I totally expected this. Looking forward to seeing what you do with it!

I love Virtual Desktop!

Absolute power move mate, good luck porting it!

Virtual Desktop > AirLink :)

Im gonna cheer you for what you did here, and hope you choose to target the rest of the market after this first business targeted version has been out and you get the usage data you need from it. Awesome work!

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Hi

I had games on my phone in 1994.

@That Guy You forgot to add the part of your joke where there is a kid asking you for your 1994 phone games.

for the time being, I agree that a controller would be a nice add. It would eventually be awesome to see the tech get good enough to have this form factor and quality inside-out tracking. I can only dream for now haha.

There is a controller now, they rebranded the original focus controller as a flow controller.

Fucking true man 😂, this guy is just shitting on the device because it doesn't support iPhone without taking in consideration the limitations and rules apple has over developer, does he really think apple is going to allow another company to bring their new AR/VR headset to the app store when apple already has plans on making their own glasses, like holy shit u have to be really naive to think that apple is an ethical and morally correct company...

Right? Like I get it, it would be nice to have this device be completely standalone, no phone involved (he did mention HTC hinted at working on this so who knows what we will see at launch). But the fact that the main grievance is that it only runs on android is basically moot. He even mentions that "50% of people literally can't use [the Flow] unless you have an Android device" ...which means that if this thing only ran on iOS that *checks math* 50% of people couldn't use. Counter point, yeah, if it ran on both OS that would be awesome, but with Apple supposedly in the works on their own VR/AR device I highly HIGHLY doubt we would ever see a timeline where Apple would give the green light for a competitor on their platform (unless you are like, I dunno, Logitech). Android "limitation" aside the other downsides he brings up is the cost ($500) and that you need a separate battery unit. Which is a separate argument.

might it be that apple is already working on their own?

Android master race ;) but literally.

Still, they’re making it the users problem

i can see these being stolen easily. you wouldn't even see it coming.

@@Dtr146 But you would see it going ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

How often do we even see android devices?

ITS TIME TO DUEl

@@JorgetePanete why did i laugh so hard at this

Seriously so close with this one. I just imagine if this had 2 more cameras, simple 6dof controllers, an XR2. Even if it cost an extra $150 or $200, it would be insane.

Vive: We made this awesome standalone that'd make a great Quest 2 competitor Also Vive: Enterprise headset

We cannot compete with The Zuckulus therefore we must.... *points gun at feet*

I guess Quest 2 is sold so much at a loss that nobody can compete price-wise. A lot of big companies does it to shut down the competition (and then up the price) but HTC is oddly still in the VR market after so many years. Their commitement is mindblowing for me.

Personally I feel really disappointed about the Specs. I have the Quest 1 and Quest 2 and after a time the "WoW" effect becomes more and more less. Its not a bad thing. It is natural that you get used to new technology. Your mind and body knows what will happen when you put it on. In my opinion it is all about feeling immersed which gives you the "WoW" feeling. After 2 years of VR using I think what makes you "optical" immersed is FoV > Resolution > Precise Tracking > Refresh Rate > Black Levels > Ipd adjustment. The Htc Flows FoV and refresh rate would be a Immersion killer for me. I think who already owns a quest 1 or 2 wont have a immersive "WoW" effect with the headset. The HTC Flow wants to be a headset to get easy to other places so they want you to feel like you are there but with the lack of immersive technology improvements i dont think i could feel that.

Not impossible though. The devs just need to put in the work.

This. Blame Apple, and stop buying their devices. Almost everything that doesn't work on an Apple device, the problem is them.

@@RussDnB No. Fuck. Apple.

@@johngrasso6224 There is trivially a market share there, so developers tried to make this, and the only reason they could not is indeed Apple in this case. It is not their craftmansship limitation, it is forbidden in the appstore to implement certain stuff. They check it and they deny to support it, so your app will not appear in appstore. Think about those apps which need jailbreak. The same reason. A feature bothering Apple will not make its way to the appstore.

