Good evening lovelies - This video is coming a little later than planned after Mike was dealing with family stuff last week. In this video we'll be doing a deep dive into the recent Ultimate RWF drama in FF14 and the issue of addons - we've put this into context not only for FF players but also if you're playing other MMOs like WoW. And yes we're aware of the Gshade drama of course - Mike should be recording that tonight or in the morning so we'll have that up for you as well very soon. - Chris

Very cool apology. "We're very sorry, but it was actually these other players' fault we cheated and also you weren't supposed to find out :( "

As an old 80's gamer who had no choice but to dissect intentionally difficult games back when there was no internet or tools, I genuinely don't see the point of modding the balance of a game or outright cheating - with or without a competitive environment surrounding it. That's fine at a casual, harmless, offline game level - such as modding your offline RPG to speed things up or make it more fun for yourself - but not during any form of competition.

"We think everyone else is cheating, so we cheated." is not the thing to say when you get caught cheating.

You can't ask for harder content then complain it's too hard and go on to cheat to get world first

Yoshi P: Maybe it's a skill issue

The whole "it's Westerners creating third party tools and using them!" bit is hilarious. JP created most of the addons in FFXI that weren't supposed to be used. JP players created a lot of the tools and plugins used by FFXIV players. That was the most unbelievably BS copout excuse. Japan has always been rife with use of cheats, across all genres. That's not to denigrate them specifically. That happens everywhere. But one of them pretending to point at "the West" and say that they only cheated because westerners cheat is some Grade A bullcrap.

I can understand Yoshi-P stance what point is there if there ultimates changes into an plugin fiesta like in WOW might aswell not do them.

So the most obvious thing about unnamed's clear that is most daunting... is how far ahead of progress they were vs all other teams. People underplay the zoom hack but ignore the very obvious advantage it actually had.

High end raiders "the content is too easy" High end raiders *cheats to clear the content

Really appreciate Preach being a member of the FFXIV community to make these kind of videos.

Lmao i got a wow boosting ad

Chat bubbles certainly give an advantage. It could mean the difference between ERP with one or two catgirls at once. Anyway after the Gshade drama, it seems even the :harmless" tools are risk and Yoshi needs to put them in the game as soon as possible.

Would love to have Preach, Frosty, and the dev team meet to further the discussion on officiating the race.

8:54 Trios are NOT named as such because there are 3 mechanics happening at the same time. Often times it is many more than 3 things simultaneously, but the "trio" name comes from the original version of a mechanic when the boss goes away while you focus on a very hard mechanic - in the UCOB ultimate where every bahamut mechanic has the name "trio" because there are 3 main bosses in that encounter (twintania, nael, bahamut).

I love the ffxiv ultimates even if im too bad to do them myself, theyre so beautiful and epic and I enjoy watching the races. im 100% on yoshi-p's side and frosty. everyone should stream. I hope they keep making new ultimates and I hope this drama helps in preventing this from happening again. ive never seen more amazing mmo boss fights as the ultimate encounters(especially DSR) and i really dont want them to stop making them.

so small clarification since im a massive nerd but calling mechanics trios was first from The Unending Coil of Bahamut (UCOB), the first ultimate, and are called trios because in that fight there were segments in the 3rd phase where the boss would jump away after casting X trio (quickmarch trio, Heavensfall trio) where the boss would do a sort of mechanic vomit for the players to deal with so now any massive downtime phase that has multiple mechanics are now labeled trios on top of their cast names.

What a great video, thank you for explaining the full story so well. As a WoW player this is super interesting to learn. Looking forward to watching the Omega Protocol RWF!!

I’m so glad you mentioned the fact that the game is also on console- it feels like content creators almost always don’t consider how that affects topics like these

"my impression of FFXIV has significantly deteriorated... Because I got caught cheating and was called out on it." - _UNNAMED team member.

You are late, we already on an other drama preach, the Gshade drama😆

I took part in 1 shadowbringers ultimate months after it was done, and even with guides, dozens of pulls we still wiped numerous times. But was those wipes when we got the clear that made me feel like i was watching the final 3% of Arthas tick down. Same feeling, same vibe. No DPS meters for it, no nothing. Just weeks and weeks of practice, and failures to get a stupid cosmetic for my house. >

I mean Neverland did not stream this RWF so who knows if they used add-ons as well since they have in the past. That's the thing they are the "undisputed" best team that used add-ons before so it's not undisputed sadly. In the forums there's a several hundred page debate asking whether they need to add an anti cheat... And after the gshade drama it got even more traction

One of the best videos Preach (&Chris for that matter) has put out in recent memory - very informative for those not in the loop, thorough and well researched. Good job!

