How Voldemort ACTUALLY Found The Chamber of Secrets

How Voldemort ACTUALLY Found The Chamber of Secrets | Harry Potter Film Theory

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Today Ben dives deep into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to reveal how Voldemort actually discovered the Chamber of Secrets and what it means for the his horcruxes.
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@SuperCarlinBrothers 26 күн бұрын

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@darthseverus89 26 күн бұрын

I don't care if Jay grows face fur or not I just want to know why it took the super Carlin Brothers way this long to find out that the diary wasn't the first horcrux?!?? I have literally been sure of this for years the books even spoon feed it to us so why are the super Carlin Brothers lost in the DARK??!!?????

@Nick_Asai 25 күн бұрын

I have been following bens footstep and not socials but I want to see J as a French supervillian

@Cheese.boi... 25 күн бұрын

Why are both the creevy brothers wizards? Aren't they muggle born, or is it like Dean Thomas where he thought he was muggle born, because his dad was a milk man and I don't think we know who their mother is

@DefileOdds 25 күн бұрын

Is that a yggdrasil tattoo on your arm? Hah, nice. When did that happen?

@deborahday1007 19 күн бұрын

What if the orphanage located the Riddle family and told them Merope died and the baby was there. What do you think would have happened if "Daddy" went and brought the infant home and raised him.

@Creature2000 26 күн бұрын

Real question is why didn’t Myrtle tell anyone else in 50 years where to look

@mienfu9824 26 күн бұрын

It's possible she wasn't at Hogwarts all the time. She originally came back to haunt her classmate, but then Ministry had to stop her because she was annoying, so she returned to Hogwarts.

@tr3way70 26 күн бұрын

she’s just a sigma

@kendraroth1276 26 күн бұрын

Because they didn’t care much about her, remember? 1. She was being bullied. 2. It took HOURS for a teacher to send someone to look for her and the one chosen was her bully. 3. Dippet speaks as though he doesn’t know much about her, he at least didn’t use her name and he didn’t seem to consider asking Myrtle . (Which is why Harry didn’t realize that she was the girl who died until after speaking to Aragog.) 4. Harry notes that Myrtle reacted as though she hadn’t been so flattered when he questioned her. 5. Myrtle was often upset in general as a ghost. 6. Myrtle wanted revenge on her bullies. It’s not uncommon for bullied/neglected children to grow apathetic to those around them. She probably decided that if they weren’t interested in her, why should she be interested in them. So she kept quiet until someone aka Harry, finally decided to ask her about her own death.

@brawl8 26 күн бұрын

She says no one asked her how she died? Myrtle apparently haunted her old school bully then was ordered by the ministry to haunt the bathroom at hogwarts where she died so that she doesn’t disturb the public.

@ChibaMitsurugi19792 26 күн бұрын

Who's to say that she even realized that her death was caused by the opening of the chamber of secrets and the release of the Basilisk in the school.

@blueythelizard4857 25 күн бұрын

Bro just walked past the room of requirement thinking “yo where’s the chamber of secrets at” and it opened to a map of hogwarts with a comically large red arrow.

@FranklinFleming-lm1yu 25 күн бұрын

Tunnel

@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 25 күн бұрын

I highly doubt the room of requirement could do that as 1 only Slytherin & his direct descendants knew where the chamber was & 2 your request of the room has to be something the room can actually provide (Harry in hbp for example couldn't find out what draco was doing in the room as he didn't know specifically what draco was using the room for) the ONLY reason it sprouted the tunnel to the hogs head was because Neville specifically requested food & no magic can produce food from nothing & the ONLY reason it changed where it's exit was located while being used by the remnants of Dumbledores Army was because Neville specifically requested the room make it impossible for any supporters of the carrows to find it on the other hand draco DID know exactly how the DA was using the room so he could make a specific request that the room could actually provide (I need you to become the headquarters of the DA)

@jaroldscottwilliams.3rd832 24 күн бұрын

@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 Pretty sure Hogwarts itself knows where the chamber is. Though it's possible Hogwarts can't access it.

@LCM393 26 күн бұрын

This podcast has been gold dust for you guys. It's so funny listening to an episode then seeing a video about something that was discussed

@marshawargo7238 26 күн бұрын

Kinda like you're in on the conversation, part of the think tank❤!!!

@danielsantiagourtado3430 26 күн бұрын

He just wanted some privacy from Dumbledore's "Annoyingly close eye" on him😂😂😂😂😂

@SuperCarlinBrothers 26 күн бұрын

Well Dumbledore didn't start doing that until after he'd found it

@danielsantiagourtado3430 26 күн бұрын

@@SuperCarlinBrothersstill can't blame a man for wanting privacy😉😉😉

@alarcon99 26 күн бұрын

@@SuperCarlinBrothersI’m sure as perceptive as Dumbledore was, he had already had figured out something was going on w/ Tom as killing leaves a mark, and he killed to get the locket. Or maybe Tom was just being paranoid from his guilt and wanted privacy 😂

@rachelmanning5709 26 күн бұрын

To be fair if a old man was watching me as a teenager...I'd be weirded out to

@alarcon99 26 күн бұрын

@@rachelmanning5709 🤣🤣🤣

@JahanMisra 26 күн бұрын

Great video, it all fits so well. I always interpreted Tom asking Slughorn about Horcruxes as him already having made one horcrux and wanting to ask someone before he attempted another. I also thought that the diary was the first horcrux. but the diary being second and Myrtle dying shortly after his conversation with Slughorn makes Slughorn hiding the memory make way more sense imo.

