Make back throw a kill throw. My man is a heavyweight that doesn't kill until 160% from a raw Gordo.

Letting Gordos untouchable would be hella gross, but increasing the percent needed to hit them back would be much more reasonable.

Dedede doesn’t need to be fixed since he’s already broken because he can taunt in Quick play

Dedede has one of the best songs in the game. "King Dedede Theme WiiU/3DS Version"

As a competitive king dedede main I think think the points you covered were really nice and explanatory. I wish he gets these buffs in the patch tomorrow

All he needs is the crouch and he's BROKEN

The main thing I hoped for him to get when Ultimate came out is a Masked Dedede alt.

Ok so problems not addressed at all: 1). His shield pressure is non-existant. Not only does his moves do no shield damage, he doesn’t have speed to make up for it. Either shave off endlag from Ftilt bair and fair or make them do shield damage. 2)Fsmash is actually a fucking mess. The sour spots outprioritize the sweetspot making that sweetspot hard to land allready on top of its massive start up, and the 0% hitbox that drags people down either puts them in the sourspot or just doesn’t function at all. You can “trade” with the 0% hitbox to essentially cancel ddd’s fsmash to basically cancel your endlag while ddd gets hit with anything, and that’s not accounting for the fact that sometimes the 0% hitbox just decides to not make them even get hit by the sourspot and just not work period. And keep in mind none of these issues existed in smash 4, and it even had more shield damage in smash 4. FIX THIS MOVE. 3). Reduce endlag on gordo. Ok so it’s kinda fair to make it kind of slow but making a move that is relfectable by the entire cast, and frame 27, be a FULL SECOND COMMITMENT is really really stupid. The moves FAF is fucking 60. Characters have time to literally walk up and hit the thing back at him before the move is even over. 4) Give him a better out of shield option. Right now his oos is grab an upsmash that is frame 20 and a nair that’s the size of a peanut and only covers above him. Either reducing the startup of upsmash to make it frame say 15 or just buffing the speed of bair/fair overall would give him a better escape option and not get him stuck in shield.

How to fix dedede: give him his voice from the Kirby anime

While most of those ideas are good ones (especially removing the gordo's ability to be hit back), I'm surprised no one mentioned the obvious; Dedede's range. If he's hauling around a big hammer, it's only fair that he has the disjointed range that one can reasonably expect to come from that. Honestly, his abysmal speed would be much less of an issue if he had longer disjoints (especially with his gordos), and having a consistent disjointed range would make him unique among heavies. Yes, it might make him somewhat less of a pure heavy... but I'm increasingly convinced that that's a somewhat necessary trade to make the heavies viable (consider Bowser and Charizard's ground speed).

Idk about completely non reflectable gordos. With the masive area it covers plus the amazing ledge traps it provides could make the move kinda busted. I think it should be able to tank more damage, like 10% so smol weak attacks can't just attack it for free. Besides that I do like all of these recommendations hopefully he gets buffed next patch. Edit: He didn't get buffed but Ness and Sonic did. Just wow

My dream buffs are up b breaks full shields, dash attack having armor, gordo cant be hit back and less endlag on down b

I’m going to wait until they do how to fix Incineroar and have a good laugh on how wrong they will be

DDD is not precisely a villain, at least not since Crystal Shards; he is just an abusive King. But DDD has some serious problems; first of all he has the absolute WORST frame data in the game. Second, he is really slow in movement. Third, he is strong in only a few punishable moves. Fourth, the unreliable gordo. Fifth, awful defensive game. Anyway. What about fixing Sonic? He, while clearly a high tier, is also the most toxic design in a Ultimate due to having excesive defense while not having good offense AT ALL, being forced to rely on running from his opponent.

Getting tired of hearing "make heavies faster" the entire point is for them to be slow and powerful. You give them enough speed to match a mid or high speed character and you remove the reason to play lighter characters at all.

If you’re buffing solely gordo to make it the cornerstone of his moveset, then yes it would be balanced to make them intangible. However I think if buffed in tandem with other aspects of the character, simply changing it from a 2% threshold to a 5-7% threshold would make it more livable against matchups like Megaman that throw out small damaging multi hits that really just deny all of Dedede’s momentum. Also reducing the sour spots/weak hits on moves that do (d-tilt, u-tilt, f-smash) would really make him better. This philosophy was used from smash 4 to ultimate with his up smash and it went from probably his least used move to a solidly strong option in some situations. Lastly, as an unorthodox suggestion, perhaps since Dedede has the highest mix of weight and gravity, he should have a small hitbox on his underside that is active when he fast falls. It could be like the weak hit of nair (I guess there would be no weak nair anymore). This would augment his combo game by giving him an aerial combo starter that has little to no landing lag. Of course, you could just reduce the landing lag on his f-air which would be nice as it could combo into a dash grab, f-tilt, or d-tilt at low percent.

