. (that footage isn't parlement but still some of those people are at the parlement.)
@ThatSayYou
@ThatSayYou 4 жыл бұрын
Very opposite take of what I saw on a booktubers video early this week that said to disregard religion completely.
@novaterra973
@novaterra973 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen that video yet, but religion is hard to write and tend to attract controversies, so I can see why some would say that.
@ThatSayYou
@ThatSayYou 4 жыл бұрын
@@novaterra973 this booktuber was talking about it in terms of fantasy which I personally think you can do better than what i've seen in current fantasy. I think if the religions arent done as 1 to 1 translations and are instead done as a way to discuss themes in religion.
@alfonsolatorre2628
@alfonsolatorre2628 3 жыл бұрын
im currently writing a novel where world religions have something slightly related to the creation of the universe, but very different interpretations. I was thinking of the good and bad stuff to add in those religions, but it got pretty personal because I'm religious myself
@Stoneworks
@Stoneworks 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I already have my religion videos written so I swear I'm not copying you when I post them.
@nytesla_punk3327
@nytesla_punk3327 Жыл бұрын
Atm I'm working on a cosmic horror Sci-Fi series. Religion plays a huge role, as humanity is splintered and develop doctrines, as well as spreading ideologies (unbeknownst to them, fuelling their cosmic deity). Each is diverse, and there is a plethora of Gods depending on the location of the people. There's generally no such thing as an atheist, due to the high demand for comfort in the post-human psyche.
@waltermanson999
@waltermanson999 4 жыл бұрын
This is the best video on religious world building I have seen yet !
@mithmoonwalker
@mithmoonwalker 4 жыл бұрын
james: religion is underdeveloped me: *laughs in me stringing together every religion to embodiments of creation and having philosophical themes and ideas flow through to explain and keep things intetional unclear
@BainesMkII
@BainesMkII 4 жыл бұрын
@0:50 Fiction in general tends to have characters that are explicitly "right" or "wrong". While this also gets applied directly to larger structures ("Being X is explicitly a real deity, but is also explicitly detrimental to free will humanity"), simply being associated with explicitly "right" or "wrong" characters can paint said structures as right or wrong. If the hero is faithful to a particular religion, and that faithfulness is itself not an explicit fault, then that faithfulness becomes implicitly "right".
@BibiduleDeEtre
@BibiduleDeEtre 4 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha I wasn't expecting the video to end with an ACAB :')
@mollof7893
@mollof7893 4 жыл бұрын
There is one place in my setting where all gods are seen as evil, so none of them are worshipped. So this place have become very isolist becasue they don't wanna meet god worshipping heathens.
@mollof7893
@mollof7893 4 жыл бұрын
@@jonahchickering4908 I'm not really sure yet. There are these big monster thingies in the wilderness that people try to kill and maybe they were made bybthe Gods or sonething
@mollof7893
@mollof7893 4 жыл бұрын
@Marmalade thanks!
@fluberchuberayy2479
@fluberchuberayy2479 4 жыл бұрын
I hate how religion is most the time used as the bad guy in media
@aeyempire
@aeyempire 4 жыл бұрын
Or the perfect good guys, like religion does not make people good or bad itself. If people are religious because of ethics of the religion makes sense to them then they are probably good but most of the time they either fear from hell or just raised in a culture that made sense to be religious.
@johannageisel5390
@johannageisel5390 4 жыл бұрын
What kind of media are you consuming? I've noticed that in a lot of sci-fi movies there is the notion of a higher being. They always try to be deep by throwing god in there somewhere.
@matthiasbindl7085
@matthiasbindl7085 4 жыл бұрын
i think most of the time portraying anything as pure evil or purely good is wrong, simply because of human nature. The real world most of the time doesn´t work in black and white but instead functions as grey and greyer
@maxwelljarowey2612
@maxwelljarowey2612 4 жыл бұрын
Note at lest in the USA media that can be critical faith is new
@Alice-gr1kb
@Alice-gr1kb 4 жыл бұрын
Wings of Fire did the whole “don’t expose but show its effects” rather nice with the Clearsight religion. It showed how the dogma is false and just used to prop up the dictatorship
@nichoudha
@nichoudha 4 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking of this topic a lot... I had an idea of blending two distinct cultures together for a fantasy setting. Unfortunately, I just feel like I'll never finish any novels I write so meh.