@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 25 күн бұрын

The diary WAS 1st he killed myrtle at the end of his 5th year shortly before summer holidays then left the orphanage over the summer break & traveled to the gaunt shack expecting to meet his grandfather but instead meets his uncle who tells him where his dad & grandparents live then he stuns his uncle steals his wand kills his dad & grandparents makes the ring he took off his uncle's hand his 2nd horcrux then frames his uncle & returns to the orphanage don't forget that because his birthdays so late in the year he's almost a year older than most students in his year so he was almost 17 when he finished his 5th year

@s6r231 25 күн бұрын

The conversation with Slughorn happens in Tom’s seventh year which blows this theory out of the water. That’s the thing with their theories, sometimes they miss pretty big things about the series because like everyone they forget details.

@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 25 күн бұрын

@@s6r231 yah like Ben claiming that voldy approached slughorn to find out what would happen if a wizard made more than one horcrux before making more than one & NOT because he wanted slughorns opinion on what would happen if a wizard split their soul into 7 pieces when Harry says flat out in dh that voldy DID only want slughorns opinion on what would happen if a wizard split their soul into 7 pieces & it's well established that Tom had already made 2 at that point the diary & the ring also Tom was in his 6th year NOT 7th when that memory takes place

@s6r231 25 күн бұрын

@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 hmmm Merrythought is retiring in that scene. Tom then goes to Dippet to see if he can be appointed to it. That doesn’t work if it’s his sixth year during that scene.

@Boundwithflame23 25 күн бұрын

@@s6r231but Slughorn mentions that Tom is a prefect. (Paraphrasing: “Don’t want to get caught out of bed as a prefect”) If that conversation happened when he was in 7th year he’d be Head Boy

@thestoryfactory8429 26 күн бұрын

I assumed the basilisk told him. Dude could talk to snakes, and the basilisk knew where the door to Slytherin's chamber would be.

@SlyviaElanor 26 күн бұрын

yeah, but it couldn't have talked to anyone if the chamber wasn't open. harry doesn't know 'till his second year.

@Grunttamer 26 күн бұрын

@@SlyviaElanor Harry is kinda dense, he probably heard the snake and didn’t know

@aliahmedbanoo69420 26 күн бұрын

he was dense yes but he wasn't that dense that he didnt know what was happening around him. He did become an auror at the end without finishing school. Also he didn't even know he could speak parceltongue until his second year and that is also when he started hearing the voice in the walls. @Grunttamer

@thestoryfactory8429 26 күн бұрын

@@SlyviaElanor Big difference is that Slytherin is in the dungeon, so closer to the chamber than Harry was until it was opened.

@SlyviaElanor 26 күн бұрын

@@thestoryfactory8429 makes sense

@kristinr4928 26 күн бұрын

He just found a way to Slytherin, of course😂

@robertwilliams9708 25 күн бұрын

“Badum-Tss”🥁

@jamessmithson-br7rm 25 күн бұрын

Your logic is a little off. This is exactly the order I’ve already read it, that Tom went to the Gaunt shack/ killed his Father’s family before he opened the Chamber of Secrets. I’ve always subscribed to the theory that the ring passes on the knowledge of how to open the chamber. However, we don’t get any confirmation in the books about when Tom turned the ring into a horcrux. This could still have been after he made the diary horcrux. In fact Wizarding World just says that “after a time of wearing the ring himself, Voldemort eventually turned the ring into a horcrux, and buried it deep within the ruins of his old family home, protecting it with enchantments”. This suggests Tom stopped wearing the ring after it became a horcrux. So if he was wearing the ring when he asked Slughorn about horcruxes, it probably wasn’t yet a horcrux.

@Lt-Leinad 25 күн бұрын

Yeah I agree. He wanted to protect the horcruxes so I doubt he walked around wearing them. Otherwise he could’ve just worn the locket diadem all the time too lol

@guilhermepinheiro5342 24 күн бұрын

Exactly my thoughts.

@tarahillman5571 24 күн бұрын

Except the ring and resurrection stone are Peverell family heirlooms, not Slytherin as the locket belonged to Slytherin himself. Yes these two families (descendants of Cadmus Peverell) merged at some point post c. 1250AD as 3rd brother Ignotus (Harry's ancestor) died in 1292 once he'd attained great age. As Slytherin secretly built the Chamber, his locket is the likely artifact to contain the secret of its location.

