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I would be shocked if the LRASM missiles couldn't communicate with each other and at the very least assign an equal number of missiles to each ship to spread out the damage. You would also think it would be possible for F-35 pilots to assign targets to the LRASM as they neared the fleet.

There are reports out there that the crew of the Moskva was using ADS-B to monitor air traffic as their equipment was so unreliable. These type of scenarios are fun but something tells me you could safely take 50% of advertised capability off the top in a real engagement. Another great vid as usual!

It's funny because the setup for this scenario is the exact opposite of what would be done in reality. SEAD with stealth platforms and standoff munitions reducing or eliminating enemy air defence, then allow fourth gen fighters and ground attack aircraft to enter the theater. F-16's wouldn't be sent headlong into certain death against known SAM positions.

I think a full stealth attack would have been noticed way later, so they would scramble way later

I think in such a strike a lot of decoys and at least some bombers would be involved to consume as many defense missile as possible and overwhelm their defenses more easily. Also i think F-15s and Eurofighters would be used rather than F-16 due to their range (they were missing their fuel tanks as well so It wasnt surprising seeing them running out so early). Lastly i guess using vsn f 16 also messed with the ai and a Sead Escort would certainly be used

There was absolutely no point to the non stealth escorts, all it did was alert the Russians to their presence, if stealth AShM planes are used then stealth escorts would be used. I find it hilarious that you think a NATO air force would just sacrifice it's aircraft and pilots for no tactical gain.

When you see those two planes in a Grim Reapers video, you know this is gonna be epic.

Loving your work Cap. Appreciate the effort it takes to create this content.

I am always amazed when I discuss fighters on defence forums how many 'experts' aren't aware how short legged these aircraft are. DCS demonstrates this well.

Brilliant video as always cap! The amount of effort that goes into your videos is truly amazing, from the research, finding the nearest thing in game, setting it up, trial runs, editing, the knowledge you have is insane

Excellent work as always guys. Just a thought, USAF would also combine SEAD with this type of major operation. No way we'd send F-16s in a pure cannon fodder.

Like others mention, I'd really like to see some attempt to simulate the use of air decoys. If DCS does not have those, could the answer be as simple as using real aircraft since the decoys themselves simulate aircraft?

With the available media sources that I've been able to find, Russia has between 7 & 12 ships left in their Black Sea Fleet. Twelve ships being the Russian number given.

It would be interesting to see how a combined ADM-160C MALD-J and AGM-88G HARM-ER Strike would work in this senario. I think a modernised compliment of Air to Ground Munitions roster (other than your wonderful JSSM/LRASM work) would go a long way to aiding GR in these 2020's simulations. Either way, I really appreciate the hard work that goes into these. Cheers, Cap!

To help simulate a better deconfliction try splitting the anti-ship force into multiple blobs coming in on different vectors. A blob coming from the NW will choose different ships compared to a blob coming from the SW. Or at least we could expect less duplication.

Hey Cap, I know it’s a lot of work great effort. Can I make a couple suggestions? I agree the Raptors should go in 20 miles ahead of the Vipers. I also think some Eagles should’ve been used to carry additional bar missiles to support the Raptors. Would a wild weasel mission be effective in the operation as well? Perhaps try using the Vipers to get in the SAM net, wait for a missile to be fired, the turn cold and go back out range. I think in conjunction with the wild weasel you’ll be able to use up the S400 SAMs with fewer losses to USAF. With the S400s used up it then allows for the Vipers and Eagle EX to get in and support the Raptors in achieving air dominance especially if pulling all Russian resources to the north while the Lighting anti ship comes from the west. Perhaps after the Lightings have fired the LRASMs then squadrons of Eagle E and Vipers with the laser guided bombs at medium altitude can cleanup what the anti ships leave behind. Thanks again.

Stealth air superiority configurations as a forward skirmish line to remove the majority of air to air threat, once ordinance depleted withdraw and have F16s with jamming capabilities for a wild weasel line to deplete enemy ordnance, LRASM delivery platforms then should be within range to deploy.

300k subs!!! Congrats! Love watching you guys play. I'd love to have a set-up to play DCS, but alas, I've already got too many toys. . . ;)

Hey cap... Excellent work as always! But I think it's time you start to do more integrated warfare, have both airforce and naval assets of a country working together.... I know that this will be twice as hard and would require a lot more planning ..... But this type of integrated warfare is the future of warfare and I think it's also the content for the future of this channel.... All the best🥰😍