@phonix6352
@phonix6352 4 жыл бұрын
Saaaame here bud 😂😭
@quintustheophilus9550
@quintustheophilus9550 4 жыл бұрын
Shoot towards short stories, or even microstories
@nichoudha
@nichoudha 4 жыл бұрын
@@quintustheophilus9550 wouldn't have the same impact and can't build towards major plot twists with short story formats.
@quintustheophilus9550
@quintustheophilus9550 4 жыл бұрын
@@nichoudha Ah, thats too bad :(
@snowy_owl
@snowy_owl 4 жыл бұрын
@@nichoudha Um...If your main story doesn't fit the short format, maybe you can write short stories that are set in your world (but not part of the main story/novel) in order to get inspiration?
@shanyajain5557
@shanyajain5557 4 жыл бұрын
Okay the way you popped off on modi,,, you should be scared, modi bhakts (devotees lmao) are super vicious and they might come for you. I stan
@vedantthapar3666
@vedantthapar3666 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Next thing you know he’ll be an anti-national despite not even living in India.
@user-ip6sd3cw7y
@user-ip6sd3cw7y 4 жыл бұрын
king said acab😍😍😍
@MobiusN7
@MobiusN7 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like that don't hand out encyclopedia entries on a characters religion needs to be something every writer ever hears.
@khizarch4910
@khizarch4910 4 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I watched this because my story is currently knee deep in fantasy religions. I’m exploring how the ‘All-Good’ religion isn’t perfect and sometimes easy to manipulate.
@runningcommentary2125
@runningcommentary2125 4 жыл бұрын
Excuse me while I go to blast out 'Carolus Rex' on maximum volume.
@zombielizard218
@zombielizard218 4 жыл бұрын
3:51 ALL PRAISE THE GOD EMPEROR OF MANKIND
@dunesday4839
@dunesday4839 4 жыл бұрын
Dam you got so many friends now
@AlexTenThousand
@AlexTenThousand 4 жыл бұрын
To the people who think Medieval Europe was exclusively ruled by the Church and nobility had no power, I always bring up what could be considered the two biggest arguments against that idea: Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor, who ruled over good portions of Europe and even Jerusalem despite most of the Christian world considering him the literal Anti-Christ and being excommunicated three times, and the Borgia family, who quite literally did the opposite thing, taking control of Christianity by having Rodrigo become the Pope, and fundamentally basing modern depictions of Christ on Cesare Borgia's likeness.
@elifasker7917
@elifasker7917 4 жыл бұрын
I'm from Ankara-Turkey and I laughed so hard when that video showed up. I remember seeing that on tv. It caught me by surprise... Hilarious!
@kvothekingkiller1754
@kvothekingkiller1754 4 жыл бұрын
THE FOOL ON THE HILL SEES THE SUN GOING DOWN
@A-Rather-Dubious-Character
@A-Rather-Dubious-Character 4 жыл бұрын
This kind of religion I created might have a few unseen flaws, after all, if it's your creation you'll not see an issue with it if there is one. So, to not spoil too much of what I have planned, these Orcs follow a certain religion that is vastly different from their Human rivals East of them. ---- The Orcs believe in a Council, that, according to the current Regime, fought back an army belonging to their long-age rivals, bringing prosperity and forming the borders of what their nation is now. As the generations go on, the religion grew and grew, but that doesn't stop certain members of government to use it to their advantages, issuing edicts and... For the lack of a better word, Orders that all Orcs should follow. Depending on your selected Council Member. In Wartime? Bring favor to that one CM, wish for a good harvest? You know the drill. Basically the religion has been molded to suit the Government's (be it Medieval to Modern age. Which it is.) Wishes. ----- Thanks for reading if you did, if you have anything to say about this Religion, let me know.
@poankiyu7664
@poankiyu7664 3 жыл бұрын
I mean it's a good concept I'd say but a few questions do arise. What happens if the government is overthrown? In times of natural disaster would the government be blamed since their Orders aren't working? Not really criticism just some stuff you could explore.
@A-Rather-Dubious-Character
@A-Rather-Dubious-Character 3 жыл бұрын
@@poankiyu7664 No problem, man. Those are questions that, admittedly, I never really thought over. Since in the 'headcanon' that I have, the government/people that follow this religion aren't ever really overthrown. (Talking about the more modern-ish era) So I never thought about what would happen if such an issue were to arise. Thanks for bringing that up.
@GreenAgouti
@GreenAgouti 3 жыл бұрын
The religion I am worldbuilding has 8 gods, but only one of these is the main creator, and this main god is the ocean. For prayer, the religion's believers sit on the beach at the edge of the sea and whisper into the water. The minor gods are all humanoid version of sea creatures and fish, and each one controls things in the world.