@Molnek 21 күн бұрын

@@tarahillman5571 The main problem with that is we don't know if the locket held memories or written instructions. By the time the Gaunts could've got the stone English had changed, and the locket could've been useless. If they thought the stone merely let them talk to dead relatives well that's great because they all speak parseltongue and could talk to Slytherin himself with no problem. These items and places have been around 1000 years it's more likely things have been known, forgotten, and relearned when even the invisibility cloak that was passed in a line was forgotten to be extraordinary.

@divyanshu.26 20 күн бұрын

In the books, i doubt Tom Riddle wearing the ring while talking to slughorn is a thing? I don't remember, at least. I think it may have been a movie only addition.

@matteoairaghi790 26 күн бұрын

The chamber of secrets was opened in 1943 (presumably in June), the summer of his sixteenth year which you are referring to is the summer of 1943. He killed myrtle, and supposedly made the horcrux, before he found the ring. My theory is that when he talked to slughorn (in his sixth year so probably 1944) he had the ring but did not yet make it a horcrux since he wanted to hear from slughorn if it was possible to make more than one. Ps. It is also beautiful that the horcruxes are destroyed in the same order they were created: diary, ring, locket, cup, diadem, Harry, Nagini, then voldemorts body (which was actually created last at the end of goblet!)

@jamessmithson-br7rm 25 күн бұрын

Wizarding world basically debunks the SCB theory. It says that “after a time of wearing the ring himself, Voldemort eventually turned the ring into a horcrux, and buried it deep within the ruins of his old family home, protecting it with enchantments”. So if Tom was wearing the ring when he asked Slughorn about horcruxes, it probably wasn’t yet a horcrux.

@jamessmithson-br7rm 25 күн бұрын

So believe you are correct here. He had the ring before he opened the chamber, but it wasn’t necessarily a horcrux when he was talking to Slughorn.

@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 25 күн бұрын

@@jamessmithson-br7rmit's well known that voldy used the murder of his father to turn the ring into a horcrux so it WAS a horcrux when he was wearing it & when he decided to stop wearing it he hid it in his family's shack put the curse on it & concealed it with other enchantments but you're correct that he made the diary 1st right before the summer break then the ring 2nd a few months later over the summer then returned to Hogwarts also voldy went to slughorn to ask his opinion on splitting ones soul into 7 pieces so 6 horcruxes plus his body

@blueheadphones6823 26 күн бұрын

I came back to this channel after years and years, and I was pleasantly surprised to find that almost nothing has changed in the vibes of these theories thank you for making this corner of the internet your own :)

@liserbiser 22 күн бұрын

Another awesome SCB video! Would you ever consider doing a "Voldemort's Big Plan" video, akin to Dumbledore's Big Pan? Where we talk through what Voldemort wanted to have happen, maybe how-it-could-have-ended kind of thing? And we can see just how far into that plan he got before being thwarted? You guys rock!

@naomi_falk 26 күн бұрын

Ben that shirt is magnificent

@SuperCarlinBrothers 26 күн бұрын

When you're right you're right!

@ellieb.e.868 24 күн бұрын

I’m glad it was noticed, I was worried I was being weird. I love the shirt. Nice summer vibes, too.

@The_Jam_of_Love 26 күн бұрын

I was imagining that he heard the basilisk and persuaded it to guide him to the entrance

@stuffingtonjfluffypantsiii 26 күн бұрын

I always imagined snakes in the forbidden forest were gossiping about the Basilisk. That's how Riddle discovered he was a Parsilmouth and convinced then to lead him to this giant snake.

@owenevans3703 26 күн бұрын

@@stuffingtonjfluffypantsiiihe could talk to snakes before meeting dumbledore

@FranklinFleming-lm1yu 25 күн бұрын

@@stuffingtonjfluffypantsiiiHagrid said Follow the Spiders

@stuffingtonjfluffypantsiii 25 күн бұрын

@@FranklinFleming-lm1yu We're talking Tom Riddle, not Harry

@neozakk_ 26 күн бұрын

Nothing like getting off work, getting some good food, and sitting down to see a new CarlinBros video! Hurrah! Have a good weekend, SCB folk!

@jefferycampbell9677 26 күн бұрын

Love your theories! I look forward to everything you put out. Keep up the great work SCB!

@olivergellertjohansen1115 26 күн бұрын

Love the Channel y’all, keep doing what you doing!

@lonelyprince0 26 күн бұрын

I always assumed in Slughorn's memory Tom is in his 6th year, which means Myrtle has already died. I always thought the way the sequence in Harry's 6th year plays out, it suggests that Tom didn't create his first Horcrux until he got the information he wanted out of Slughorn

@lilomilos 26 күн бұрын

In my fanfic he knows all about horcrux creation and creates the first one right after myrtles death. What he asks Slughorn about is if its possible to make SEVERAL horcruxes since that information isnt written in the Secrets of the darkest arts book

@madalynnr9940 26 күн бұрын

I think by the time he's asking Slughorn he's already made 2, the ring and the diary. He was asking Slughorn about making 7 not making more than one leading me to think he'd already made the 2 and was thinking about more. And it was only after he'd made more than 2 that he started hiding them rather than keeping it on him to protect

@FranklinFleming-lm1yu 25 күн бұрын

I think he knows there is signs but doesn't want to go further without knowing how much he will sacrifice to make these things. By the time he goes back to Hogwarts to open chamber and get the Defense the Dark Arts post. He had already had physical changes to him. Also he knew his father's name in chamber of secrets because he already had talked to his relatives. So the book and the ring could have made .. he was trying to find the four items of the founders to use. Plus 3 more.