Yeah Apple is the main factor here, but HTC should have anticipated this and invested more into developing proper hand tracking support before the launch of a device like this. Even with an Android phone I would be worried about dropping the device due to the cumbersome somewhat disorienting 70 hertz space that I am immersed in. That combined with the other drawbacks mentioned in this video, they should have spent more time working on this and they should have released it closer to when the technology is ready. Sure a head start is good, but with these kinds of limitations I have no clue how they're going to make money from this. As a tech enthusiast this is cool, I like seeing companies try new things and push the boundaries of current technology, mistakes need to be made so that they can learn from them, but from a business perspective this is kinda foolish. Putting yourself in the shoes of a non-rich consumer that has to jump through hoops to experience a limited reality, would anyone really buy this over what the competition offers? I know Facebook has set a nearly impossible price to hardware standard for VR with their selling of user data helping subsidize the manufacturing, development, research, marketing, etc... costs, but more companies need to challenge Facebook. There are plenty of people that would be willing to deal with some drawbacks, growing pains, and slightly higher prices if it means not supporting Facebook. Index is just too expensive for most people who are in the market for a Quest. idk

Lol

Perfect wording

Yeah....this is D.O.A. in my opinion.

Watch Oculus revitalize the Go platform with a similar headset (thin) design now and with the added bonus of an XR3 inside ... HTC will cry.

If its marketed towards people that know absolutely nothing about VR, then they might be able to keep this thing from flopping. The problem is, people that dont know anything about VR arent interested in VR in the first place, especially not interested enough to spend 500 dollars on it lol

It isn’t even fully standalone either that’s the funny thing! 🤣😂 You need a USB C power source to power it! A $500 joke for sure!

It's not meant for those people, get the Oculus Quest which is actually designed with that in mind. 500 is cheap change for what this is, are you serious?

@@michaelfapgod4598 strip the quest down a lot and you have this, it'll probably look steampunk af, but you could feasibly do it

500 bucks for you? It'll probably be 500 pounds for us English folk which is nearly 700 us dollars.

Looked it up and yes! Once again us Europeans and nearly everyone else outside America are overcharged. So uh don't complain.

@@michaelfapgod4598 but it's worse than Quest 2 in almost all points...

Ya know. Why don’t we just make it so that it’s just glass and screens on our face and a wire down to our pockets that have the computer in them. Just thought of that

@@ClebyHerris I think the main reason we don't see super simple and light designs like that is because the companies don't think it would be rugged enough for everyday use. VR can be a very physical activity and the gear is still pretty expensive, after all. Also the device makers don't want to spend all their time on repairs. However, if the headsets are inexpensive and were easily repairable by the users, then all of that wouldn't matter as much. IMO, the best VR goggles would be cheap, simple, super lightweight and modular. By modular, I mean you could swap out the screen, the lenses, the frame, the tracking cameras, etc whenever you wanted an upgrade or if something breaks. And to keep the weight down, take everything you don't actually need in the headset itself and put it in a separate unit, which is what you're saying and what Magic Leap is doing. And if it can get cheap enough, then the outer plastic shell wouldn't need to be so thick and heavy; it could even just be a thin film that's just there to block out the light.

You should do more videos together!!

AHAH found you

hi youtuber heres your likes

I am number four

can we ship Phia and Thrill for the sake of the entire future of the world and virtual reality plz.

if they can could take the xr1 chip and make a knockoff quest 1 even.......

@@Dtr146 Yeah even a downgrade from the quest 2 to a quest 1 with this form factor would be fantastic and worth buying. Assuming we'd get actual controllers.

There's also Huawei Glasses that is built in a similar form factors and has been out for at least two years, though. But it takes either a Huawei phone or a Nolo kit to use, and it's 3DoF when using with a Huawei phone. (Nolo kit is like 180 degree 6DoF tracking and not that accurate, so it's definitely not the best way to experience PC VR)

@@AllenAkiyama lol no

But here's the thing: devices like the Quest 2 aren't this small. Getting upset about a device like this not being very powerful is therefore just silly.