@billysinge8977
@billysinge8977 4 жыл бұрын
1:55 *New actual footage of World War One Trench Warfare in color.*
@JontyLevine
@JontyLevine 4 жыл бұрын
The video covers a lot of bases, but one thing I feel remains somewhat understated by the end of it is the ability of religions to form communities - something me and my family always found lacking since we are atheists who never had especially close relations to our neighbours. But a few centuries before now, if you were living in a town with a few small churches, taverns and a marketplace, your friendship group would probably consist of people who went to the same church as you. Your family as well. And these friends would not only partake in the same acts of worship together, but would also share most of the same morals. Being an atheist would have been a lot more difficult back then since your religion is your community and your support network. Government programs for the poor were often handled by the church. And since western culture is a lot more secular than it used to be, I've noticed a lot more different communities have taken up the role of bringing people together around a shared activity and/or morals - whether that be people supporting the same sports teams, those who watch the same TV shows, people who champion the same social causes, and the LGBT+ community. In fact I'd half wonder if the role we normally ascribe to taverns as meeting places in medieval fantasy settings would have more realistically been served by churches.
@PriyaPans
@PriyaPans 4 жыл бұрын
The Confectioner Chronicles by Claire Luana I think has a really good religious outline in her world. Strong reccomend a read of this trilogy. And @James if you review it - I think you'd mostly enjoy it, conflict and worldbuilding wise... (bar the romance part, which I find drab).
@Lilas.Duveteux
@Lilas.Duveteux 2 ай бұрын
So...In my own world, the Pyroxene Drow would have a religion that: -Forbids mummification. Like, hard no. -Believes that being in pain is a gift to the gods, leading to self-harming contests including all social orders. -Their religious also strongly values things such as altruism, protecting the environment, teaching to the next generation, protecting those who are weaker, exetera. However, consent isn't a key factor, and they believe that their bodies should serve their clans (they practice a worship of the dead that's quite private), and that they should suffer. Meanwhile, they believe that it's not the place of mere mortals to enjoy the suffering of others, and find torturing others to be deeply traumatizing for all parties involved. It's a religion of sadness rather than devine wrath. -Their most important religious teaching is: "You, the Drow, fill the caverns with life and you shall never be hungry." -The Drows, as a society, secularly, tend to believe that taking into account the opinions of others is something very vulnerable, and worriying about one's reputation is a sign of weakness. This so prevalent that to a Drow, a teacher praising their students for good behavior would be seen as something deeply violating to all parties involved. However, for their society to function in any capacity, morals based on "the gods said so", religious guilt, empathy and corporal punishment become necessary alternatives to a sense of shame as social regulators. -The priests of the four gods provide essencial services to the public, such as education, medicine, maintaining civil order and even certain textiles. This is precisely what allows the priestly orders to stay in power. The priestesses of Héwwa, for example, play the vague role of policing and education on reading, botany and protection magic. The priests of Moortus become necromancers (well, more like psychics, communicating with the dead rather than controling them), historians and they also teach law, mathematics and rhetoric. The priests and priestesses of Helisa are required to learn healing and textile work and practice it. The priests of Putruus are often in charge of funeral practices, charity and of helping ex-slaves and ex-criminals re-enter normal society. Now, the Drow see individuals who refuse to constantly torture themselves as plain evil, and would see it as their devine duty to convince them otherwise, because their religion's most important commandment, as well as their very existance as an ethnic group, depends on maintaining the cave ecosystem they inhabit...Keeping the caverns oxyginated take most of their societal energy, so they aren't really interested in persecuting outsiders. They aren't that interested in expension either, unless it's to other caverns. Self-flagellation also take a huge chunk of their religious attention, leaving little of it to persecute outsiders. Their religion isn't that obsessed with modesty either. One of the most important philosopher of their religion was originally a forest elf, who upon living with the Drows, learned the "error of her ways" (basically, enjoying life in any capacity and not torturing herself all waking hours), lived afterwards a life of pain and religious penitence, and became the founding mother of a grand dynasty, who even married into the royal family. Her example is one many Drows seek to emulate. Despite that, she remained loyal to her own people, and begged them to accept this life of pain, so that maybe, maybe, their persecution at the hand of the expending human groups would stop, as the gods would ease their punishment as they are actually doing their part in the appeasement.