@IdleLancer 24 күн бұрын

@@madalynnr9940 I doubt it. In The Chamber of Secrets Tom is alot older in the memory than in The Half Blood Prince memory. Since TCOS is right when Myrtle dies, it was after the Ring Horcrux. This is movie only, mind you. Verifying it in the books will be a little more difficult.

@madalynnr9940 24 күн бұрын

@@IdleLancer Chamber of Secrets Tom was a fifth year Slughorn's memory Tom was either fifth or sixth year it's just the different actor castings that give the impression of an age gap when they are basically the same age in both memories

@onedaysoon5351 26 күн бұрын

Y'all really need to stop with the BetterHelp sponsorships 😭 Please do some research on them!

@animabella14 26 күн бұрын

Completely agree 👍

@rachelmanning5709 26 күн бұрын

Explain please?

@onedaysoon5351 26 күн бұрын

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@kratos0117 26 күн бұрын

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@retrolife4625 26 күн бұрын

Yeah it makes me not want to watch them anymore

@s6r231 25 күн бұрын

One big flaw in your story is that Tom was wearing the ring after the chamber had been opened (we know this because Tom mentions the DADA teacher retiring, the position which he then asked Prof Dippett if he could have which strongly suggests this scene was set in his seventh year). Once he made an object a horcrux he no longer kept it around much less went about wearing it while talking about horcruxes. Next the instructions are in Hufflepuff’s cup? If true that can’t be where he gets the information from since he doesn’t come into possession of it until after he leaves school when he has his first job collecting artefacts for Mr Burke.

@s6r231 18 күн бұрын

@@firelordkushroll same response though. Tom gets the locket and the cup from Hepzibah Smith after he finishes school.

@kylecollins3755 26 күн бұрын

Just when I think there is no more possible Harry Potter content… Happy Friday everyone!

@elof27 26 күн бұрын

Hello, recently started to listen to ur podcast. It so good and was surprised it was highest in Sweden where im from. Hope it continue 😊

@bubblehulk7647 26 күн бұрын

Letting Slughorn live after the horcrux conversation was a bit of an oversight now that we look back at it….

@toeray5864 26 күн бұрын

Would love if you guys could work out a theory connecting Grindelwald to World War II in some way. Always thought it was way too much of a coincidence that Grindelwald and the Axis powers were both beaten for good in 1945.

@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 25 күн бұрын

Seamus Gorman made a video on this exact topic years ago

@Nick_Asai 26 күн бұрын

I want to be honest I love this channel and it brings me so much joy to watch

@kktypescript2137 25 күн бұрын

So much cooler than my guess of the Basilisk telling Tom where it is 😂

@marsik30 25 күн бұрын

VIdeo idea: What if at the end of the third book, Sirius or Lupin literally just stunned/petrified Peter before leaving the shrieking shack, preventing him from ever escaping? Never understood why they DIDN'T do that, especially since Hermione had no problem freezing Neville at the end of the first book...

@user-vu5li1so7j 26 күн бұрын

Amazing work as always ❤ Is it possible for you to make a video about Mundungus Fletcher please? Thank you

@najrenchelf2751 25 күн бұрын

Silly me... here I thought the Basilisk started speaking to Tom through the walls and revealed all the information to him.

@adamrabe3105 20 күн бұрын

Love the parrot/macaw/toucan shirt there Ben. Getting us all ready for travel season and summer!

@Roefallow 25 күн бұрын

In one of your other videos you propose that the locket could have a little mirror of erised in it. And i always liked the idea that one side has the mirror, so you can see your desire(or Ambition in slytherin's case) and the other side has a foe glass, so you can see who stands in your way of achieving it.

@HannahEvansOfficial 26 күн бұрын

Love your videos

@danielsantiagourtado3430 26 күн бұрын

Love your videos guys ❤❤❤❤❤

@Goszinta 24 күн бұрын

You gave a idea - Tom could use the stone within the ring and "revive" his mother to ask her where is the locket :)

@DarkMewtwo1994 26 күн бұрын

I been waiting for the answer to this! Took you guys way too long to make this video 😂 well done as always though! ❤

@mmoney3523 25 күн бұрын

In the movie, when Tom asks Slughorn about horcruxes, he is playing with the ring which suggests he already made a horcrux when asking that question

@rudyvigil6928 14 күн бұрын

I didn't think I needed this video but I so needed this information. Thanks for being you!

@feuerundluft 26 күн бұрын

Before watching the video: my theorie is he dedicated a lot of time to really search and could do that because of a time turner (I think he had 11 subjects, which would have been sufficient) :) And now I am exited to hear what you have come up with!!