If this thing can work with drones then its definitely gonna take off with that demographic

Biggest W for Android users. Seething L for Apple dummies

how do i get one of these?

You just passed 420k subs you legend

Perfect timing for a Pixel 6 Pro :-)

How would this be possibly capable of hand tracking? A camera seems obvious but how well would that work? Probably not well. You know what WOULD work well? Adding sensors in the band, or where the heart rate sensor is, could potentially track your fingers, by looking at tension inside your forearm!

@@MimicGriphon are there really ways to calculate fingers position by arm tension? That's sound awesome, you can make a keyboard for people who have lost their fingers!

@@smirnovamaria9611 actually, yes! I'm not sure how well, or how cheaply it would be to integrate it, but that's how certain prosthetics work! Some things that might make it cheaper or easier to build is that it wouldn't need motors or anything. Second, most people don't have some muscle tissue completely gone, so, theoretically, each build would hopefully not have to be custom made like prosthetics!

Just so this part of my comment isn't under a "read more" thing, THE BEST THING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS THAT IT WOULD MAKE THESE LARGE COMPANIES THROW MONEY AT PROSTHETICS RESEARCH!

@@MimicGriphon dude I'm so hyped up! Thank you for the info!

is a problem for the company. not for you. most companies want to sell as much of their product as possible.

LETS REJOICE 🤣

yes

I totally agree.

the nail job could be better tho. Just gross.

If it's a secondary device then why they should lower its price, though... It's just like how Apple is selling iPad Pro at a higher price point than (similar spec) MacBook because iPad Pro is no doubt meant to be a secondary device.

@@FlameRat_YehLon the iPad Pro isn’t a secondary device for a lot of people. A standard iPad potentially but a pro is not a secondary device, at least not for most people

@@FlameRat_YehLon the ipad pro can function as a light laptop. Has keyboard, mouse and game controller support now.

@@edemirmolinajr9790 I'd say the reverse of what you said is more true. iPad Pro (especially those with M1) is extremely overpowered and overpriced for casual use, but when at work, it's capable enough to actually able to provide an aid (as otherwise you'll go to the laptop immediately to save some time). Other models are mostly for casual use and can do a little bit of work, and it's good for those that don't even need a laptop (or only need a netbook) to begin with. As for using only iPad Pro for work, well, that's a waste of money, because a cheaper laptop can do more. Nobody would do that unless they just want to brag about having an iPad Pro.

@@edemirmolinajr9790 Though you are right that it's not for most people. People tends to forget that iPad Pro was supposed to be a niche thing that fills specific needs, unlike other iPad that are priced way cheaper yet still have most of the features.

ahaha nice to see a positive take, everyone seems so negative about this! i think its a step in a pretty cool direction, smaller lightweight 'sunglass' type headsets. over time the price will go down, and the power will go up :)

Im happy about everything NOT Facebook related 👍👍👍just hoping a pcvr LIKE the quest 2 ..and 3 🤔 will be available soon. The rooms in my house are too small to install all the sensors and all.

@@mazeknox We need a standalone headset that can compete with the Quest 2. Facebook dominates the standalone market, it controls everything that happens in that market, making them essentially a monopoly. We do not need a new PCVR headset, PCVR headsets can't compete with the Quest 2 because they're in completely different markets.

@@anakinlowground5515 ok thanks for the rant. I know what you mean, and im pretty sure you know what I meant. 😝

@@declanlambert1089 Too many people were expecting something that no one official even hinted at. It's like the 'Switch Pro' mess. And now those people are loudly complaining about something that never was going to be.

Is that his gf?

@@LeesReviews69 I don't think so and I doubt they would make it public either which is honestly fine :)

This is possible. The physical connection to a device allows you to attach arbitrarily powerful compute.

Who cares about ar, we barely have game to play on vr.

AR is make by google they dont work well with HTC VR either one try different phone still dont work with it HTC VR use it own technology control VR apps

More powerful hardware wouldn't fit to compete with the quest

Or as TS suggested, a very simple controller with a couple of buttons. The headset isn't made for gaming, it doesn't need good tracking and lots of buttons

Why ois

@@kadabra8268 so something with an iphone/ipad/ipod could use it?

