Not only that but upgrading the WCML would also mean 15 years of Delays and Cancellations and also 15 years of No Intercity Express Services on Saturdays and Sundays

But those intercity trains serve the towns on these routes and they are not served by HS2 so what you are saying is that all those towns should lose all their fast intercity services and have far more stopping trains! If anyone living in those towns wants to make a long distance rail journey, they would find it takes much longer or they would have to try and reach a station on HS2 to then change to a fast train, meaning more changes and far greater expense. So how exactly is HS2 helping the people of those towns connect to the rest of the country? Surley they would want the same intercity trains to continue after HS2 is buildt?

@@dacorum8053 They are going to get a more frequent service that is in reality only marginally slower due to the more rapid acceleration and deceleration of these lighter emu. For most the convenience of more frequent service will out weigh the marginally longer travel time.

@@grahamariss2111 Thank you for your reply but what you say is not true! Milton Keynes, for example, is served by dozens of intercity trains a day and the fastest journey time to London is 30 minutes but stopping trains take 55 minutes. These fast trains were the reason many people bought homes in MK! Take away the intercities to provide more stopping trains and the fastest journey time to London will nearly double and that is unacceptable. Long distance commuters depend on fast trains to and from London so, for them, HS2 is a VERY BAD IDEA INDEED that will adversely affect their lives. Intercity passengers from Milton Keynes and HS2 would mean longer journeys and a far worse and more inconvenient service than before. It would mean changing trains and much longer journey times. All I have written is also true for other towns and cities on the WCML currently served by intercity trains and it seems as though there is a conspiracy not to talk about it. But the biggest reason what you say is not true is that your suggestion that they would get a more frequent service is because all that depends on the completion of HS2 beyond Birmingham. That looks increasingly unlikely. If and when the Birmingham section is completed, you would still have to run all the intercity services to Manchester on the old WCML and there would be no scope for more trains on the line, making your argument that HS2 will increase capacity completely untrue. Most passengers would still want to use the old WCML because it connects directly with Birmingham and the north west and the same is equally true for those travelling from the north west to London, especially as HS2 is now going to terminate at Old Oak Common in Acton and not Euston. The only sensible conclusion to draw is that HS2 is a white elephant, vanity project that has blown the budget and should be scrapped before more good money is throw after bad.

@@dacorum8053 You ignore several factors. The planned new WCML fleet of significantly higher performance of the new generation emu will not give us the binary choice of pendalino minimum stop super fast tilting train v Siemens stop at every station emu that we have today that you refer to. There will be a greater flexibility of running fleet that is closer aligned on performance, an example would be the sort of service mix you get on the Chiltern line, where you have "semi" express services. True whilst not building HS2 to Manchester and Leeds will negate a lot of the benefits of HS2, but even if it just goes to Birmingham it will at least resolve the number one capacity issue on the British rail network today, which is the congestion on the spur between Rugby and Stoke via Coventry and Birmingham as well as the capacity issue at New Street all of which are timetabled at 110% throughout the day, meaning that if trains are not cancelled for other reasons trains need to be cancelled for lack of capacity. The line South of Rugby or Rugby to Stoke bypassing Coventry and Birmingham and onto Manchester only faces periodic capacity issues. The South of Rugby services will also benefit from the reduction of Services from London to Coventry and Birmingham as well.

@@sohrabrustum8582 I wish KZfaq had the laughing reaction for your nonsense. The emoji will have to do 🤣

He's saying that the primary purpose of HS2 will be to shuttle air passengers from London Heathrow to other airports. I don't get why that's a problem either though, since it would surely be better than relying on connecting flights...

HS2 is to get rid of fast trains from local railways freeing up the tracks for local trains. HS2 isn't a thing you should consider in isolation, it has effects, the biggest is freeing up space. .

@@LordSandwichII HS2 will not go any where near Heathrow Airport, the only Airport it will actually serve is Birmingham Airport

@@peterwilliamallen1063 Well, exactly!

'outside of the covid pandenmic' - which is why the modelling is flawed because we will live with covid19 forever.

London tube and also the Elizabeth Line is already rammed. The internet thing hasn't stopped the passenger numbers returning to 2010 levels.