@sanatprasad1594 26 күн бұрын

I was having nearly this exact thought while listening to the diary chapter on Through the Griffin Door, and even thought of him visiting the Gaunt shack being later, but not considering that it could have veen earlier

@smbfelix9470 25 күн бұрын

I never thought about this one, until one of the last Through the Griffenfdoor Episodes. So this video had perfect timing :)

@KatieZebra55 25 күн бұрын

I think it could be really helpful if you did a timeline series for Harry Potter (might help for the quizzes too 😉).

@parttimesaint3165 25 күн бұрын

I don't think Voldemort had made the ring a Horcrux at the time he asked Professor Slughorn about it. That memory seem like it's opening the door to knowledge Voldemort shouldn't otherwise have access to, thus leading to the guilt Professor Slughorn feels. Maybe I'm missing a hidden nugget of information that you have.

@arietty7122 25 күн бұрын

yall should do a theory about the Marauders!! They have lots of unknowns and are super interesting :)

@richardtabor8686 20 күн бұрын

Yes, I have wondered about this. Thank you so much for answering a question I forgot I had.

@mrtesurak 26 күн бұрын

1. Tommy tom probably learned about the chamber reading about his houses founder, which he was related to 2. Tom Riddle spent 5 years looking for the chamber 3. Voldemort is that dude

@PhilBagels 26 күн бұрын

And he could hear the basilisk, just like Harry could. Maybe the basilisk was trying to lead him to the entrance so it could get out.

@mrtesurak 23 күн бұрын

@@PhilBagels I'm no expert but Harry couldn't hear the Basilisk while it was in the chamber, only when it was in the pipes and the basilisk, as Oldy Voldy said would only come when it's called, so it wouldn't be able to wander the pipes as it would be locked in Slytherins mouth.

@PhilBagels 23 күн бұрын

@@mrtesurak Fair point.

@tannerwallace7231 25 күн бұрын

This is absolutely the result of through the grifindoor. Keep up the great work!

@BrazenPhrasin 25 күн бұрын

I feel this theory HAS to be right! I think the key clue is when in CoS he tells Harry "You didn't think I would keep my filthy mudblood father's name, did you?". This indicates that the 16 year old Tom knew about the ring, it's history and the locket before he made the diary. He also already knew his father was not a wizard as he had thought and had already figured out that his mother was a witch. He also said in Chapter 17 that he had been looking for how to get into the Chamber for 5 years, so he seemingly had an affinity for Salazar even before he knew he was his heir. All of this must have been discovered earlier than the creation of the diary. It was also really likely that the ring was made a horcrux before the diary because he would have had to obtain the ring which required framing his uncle, and thus he made it a horcrux with the death of his father all in the one summer.

@ChristopherHague 26 күн бұрын

My question is what happened to the other student who were attacked when it was originally opened. I assume they didn’t die except Myrtle so were they petrified or was it just Tom jumping them in a dark hallway?

@marcinz.3570 26 күн бұрын

Sensing really cool Through the griffin door episode

@nellacelovska7501 25 күн бұрын

12:57 "can you only split the song once?" Song😂😂

@tracywoods3798 21 күн бұрын

I always assumed he heard the basilisk just like Harry did. And being as smart as he was,, voldermort eventually found the chamber.

@ThaggleS 24 күн бұрын

How would one go posing a question and submitting something to theorize? I've got a good one regarding Voldemort and the Elder Wand and how it should have worked for Voldy!

@saintzeroinfinity 24 күн бұрын

This why we need a Voldemort prequel series.

@RichardDracule 26 күн бұрын

That is a good theory, never thought about that possibility, great video guys. I always imagined that Tom asked the snakes around the castle to look for secrets in the castle and spy on other students/teachers for him, and eventually, a snake, while slithering through the plumbing system, found the chamber and told Tom about it. So Tom started talking with the basilisk and learned about the rest.

@DiamondShots10 26 күн бұрын

supercarlinbrothers im such a big fan

@elevator3 26 күн бұрын

i can’t wait to listen to the through the gryffindor episode where they come up with this

@mienfu9824 26 күн бұрын

It's always funny to see them brainstorm ideas and then realize that they actually already released a video about it

@lestark 26 күн бұрын

Better Help is a scam.

@Cho-cq6mt 26 күн бұрын

Yea

@Cho-cq6mt 26 күн бұрын

But I'm not sure if they know

@lestark 26 күн бұрын

@@Cho-cq6mt people keep telling them but they continue to ignore.

@BeardOfDan 26 күн бұрын

How so?

@lestark 25 күн бұрын

@@BeardOfDan they sell your info to sites like Facebook, and not every therapist on their site is licensed.

@darkkey19 26 күн бұрын

This makes a lot of sense and it's definitely possible. I think I'd prefer the diary be first, because then the horcruxes were destroyed in the same order they were created. But this is interesting too.