@@BlackSlimShady or maybe stop buying products from one of the worst tech companies in the world

@@PixelLife101 why would you willingly cut off customers? Lmao

My first thought when mentioned was "What's apple done this time to make HTC think it's not worth the effort to cater to such a large market segment?"

Right! You'd think someone 'tech savy' would know it's apple at fault here. This guy is just a youtuber, doesn't know much about tech.

Well said 👏

@@bruddaozzo They specialize in vr tech at the expense of other tech fields, sadly. Noticed that for quite a while.

Yeah if you buy an iphone you are at the mercy of what apple will or won't allow on it's platform. Gamers and people trying new technologies shouldn't be running anything apple in the first place, you will always be limited.

I know right? If your going to make a VR headset mainly for movies and 3d experiences, why wouldn't resolution be top priority?

what kind of work would you use it for?

@@alexmikhylov I just want to have a nice virtual workspace, where I can have like 5 monitors. And I'm a VR dev so it would be nice if I could seamlessly test stuff without needing to constantly take off and put on a headset.

@@IAmAzarath gotcha

@eversome Soooo...whatever the Flow 2 will hopefully be then? I'm hoping anyways

I expect Apple to have some shenanigans up their sleeve, considering they're rumored to be working on their own headset. Plus the iOS API is so limiting that iPhones might not even be useful for this at all.

@@alex15095 Is Apple's API so restricted? All the app will need is Bluetooth streaming, touch inputs and access to the accelerometer data.

@@kopkaljdsao But you just know it's gonna want GPS Always, Contact List and Call History, Photos and Videos...

@@kopkaljdsaoYou could probably have that, but it's restricted in that if your phone times out or goes to sleep, you just can't keep it running. Not without ugly workarounds

Apple doesn't innovate, they perfect. This device is innovative, so bad luck apple fanboys.

In a way it will be. But ultimately it is its own product. And it does what it is supposed to do well.

Let's hope it to be true and an even better more unbelievable headset arrives.

It looks like one of the experimental prototypes that was just cheap enough they realized if it actually sells they will have big margins. And that it was an empty niche they could be the first to fill. It has big potential for software updates especially if it can read QR or once they make iOS app for you overly fruity americans

Idk they really broke the mold on this one, and after all it’s really new and kind of setting a standard for new headsets and downsizing to this level, at least that’s what I think their intentions were.

Basically they just gave away a very cool design to Oculus and everyone else to make a real version

To a degree. But the only other notable device in this category is the Magic Leap and they are similarly limited. The technology just isn't there yet to have such a small and svelte device be powerful.

@@tams805 huh? What do you mean? The tech is absolutely there. Its mostly a tech vs price issue. Progression of the technology to produce it cheap enough to meet target audience. That's what underdeveloped

There will be a sequel sometime sure, but by then real XR headsets will beat it too.

it costs 499 usd

Yeah but imagine if it become like $700 and had more cameras and 6dof controllers and vive business pc support

@@Computer-Catt exactly. The cost is what totally kills this device. Quest 2 is cheaper and more capable with more software support. All this has going for it is a (really) cool and small form-factor. And I'm predicting Oculus is gonna announce a device with Quest 2 capabilities and this form-factor at the end of the month, prettymuch putting this thing out of business. It's too bad. I probably would've bought one of these if it was more capable. Even at a $500 price point.

@@Computer-Catt I saw the whole video and I do think it's overpriced but it seems like its targeted at businesses for demos/VR video calls, so HTC is probably trying to make a bit more profit off this for future projects

@@Swaggless Like I said in my other comment it's probably pricier to make extra profit for future projects, but it's probably also because the supply chain is way cleaner than the quest 2

There's generally not that many OLED VR headset on the market because they have a lower sub pixel count than LCD displays. That's said, it seems that sometimes people do just accept the screen door effect in order to get better dynamics.