Yep, RWF competitors should 100% be streaming, if they want to go for that prestige. If you don't, there's nothing stopping you from playing off-stream and just having the same experience as anyone else. On a side note, it was really fucking lame that Unnamed tried to indirectly put the blame on western players when they finished two effing days ahead of anyone else. I don't personally care about damage meters as performance analysis tools, or other QoL stuff like chat bubbles. Hacking cameras and weak aura-style "follow the instructions" mods are very clearly taking it too far.

The fact that FFXIV devs test raids themselves is wild. Awesome. Wish Blizzard did that.

The most problematic statement was when Yoshi-P mused on the need to spend the amount of money and resources they do on creating ultimate content (that is asked for by some in the community), only for people to cheat to beat it. If this happens with the next Ultimate, then I can see them step away from making them.

I think what is either lost on people or just not mentioned enough, is that unlike WoW, FF14 is cross platform. Addons of any kind are unable to be used on the console versions. which is part of the main reason they are frowned upon. heck both of the Tanks in my static play on PS5 and we have had no issue clearing content. but I kind of understand the rationale with JPN teams, with the influx of western players from other games that take addons for granted, has seen a rise in addon development for FF14. o the flipside goin back to WoW raiding after being used to games like FF14 actually cheapened the experience for me. so I started raiding without addons. and it felt good until I was forced to install some as for some reason me not having any addons was messing up other raiders, as their addons could not talk to my character with out them letting them know if I had some fight effect etc.

I personally have no desire to ever participate in aworld first. I lack the skill and time to even attempt it. Those who do though, have my respect and admiration. I know you guys put in hours upon hours to achieve this goal. I find it insanely fascinating to watch. The abilities and skills that these world first racers brings to bare is quite honestly, mind boggling. Keep up the good work you special few! It's sad that the small few that cheat always seem to ruin things for those who legitimately go about doing this. It's a slap in the face to all the world first racers. And the excuses they bring after getting caught is always self serving and hilarious. We "though" the westerners were doing it so we did it to... What an excuse, what a joke! It is extremely satisfying to watch those few that do cheat, get caught and shamed into oblivion though!

The way WOW is designed with addons in mind and how it affects raid difgiculty was actually one of the main reasons why I stopped playing the game. It's not fun for me to kill a boss that has 5 BS mechanics that are INTENDED to be solved with addons and are extremely challenging without such tools. It's just not fun.

Cracks me up how most high up players in most games cry about a lack of content but as soon as they get more content they cheat to do it

Used to do endgame raiding in FFXIV. Was so disgusted at the amount of cheating that actually happens. Its supposed absence was what got me involved in the first place, and when looking for a static, it was a RARITY to find any that didn't have atleast one or two players that were running cheats in the form of addons that were solving mechanics for them live (they would then relay said information to the rest of the static, if anyone else wasn't also cheating). VERY happy to see that Square's been stepping up and taking action on these guys. Ruins the scene when people cheat.

Great coverage. I side with Yoshi-P's sentiments regarding the world first races and Ultimate. I am nowhere near good enough to even consider trying out one, but I appreciate the spectacle of the competition watching highly skilled and coordinated players compete for prestige. I do wonder why there was so much hesitancy to take the actions Frosty only recently implemented. With the rise in concern over add-ons, it just makes sense to take the logical step and keep the system you helped to create safe from that level of ire. I don't use any myself and don't actively promote anything, I still feel sorry for the players themselves for feeling pressured into doing something like that knowing the potential risks.