Pre-battle comment (the US could annihilate them for all I know, but my points stand). 1. Any USAF attack would use the USAF bomber force (B-2/B-1B/B-52 outside of the threat range or behind fighter cover) and keep most/all F-35s in full stealth as it is one of the critical advantages on the battlefield. I'm guessing they would use F-35 in stealth and then use F-15/F-16/F-22 for additional fighter cover, F-16 for SEAD and wild wease;. and then F-15E to carry additional anti-ship missiles if needed (to compliment the bomber squadron). This is my best guess. 2. What was the concept behind Russian ships having radar that is apparently (per the description/introduction) the best in DCS and able to detect stealth missiles better than Chinese/US ships? The US is currently in the process of deploying the new SPY-6 AESA radar on Flight III Burkes and multiple Flight IIA Burkes have been selected for retrofitting the new radar onto them. But despite this new radar, I'm fairly certain Russia doesn't have a more powerful or more effective radar than the US/China/most NATO countries. I love the scenario of course. However, this feels a little bit like the Russians were artficially inflated to make the battle more interesting. I'm all for that if this is true to some extent, but I'd rather just be told that if that's indeed the case. Please note this is the internet, and I type alll of this with a smile and my arms wide open for a hug. This is not hatred, just feedback and my opinion. Thank you as always Cap and Co!

Thanks for all the long hours Cap and for the GR's for putting on such a great show!!!! Love the commitment and work you all do!!!

Just discovered your channel and loving it! Keep up the good work!

Why wouldn’t you do a full stealth attack? The F-16s telegraph that something is coming. With a full stealth attack they would have a huge surprise advantage

the SU-35 is a very capable fighter, no wonder iran was willing to supply thousands of drones and missiles to Russia for just 24 SU-35(and some helicopters and air defense systems), great video as always cap.

Love your vids cap they make me smile to see how well people can create missions for dcs :)

I think that you didn't even give the 16s Tanks, that's why they ran out of fuel so fast

But remember.... if the Black Sea Fleets flagship had so many non functioning systems that it couldn't defend itself, everything else in the BSF is absolutely in as bad, or worse shape. That is to say, in reality, the BSF probably couldn't defend itself against anything. Edit: Also note that multiple S-400's failed, repeatedly, to defend Russian air bases and naval bases in Crimea - as well as completely failing to protect Russian bases actually in Russia.

Awesome awesome awesome work! Love these battles! Just a friendly suggestion, maybe try these missions like the military would and not lose any air frames? Especially the stealths. Keep up the great work guys!

Another fun and exciting battle. - Another thing you can do to make it realistic is include some Wild Weasels/HARM attacks. I would expect that to be one of the first tactic happening at the beginning of an Air Campaign.

Would love to see a flight of F-15 E’s come in after the LOASMs just to finish off the stragglers. Long time watcher/subscriber. Love the content Cap. Cheers

When you are looking at the scoreboard in terms of economic cost - don't forget the "relative comparison" in cost for Russia and the US. The US GDP was $25 trillion and the Russian GDP was $1.79 trillion. Then there is replacement cost and time. The US replacement cost is higher - but the Russian replacement time may be infinite.

Just attack during a rainstom you could do with half the missiles!

Great job on all the detail Cap! Awesome job on the same reapers!

In real life, the S-400s would have been prioritized for a SEAD mission by a B-2. The LRASMs would have been dropped by a flight of B-1s, but under cover of a Patriot battery on the Romanian coast, and the LRASMs would have been escorted to within a few dozen miles of the fleet by F-22s. A bunch of joint strike missiles, carried internally by F-35s, could have also encouraged the Fleet to expend much of its defensive ordinance before the main event arrives.

Simba, the people's champ 🏆 💪

excited for the future of grim reapers and the campaign mode idea sounds great!!

I would love to see this again but swap the 16s with 15s or something capable of carrying the American decoy missiles and send those in a couple staggered waves to soak up a lot of the initial S400 and Su-35 missiles. All in all a fantastic video🎉

The Official Simba Fan Club (TOSFC) all cheered when the F-35's launched. The taste of blood was palpable from the fight to the north - lots of brave pilots - including the Peoples Champion SIMBA! Excellent flying from the GR team and really loved the idea they had a proper fight against more enemies! Valued viewers these large combined arms engagements are complicated in F10 view but require a special mindset to be able to actually fly, fight and win in the virtual cockpit. 10/10 would watch simba dodge and smash felons all day.

It’d be interesting to see if the whole uk fleet can defend against a massive attack from Russian fleet and air assets w defending air assets to boot and all, it’d be interesting

Why wasn’t Ukraines Sam net taken into account? Just out of curiosity this has SU35’s flying over Odessa. When that entire coast is littered with Manpads and S300 and BUk

I enjoyed that. Thanks GR.

I found this one very interesting and fun. Cool. I loved the strategic aspect.

Love your videos. Love hearing you guys talk. Love yall

No tactics was involved. 1) Decoys could be used to distract the initial launches of R-77s. This would deplete them well. 2) F-22s could attack from various directions.