@@FlameRat_YehLon Dan meant Micro-OLED. SadlyItsBradley was purposing that this headset could be using similar screen tech that Thrill was gushing over in the VARJO XR3

@@gr1f1th that kinda doesn't change anything, though... You are not magically getting RGB as opposed to pentile sub pixel arrangement just because you make the display smaller. Also Varjo is like 10x more expensive so I doubt its tech would be cheap enough for regular users to buy in the near future. Maybe in 5 years, but not 1 or 2.

@@FlameRat_YehLon that makes perfect sense if the micoOLED is magnified back up to full FOV. The only benefit then would be compactness and power draw.

“ glad it's still somewhat useful” lol

This is a standalone headset, so in theory the phone app could even be as simple as a webpage that's hosted by the headset. On top of that, if there can be drone controller app available on iOS, why not VR headset controller app as well.

The only reason apple wouldnt allow it is if the app doesnt adhere to it’s store rules. Bet the apple app will come later if people buy this.

It's odd because this is the kind of product you buy when you have enough money to spend on something that is slightly better at a niche thing. Their target audience are apple product users

Apple is not worth the effort

Maybe because apple sucks

Google cardboard was actually opened to developers. That things does not support 3rd party app.

At least it can do with a cheap used old phone with a crappy screen. :)

just buy a quest 1 at this point

@@SnrubSource ew, Facebook, not an option :)

Google cardboard had much worse performance, worse lenses, no diopter dials, doesn't even stay on the head unless you build some straps to hook it on to, is not nearly as comfortable, doesn't have any sort of hand motion controller, doesn't have built-in speakers, doesn't normally have passthrough (and even if added it wouldn't have dual camera vision). has worse FoV, and was not 6DOF, which is huge. Overall it's not like saying a Valve Index is just an overclocked Google Cardboard. Obviously that statement is _even more_ wrong, but both are still absurd comparisons.

Htc likes messing up

If it can take signal through cable there's no actual reason it cant work.

@@brettharrison837 Aight ok, Thanks Brett!

Right I don't know why he stuck so much on that point android devices can literally go sub 50$ it's not that big of a deal

If apple is 50 percent of the market for cell phones, that is a huge opportunity lost. They could do ios support in the future,

@@hellotheresunshine but only in US

@@notlNSIGHT its seriously not that big of a deal you're already buying over priced vr sunglasses, if you're going to complain about having to buy extra things to get the full experience (dongles, the pencil, chargers, etc) then why do you have an apple product to begin with?

Du auch hier?

@@luka_nicht na klar! VR Forever!

Willkommen Bruder dich findet man auch gefühlt wirklich in jedem video

Hey, I think you should keep an Open Mind.

Also das war jetzt unerwartet

Same

I think Lynx would be almost as compact if it weren't for the battery. It uses multi-channel optics which is presumably more efficient than a pancake design

I have used the Samsung A10 for years it's a fully capable smart phone for 50 brand new.

Yeah imagine if it was the other way round and only worked with iOS...

@@p3tro Yeah, I've got my S7 with a slight crack in the screen, I still use it when I travel or do other things that are perilous to a new phone with a huge screen... It still works just fine, even though it's about 5 years old.

@@akshobya303 like many car radios have USB ports but only support iphones...

@@notlNSIGHT except for the reason I stated in my comment. The App Store is very strictly regulated unlike the Play Store.

I feel like they literally could have gotten rid of the XR1 chip and the two cameras, embedded some vive sensors in there and make a bundle with vive wands and lighthouse sensors, sell it for 800 dollars I would actually consider buying it since I like to play active games and want a light headset. They were so close.

@@QuixoticPenguin + upgrade the display because 1.6k x 1.6k is not good enough. This is the exact sort of design PCVR needs.

@@QuixoticPenguin These barely clamp onto your face. They promote standing still, meditating, and laying down.

That defeats the purpose built "Mobility and Spontaneity" since you now have to be in a purpose built room for VR only.

@@gr1f1th you could easily just strap a elastic sunglass strap on the sides and it would be fine for regular vr usage.