A bit of history. The community stance against addons hasn't always been as harsh as it is now, at least on the western side. It has gotten more harsh as dev response has gotten more harsh. Before the DSR fiasco, it was common to STREAM with addons, which naturally makes your ToS violation obvious, but punishment for this was basically unheard of. Before this it was just accepted that as long as you weren't doing anything TOO egregious then even combat addons were fair game. The Ultimate before DSR (TEA), the world first clear also had an addon controversy. The world first team used an addon to automatically move waymarks during combat, something which at the time would normally need to be done manually. In response to this, the devs changed the game so that waymarks could not be moved during combat, but the world first team was not punished in any way. However the incident stirred up a bit of bad blood, particularly on the Japanese community side who are MUCH more anti-addon than the west (Japan doesn't have WoW so addon culture in MMOs has never been trained into them). That controversy fired up again when the world first clear video for DSR had addon usage on clear display (remember, before this, streams and videos with addons in full view was normal, so the clear team, or at least the uploader, didn't even think they were doing anything clandestine), again mostly on the Japanese side, which lead to the big response from Yoshi. Only since then has the idea of addons being a complete no-no in raiding become common. However addon usage is easy to hide, and among those in the know, use of addons that would be considered egregious by the community has LONG been common among top raid groups, to the point that it is considered normal in that scene. These latest controversies are not isolated incidents, they are just revealing an open secret to the broader playerbase. While their excuse is a copout, UNNAMED_ are right about one thing which is that western groups ARE using this shit. The only difference is that it doesn't leak. The question going forward is what is going to be the standard for legitimacy in the eyes of the community.

RED IS DEFAMATION.. RED,... IS DEFAMATION.

11:35 one of greatest things I've ever seen

The issue is, Japanese players were calling us Western players cheaters, and they stand on their hill claiming they don't cheat. Then their group got caught cheating and now they know they can't use that excuse anymore, so they are upset at the people who cheated.

I like the overall message he gave "if you can't beat it without 3rd party tools, it's a skill issue. git gud" unlike WoW they actually play their own game to see if it can be done.

As a hardcore ff14 raider... i have to say wow mythic raiding is more difficult than ultimates in ff :) most of the mechanics are static so you can learn them and they stay the same, no rng or what so ever :D

Thanks, that explained things very clearly, I was wondering why it was such a big deal.

Been happening for years, happened with TEA too. But for some reason people defend Sfia and the TEA "world first" group who obviously cheated by having a program automatically place waymarkers for each mechanic. This was actually removed from the game after TEA because the devs saw it as too easy to abuse.

11:50 This is what scares me the most about add-ons being normalized for boss encounters. I hated being forced to use mods in WoW against my will; if I didn't use mods, I couldn't raid. That I was allowed to learn and figure out mechanics for myself or with a group of people and get that satisfaction from doing so was such a breath of fresh air in FFXIV. When a mechanic finally clicks and you never fail it again is such a good feeling. And then you improve your timing and rotation with your newfound knowledge. I got ahead of the curve achievements in WoW raids without understanding any of the mechanics I was doing. If I asked the raid leader a question about a fight, the answer was to just follow DBM.

Absolutely great video. Well done sir.

I still have a hard time coming to terms with living in a timeline where that FFXIV billboard exists.

Some corrections, mostly not important (someone feel free to correct me back if I made any mistakes): 1. Trios are a catch-all term for the types of huge downtime mechanics that often occur in Ultimates, we call them trios because in UCOB the mechanics were named Blackfire Trio, Quickmarch Trio, etc. There's nothing particularly special about the number 3 as it applies to other fights. This is the same for why we sometimes use Dynamo/Chariot for In/Outs, etc, Proteans for clock spread beams, etc. 2. The leaked video of the zoom hack was in the second to last phase of the fight, and is actually a wipe, it wasn't a clear VOD. 3. Dragonsong's Reprise, not Reprisal :P that's a tank CD. 4. In the leaked video, the zoom hack wasn't really 'replacing communication', the mechanic in question/the fight in general doesn't really require it, its more about not having to rotate your camera around to get info from the sides of the arena and being able to see every tell at once. Same general spirit as what was said. 5. Comparing the difference between world 1st and 2nd in Savage vs Ultimate is dubious. Savage lasts about a day, Ultimate has been lasting a bit less than a week the last 2 tiers. It is feasible to have a group significantly far ahead in Ultimate ( I think in DSR there was a 2 day difference between 1st and 2nd as well?), before even accounting for the classic Paid Time-Off Enrage that hits many groups after World First has been claimed. The time difference here probably shouldn't be considered evidence of cheating. More than likely UNNAMED played amazing AND cheated, which is part of why its such a sad thing to see. 6. MogTalk is the definitive 3rd party coverage of the RWF in FF, but for people that don't watch the race, Frosty not recognizing non-streamed kills isn't the end-all-be-all. A lot of raiders are just watching logs for updates and will recognize the WF as first to kill, regardless of streamed or not, and Square Enix itself historically tweets out the first kill regardless of whether or not its streamed. That being said, WF raiders, even in groups that traditionally don't stream prog (Sfia) think there's a decent chance streaming becomes the norm, though some others (Sindalf) don't necessarily want that to be the case and hope Frosty changes his mind. It's an interesting open question that we'll learn more about next race.