DE DE DE MAINS RISE UP

I would honestly give DDD super armor on his dash attack. It's already a very slow move, so super armor wouldn't be too bad. I would also make it so it breaks shields more easily (more like DK's side special) but I think that would probably be kinda broken.

Anybody notice how all Kirby characters were broken in there smash debut

i just realised that this video is brand new and it was in my recommendation that explains the 360p quality lol

Yay, my comment was acknowledged!! My goal has been complete!

His gordos gets reflected by Marios puny fireball...

“Giant up airs like palutena”. Dedede up air = Palu up air

I have some suggestions: 1. Side b becomes an instantaneous deflecting move if an existing gordo is anywhere nearby. You WANT them to hit it back. 2. Jet Hammer explodes when fully charged, and becomes a kamikaze move, similar to the one Hero has, but survivable for Dedede at low percents. This will cause the opponents to flee from him if the move is nearly charged, allowing him to bully some characters off the stage, without actually hitting them. Then he can release the move early without paying the penalty. Exploding as a movement option also possible at low percents. 3. Make him pull back a bit during the starting lag of his forward and backward aerials, the way that many characters do during grounded smash attacks. He's still a slow floating duck thing, but now he's a scary slow floating duck thing.

Gordos that only get hit back by moves doing 10-12# (mostly melee attacks), shorter fair/dair lag, making down-b start up way lower to be used mid combo, and throws with a low angle to set up tech chases

You should do Wii fit trainer next. I think they're quite interesting but they feel like they are lacking in something

The future is meaningless, the pasta is now

Dedede is dangerous because we aren’t sure if he’s wearing shoes or not

1:18-1:23 that spike as he says dedede is unviable

Here's how I would fix King Dedede: 1-Give him better air speed 2-Give him better ground speed 3-Have Gordo kill earlier 4-Make it so that Gordo can't be knocked back unless the opponent has a reflect (i.e. Mario's side b, Zelda's neutral B, etc.) 5-Make it so that Dedede's inhale can heal him like Kirby's inhale or Wario's bite 6-Give him a few mid percent combos 7-Give him 1 or 2 good kill confirms 8-Give Dedede more range and disjointed attacks 9-Have Dedede kill earlier 10-Make Dedede's moves come out a lot faster (especially his smash attacks, dash attack, and his down/neutral special) Edit: 11-Give Dedede a kill throw (primarily back throw should be the kill throw)

2 Moves comming frame 10, and Gordo only getting reflect from moves that deal 6% or higher would be enough to make him really interesting. And it would force people to learn what moves they can use to reflect gordo, which is (in my opinion) a great thing.

Please Nintendo add one of them for tomorrow patch notes.

These are all cool ideas, I had a few of these ones too. 1. Make F-Smash faster and less end lag 2. Fix F-Smash aerial bug because there is a spike box that is supposed to combo into the strong hit but it only goes into the weak hit. 3. Faster movement speed. 4. Faster air speed. 5. Make Gordo have more % needed to knock it back. Like 10% or 15%.

Making Gordo require more damage to be sent back isn’t a bad idea, but overbuffing would just make it too over centralized, even more than it is now. They should concentrate on making his other moves better first.

make back throw kill and a bit faster in the air, you're golden 👌🏼😎

A buff I would make is to make him even more focused on shield breaks, he is already good at shield breaking but it would be cool to see his up b and forward smash instant break shields

(Posting this for the 3rd time) *Fixing/Buffing Inicineroar. This Fire/Dark Type Pokémon carries a respectable, bruiser energy among the roster, but he's too focused on grabs and Revenge (Down-B) to pick up the pace and catch up with the rest of the roster. Here are my suggestions: -Obligatory mobility buffs, he's literally the slowest mover in the game. Even if he moved at the pace as another slow character like the Belmonts, he'd get much more work done and would challenge camping strategies, one of his biggest weaknesses. -Improving his auto cancel window and/or lowering the landing lag on his Nair, Fair, and Bair so he'd have better poke options as he mostly relies on Alolan Whip (Side-B) punishes in the neutral, the latter of which while good become predictable. -Strengthing the knockback on his quicker attacks: Jab, Dash Attack, Nair, Fair, Bair, Up-Air, Darkest Lariat (Neutral-B), and Cross Chop (Up-B). While he has very powerful throws and Revenge (Down-B) to take early stocks, most opponents play evasive towards the Cat and are very difficult to land on them. So better KO options on faster moves would put him in line with other heavy sluggers like Bowser, Ganon, Ike, and Charizard. -Rework Revenge so he doesn't lose it from being thrown, in exchange for the buff to only improve his damage output, not KO power. -For the out-there buffs, give Darkest Lariat (Neutral-B) the ability to rise via mashing like Doc's Tornado so it can improve the moves recovery and punish game. Also when he gets Revenge (Down-B), Alolan Whip (Side-B) and Cross Chop (Up-B) go further as a perk to his recovery.

