Nonsense, HS2 will stop at Birmingham and never reach the North, it's real reason for being is to to ship lower wage earners into London as the gov has allowed them to be priced out of living in London. HS2's Northern service like the Scotland-N.I Bridge is just to keep the Northern folk blissfully unaware the British gov don't give a hoot about them.

No? Hs2 has been effectively cancelled since my post for the north, the service is to now run on existing track.

@@alexanderd8740 It wont stop at Birmingham as they are constructing the line from Birmingham Interchange Station up to Crewe and Manchester.

If they really wanted the cars off the road they’d have put the train tracks on them. Anyone wanna play chicken with a train travelling at speed? :)

Apparently trains are actually worse for the environment per person, I'm like 70% sure that's true. Either way, when electric cars are the norm trains will definitely be worse

konan Zzz Electric cars make up about 3% of the car purchases world wide, and no Trains are hundreds of times efficient, and produce less pollution than thousands of cars moving the same number of people.

@@lindamuvic8110 Nah my comment says "when" electric cars become the norm, I also said "will be", signifying the future.

konan Zzz where did you get that information then, even 1 billion electric cars are going to have thousands of times more impact on the environment than the equivalent number of trains.

They don’t care about personal hygiene that’s for sure

Something can be done about CO2 and other air pollutants but it's impossible to replace ancient woodland in any reasonable timescale.

High speed trains require armies of line workers who use internal combustion to get to the track, this train will never pay off the damage it will do. As things stand windturbines don't break even so what chance in hell does a train have of breaking even much less being considered green. This train service is not Green it never will be so please check your facts before blurting misinformation.

@@alexanderd8740 funny thing, most of that can be said about building new motorways, but people don't seem to be talking about that lol

Who the hell can afford the fare. Oh yeah, corrupt politicians!

Old pallets, smart arse.

@@Jack-vf9gg but it's still wood tho

crunchRiot coniferous, re-purposed wood

@@Jack-vf9gg still wood tho

It has already been started with rebuilt bridges in the Solihull area over the M42 and A452, plus a start has been made on all 4 stations, tunnel boring in the Chilterns and track formations.

Most likely

The only waste of money is HS2. The money could be better spent improving railways across the whole of the UK, not a connection which already has two lines serving it. No one flies between London and Birmingham, and the project is actually intended to link airports therefore contributing to more flights

@@georgec3650 That's what all the NIMBYS say mate. HS2 will benefit all of us in some way. That's how the economy works. Plus, there is the environmental benefits. Services will be run from London to Scotland running partly on HS2 from when the London to Birmingham section is built. This will encourage people out of their cars and out of planes onto green low carbon high speed rail. When the whole line is built, those benefits will built. The majority is more important than the minority who live alongside the route, thoigh I understand their concerns. We all do do.

Your clearly uneducated on this and just see “Huh tree hugger bad” this train line is going to cost us the tax payer £88 billion+ imagine what’s they could do to boost communities, imagine if they put that money into the rail systems we already have, this line is mainly gonna benefit business men so why is it being build. It’s going to probably take upwards of 15 years to be fully complete so why build it if it’s going to take that long already and might I add it’s behind schedule already and way above budget. Also it won’t be carbon neutral for 120+ years so it will never be carbon neutral in our lifetime, it’s also threatening our biodiversity and endangered species and this product is straight up ecocide.

@@HamishInTheWild Per year Network rail spends the same as HS2 will cost us per year just to keep the current railway operational, in terms of railways £88+ billion is pocket change

@@HamishInTheWild Haha, it seems like you're the uneducated one. The line will segregate high speed rail from regional and cargo trains; as well as more freight by rail, it will allow for a more efficient use of the current rail through current train services being able to run closer to each other. Moreover, it will relieve bottlenecks on our outdated, no longer fit for purpose, Victorian rail lines. It will take planes out of the sky and is integrated with both the Midlands and Northern rail plans making the argument 'it is just for the South' utterly risible. Also, the economic gain from every pound spent on building huge connected infrastructure is far more than piecemeal projects due to, for example, synergy and economies of scale. This project will be a huge boost for the Midlands and the North, just look at the development planned and in progress there. There is a lot of environmental mitigation, the stations are net carbon neutral. I'm pretty sure they are planting more tress than they are cutting down. For the environmental aspect, you have to look at the bigger picture and account for the reduction of domestic flights and lorry journeys (reducing congestion). Also, every motorway, railway and town has similar effects on the environment, I don't see you being livid with the Victorians and 1960's motorway builders of which you probably use their constructions, who have devastated are ecology according to you. Tunneling and green bridges will help mitigate the ecological effects on this line astronomically more than any main motorway or railway currently in existence. It's going to take 15 years to build, so why build it? haha it will be even more useful then and were not all gonna be in flying cars. How about you get off your high-horse and become more educated on this project. "Your clearly uneducated on this," Oh dear! Also This1sAUsurname is right to point out how much we are already spending on the outdated network with little gain and funnily enough little opposition as it is not a 'vanity project' High speed rail is a proven entity look at Japan, China, Europe for examples. 20 years after it is completed I doubt anyone will care like with the M25 or M1, they will just take it for granted. It has its downsides and risks for sure. It will have a large opportunity cost, but I would ask yourself do you really have any idea what the best way to spend £88 million is, I think this project is pretty good way as the wide-scale economic games are very clear.

especially the tax payer

It would cost too much money to cancel everything now

@James Colbey The worst destroyers of our woodland were the Tudors who cut down vast forests to build their gallions, HS2 is a minnow in this respect. Unlike the Tudors who never replanted afterwards, HS2 will replant trees.

