A mini series of 3 videos making a 5/8 5tpi RH tandem unipass ACME tap.
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@michaelrandle41283 ай бұрын
Brings a new meaning to making chips, I’ve made taps myself and found you have to grind relief at the back of the teeth.
@MgBaggg3 ай бұрын
It makes the difference between cutting a thread and breaking a tap
@bostedtap83993 ай бұрын
I prefer battered chips 🍟
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi Michael, part 3 will reveal 😁
@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian3 ай бұрын
Hi Paul. You have gone where us mere mortals would never dare to tread. You continue to inspire me to be braver and to “go for it”. Good luck as you progress. 👏👏👍😀
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Thank you Andrew. Cheers
@bkoholliston3 ай бұрын
Conventional milling is the opposite of climb milling. Nice video--you are very intrepid!
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Somehow I'm disappointed that it's just called 'conventional milling'. I'm sure they could have come up with a more exciting name for it. Cheers
@species8472nl3 ай бұрын
That potato was a novel approach 😂
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Indeedy, I had to try something. There was still a lot more work ahead of me at that point and I just needed some comfort that the tap was viable (although as I said using the spud threading proved not much really). Cheers
@davidberlanny33083 ай бұрын
Hi Paul, that was really very interesting and nerve racking. You did really well to capture this for us as well, the commentary as you went along was excellent. John Mills would have been proud of you and would have sent you off with a "bon apetit bonny lad" Look forward to seeing how you finish off the tap and test it Well done, have a great week!!
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi David, it was quite job, and touch and go at times, but the end justified the effort. Cheers
@coplandjason3 ай бұрын
Another great Video Paul, very interesting. When you were about to grind the flutes on the mill I was yelling at the screen for you to put a jack under it and then you did! Glad to see you are enjoying the parting off blade, I've been using one similar to that for a while now, 2mm tip and parting off is now fun rather than nerve wracking
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Yes the parting blade was worth the money in terms of stress relief (my stress). Cheers
@Logan8801213 ай бұрын
I'm usualy make bigger ACME screws and nuts but in my experience it is best to use hss tools grinded to two forms. One is like a parting of style and the other is with the same angle like an ACME but narrower. With the first one you cut to depth and with the second one you cut the sides to size, only cutting one side at a time. It's much lighter on the tools and the machines than a full form tool.
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi Logan88 I can see how that works. I had to do something similar internally in the new bronze nut (roughing out the thread) because the force on the tap to cut a full thread was was just excessive to say the least. I learnt a lot. Cheers
@stevewilliams24983 ай бұрын
"Conventional" is what I was taught, milling the opposite of "Climb"
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Yep Steve that seems to get the vote - conventional. Cheers
@acooper44823 ай бұрын
I usually run my potatoes under the tap 😂
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Oh very witty Sir, 😁😂
@paulhammond74893 ай бұрын
Best I can come up with is a Tap Spud, but a tap spud is a plumbing term for a threaded spud fitting that secures / seals a tap to a bulkhead such as a sink. So a Spud does have an internal thread, but I've never seen an ACME version ;)
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Paul I'd never heard of a Tap Spud or it's plumbing use. That's a new one for me. Cheers
@RobertBrown-lf8yq3 ай бұрын
Paul….. 😱😱😱 This is like watching an Alfred Hitchcock film 🤣🤣🤣😆 Bloody nerve wracking ….. and I’m just the spectator 😎 I admire your determination…. and your problem solving methods. Regards Robert
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi Robert, but to follow the analogy, I told you who the murderer was at the beginning and you know they get away with it. 🤣 Cheers
@RobertBrown-lf8yq3 ай бұрын
@@HaxbyShed I always read the last pages in a novel first anyway… 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Robert
@jonsworkshop3 ай бұрын
Captivating stuff Paul. Your problem solving skills, ingenuity and ability to think outside of the conventional are as polished as they are entertaining. Now you have to name your tap "The Rooster" or something. Cheers, Jon
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Anyway Jon I'll have to think of some unconventional use for the tap as I don't suppose I'll ever use it again to cut 5/8 5tpi RH ACME. Cheers
@billdoodson42323 ай бұрын
"Cross threading in a potato". Not a sentence I ever expected to hear. 😂😅😂😂 The last threading I did on the lathe, was to make a new plug and drain when we refurbished our original Victorian fireclay roll top bath. 1,1/2" BSPP in 316L shed 80 pipe. All the way through went OK, then set the threading dial on the wrong number for some reason on the finishing cuts. Managed to recover it, but broke the insert, cannot blame you for turning the camera off.