Addon acceptance in MMOs is the weirdest thing to me, especially when it comes to competitive scenes like WF races. I can't think of any other multiplayer game genre that allows the use of 3rd party tools because...duh. Another thing i don't see mentioned much around FF's 3rd party tool policy is the fact that console players play FF too. They shouldn't be put in a position where they're not competitively viable because of the platform they play on.

A side note about fflogs showing groups progress. The only way to see your progress there is by using ACT which is also a not allowed 3rd party tool. So technically everyone showing prog there are breaking TOS too 😂

preach's come long ways since the days of watching ffxiv raids blind and trying to figure out what was going on

Great video, very informative. This is also why I dislike WoW gameplay with the mandatory addons required in any late game content.

I completely understand where Yoshi-P is coming from. If I spent months of my life putting untold amount of hours and love into making something like the Ultimate raids, just to found out that people don't even care about figuring it out and just use addons that tells them how what to do, I would lose all motivation to continue any further.

A lot of great info, thank you

Thank you Mike, for lending your credible voice to the topic. Solid video. People will always cheat. Always. The burden will be on dev teams to continue to find ways to lock things down. or not, and the whole race thing, fades.

It's such a shame how much scandal there has been around recent rtwf events in Ffxiv, I'd love to see these events be popular, but the consistency of cheating is so disappointing, especially to see that it's going towards a direction of maybe losing out on this type of high end content for the game as a whole. My only complaint is that with dps checks being as stupidly tight as they were in TOP there is literally no way the devs can expect people not to be using damage meters in some form, and while I get why they don't want to add them for harassment, it would help close the door on cummunity accepted addons to integrate one.

While streaming isn't 100% proof, it does give far better tools to find even other players using tools as now you can see exactly what they're doing and can piece it together with what they should know. If for instance you see the streamer consistently failing a mechanic due to execution, but all the other players are reacting significantly faster and not failing that same mechanic, that a good sign they're probably using some kind of aid while the streamer isn't. It isn't conclusive but it raises the suspicion levels and makes it that much harder to hide. Enough of this and it becomes counter productive to use the aids as your attempts to hide it actually are hurting you in your progress.

i played both games and fully agree with the No 3rd Party tools, even if it is just a damage meter. damage meters can be a curse. even if every raidmember performed at 100%, one is going to be number 1 and another last. and it will become very... very toxic on the lower levels.

Yoshi P clears all content before it's released. Imagine where games would be if all lead devs took that approach...

I wish to god combat addons were banned in Wow and the game was balanced around that.

So the excuse they use is everyone else was using them so they had to. But based on the time to kill, if even one other team had people using these addons wouldn't they have killed it in at least a somewhat similar time? Maybe at least within 24 hours? It would seem that most of the people involved in the world first race seemed to stay true to the no addon rule. Or at the very least no addon that makes the fight easier for them. Which I gotta be honest, its kind of refreshing to hear. It makes me think that these players do respect not just the other competitors, but also the developers and yoshi p. People asked for harder content and the developers went out of their way to create it to make those people happy. If you're just going to use addons to then make it easier, then whats the point? Just go back to doing savage and extremes because clearly you're not good enough to do ultimate. And that is totally fine. If you're reaching your limit in extreme or savage then just do extreme or savage. Nobody is going to care if you're not doing ultimates.

I actually got used to playing an mmo without chat bubbles, even after over 15 years of WoW and Rift. I do wish, though, that Square would implement some of the "lesser harm 3rd party" stuff you'd find around - like indeed chat bubbles with a toggle option, or maybe the ability to chain macros (for us crafters) or have more than 15 lines per slot. Simple quality of life stuff, nothing cheaty. And I even got used to play an mmo without addons like DBM or weakauras. Some HUD tweaks and actual paying attention what the boss is doing, paired with a "long" gcd which gives you time to breathe and think about your next move and you won't miss them ever again. Because yes, the boss fights in FFXIV are fun and challenging when you won't have a babysitter holding your hand and leading the way.

ah classic japan companies, "your having fun with content we made? well we are banning you or sending you a lawsuit/dmca into oblivion"

My thought on rtwf requiring streaming is this: The people who can do this content WILL do this content. You may have a bench sitter watching another team's prog and pass along strats to the active players, but ultimately, they're going to be running this content and executing it. It may give an edge to have someone sharing other team strats, but how do they know you're not currently using them? If everyone streams, it levels the field. :( disappointing that addon culture has gotten his pervasive.