@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 25 күн бұрын

The diary WAS 1st but they WEREN'T destroyed in order of creation the cup was made before the locket

@darkkey19 25 күн бұрын

@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 Do we know that for certain? Voldemort got both the locket and cup at the same time.I mean, there's no real hard timeline for the locket, cup, and diadem as far as I know.

@mspionage1743 12 сағат бұрын

Hmm the Grey Lady states that a "young third year found what I once hid". So while I still think the Ring is the first, it also seems like the Diadem took place right around the exact same time period. Given his age within the book, it would seem that one came several years later.

@VictorHernandez-cz1be 25 күн бұрын

TOUCANS!! Loved your shirt, Ben!!

@kspar7 26 күн бұрын

Been missing friday trivia nights!!❤

@matihughes1345 26 күн бұрын

*bad impression of Darth Vader's voice* Noooooooooo!! I love J vs Ben trivia but the trivia nights when they quiz the viewers is the worst I feel like that deserves to be on a different channel or something

@kspar7 21 күн бұрын

@@matihughes1345 i disagree it’s so nice to have it live be around other potter fans, feels like you’re really apart of something. “It’s like being with a friend”

@thedarkone1420 11 күн бұрын

It is possible that the diary is still the first. You could make the argument That the Gaunt told Tom how to open the chamber of secrets before having his memory erased, in which case neither the ring or the diary are horcruxs when he asks slughorn about them and then he can start actually making them with Myrtle being the first one to kick it off. Because we know that the chamber was open in his fifth year, but he never said that the diary was created in his fifth year. He just said he had to preserve his 16-year-old self within its pages. Tom was told by Gaunt, he erased the memory of it, went there to start, discovered horcrux's, inquired about it, realizing with horcruxs he could reopen the chamber again at a later date, created the dairy and decided if he's already gonna start down that path. Why not turn his family ring into his second one?

@Kmmlc Күн бұрын

One correction here. Parseltongue is rare but not limited to Slytherin's line. His line had it genetically but it was known that others could be Parseltongues. Much like how rare Metamorpmagus's were but it tended to run in a family.

@user-cq8ge7ql8r 25 күн бұрын

I just hope that JK is pouring herself a cup of tea, wraps a blanket around herself, sits down, watches this video and goes: "okay they got this one down too" and slams the laptop down

@s6r231 25 күн бұрын

Except they didn’t. The theory has massive flaws and is fundamentally incorrect.

@vitadallamorte 25 күн бұрын

Hi Ben, love the shirt. Where did you get it?

@MitchMitchellStories 26 күн бұрын

Great job! I'd have never come up with the age thing; totally forgot he was born during the Christmas holiday season.

@sanatprasad1594 26 күн бұрын

I'd believed the ring to be the first for a very long time until checking on wikia (not the most reliable source for the past few years), and that and every other place mentioned the diary as his first. But it never made sense to me since the memory of asking Slughorn specifically highlights the him wearing the ring, and that Voldemort was very attached to the significance of his horcruxes, and and a family heirloom going back to the Peverells and the murder of his abandoning muggle father seems way more significant as the first horcrux than a muggle diary from indirectly killing a random muggle born. Also since the diary was suppised to be a weapon that was potentially put in harm's way, it didn't make much sense as his first horcrux that were important to keep safe

@williamlale6065 9 күн бұрын

Hey guys, just a clarification as Tom Riddle had left school and was working at Borging and Berks by the time he met Hepsibar Smith and took the locket and the cup, but that was after he opened the Chamber

@Albus_Dumbledore197 20 күн бұрын

The year Voldemort kills the Riddles: 1943 1. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Chapter 1 (The Riddle House) The opening chapter, which takes place on 16 August 1994, states that the murders took place 'fifty years before, at daybreak on a fine summer's morning'. This means the event have to be between 16 August 1944 and 16 August 1943. 2. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chapter 17 (A Sluggish Memory) it says the deaths happened - 'in the summer of his [Tom's] sixteenth year...' Tom was born 31 Dec 1926 so his sixteenth year would be 1942, or the summer of him being sixteen would be 1943. 3. Later in the film, the gravestones clearly said “August 1943”.

@sergent40 26 күн бұрын

One has to wonder, why did Dumbledore never ask Myrtle how she died. He would have known her as a student, he knew where she died so when she came and haunted the restroom why didn't he ask her? I mean, ok a ghost is now haunting the restroom that that poor girl died in... He and all of the teachers should have known that a ghost was making one of the girls restrooms undesirable to use, she's asked by someone why she was haunting the restroom, she says i died here.... Why did Dumbledore not knock the door down to ask her how she died. She tells Dumbledore the same story she tells Harry, Chamber of Secrets discovered and permanently sealed by Dumbledore. The only reason for that scenario to not play out is... Plot for the next book.

@WaggaDaBagga 22 күн бұрын

Regarding the mystery chamber of secrets, firstly it was hidden in the basement under the toilet room. And secondly, it was made by Slytherin Founder Salzhar. And only those who spoke wormtongue could open it. Moaing-Myrtle died because she had direct contact with the eyes of The Basilisk. Voldemort was a Gaunt, so he could speak the Pasel tongue fluently. That's why he found it. And put someone in a trance and opened it for him. 50 years ago, the name Voldemort did not exist, there was no student with that name. But Tom Jr. Riddle (Marvolo) was a student at the time. Who later changed his name to Voldemort.