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi Bill, I'm not good at multi tasking at the best of times and allocating my brain processing cycles 80% cam, 20% lathe is just setting myself up to fail on anything but the simplest tasks. People don't realise but the cam does not manage itself, and there is a constant call for my attention from both the machine and cam. Machine has to have priority because the cam won't hurt me or cost me. Cheers
@billdoodson42323 ай бұрын
@@HaxbyShedNo you don't want any distractions when you are operating any machinery. Particularly something that can make a real mess of you.
@Rustinox3 ай бұрын
I think precut the threat with the boring bar and finish it with the tap is the way to go.That will work just fine.
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi Michel, thanks. The level force needed to cut a deep ACME thread with a tap was something I was just not prepared for. You will see in part 3 just how much force it took. I was very lucky that the tap did not break and, as you say, to precut most of the thread on the lathe with the boring bar was essential. These are things not understood unless you 'just do it's, as you say. Thanks for your support.
@flyerphil77083 ай бұрын
That’s how I do it👍
@stevenperks71503 ай бұрын
Love the potato Paul 😂
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
I had to try it on something .... there was still a way to go and I needed the therapy. Cheers
@StuartsShed3 ай бұрын
I admire your tenacity and resolve. I have certainly had plenty of shop sessions where I end up thoroughly disheartened - but it's good to go back at it and overcome. I certainly appreciate your transparency in showing the whole process. Also I don't think people in general realize how much attention the filming can take away from trying to make the part. Cheers!
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Stuart I reckon shooting video at least doubles the time. I review almost every clip on the cam after I take the shot. There in absolutely nothing worse than finding out later that the microphones were off, or the cable pulled out, or it was blurred, or you were shooting right into the work light, or your lapel mic was rubbing on your coat zip. But because video slows everything down I'm less likely to rush into a stupid mistakes with the job and my temperament is calmer. Cheers
@lv_woodturner38993 ай бұрын
I am loving this project. So much to learn. I make 3D printed parts for wood lathe jigs. One attempt was a 3D printed adapter for the live centre with 1 1/4 x 8 tpi male thread on the OD and 3/4 x 10 tpi female thread on the inside. The threads are too sharp so I need to be chase, OD with a die and ID with a tap. The plastic is not strong enough to pull the 1 1/4in die along the thread. I did finally get the die on, but the thread was a bit cross threaded. A failure. I think Delrin would have had the same issues. It is the depth of the thread and so the large area being cut by the teeth, even though not taking much off. I have the same parting tool blade and inserts. This design works well - until the top part of the blade holding the insert moves for whatever reason and then the insert falls off. Easy to flip to the other end - until that end suffers a similar fate. I would get a spare blade to keep on hand. For an alternate test material I would have used a piece of hardwood. Since I do a lot of wood work, I have many different species of wood in my shop, some tighter grain and more dense than others. Threading into side grain works best for me. I have some wooden faceplates for the wood lathe. My 1 1/4 x 8 tpi tap was able to make nice threads in the side grain of walnut and mulberry for example. The ACME 5 tpi thread is a MUCH bigger challenge. As you said, so many nuances, cut the material, expel the chips, etc. When I machine 1 1/4 x 8 tpi threads on my metal lathe, my slowest speed is 60 rpm and the carriage feels to move much to fast for my liking. This is a reason I ponder upgrading to 3 phase motor and VFD to be able to get slower speed. I just am not eager to have to replace all the controls. I helped a friend do this on a couple of metal lathes so I appreciate the work involved. Looking forward to the next episode. Dave.
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi Dave, I would just buy a piece of Delrin and try, it's cheap enough. You will find it delightful to cut but it is very strong in the sense that it takes a high tensile twist load. The 63 and 40 tooth screw cutting gears for my lathe are made from Delrin (the others are steel) located on a key and they have been used to make deep cuts in large threads (i.e. a very course pitch I mean) and even when the lathe is moaning the Delrin gears work without issue. Now why did I not think of wood ???, the tap was not sharpened at that stage though. I may need to put the VFD on my surface grinder yet, it depends how much patterning I get on the grind. Cheers Paul
@TheRecreationalMachinist3 ай бұрын
Good stuff. Although Delrin can machine beautifully, I've had brand new (sharp) shop-bought taps grab as sometimes the elasticity of the material means it moves out the way of the cutting edges rather than forming chips, so your experience doesn't come as a surprise. Perhaps using aluminium would work better? Looking forward to the next part...
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi Matt, I did try cutting a bit of aluminium and it was gummy and bound up so I tried on a scrap bit of scrap bronze and that cut fine. I agree Delrin has its limitations. Cheers Paul
@tinkeringtim79993 ай бұрын
Using a potato was genius! That is a trick I think I'll use again, very original! Learning from your experience I'd freeze it first though. Putting the potato back on the original and checking it's as firm would be a good idea.