Its crazy that people want cheat at optional content that was made to be challenging for the most hardcore players, just for [clout?]. It's sad I dont really keep up theses world firsts, I just see clips and go like thats cool...i will never do that cause I dont have time or i never be able keep up with it.

One big argument for FF14's teams not streaming is because a big part of the complexity comes from figuring out the strategy, not the execution. So if you stream the strategy, the other teams can copy it with little effort. WoW's complexity comes from execution. You can't just copy a strategy and make it work, you need to be good enough to do it. FF14 doesn't provide that level of complexity in execution.

Fun down to earth fact: Asmongold bought a carry to Gladiator. Money/Gold bypassed the skill required to earn the title, and yet no one sees it as cheating.

A few of comments/addenda: 1. As other people have said, a "trio" is just when the boss goes untargetable and then you get a ton of mechanics vomited at you. They are named after the corresponding mechanics in the first Ultimate, UCoB, which are literally called "trios". 2. The leaked video showed a portion of the penultimate phase of the fight and not it's final moments. 3. A two-day lead in an Ultimate is not unheard of. The world first for the Ultimate before DSR (TEA) also got the clear two days before the world second. Addons were involved there too (as well as controversy), but it didn't help them solve the main wall of the fight which was a hidden puzzle mechanic which required solving the penultimate phase in a very specific way, otherwise the final phase is impossible. In my opinion, while addon usage IS unethical and DOES give an advantage, I don't think it accounts for a two-day discrepancy in progress in this case (particularly as it is likely that Neverland was also using addons). 4. I personally think that the difficulty of balancing and testing content with addons in mind is not really a factor in why the FF devs do not want to allow addon usage. It's not just "we don't want the game to become WoW". Rather, because the game is on consoles, allowing addons would make the game fundamentally unfair for a significant portion of the players. It's one thing for addons to be mandatory, its another for them to be mandatory when some players literally cannot install them. Additionally, addons are outside SE's direct control. If SE says addons are allowed, how responsible does that make them for the content of addons? We've just seen with Gshade that addons are potentially a powderkeg of drama and abuse, and it is perfectly understandable that SE would not want to directly endorse something which could easily get out of hand and become a PR or legal issue.

Hey look ! It's Xenosys Vex at @11:35!

Such a good informative video

I dont think that the Ultimate testers cleared TOP without using devtools. Lots of small bugs in it that killed runs even when the players did the mechanics correctly.

Best thing to come out of this debacle were definitely the memes. Still, I hope this doesn't discourage the devs from making harder content. Yoshi-P just can't catch a break.

Good video Preach. Nice work.

4:12 Who would have guessed the very next drama was going to be the GShade referenced in the video...

What's interesting is right after this addon news gshader added more fuel to why FFXIV will NEVER say they allow add-ons.

There is money in this now, many of these teams are professional players. That's going to lead to a lot more cheating than there used to be. Any team going for world first should have to live stream the entire try, every time, or they do not get credit when they succeed. They should have to prove they didn't cheat. It's sad but here we are.

Very good breakdown of the situation. As a comfortable casual I'll probably never do this level of content but I can appreciate those who do. I would just like to add that the offenders in this have completely lost the plot. They made the race about themselves, not the game.

some of those memes you scrolled by so quickly were absolutely hilarious

8:16 Can see where the rules are coming from. At the same time, "The intentionally bad camera is part of the difficulty design and its limitation will be enforced.". Oof.

Wow! I genuinely can appreciate how well researched and thought out this video was. Not long ago you gave XIV a try and now you've really become one of the better content creators for this game, already following your legacy as one of the best WoW content creators. Really enjoyed watching this, thought everything was spot on! ❤

Great video Preach. A very good overview informed by first hand knowledge of MMO RWF. I am 100% on board with the idea that WF is awarded only to teams that stream. Hidden kills creat far too much ambiguity. You can still hide mute coms for strategy discussion. This is common even in WoW RWF. To be clear, I dont really care if someone ends up getting a clear with the help of third party addons. I think its pretty mental to go around the hub areas wondering if someone truly EARNED their weapons and titles in the same way I have. However, the RWF is a specific event that should conform to a set of enforced rules; and third party addon restrictions are at the top of the list.