I have just copied and pasted this message to a few different users to try and get some attention to it. I have some information that could stop this land being destroyed. There is a property Transfer deed in Hull, East Yorkshire, with a valid Claim to the 'Whole of the Land'. This has been covered up since all of the land was sold as a Legal EState, Fee Simple Absloute in Possession, Free From Encumbrances, With ALL the POWERS, in 1932, by mistake or fraud. The Estate belonged to the Haworth-Booth family, who sold it by mistake and died intestate. This is the highest form of land ownership and cannot be defeated in any way. You need to understand the full legal meaning of those words to realise the significance of this deed. The estate is vast and includes lands, all over the country. The government is aware of the deed and the claim which will follow. There is an ongoing National investigation, as a National Emergency concerning this deed, which I hope will come to a head very soon. I emailed the house of commons and warned them not to destroy the forests for this railways scheme. These TRAITORS are concealing this TREASONOUS fraud. I have absolute proof. John Prescott is involved in the HS3 scheme and I upset him when I discovered his plans in 2018. He stomred out of a meeting on Victoria Dock when I went into the guildhall and complained about him. He knows they have no legal powers to follow this scheme and they will be prosecuted. www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/lord-prescott-storms-out-launch-11861758

@The Rain HS2 will remove the express intercity services from both the ECML and the WCML which will leave a lot of space for local and freight services. Running services with different speeds on the same lines, as we are doing now, severely reduces your capacity because the fast trains have to leave a lot of space for the slow ones so they can keep going fast. You take everyone going between the cities that HS2 does connect off the existing lines, that leaves more space for people getting between the towns that HS2 doesn't connect. It will also leave more space for freight on the existing lines. As for ticket prices, they are high right now on the existing lines, because we're beyond the capacity at the moment. Adding a massive amount to the supply should do something about that.

@The Rain Sorry but HS2 will free up local lines, especially in the West Midlands as all Birmingham New Street to London Euston service will travel from Birmingham Curzon Street Station so allowing at least 4 paths per hour out of New Street Station to be utilized by local train services.

Go and protest

Since when has HS2 a Birmingham based project got any thing to do with the Great North Rail Project, the closest HS2 gets to Manchester is Crewe.

HS2 is only linking London with other major cities, that doesn't help the majority of people to ditch their cars to get about. If we want more people using trains then local rail infrastructure needs improving. I live in the Welsh valleys and existing track needs upgrading and more regular services need to be offered. If you don't have a car here you can't get about. The money being spent on HS2 would go a long way towards linking up communities with local work hubs and enable more people to not travel by car.

@@aardvarkinnit2863 HS2 is a massive upgrade to all of the local infrastructure in between the places it serves, because it means we can move the express intercity services off of the existing lines, freeing up massive amounts of capacity from the existing infrastructure to run local services. I agree that other places should also be getting more investment but HS2 is at least providing this upgrade for a large portion of the country.

He wants the clicks.

No they are not, the biggest single issue on the UK rail network is the capacity limit on the WCML between Rugby and Stoke via Coventry and Birmingham, this is restricting not only expansion of much needed local services on the WCML but also the local and cross country services on the lines that interface with it. This problem is by far the most pressingissue in the UK network at the moment and it is one of the main issues resolved by HS2.

I got as far as 'vanity project' and lost interest.

HS2 removed fast trains from the mess that is local regional and national trains. Removing fast trains frees up space for 4x as many LOCAL trains that stop at MORE stations.

Use your brain Ivan, it would cost even more to reinstate the land, get real.

Go and protest and donate

and it goes to central london too, not to the suburbs where the shift is.......www.coronavirusandtheeconomy.com/question/will-coronavirus-cause-big-city-exodus

HS2 is needed to update train services from Birmingham and Manchester to London and free up the Trent Valley route of the WCML

It's so sad that Chris is so wilfully misrepresenting this rail investment. If you remove high speed trains from existing railways then you can fill it with local services and freight - taking cars and lorries off our roads.

@Malcolm Lugg, No, we don't! We want the Midland Mainline to be electrified as they've been saying they would do for nearly 10 years now...!

@@indraugnir9 They should do both. We have enough money to invest in our future. Don't listen to lying Tories

HS2 is like a motorway, it removes fast traffic from local roads. IMAGINE a 70mph HGV on your high street, to make sure it could get through you'd have to clear the road of all the slower traffic. Its much better to put that 70mph HGV onto a motorway, THAT'S what HS2 is, it frees up local railways for local trains.

How do you come to that conclusion, the HS2 route from Birmingham Curzon Street to London Euston and it's train services will replace London train Services from Birmingham New Street and this route saves 40 mins each way from Birmingham not 20 mins.

Your acc pathetic a disrespectfull you proberly drive on mottorways yourselves which had a load od trees cut down you dont have a clue hs2 is good for the enviroment its taking cars off the road cant u get that in your head

@@lukegreen1705 no actually I don't own a car I've cycled everywhere my entire life

@@lukegreen1705 also its cutting down habitats with endangered species in it and if you're trying to tell someone something remember to check you're spelling

@@Yeti_SploofZ For a start I have dyslexia and so does everything. Every constrction does we need more people to go on public transport its better for the enviroment and the current lines are full and packed so we need more lines. What do u suggest we do to increase capicity if you think your a expert?

@@Yeti_SploofZ and not everyone is like you not everyone cycles like you remember that aha

Those same workers can work on much needed community rail and local rail, not this.

What a load of whiny BS! He just wants to stop destruction of nature (which is far more important than all the human shit combined), that is all.

Have you been on a train before?