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hiya, frozen potato can be very tough? I'm not sure it would have worked with the tap unhardened. 😁
@bostedtap83993 ай бұрын
Hi Paul, Very interesting to see the geometry in thread tap manufacture, I think you need to stock up on smaller ball end slot drills, but looks like it will work ( you did show the end result previously. Thanks for sharing
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi John, you will see later an advantage to making the flutes the way I did. Something I did not think of at the time when selecting the flute form. Cheers
@MyLilMule3 ай бұрын
Always look forward to your videos, Paul.
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Greg did you spot that the ball-end endmill was one of the ones you sent me. All that stuff is proving very useful - thank you very much. It really expanded my collection of cutters. Cheers Paul
@TrPrecisionMachining3 ай бұрын
good video paul
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Thank you. 👍
@jasonhull57123 ай бұрын
I know I’ve subscribed to your channel already.. but I just had to do it again for some odd reason. Just wanted to let you know. Also those double cut taps are complex and difficult to make. You are doing an excellent job at it. But acme taps as I understand them generate an enormous amount of pressure and heat when using them. Great video
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi Jason, then you are my first known double subscriber 😎. There may be others who don't want to admit it. I can 100% confirm that cutting the thread with the tap takes a great deal of force and yes I got very heated in the process (🤣). Cheers
@JourneymanRandy3 ай бұрын
Taking on a challenge Paul? You've got guts.
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Yes Randy I was well out of my comfort zone but feeling I had a better than 50/50 chance. You can see why I made the tap before pushing out the first vid. Cheers Paul
@flyerphil77083 ай бұрын
According to Professor Chaddock, no clearance is required on the outside diameter. The flutes can be ground to sharpen until too thin and break.
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi flyerphil, I had to read up on Dennis Hilliar Chaddock. Cheers
@philhermetic3 ай бұрын
I too have messed up because of the interference factor of the camera! Riveting stuff, you have my undivided attention, you are certainly earning your engineers stripes with this one! Phil
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Phil I'll have to think of something even more adventurous in due course. The Surface Grinder is perhaps an opportunity. I've not really put much thought to what to do with it but sharpening some tooling somehow has got to be on the list. If the grinder works ok with the static converter I'll need to lookout for another 3 phase machine to use the VFD I bought when I panicked. Cheers Paul
@markrainford12193 ай бұрын
You forgot the beef dripping cutting fluid with the potato.
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Yes indeed and I missed the chance to joke about making 'chips' 🤣🤣
@russellwall19643 ай бұрын
Having just started working on a replacement block so I can remove the compound on my lathe with something more rigid, I completely understand where you’re coming from (including the potato!). You are in good company on feeling your way through these things. I worked on making some leveling feet for my lathe only to find a real flaw in my design, but that’s what keeps us going - failures teach us and we improve the design. So far your design looks great! I’m nowhere near so brave as you, putting my work on display (mine would bring far too many negative comments) but I really appreciate your willingness to share your adventures. Thanks for yet another great video!!! Looking forward to seeing how this plays out.
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi Russell, I find as long as you are honest then people are very generous and supportive. And it's always unwise to be too 'clever' anyway because half the time the things I think I understand I find out later I don't. There is always people out there with so much more experience. Embarking on a risky project for a presenter is scary - imagine having hours of video which turns out to be trash and then nothing left to show 😖. I always keep some other video back in reserve for such cases. Cheers
@AdeSwash3 ай бұрын
Your perseverance is admirable Paul! I have sent you an email for sticker swaps. Regards. Ade
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi Ade thanks. I'll get a sticker off to you before the weekend, Cheers
@thigtsquare9503 ай бұрын
I have a similar problem. I need a surface grinder for a pice of the surface grinder. The flutes on that tap would be extremely easy in the grinder. These pieces really test your patience (forget it, i’ll buy it). Also these pieces challenge you enough to think, research, learn and improve. Indeed the cost of this taper would be excessive if you try to make a profit. However, for a hobby fulfills multiple objectives: it’s entertaining, productive, educative, and cheap (only the cost of the materials). May I suggest to make a lathe plate for the divider’s chuck. My lathe is has an L-00 taper and I laso have a divider similar to yours.
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi thigtsquare, I did have a spare 9in faceplate for the lathe which I almost kept just for the L00 fitting but it would be hanging around unused and it was quite slotted and drilled. Now prices of all that stuff has gone sky high. Cheers
@Warped65er3 ай бұрын
Thx for the vid.
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Yr welcome Sir, 👍
@tonyscott82573 ай бұрын
I'm a bit late with the making chips joke, but well done
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
😁👍 Thanks
@stevewilliams24983 ай бұрын
I wasn't laughing because I used a potatoe, in the same way, with complete success, to measure the pitch I needed to be able to make a rack for the vertical feed in my Adcock & Shipley mill. I discovered the rack was missing after I bought the machine.