Just give him his down throw to double back air back.

Alr, as a D main, here is what I think should be done to him. Give down Smash armor, the reason he has armor on Jethammer and Super Dedede jump is bc his momentum would keep him going if hit, and on down smash he *s p i n* Increase the % of damage that needs to be dealt to Gordo to knock back, making it unable to would not fit. The reason it's knocked back easily is bc it's so light, that's how it bounces. Although I think the ideas of buffing his air speed and such are good, idk if the ever be implemented bc Sakurai could pull another "I want to be faithful to those who like how he is now"

My suggestions to fix King Dedede as someone who mained him since Smash 4: - Increase the percent of damage needed to reflect Gordo or just change Gordo to be completely unreflectable by normal attacks - Make regular and inhaled Gordo kill opponents earlier - Slightly increase his airspeed and ground speed - Give him a kill throw - Decrease the end-lag on Inhale, so it’s not as easy to punish - Make his frame data slightly faster - Buff his tilts and aerial attacks to have more kill power, be less punishable, and have better disjoints. - Make f-smash faster/safer or decrease the sourspot of the move

I''d actually like to see the return of Dedede's Waddle Dees and Doos. Don't remove Gordo's, but make them a b-tilt, like the heat-seaking missiles Samus gets. The Waddles could not be reflected, and will attack at random as they did in Brawl, but could also cause opponents to flinch if touched as they wonder around the stage. This would give Dedede a little more stage control, and bring back unique dynamic of Dedede being a villian who can actually summon minions.

I play a mod with my friend called HDR with a few added mods like jump out of shine l canceling and most importantly wave dashing. Deedeedee in hdr has faster air speed and his brawl back air with the mix of wave dashing makes him a huge threat i play him and usual threats have triubke hitting him except swordies but with hdr deedeedee you gotta be very precise but i feel these are great ways to make him viable i feel out of any character he would benefit with wave dashing the most

Competive history of captain falcon plz

As a king dedede main I thank you so much I agree with everything in this video and you can’t imagine how hard it is to get a win with this character even though he’s my best character

"Down b is useless" Yet it has frame one super armor, hit's below ledge, and instant turn around, it's perfect for ledge play

Technically dedede and meta knight haven't been villains since superstar but I get what you're saying. Also I don't really think any characters are unviable now, this is probably the best balanced smash game tbh. Tier lists do matter but not nearly as much as brawl, melee, or even smash 4

He just needs anything that’s come out quickly

Hey! Give King Dedede a nice buff! One that helps him against fast characters. For example, you can buff down A to be faster, or neutral A, since, everyone is faster than him when he gets out of shield. I tried to even do jab attack out of shield, and it was so slow that King K Rool fall with neutral air in front of me, eat some bananas, sharp his claws and do jab attacks. I was stunned of how bad King Dedede is on this situation.

Need a mod that makes the game say "De-De-DESTRUCTION" when dedede gets a spike

Well there's some interesting suggestions, gordo probably shouldn't be immune to reflecting because that move is already pretty dang spammy but I would definitely make it immune to being reflected by other projectiles because it's just ridiculous how much they invalidate one of his most important moves with zero effort. I would also like to give dash attack some heavy armor because it doesn't make sense that he throws his whole body into it and it can be stopped with a jab, it would definitely make for a good mixup you can use against people who like to wait and get up attack, and it's easy enough to avoid that it wouldn't be broken. They also should undo the shield damage nerfs to his f smash and gordo because it wasn't even broken back then and if people can attack gordos to reflect them, then they don't need to be shielding them, and f smash is the slowest in the game, it wouldn't be broken for a fully charged f smash to 1 hit break a shield.

I really want you guys to do King K. Rool, I made a massive list from the last videos and I recommend it to be seen as I think they will help him a lot, probably not enough to be a S/High/Top, but to probably be a viable decent-Mid

My ideas BEFORE watching The video : Less Startup lag and landing lag on Fair Increase the knockback and decrease lag on up throw to make some reliable combos into up air Increase airspeed and accleration Less lag on dash attack for ledgetraps less landing lag on b air Less lag when landing with Up B On stage Make gordo be less reflectable like not by every move And Make forward/back throw kill reliably

That dash attack

Dedede is already perfect, so I'd leave his moveset unchanged. That is, aside from a few mechanical adjustments for balance and maybe his Right Back At Ya! voice.

