*They* know. Just you don't. Because you are reading redacted shit.

@@mrgruust8679 oh yeah? What redacted shit would that b?

The businesses that profit from wars have a good reason.

💯 correct

We must be watching something different. I view him as a late batty professor. However, I do agree with his perspective about POTUS Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z8l0edB-qbHMp6s.html&t=43

@@maiyenish8552 Your depth of understanding is nonexistent.

@@debbievretis5012 Please explain why Obama should have received the Nobel Peace Prize.

@@maiyenish8552 He shouldn't have. Anyone who appreciates Howard Zinn and the gravity of his teachings would know Obama was undeserving of the Nobel. The comment about his battyness is understood, but only if you don't have a burning respect for his integrity, passion and raw courage to stick his neck out for his fellow human. He is one of the most important writers/academics in American history, no question

@@saskk2290 Anybody who has a playlist of Glenn Greenwald obtains my respect! Let me copy and paste a reply, which I made 3 years ago, pertaining to this video. (one of the 400+ comments) ----------------------------------------------------------- What a batty professor. Great to provide a different perspective, (he should be awarded the alternative Historian award). He is still batty! Batty professor thinks the Revolution War legitimized slavery, because it was written into the Constitution. REAL HISTORY: the word "slaves" was omitted from the Constitution in order to improve the probability that the Constitution would be accepted in the Northern states. Actually, the U.S. Constitution began to place limitations. He translates 600,000 lives lost in Civil War as equivalent to 5,000,000 million today (population proportion), but doesn't translate the 4,000,000 freed blacks into 35,000,000 blacks equivalents. He then proceeds to discount President Lincoln's many sleepless nights of how to preserve the union. The South saw the writing on the wall, and didn't want to move in the direction of getting rid of slavery. Howard Zinn never touched on the real problems of war, as was described by POTUS Eisenhower: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bt9gabGEp6i2pI0.html What a batty professor. Rest in Peace.

He had a youthful spirit, and an old soul. ;)

You mean that self-loathing communist pseudo-historian?

What exactly about Zinn's conclusions do you feel lack sound research?

+Liz Walley To elaborate on my earlier comment, he cherry picks minor details and quotes obscure or irrelevant sources. An example of this is in his book, The People's History of the United States. In a passage about Pearl Harbor, he has the audacity to portray Japan as the true victim when the US cut off oil to protest Japan's expansion in to the Pacific Islands and cites an obscure Indian judge who though that the US was to blame for the start of world war 2. And in his rant about the atomic bomb, he mentioned that there were unconfirmed reports about a unconditional surrender then goes on to condemn the US for not excepting an unconfirmed conditional surrender.

www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_weber.html nuclearfiles.org/menu/library/correspondence/togo-sato/corr_togo-sato.htm

he did his part. what we need is the next him

I like Zinn. He is a human being.

Mrdascher I agree with your sentiments. For me Zinn's writings his research and analysis of history is a breath of fresh air. To hear him speak is inspiring. His clarity and ability to communicate a critical understanding of the dynamics of how we can begin to think about past and future wars is enlightening and brilliant....wish l could have been in his classes dialogued with him and be his friend. He has given us the tools to see our collective global community critically in the legacy of his many writings. Please read too!

RIP🙏❤️ Howard Zinn. 2023 now. Cornel West for president 2024

sadly no!

Obviously not, Zinn ist also a product of the American education system.

Not at all. It was not until I luckily had free-thinking college professors of cinema, philosophy, sociology, political science and speech that these conversations happened. My philosophy professor asked us to think of tolerance and justice on the Hiroshima bomb. Was that an act of terrorism? He matched that question after talking about 9/11. My own speech teacher was even against Americans killing Osama Bin Laden (a current event at the time). That only creates more enemies, and she is right.

I'm from Canada, and we generally do have good discussions and awareness about our history, especially in regard to treatment toward our Native population. However, I feel we need to do more to become aware of our history in wars and many other topics (including what I mentioned above) as well.