Noticed all the F16s just seemed to throw out their entire missile stock at the first 3-4 migs, each mig seemed to have 15+ amraams aimed at it. If the F16s had used thier missiles better they might have actually done something in the fight rather than just overkilling the lead formation of migs then dying fast.

Congrats on 300k!!!

Very optimistic of you to assume Russia can gather enough vodka to get one whole fleet actually running.

really nice work there cap. just love the boom boom. just a thought.. can you mod the program so when a ship is hit and killed, it is removed from the screen?? that way maybe some deconfliction issues may be reduced.

I need to jump back on to get in on these missions. They look hella fun

I love watching you guys learn how to run a sim. Looking forward to the next version when programming is more lifelike.

Cap, First off. Great Video, I always love the one's that involve the ships like this. I was wondering though while watching, How many Potential human lives would be lost from the ships being destroyed like that. Is there some way you can program that into you counting script to get an idea?

Love these big battles! Would it be possible to integrate a SEAD element (TALDs perhaps) and give the F-16s tanks?

Some suggestions for improvements: 1) Delete the F-16s from the attack. It was a good idea, but all it seemed to achieve was making the Russians scramble sooner. The F-35, even with external stores, has a much smaller RCS than an F-16. They would have been detected much later and caused the Russians to scramble later. 2) Send the F-22s in well ahead of the anti-ship force. In full stealth mode, they could easily penetrate to within AIM-120D range of the Russian bases without being detected. Then when the Russian fighters scramble, the F-22s can pick them off as they are taking off. 3) The B-21 is not in service yet, but the B-2 is, and it can carry LRASMs. It's not as stealthy as an F-22 or an F-35 in full stealth mode, but it's definitely stealthy enough to get to LRASM range without being picked up on radar. You'd also need fewer planes, since each B-2 can carry a lot more LRASMs than an F-35. 4) Would it be possible to stagger the waves of LRASMs more, so the ships have time to sink before the next wave comes in? You might need to use fewer missiles that way to get around the deconfliction problems.

One thing you could do to mitigate the issues with the LRASM missiles deconflicting is have some kind of large target like a carrier that’s set to be invincible but not able to defend itself that acts as the “fleet” in the eyes of the missiles but you place the fleet itself around the carrier and have them operate as they normally would. You then count the hits on your invincible aircraft carrier and apply that to the fleet as destroyed vessels. This of course assumes the LRASM in real life would be able to distinguish a dead ship from a fighting ship. Could be a nice work around for future projects

3:47 literally having a stroke listening to your reactions of what is happening in the battlespace😂🤣

Tactical suggestion: put the Raptors right behind a reduced number of Vipers. Vipers attract SU-35s like a lure; SU-35s bite; Raptors reel them in before they know they’re there.

An F15ex or two, somewhat behind the F35s to defend would have been helpful as that is what they are designed for. Or behind the F22s using the stealth to find targets and fire from out of range.

Some general combat tactics would make that attack better. You basically attacked from *one* vector. If the F-16s were only meant as cannon fodder, why not throw them from one or two more angles to draw the fighter cover away from the side that you are actually attacking from?

Read about 30 comments. I agree the F-16s might have best been used as Wild Weasels, with the f-22s sitting in ambush waiting to jump the S-35s as they pursued the F-16s. Not sure about the range of the F-35s with 4 x 1500 lb. missiles strapped outside, but I do know it would qualify as stealth anymore. I wonder what the range (performance) of the LRASMs are when launched at sea level. And I hope that IRL these $3,000,000 missiles are better able to prioritize and differentiate between targets. If so, the Russian losses in this scenario might have doubled. We have seen before them choosing a cruiser or DD over a within eyesight carrier as well as having seen them hit multiple times on the same sinking target. This would absolutely be worth revisiting with a Grim Reapers tactic change. I know there's only so much you can do with the mods - really appreciate all yous guys efforts !

I like to break into people's houses at night and nibble their toes for a few minutes, then leave as silently as I came. I'm up to around 4 houses per night and I'm extra sneaky. Cheers.

Interesting, that should mean that Type 055 and the SPY-6 should be able to detect lrasm at similar ranges then.

First. Use decoys to draw off the fighters and use up their fuel and missiles. Second. Fire decoys at the fleet to used up their missiles. Fire LRASM missiles from three different aspects. (North, West, and South) for maximum kills. No planner would send on all the weapons from one direction.

You should do this battle again, I really enjoyed it a lot

To be fair, the US would use cruise missiles to destroy the SAM sites before the fast movers even attempted a break through.

It would be interesting to see how different this would be with a Patriot system stationed as far as close to the coast as you could (according to front lines). Likewise, run this with AIM260s as they're supposed to be in service this year. Also you said a B1 got rushed - perhaps run a diversion strike on a different vector to pull the fighters out of position? I know you're a bit restricted with approach routes though, so maybe not feasible. I'd like to see this run again though with your revised F22 positioning, a Patriot site as close to the coast as you think you could get it and AIM260s, think of it as a Q3 2023 operation when all these should be in place.