I get what you’re saying but we’re talking about ancient woodlands that took hundreds or thousands of years to go

Timber Smack. lol

West coast electrics. Lots off fire wood .😆

The only thing you need to know is that once ancient woodland has been destroyed it cannot be replaced until any newly formed woodland has become sufficiently ancient in 500-1000 years. Do a little bit of research on why biodiversity is necesarry to our survival as a species and you'll soon appreciate the utter madness of destroying our ancient Woodlands for a train line that we don't really need.

Captain Hindsight 😭 😭😭😭😭😭😭Not the trees! I love the trees😭😭😭😭😭.Please don’t kill the trees Mr Government😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 Do you think China cares about ancient woodland? Do you think people who stand to make money care about ancient woodland? Who gives a shit if some trees and birds and badgers die? As far as I’m aware, if we are to promote Britain as a world leader in technology and keep western values of democracy and freedom at the forefront of international debate, we gotta sort our rail systems out.

They're really aren't many cons to the project. They'res plenty of woodlands across the country and they're actually wont be that many trees destroyed for the track.

@@Hindsighht not a single tree in 'ancient woodland' is being cut down, that is a myth perpetrated by extinsion rebellion.

@@silversnow3186 Swampy is a person.

Its always posh drama school type folk in these reports 🤣.

I understand that people may be stressed because of the experience and they are being compensated, and but it doesn't in any way mean HS2 should be scrapped. Plus the majority is more important than the minority.

People are not being properly compensated. Some are waiting 2 years later for payments. People are being payed nothing until after they move out, then they are given a fraction and messed about on costs. Hs2 are robbing people

HS2 isn't just going to help people travel, its also going to massively improve freight and goods transport. The HS2 cant use the existing rail because of their design, they weren't made for 200mph trains and can't handle the extreme forces on alot of sections of track. In particular curved sections. If you look at a map of the HS2 route it has alot of straight sections that allow for high speed travel in comparison to the existing tracks that bend and curve alot more. However the existing tracks will be put to good use and will be almost exclusively for freight and cargo so they aren't going to waste. People will always need to travel even with the internet and honestly "physical travel makes little sense with the internet alternative" is a pretty weak argument.

@@acorgiwithacrown467 I'm glad my point was made without me needing to type it 😂 Thank you, I simply was going to say about the speed issue. I can't wait for the day we have fast bullet trains like Asia, they are fantastic.

The existing rights of way are too old and have too many curves for true high speed service, and high speed service is equally impossible when the line is shared with freight, commuter, and regular passenger trains. Level crossings must also be eliminated for safety reasons. It's much simpler, safer, and cheaper to instead build a high speed line engineered for 350 km/h traffic with no level crossings, no commuter trains, no freight, and almost no pollution.

In Minneapolis & St. Paul, some disused right of ways were paved with asphalt and became BICYCLE THROUGH WAYS, OFTEN WITH 3 LANES, the 3rd reserved for pedestrians. NO MOTORIZED TRAFFIC, except occasional police cars and specially if lightweight snow plows. In the U.S., for decades, the areas along either side of tracks were sprayed routinely with arsenic as a broad spectrum weedkiller. Paving such a wide space effectively buries the arsenic to reduce it being washed into the Upper Mississippi River. It makes me sad to think of such rare ecological communities as old growth forest in England is being forever destroyed. I suppose it is cheaper than running the track through towns and brownfields (industrial slums with toxic residues). To some people, Nature is free, or valueless because no business owns it. Are you planning any kind of rescue of native plants into equivalent acreage which will become old growth forest in 400 years? Or doesn't it matter to you?

@@acorgiwithacrown467 Leon Rice says it WON'T CARRY FREIGHT OR COMMUTERS. Which is it?

It is nothing to do with the importance of getting to and from London from Birmingham, it is the fact that due to privatisation of the Railways there are too many train companies using the West Coast Main line into Euston and the fact that the WCML from Birmingham to Rugby is totally congested and is not fit for upgrading any more, so the only answer was HS2 which will then free up the traditional lines for freight and local trains. The train builders are out for tender at the moment.

The trains need to be nationalised. HS2 is a sorry alternative.

Its duplicating one route which already has two railways. It does nothing for the rest of the system, except suck up the funding

@@sbennel9467 Possibly as its the Busiest route in the UK? if this was on the continent London - Birmingham would have 2 High speed railways, 3 Regional lines and a dedicated Freight line

But this isnt the continent, it is a tiny country. The line in to Euston is the least crowded line into London. It has never been needed

@@sbennel9467 How wrong can you be, yes Brum has two routes to London already, the one you can not call fast from Birmingham Snow Hill to London Marylebone, takes 2 hours and uses Diesel Trains travelling at around 90 MPH, the other is the West Coast Route from Birmingham New Street to London Euston takes 90 mins at the best of times and is congested and travels at between 110 MPH and 125 MPH, HS2 is a high speed route from Birmingham Curzon Street to London Euston will take about 50 mins and be all Electric and travels at around 280 to 300mph, funny enough both HS2 and the West Coast route will be run by Avanti West Coast. this will then free up services on other lines.

Local green party started these camps 3 years ago. Hs2 is in no way green. It is only about more travel, when we need to reduce it

Ancient woodlands are irreplacable

Or for that matter Douglas on the Isle of Man.

Buddy I’m on your side but that argument might be the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard

What power?

Too slow

That would be amazing but It doesn't exist yet, sadly.