Yeah no they don't extensively test ultimates. The test team gets checkpoints so they don't actually beat the fights legit, which is what leads to all the issue's in this ultimate. They do it 1 phase at a time.

So if a tool for better fov isn’t allowed, is all widescreen support also banned? Because those 2 things have similar effect and hardware advantage seems worse for me, compared to a tool everyone can get.

This content is made to be difficult so difficult a majority of the community will never complete it. Cheating devalues the achievement, devalues the competition and devalues the purpose of this content. Their is no point in making difficult content which people say FF needs more of if it's plainly obvious a good portion of that high end niche cheat.

Yoshi P. being disappointed is the part that hurts me the most.

I had been playing on a 26:9 which definitely made thordan way easier for me to identify safe spots for certain mechs. Now I play on a 32:9 samsung oddysey g9. I guarantee I can identify mechanics way easier and faster than everyone else.

3 months later this zoom hack is now part of a mechanic. It's hilarious

I wish WoW would move in this direction to be honest.

Players: "We want difficult content" Devs: "Okay here you go" Players: "Time to get an addon to make it completely brain dead and easy!"

WoW doesn't really have a race to world first, we all know liquid is going to get to the final boss first then choke and lose to Echo.

Im not so sure if Neverland are recognized as the world first for omega either; I believe they were confirmed to be cheating again like they did in DSR. Same with the team that cleared third i believe ( i think they were the ones that had a confirmed cased of triple weaving without clipping which if uk anything about this game is impossible outside of third party tools). Its for that reason, and the fact they didnt stream either that I consider Kindred to be true world first as i believe they were the first streaming team to have cleared ToP

I think the word "shame" should be used when describing careless behavior. A murderer isn't "shamed" into a prison sentence. Getting caught cheating will cause negative consequences 99% of the time. It just makes it sound like what they did wasn't bad enough for people to be mad. You get caught, you get called out. If anything they "shamed" themselves into deleting their accounts.

It's kind of funny they claimed the kill 2 days ahead of anyone else without realizing how suspicious that looks.

It's really simple... follow the rules. I don't see how it's hard? Follow. The. Rules.

It is not true that rewards are purely cosmetic. The New Ultimate drops a 635 weapon(same as current highest) but with an additional melding socket.

What kind of BS is going on eh got to Level 60 then a Block on leveling and email telling me that my Sub ends middle March !! and also telling me to buy the expansions them I can play more and level up from 60 to ??

In WoW, if you are using an ultrawide monitor your FOV is way way wider. Is it the same in FF14?

Speaking as someone who's at perfect alexander enrage (triple legend soon lets gooo) I can absolutely say with certainty zoom hacks would make that phase laughably easy. It's so annoying to see the safespot in fate calibration alpha because you've got this dumptruck of a boss taking up 90% of your view and you need to see the two clones on the wall and which one flaps.... or you can look at the lasers, but I prefer looking at the wings lol. It's so disappointing people feel the need to use external tools like that... maybe I'm an outlier but the fights are GENUINELY some of the most fun I've had in the game - I will literally join fresh prog groups for UCOB and UWU just to teach people, because I want them to experience some of the coolest fights in the game. Yeah they're punishing, but I'm a firm believer that anyone can do an ultimate, they've just gotta be willing to try. Like... I started savage raiding in 6.1 and then jumped into UCOB and now I'm almost of a triple legend and then it's working on DSR when I can be assed. Anyone can do it, and it's a lot of fun!

All in all, if the team is not streaming their prog. It's too easy to simply assume they are cheating. Because time and time again has shown that to be the case anyway, sadly. The good thing from all this drama, might be going ahead, only official clears will be recognized by teams who all stream their progress, WHOLE TEAM. Because it only takes one member to use the "hacks", to use said information from it, to be utilized by the rest "legit" members.

Its a relatively big drama but man the memes are amazing 😂 the Zoolander and Mulan ones made me crack a smile.

Ultimate Alexander is probably the hardest raid I have ever done back when I played FFXIV.

Doing raids in WoW feel pretty bad when you know you are effectively cheating with add-ons like DBM.

ToS: No addons People getting mad and leaving FF14 because someone being punished using addons. this doesn't sit right with me. I mean just leave and stop raiding if that upset you that someone being punished for breaking the ToS. Real raiders know this is a better raiding environment, less Add ons supporter, more fair gameplay, more skill and brain.