I am reading the Myth of a Good War. Dresden's fate is especially distressing.

I'm sure you believed yourself to be deep when writing that, but just because you don't believe in a heaven doesn't mean there isn't but I guess you'll find out when you meet your end.

@@UnknownSend3r Spoiler alert: there isn't one. Maybe you've come to that realization in the last few years. Cheers

@@saskk2290 you speak with certainty like you know. But then again this is the internet so I wouldn't be surprised if you claimed to hold a PhD in the after-life.

His writings are self-loathing garbage propaganda to put it bluntly.

Those who are fearful of a closer look often resort to slander, name-calling, etc.... I am thankful that Howard Zinn has been enthusiastic and scholarly in his research. From a variety of viewpoints, experiences, and honest questioning comes a more realistic picture of our past.

+Liz Walley His writings contain numerous factual errors and he is even quoted as saying history should be biased. He goes out of his way to make the US evil or selfish in every decision or action and Stalin as the misunderstood hero.

Those are very general statements. I could just as easily say that Samuel Swift's comments on KZfaq are erroneous, biased, and opinionated. I've been reading Zinn's work for years and find it factual and enlightening. How about some references to back up your comments? Where are the quotes you refer to? Where has he gone "out of his way" to paint someone in a bad light?

+Liz Walley Read my other comment I left you when you asked for proof.

Maurice McDonald Right, and it’s a shame, but the point Zinn was getting at is would war have necessarily brought the best possible outcome? He readily admitted that the cause would have obviously been just/good, but the means are necessarily horrific, and the ends are uncertain, and that’s the ultimate point. It’s not like he was saying, Apartheid ended without war, and everything is fine now. He did point out the simple fact, however, that war would have necessarily guaranteed the suffering and misery of many more people. Maybe your point, which I recognize was made 5 years ago, so there’s a high likelihood that you’ll never even see this, BUT maybe your point wasn’t meant to imply that his point was mute, or silly, or irrelevant, I have no clue. I’m not assuming it was or wasn’t, just to be clear, just as I’m not assuming that you were calling for war, or anything else really. However, I can definitely see why someone else might read that, given that your point is also valid, so my purpose is merely to point out that, despite the validity of your comment, the point that Zinn was making is in no way lessened or silly, etc... As he pointed out with the failures of the US government, and others, post US Civil War: slavery ended via a war, and yes it likely ended sooner, and yes, that’s a good thing, but the justice that was birthed from that is a stunted justice, which really isn’t really justice at all. (I use that instance bc it’s parallel in many ways to apartheid South Africa.) How do we deal with that, or the situation in South Africa, or in Haiti, etc etc? There’s only one way to deal with it, the same as it’s always been: for people to rise en mass, collectively, and say we’re not following the “rules” anymore, if the rules don’t actually mean “justice for ALL”, so if you all (those in power) would like to continue to live peacefully (if at all) in these parts, you’d better make some serious concessions, and you’d better not try to screw us over again, bc we know our best interests, and we outnumber you by pretty serious numbers, and at the end of the day, we don’t actually need you around at all, in order for the rest of us to live a happy, peaceful, JUST existence. In other words, people need to have class consciousness, and they need to be willing to take a risk by threatening the power of the status quo, bc that status quo is unjust. That’s pretty much the only way to peacefully (relatively, that is) get the kind of changes that would create justice. Anyway, I’ve gone on way too long, and it’s likely that you, mr OP, likely won’t even see this reply, but hopefully it’s useful to someone. Peace and love to all... ♾🏴❤️✊🏽✊🏿✊🏼✊🏾❤️🏴♾

The vast majority of those killed were in the north, murdered from the air. The infrastructure in the north became totally dysfunctional as well.

Thank you for that. Too many people don't know what Patriotism even is! It's not running around in a 4x4 pickup with a giant flag in the bed. I think it means to act in the best interest of one's country and fellow citizens. peace

Why should be have to read his self-hate filled dairy?

Nathan Hale... Because There are two kinds of fools; those who can’t change their opinion and those who won’t.