@tarahillman5571 24 күн бұрын

Currently on Forbidden Forest chap of PoS on your podcast. ❤️ All your content and theories. A few chapters ago you mentioned broomsticks having cores and discussing wand woods. I think you may have overlooked one important detail. Wands are made from trees of "wand quality wood" usually occupied by Bowtruckles. Seems likely that racing brooms along with other magical objects such as vanishing cabinets are made from these same trees possesing magical properties. Much like Gellert Grindelwald says that magic occurs in rare souls, certian trees of same speicies in a forest have innate magic. Perhaps the great oak doors in the Hogwarts entrance hall or Durmstrang pirate ship were built using the same quality wood to make magic wands? Be cool to see a video of potential everyday items from furniture or rolltop desks to other household things that are harvested from these specific trees and how it makes them inherently magical without need of specific charms added.

@custard131 21 күн бұрын

while i never managed to put the exact sequence of events together, it always felt wrong to me that the diary would be the first. particularly if you follow the assumption that the diary was made a horcrux from Murtles murder and the ring was from his fathers. - revenge for abandoning him mother to die and leaving him to grow up in an orphanage with the goal of making himself immortal - killing a random muggleborn with the goal of killing more muggleborns in future while ofc there are no good reasons for murdering someone, revenge always felt like a better reason for the first. then maybe he liked how it felt + he got away with it etc etc so did more

@mangahell8177 26 күн бұрын

I can't remember if you have done this allready or not but a what if chamber of secrets wasn't open in Harry's second year video could be intresting

@riluna3695 26 күн бұрын

Hehe, set it up as "What if the Weasleys didn't drive back home to pick up Ginny's diary?" :P That way it's still in her possession, but she'd start spending her time with it over the summer, rather than during the school year. That, or she'd go back home during the first possible break and grab it, kicking things off just a little bit later than normal. But as what-ifs go, "over the summer" is a far more interesting change-up. Especially if Harry spends any time at the Burrows that year.

@SlyLashes 25 күн бұрын

No, I'm sorry. This is stretching the facts to breaking point. Ilove the head canon that the locket gives the entrance location as well. But instead of trying to force this timeline onto the locket idea, consider instead: just as countless Slytherin descendents (not all of whom would have had the locket) had done for years, Tom Riddle heard the Basilisk moving through the pipes, talking about ripping and killing. He is one of the smartest students at Hogwarts, so I guess he figures out the pipes and Basilisk information even faster than Hermione. Once you know pipes are involved, it's a matter of going from one plumbing fixture to another to look for a way into the pipes. Just as Harry did, I'm sure Tom realized the thing that he had in common with Slytherin was likely the key to both opening the Chamber and controlling the Basilisk. It isn't very likely that JK Rowing and many editors awkwardly gave Tom's age in a way that would confuse readers. What is more likely is that Tom was 16. He entered his sixth year at Hogwarts after that. Recall that the diary had a date on it, so he had it 50 years before Harry found it. We know the diary is purchased and the Chamber opened the same year, in Tom's fifth year. We know Tom has his uncle's ring when he speaks to Slughorn. That happens his sixth year. It is another parallel between Harry and Tom, since Harry is learning all of this at the same age. In fact, we have more reason to believe the horcrux conversation happens closer to when Tom leaves Hogwarts because there is a rumor (or Tom used legilimancy to find out) the DADA professor Merrythought is retiring soon, and this is the job Tom asks Headmaster Dippet for a year later.

@NishatSom 23 күн бұрын

Wait, didn't Tom Riddle get the locket and Hufflepuff's cup when he met Hepzibah Smith when he was working at Borgin and Burke's after he graduated from Hogwarts? I think it was covered by Dumbledore in the sixth book when he was showing Harry the memories.

@diamondz104 26 күн бұрын

Day 7 of asking can you do a video where the Potters survived? The scenario I'll make up is when Voldemort breaks in, Instead of killing James, he tortures and used the paralyzing spell on him and makes him pass out and plans to finish him off later when Harry is dead because as Dumbledore said, he likes waiting for his enemies to beg for death before killing them. Upstairs with Lily, the same thing basically happens except Lily misses the curse and falls on the ground. Harry still gets the love protection and Voldemort still loses his body because Lily was prepared to sacrifice herself for Harry. We saw this in Deathly Hallows when Harry's protection from sacrificing himself stopped Voldemort from torturing Neville when he stood up, Even though Harry didn't die.

@albanpohle3143 25 күн бұрын

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that there is kind of a drone sound in the background of this video. I've noticed it for a while in some of your other videos as well. I don't know how to fix it, maybe check the mic settings or position or erase it in post... Thanks for all the great content!