@phitc4242
@phitc4242 4 жыл бұрын
How to worldbuild: Connections/Bonds (Love, Political etc) Would love to see that! :)
@elilawrence7166
@elilawrence7166 3 жыл бұрын
That dude in the cemetery getting possessed tho; definitely bout to look for that lmao ty for this gem
@JeevesAnthrozaurUS
@JeevesAnthrozaurUS 4 жыл бұрын
"I'm not qualified to speak on the depths of theology" Oh yeah? Explain your Bible review then, James
@ampeyro
@ampeyro 4 жыл бұрын
That wasn't theology, it was literature.
@ThePreciseClimber
@ThePreciseClimber 4 жыл бұрын
14:48 Nazi Buddha! (Yes, I know what that symbol really means)
@thesmm2311
@thesmm2311 4 жыл бұрын
The Nazis stole that from the Buddhists
@murkyhydra6351
@murkyhydra6351 4 жыл бұрын
@@thesmm2311 r have stupid
@valtontony826
@valtontony826 2 жыл бұрын
@@thesmm2311 no they didn't, that symbol existed in Europe thousands of years ago stupid
@xzxz85
@xzxz85 3 жыл бұрын
Best religion stuff i've seen is in The Elder Scrolls. You got multiple religions with sub-grups, each one of them with their own mithos of creation, some of them are similar to each other but with minor differences, just like IRL. Also, none of this is explained trough exposition, it's all in books or in dialogues, again, just like IRL. In sum, the game never tells you "ok that's what really happened".
@mithilakudalkar
@mithilakudalkar 4 жыл бұрын
'dont get any ideas modi' this had me screaming.
@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874
@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 4 жыл бұрын
George R.R. Martin did a great job making a setting with religious diversity, with the Faith Of The Seven coexisting with the pagan nature-worship of the North, the Ironborn's drowned god cult, and the Essosi faith of R'hlorr, among others.
@miketacos9034
@miketacos9034 4 жыл бұрын
Funny, cuz Buddhism (and Islam) in India was popular with people who were near the bottom of society, such as Dalit (Untouchables), since the non-Hindu religions did not have a caste system. For another example, Christianity encouraged a lot of stories to have redemption arcs. That's something a fantasy author could maybe subvert; maybe your fantasy religion's heroes are static characters, for example.
@fionnghallselma7193
@fionnghallselma7193 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent Analysis; as a footnote I'll give an exert of Fulcanelli's Mystery of the Cathedral's that covers the topic on Churches being a place for conducting diplomacy. "If people go to the building to take part in religious services, if they enter it following a funeral corthge or the joyful procession of a high festival, they also throng there in many other circumstances. Political meetings are held there under the aegis of the bishop; the price of grain and livestock is discussed there; the drapers fix the price of their cloth there; people hurry there to seek comfort, to ask for advice, to beg for pardon. There is scarcely a guild which does not use the cathedral for the passing-out ceremony of its new journeyman, scarcely a guild which does not meet there once a year under the protection of its patron saint."
@CarlTackett
@CarlTackett 3 жыл бұрын
damn this series, making me want to start a second world building project. I already spend too much time world building!
@sleepyowl76
@sleepyowl76 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the religious aspects of Nevernight by Jay Kristoff. Sure, there's only one religion that’s explained in-depth, but it’s more detailed and interesting than the majority of fictional religions I’ve come across.
@thesnortinghat9650
@thesnortinghat9650 4 жыл бұрын
Also would have been interesting to add how conquering empires like to try and jigsaw together aspects/pantheons of diverse religions of conquered people into one whole to encourage cohesion (like Romans and their interpretatio graeca/Romana)?
4 жыл бұрын
Informative and concise video. Great job!
@drpigglesnuudelworte5209
@drpigglesnuudelworte5209 10 ай бұрын
An interesting idea is to have your gods be real, but they’re fluid and evolve with the cultures and their needs. So a benevolent rain goddess in an agricultural culture is the same as the malevolent storm god of the island people who they need to appease. The best way this would work is through limiting physical interaction but still maintains some
@isaacroot5459
@isaacroot5459 4 жыл бұрын
Yoooo I love this. I can’t write for shit but I love your thoughts
@owleee
@owleee 4 жыл бұрын
i needed this
@vignotum132
@vignotum132 10 ай бұрын
Bruh the Hamas screenshot aged soooo well
@chowyee5049
@chowyee5049 4 жыл бұрын
A Canticle for Leibowitz, anyone?
@arnouth5260
@arnouth5260 4 жыл бұрын
4:35 you mean a popefight?