My dream buff would be 100% stick but my realistic ones would be better fmash data and a slightly faster airspeed

Why is this video at 360p

Next video: How We Fixed WARLOCK PUNCH in Smash Ultimate

Thanks for fixing me :)

King Dedede is more than perfect. He's overly sexy! Thank you Smash Kingdom!

Of course BONK! is the one commentating a video on a Kirby villain. Can't wait to see fixing Meta Knight, and if he doesn't say a pun about him being "meta" once I will cry.

Dedede buffs needed to be viable is more range or speed. Preferably range. F-tilt needs to go much farther than where his D-tilt puts him. F-air and B-air needs more range. F-air needs better auto-cancel landing. Gordo needs to kill sooner and increase in damage before being knocked back to 7%. F-smash needs to work better. It's the strongest F-smash and yet it's one of the worst because it's hitboxes and windboxes suck. Also an increase in the shockwave afterwards would be nice. Overall, his attacks require too much commitment not much of them are safe. Buffs to that aspect alone will move up a couple spots on the tier list

No need to fix what already works. So I would start with jet hammer (down b). It's currently almost never used since it does the same thing his other moves do, but worse. I would keep the armor on start up, but speed up the move. Make it so the longer you hold it, the further you travel, giving him a much needed burst movement option, that has some armor as a nice bonus. Also, it would be cool if when you landed with it, Dedede would slide a little further and could slide off of platforms for some cool movement tech. Next, he needs an out of shield option. I would completely rework upsmash to make it faster/weaker and hit on both sides more reliably. Something like frame 9 should do fine for a somewhat ok upsmash oos. Changing airspeed has many unforeseen consequences. I would increase it, but only slightly. Same thing with runspeed. Finally, a kill throw would help. Forward throw seems the most fitting animation wise. Increasing knockback growth on this move by 10-15% would make Dedede a lot more threatening.

Gordo's being unreflectable sounds broken, but then I remember Joker arsene, or Seph one wing, or Terry Go, or Sora spam and suddenly I stop worrying XD alas DDD got NONE of the buffs proposed in the vdeo. Big sad ;-;

Kirby's music at the beginning is too catchy, I can't follow what you are saying!

dedede is in the same boat as zelda, competitively garbage but the casual master

One more day

I don’t even need to use reflector to reflect side B

That frame data

6:48 How does one do this??

He could get Yoshi air speed while charging down special

Didn't know he needed fixing.

DDD IS PERFECTION

How to fixed Banjo-Kazooie

the new update on the sea stars he throws is next level broken. 95% hit quote makes it like 0 fun to play against him

I feel like The Chad Bonk! should do fixing/the competitive viability of Meta Knight also Steve gang

Cool

Just make him masked ddd instead And bring his fire masked ddd track

Robin needs his curency limmit compleatlly removed he is perfectlly beatible without the limmit

Just replace him with Buff Dedede from Star Allies

How we fixed palutena without ultimante do a smash 4 one

They should shrink him a bit. He's not that huge in canon.

If you tell the Dedede discord that Down Special is garbage, pretty sure you get banned

Best one

I literally rolled Into an enemy with dtilt and It didn't work they broke him

Meta Knight's considered an antagonist?

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Dash attack

Just my personal opinion King Dedede isn't very evil compare to Bowser Ganondorf Ridley or K.Rool he's more of a good big asshole.

3 things...1 his Ftilt is shit, it cannot destroy proyectiles, 2 his Bair from brawl, so he can gimp some characters, and 3 one of the most important edgeguard tools to escort other characters to the blast zone, the Fair he used to have in brawl/project M, coming bottom up is so much better than coming from up to bottom , if he get these 3 buffs hed be a decent mid high tier

"...unviable in competitive Ultimate."

Being unable to knock back gordo isn't fair. Horrible idea

is this entire channel run by bonk

Maybe dedede is meant to be low tier, personally i think we dont need every single thing to be balanced. He trades speed for power and range and with an instant reflector, and non grabable move i dont think he needs to change.

fixing gordo would be all he needs

Make penguin King

Now😎

Most of his kill moves have a lot of lag thats really the only problem

I can’t watch it

*DO DK* It’s not a question Do it

Maybe 9.0.0 will help, maybe he'll get some more buffs