It felt like you were on the verge of having a panic attack but with joy throughout the video, you seemed to get way to excited and forgot what you were saying :D

This was wildly entertaining!

Excellent scenario! Just wonder if the fighter screen arrived closer to the time that the F35's were in range. The fighters were so early that they were almost completely wiped out before the F35's reached their launch point

I think one thing was missing if you were basing this on current events. The Ukrainians should have had at least one S300 battery around Odessa to help cover the F-16s and F-35s. It may have made the difference in efficiency overall. Other than that, a really interesting setup and execution.

Hearing CAP hyperventilate almost as epic as the battle itself. Well done boys and girls.

Raptor pilot in turl voice: While you were learning how to STEALTH YOUR PLANES >I< was taught to darksouls dodgeroll!

What happened to using drones as missile targets? I remember you and Kortana doing that vs the S400.

watching, thanks gents. vvvvv

That was so much fun to watch.

LRASM can differentiate sunk targets for live targets, I believe they have on board computers that can tell by sight (based on image in memory) and on IR, is a ship on fire they move on to another ship in their target list that is not on fire. I believe the latest model Harpoons can too, along with the latest US, UK, French, Russian and Chinese anti-ship missiles. But the system has its limitations and can be effected by enough jamming, like most missiles.

Really like that cost of war box at the top right!

If you want to properly simulate the black sea fleet, you should disable half their systems due to maintenance issues just like the Moskva

"Black Sea fleet is a very nasty adversary". That didn't age well. =]

I wonder if adding an Awacs to the south and replacing the F16s with F15EXs would make a difference? Great Video keep up the awesome work!

The content which really hooked me to this channel was the star wars stuff. I thought it was so great to see Earth factions taking on the Galactic Empire.

Great job Cap as usual - lots of work put into this. I don't know how possible it is in-game, but in real life there would be a SEAD element to suppress those S-400s. That would change the equation massively in favor of the good guys

I find this an interesting thought experiment on how much more potent a threat russia would be at sea if they were better at actually having a navy. The readiness of the fleet and its relavent combat ability (including detection ability for incoming attack) is highly enhanced in this scenario if the reported condition (from a Russian readiness report mind you!) of the Black Sea Fleet flagship was any indication before she was sunk. This assumes maximum readiness and maintenance that the Russian navy has shown a quite frankly criminal lack of.

"...sacrifice F16s..." . I guess you forgot that the USAF has a sacrifice platform called MALD. Or in the case of DCS TALD. Mix in some AGM-88 closely followed by the fighter sweep and they can ignore the SA-400. I tried a similar scenario and the SA-400 ignored everything till the MALDs were dead.

I like all the coordination involved with setting these up. The F-16s would never go in before the Raptors, they were basically missile fodder.

Isn't this why we would take out the SAM net with a barrage of cruise missiles first?

Writing deconfliction would be trivial, and especially so if there is any post launch update or communication between missiles. Dealing with ECW on the other hand...

Cap should work as a sportcommentator. This is like watching a sportgame. Great commentary!

"Silas, don't tell your mother." Posts it on KZfaq Jimmy, we love you 😂

All the human pilot feedback is awesome

Great work Grim Reapers. I hear the EA=18 Growlers can do excellent jamming and I was wondering if these could be included in carrier air assaults. Also in carrier group air attacks, could the B-21 augment the assault?

A couple things are missing from this namely that given the presence of sam batteries decoy and jamming drone swarms would be deployed first followed by the f-16s (potentially at a much lower altitude to try and minimize their exposure over the horizon). B-(5)2s or rapid dragon equipped cargo planes would also likely participate in this attack. The resources brought to bear are not commensurate with the exercise.

You forgot to load the Pantzirs on everything that has a deck :)

They dont have patriots yet but if the us was doing this ukraine would be moving s300 and other anti air in to screen for the us as well as providing screen with fighters to buy the stealth more time.

I note the absence of ground to air missile defence coming out of Ukraine. No small number of the Russian SU-35's would have been shot down before reaching landfall I rather think.

Love watching these, thank you!! What’s up simba!! Lol!

Great stuff as always, very interesting. I'm just left wondering if your cost calculations include the monetary value of personnel? Obviously there's a huge amount of money spent on training a pilot to fly an F35, maybe not so much is spent on a Mig pilot, certainly not a speedboat pilot! As I say, just wondering, would be interesting to know. Keep those wings pointing in opposite directions! Cheers.

When tracking costs are you counting unspent ordinance that goes down with the planes or ships that carried them?

I'd like to see this scenario run again with B-21s, as they would be much less visible to L-band and would have been detected much later.

Lol, that air battle was straight out of Independence Day where they all get massacred.