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi Steve there is nothing worse than finding the critical part is missing or broken. I used my shaper for months before I discovered there was a chunk missing from the stroke adjustment t-slot on the bull wheel which limited the stroke to 9 inches rather than the full 10 inches. Fixed now - did a video series on that. I seem to have spent a lot of time repairing machines - doing their overdue periodic 50 year heavy maintenance service. Cheers
@jasonhull57123 ай бұрын
*Climb milling* or * conventional milling* That’s your choice sir. I try to conventional mill when roughing the work in and then light cuts with slightly higher rpm’s in climb milling to get the nice finish everyone buggers on about. 👍
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
ah those perfectionists eh ....... 😁
@BedsitBob3 ай бұрын
If you cross thread that potato, you'll have had your chips. 😊
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi bedsitbob, I'm still chuckling about that. 😁🤣
@chrisstephens66733 ай бұрын
Is this where the terms "nutty" and "screwy" come from that are to describe people who are "challenged"? Is "Mr potato nut" the new "Mr potato head"?😂
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Yes I like the name 'Mr Potato Nut' Chris. Cheers
@user-ip6nw6ws7i3 ай бұрын
хорошая идея с картошкой
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Ну надо же было что-то попробовать.....
@somebodyelse66733 ай бұрын
Would potato be considered a self-lubricating material? Would it be proper to add butter, perhaps? p.s. It might be a speed/feed issue. Increase until you get those nice, golden-brown chips, and don't spare the butter!
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
I don't know what the rpm limit for a spud would be ..... overspeed could lead to a mashup. 😁
@christophercullen12363 ай бұрын
If you had brought a tap what would you have learnt Nought !
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Yes quite so Chris. Each new process I learn opens up a whole new area to explore further. Cheers
@paulrayner45143 ай бұрын
whatever works for you mate, Iv'e stuffed bread in weeping pipes to solder them before today
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Paul tapping that potato was more therapy than practical use. I suppose I could have sectioned the potato to make 1-sided crinkle cut chips (French Fries). Cheers
@graedonmunro17933 ай бұрын
next time i order chips, if they ask if i want salt i will say no thanks. i will have mine with acme!!!
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
The ACME Spud Co .... perfect name for a business enterprise 🙄
@ml504869653 ай бұрын
Is the potato cooked or raw?
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
If the potato was cooked it would have been a real mash up .... 🤣 thanks for watching.
@user-fz9yy3ki7j3 ай бұрын
Not related to Videos, but will a new Haxby rail station be useful, or not?
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
What, you are inviting me to step on that landmine? I've seen the comments on Facebook. I'll just observe 3 things: 1) it would have been very very useful for me when I was travelling frequently to Leeds and Manchester to have a direct train; 2) if/when the Station is there then habits and patterns and views will change and adapt; 3) it's bound to lead to more housing development (not such a good thing for those of us already here). Cheers
@user-fz9yy3ki7j3 ай бұрын
@@HaxbyShed Appreciate the reply. Only wanted a local view as I'm not so well acquainted with the area. Might have guessed it would be controversial. Unfortunately housing is a big issue across our small island. Popham Airfield is also being primed for housing. When do we stop building and infilling?
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi Geoff, on housing development the views around here are split between 'not in my back yard' and needing somewhere for younger people to live. Overall I would say here there is quite a lot of sympathy towards the younger people trying to get somewhere affordable and it's hard to see any solution without more houses. Unlike many developed countries with populations in decline (Japan, Korea, Italy, Spain, Germany etc) it's not the case in the UK. Not workshop chat but still gives an insight as a side topic perhaps. Cheers
@user-fz9yy3ki7j3 ай бұрын
@@HaxbyShed Yes, agree with all of that. However, l’ve travelled to the SE, SW, and Midlands these last few years and seen housing developments everywhere, including new roads to access them. Our ex bungalow in Great Bookham is now flats, Waterloo Station approaches look like a City. Here, we see farms being sold off for what is presumably Hotels. Birmingham NEC is building another Station. Airfields are sold for development. It all encroaches on quality of life and there must be a limit on what can be done. In contrast there are vast tracts of land in the US, and Australia, which are uninhabited, or maybe uninhabitable. I would like to think generations following us would have the freedom we had, but thats being eroded by over regulation, under education, and so called woke culture. Freedom of speech is being eroded.
@cooperised3 ай бұрын
I don't think you were really trying with the potato jokes. Something about chips, surely? Or at 36:00 "we're into the meat of it here"? 😂 Machining vegetables is very Doubleboost...
@HaxbyShed3 ай бұрын
Hi Cooperised we should have a coffee again sometime......
@cooperised3 ай бұрын
@@HaxbyShed Yes we should! I've been super busy but I'll drop you an email.