@ElMariachi1203 15 күн бұрын

The snakes told him, didn't watch the video. The basilisk was probably calling out for a long time before hand and Tom just followed the whispers

@betterinthe80s77 24 күн бұрын

I always wondered why he would hide the diadem horcrux in the room of requirement, which apparently a lot of witches and wizards know about and use, when he could have hidden it in the chamber of secrets which only he and Slytherin and maybe one other person had ever been to. Seems a much better hiding place.

@mumbaicharteredaccountant 25 күн бұрын

Video idea: how was the jinx placed on the defense against the dark arts position. Like was it a taboo placed on the name or something else

@whaddup691 24 күн бұрын

I thought everyone knew the order after the HBP, bc the attacks are happening when he’s talking to slughorn, and he has the ring

@JasonThomasLionHeart 21 күн бұрын

No, I never wondered because just like Harry heard the basilisk as a parselmouth, so too would have Tom Riddle. Tom would have sought out the entrance and flaunted his ability to gain access to the chamber and discover the beast within who spoke his secret tongue. Tom loved being special and would have sought out the answers on his own, plain and simple I also always thought that the locket came first and set him upon the path he took, leading to him opening the chamber and confronting Slughorn about his knowledge on horcruxes

@arnoldabenesjr2321 19 күн бұрын

I like to think Tom Riddle aka future Lord Voldemort heard the Basilisk talking to him asking to open the Chamber Of Secrets also telling him where it was and since Tom Riddle is the last heir of Slytherin so he can speak Parseltongue

@matthewpatrick7263 26 күн бұрын

I haven't watched it yet, but my theory is that he won Felix Felicis and used that to find it.

@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 25 күн бұрын

Slughorn uses that as a prize for his 6th year students & Tom was a 5th year when he opened the chamber altho it's been theorized that Tom DID use the Felix felicis to sweet talk the grey lady into telling him about the diadem

@surferdude4487 25 күн бұрын

The ring held the resurrection stone. If Tom knew how to use it, he could have asked Salizar Slitheron himself how to find and open the chamber of Secrets.

@rjgaynor8 22 күн бұрын

Y’all are usually entertaining. I found this very entertaining, but I knew this. I always took it that Voldemort had to have learned about the chamber from the Gaunts. I also miss remembered the line from Dumbledor as the diary was the first one they found not the first horcrux.

@michellelrobison 19 күн бұрын

I always start out so skeptical but by the end of the video I'm 100% convinced that you guys are right 😂 As an author myself, however, I always wonder if the authors ever see your videos and think, "Thanks for fixing my pothole!" Lol

@kitjune9333 23 күн бұрын

Granted Morphin may have told Riddle how to open the chamber and he may even have killed his father/muggle relatives before Myrtle, but there's no proof that he used the death of his father to turn the ring into a horcrux. The books tell us he wore it for a time before turning it into a horcrux then hiding it in the Gaunt's shack. Honestly don't think Riddle would want any part of his muggle family associated with an artefact of Salazar's. More likely the diary became the horcrux he created after he killed his father and he then used it to record the attacks at the school until Myrtle died and then preserved his "sixteen-year-old self" in it since it already contained a piece of his soul. Two birds with one stone. Maybe that conversation with Slughorn was him planning to turn the ring into a horcrux and needing to know what would happen if he made more than one. Going to work for Borgin and Burkes gave him a way to surreptitiously search for other artefacts because what better cover than a place that specialized in acquiring wizarding artefacts?

@atrumluminarium 25 күн бұрын

I'm still in the intro, but I'm gonna take a guess that it has something to do with either Slytherin's locket or the basilisk whispering and luring the heirs in considering more than one Gaunt knew about it and opened it

@samkrerowicz4269 25 күн бұрын

One thing I've never understood is why Harry needed to open the locket to destroy it? Why couldn't Ron stab it without Harry opening it? Is it goblin made or something so that the sword can't pierce it? Would fiendfyre be able to destroy it without it being open?

@Harry-Hartmann 17 күн бұрын

A Very Good Video 👌🏻👍🏻

@JustACactus616 25 күн бұрын

Is there some sort of magical boundary or something to keep them from just digging to look for it? Like they know the legend of a deadly basilisk and they don’t choose to locate it manually and just let the students protect themself?

@LifeInspection448 25 күн бұрын

I remember i said in one of those Harry Potter Reddit groups and got blasted for it. I laid down the order of the horcuxes and weaved a narrative into how Tom would have gone about executing his plan.

@Nanalagoon 3 күн бұрын

Cool shirt!

@mookest1 25 күн бұрын

What if Tom Riddle, not having the locket or if morphin not knowing the chamber of secrets entrance, found out from figuring out the resurrection stone in the ring. He could ask Salazar Slitherin himself how to get there or any other Guant relatives that may know.

@sandralofgren8266 23 күн бұрын

I always knew the ring was the first one he made, which must be the credit to the translator then. First time ever something is more clear when translated 😂 I read the books for the first time in my native language Swedish and in English as an adult. Never noticed it there, but when you mention "his 16th year", that sure till a wierd phrashing. Interesting how a sentence/translation can make such a difference.