@KarmaSpaz12
@KarmaSpaz12 4 жыл бұрын
Why would you use that AOM? WHY? Any way, fascinating topic here that really gets into some important stuff for world building. The only problem with adding in religion to a setting and deeply ingraining it in a society is the worry that there's too much religious talk going on but I guess that just comes down to knowing you audience.
@twistedwell9568
@twistedwell9568 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful work!!! Just one thing... I visited your twitter and was greeted with scat porn I see you were having a spat with some dumbass but like bro I had to see that bro It's taken me years to phase 2 girls 1 cup out of my mind and you brought those repressed childhood memories right to the surface. Darn you
@engineerskalinera
@engineerskalinera 2 жыл бұрын
Riddle me this, how can someone so knowledgeable be an ACABer?
@theidioticbgilson1466
@theidioticbgilson1466 2 жыл бұрын
because police abolitionism is smart
@engineerskalinera
@engineerskalinera 2 жыл бұрын
@@theidioticbgilson1466 that's like, the dumbest possible solution
@connorthornberg
@connorthornberg 2 жыл бұрын
Because highly educated people who have a better understanding of how the world works tend to be leftists. And if you're actually interested, ACAB does not mean "every individual cop personally is morally reprehensible," it means that the system of laws and organizational structures we have in place make the police as an institution a force which does not exist to serve and protect citizens, like the claim, but one that serves and protects the interests of capital. In other words, our laws and the structure of policing serve the wealthy and powerful first and foremost, and consistently harm marginalized communities. All cops are bastards because the system that they work for requires them to be bastards. It has nothing to do with moral character. And as a last note, almost all serious leftist theorists, be they anarchist or Marxist, understand that we will need some force of people to prevent things like murder from happening. But if we are going to have a healthy system that actually works for the people, we need to abolish our systems of policing and prisons and build them from the ground up. The way they are now is unsalvagable.
@rodrigorios4146
@rodrigorios4146 4 жыл бұрын
Finaly a worldbiuldig video, I really love this videos, please make more...
@audri1273
@audri1273 4 жыл бұрын
JAMES SAYS ACAB
@nicholaswhitman4620
@nicholaswhitman4620 3 жыл бұрын
11:19 Despite 16 minutes of lecture the only thing I can focus on is that someone really thought Wilem was white.
@dr.sleaseball441
@dr.sleaseball441 4 жыл бұрын
im writing a dystopian sci-fi book and in a small section of it, there is an underground city where people get trapped for 2 or 3 hundred years and before they get trapped, it was a multiethnic city with cultures from all over the world where people could practice their beliefs with zero racism. since they got trapped though, and the food got scarce, the sun couldn't reach and the oxygen got less and less every day, they started believeing that the sun god left them and they should start sacrificing people. 2 factions where there, the sun believers and those who werent sun believers. they started fighting and what was a peaceful city with no racism became the exact opposite. if you werent a believer, you were heathen and had to be killed.
@keshavraman7739
@keshavraman7739 Жыл бұрын
I as a Krsna devotee literally use the Gita for world building my personal religion.
@eggurtcream1970
@eggurtcream1970 4 жыл бұрын
I once read a series were lesbians were based around a goddess and I thought that idea was cool wish they ran with it more
@JontyLevine
@JontyLevine 4 жыл бұрын
So much shade being thrown at Philip Pullman at 1:43
@pip5188
@pip5188 4 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on Mistborn's take on religion?
@JamesTullos
@JamesTullos 4 жыл бұрын
Minor spoilers I'm not a fan of Sazed's "believe whatever makes you happy" philosophy, but the Cosmere as a whole has a good take. There's no confirmation of what, if anything, is beyond their universe and people have arguments for and against it.
@Redbeardblondie
@Redbeardblondie 2 жыл бұрын
Cop here. Your videos are really well made, very interesting and approachable. Have a cool day.
@theidioticbgilson1466
@theidioticbgilson1466 2 жыл бұрын
>cop >libertarian pfp wot
@connorthornberg
@connorthornberg 2 жыл бұрын
@@theidioticbgilson1466 libertarians being pro-cop isn't ideologically inconsistent. Property rights need to be protected by some kind of force for their ideology to be even coherent. They care more about shrinking the size of government in terms of its social policies and impact on the economy. Ancaps are the anti-cop ones, but no one who calls themselves an ancap should ever be taken seriously anyways.
@nightmare_automata
@nightmare_automata 3 жыл бұрын
"If you don't eat meat, you'll need to get your food from somewhere else." *laughs in vegan*
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