Humankind: Fun Game. Flawed Genre

Humankind: Fun Game. Flawed Genre | Spice8Rack

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- Chapters -
00:00 - Introduction
05:15 - How Humankind Develops on the Civ Formula
13:28 - How Humankind Doesn't quite get Development Right
19:15 - How Human Society Develops
24:39 - How 4x Games Struggle to Convey This
32:30 - The "New World" Wasn't Unihabited You F*cking Settlers
36:32 - Some Kind Words for 4x Games & Humankind
37:53 - Conclusion
42:21 - Credits
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@Spice8Rack 2 жыл бұрын

I hope you liked the video! What's your favourite historical strategy game? Don't forget you can get 20% OFF + Free International Shipping + 2 Free Gifts with code "SPICE8RACK" at mnscpd.com/Spice8Rack

@ILikePi31415926535 2 жыл бұрын

Favorite Historical Strategy Game is definitely CKII. I love the Medieval time period and the game itself is such a good story generator.

@felixmortem1177 2 жыл бұрын

I now know of an EU4 playing Neo-Communist and an EU4 playing Neo-Fascist, this is the weirdest possible timeline

@zacharysain8516 2 жыл бұрын

Total war rome 2 is the best historical strategy game ever

@hellogoodbye7628 2 жыл бұрын

Have you looked at the dev diaries for Victoria 3? At least from what has been revealed so far it looks like the the grand strategy game I always hoped Paradox would make.

@andrewgreenwood9068 2 жыл бұрын

I love crusader Kings.

@AhNoWiC 2 жыл бұрын

This channel has such a unique vibe to it. Love the blend of social issues, gaming, sketch comedy and philosophy.

@Spice8Rack 2 жыл бұрын

What a lovely thing to say

@jessiewronski5011 2 жыл бұрын

It’s like MTG Mtg Bo Burnham

@Twizzid255 2 жыл бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree, its rapidly become probably my favorite channel

@BREAKERisDEAD 2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Thank you for being smart enough to say what I feel

@blade6321 2 жыл бұрын

How to tell someone is far down the grand strategy/4x rabbit hole: Switches to "CK3 and "EU4" with no prior explanation in the middle of the script. I see you.

@zacharysain8516 2 жыл бұрын

We love spice doing other content than magic, we love spice doing magic content, we love spice doing content, we love spice doing, we love spice, we love, WE, w,

@Spice8Rack 2 жыл бұрын

Bless you xxx

@warben8503 2 жыл бұрын

@nathanl8622 2 жыл бұрын

The existence of a revolution mechanic at all is just the funniest thing to me. You the omniscient god-king press the big red "go do a riot" button and overthrow all the government while still maintaining absolute authority over everything. The implications of that are... probably not great.

@D00mnukem 2 жыл бұрын

That's ludonarrative dissonance for ya...

@KingBobXVI 2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, controlled/captured opposition :P

@Greenman-io7pr 2 жыл бұрын

Revolution! Against who? Me! Lead by who? Me!

@VexylObby 2 жыл бұрын

I guess we don't play the game then? lol What I mean is that it is okay to have the player take the role of a manager of a civ, but also control things that don't have a controller in IRL.

@MatthewOstergren Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've always sort of imagined that the player is the collective consciousness of the civilization you're controlling. It's always kind of weird for sure.

@AndrewFullerton 2 жыл бұрын

These games always seem to go one of two ways for me: Paris Commune where I try to make a peaceful utopia only to get rolled by a military power, or a Soviet Union where I get stuck in an arms race and gradually fall away from my initial ideals.

@InsanityPlea100 2 жыл бұрын

Always a lovely day when the Spicey Boy goes on a 40min rant at my face...

@Spice8Rack 2 жыл бұрын

I do it all for you

@albertoparolin7170 2 жыл бұрын

never gonna play a civ game, still listened to a madman rambling for an hour about them. great content, 10/10

@Spice8Rack 2 жыл бұрын

Bless your heart

@SDM-Zone 2 жыл бұрын

418.6 hours in EU4. Damn its great to see a content creator who plays the games I like but doesn't base their entire channel around it. I don't know what fancy mathematical example I can give but I played EU 4 for 1837.6 hours. I bought the buggy piece of shit on launch tho so thats like, fine for a game released in 2013. 230 hours per year is fineee.

@Spice8Rack 2 жыл бұрын

Lmao I feel like a noob for having

@MogFlintlock 2 жыл бұрын

In many ways, I think the Civ style 4X games that start with the dawn of man and end twenty minutes into the future have some of those flaws baked into them just from the scale they exist on. There's so many variables to account for that something's going to end up incredibly simplified. And it's made doubly weird when the game needs to end with a singular winner (whether that's one player or a team of them). Unless your opponents are actively making mistakes, any action they perform is one that's going to move them closer towards their win condition which is also your 'lose' condition. You can't let this otherwise peaceful and friendly medieval nation remain unmolested, if you do, they'll be elected eternal ruler of the world by the UN, or conquer the universe by being the first country to launch a rocket into space in six centuries!

@greywolf7577 2 жыл бұрын

Well, you could invade the other country, or you could just build up your civilization so that it produces science faster than them and gets to Alpha Centauri first. The modern Civ games end as soon as you launch the rocket, but I think early Civ games had it so that if one team launched the rocket to Alpha Centauri, you could build a rocket with stronger propellants and launch it later than them, but still make it to Alpha Centauri first and still win due to the fact that your rocket was better built.

@returningwhisper 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly excited to see Spice talk about other games too.

@FluffyHeretic 2 жыл бұрын

"And I'm pretty sure her computer still runs Windows VISTA" Laughs but in a depressed way because the computers where I work unironically really do still run Vista

@justicewilliams8095 2 жыл бұрын

When my parents ask me what I want to do with my life at almost twenty years old, how do I convey to them that to develop your balance of intellectualism and comedy is the thing I strive most for? I literally want to be you but female.

@notachannel447 2 жыл бұрын

There was a good MOD for CIV4 that when your CIV becames too big, come citys start ask for independecy, If you give to them, they became a new "vassal" civ. If not they start rebelle and some citys became a new civilization.

@bucktootha 2 жыл бұрын

Always love a bit of marxist dialectical analysis in my videogame video essays I knew you were based I sens'd it Also a great game that actually portrays historical materialism in its game design is Victoria 2, and to a much greater degree, the upcoming Victoria 3. VIC3 will simulate the relationship between workers and owners and will let you zoom into the production process in each "factory building" on each province. The VIC series has always used Population units to simulate how some people in your society have access to luxury goods and others can barely afford food, and it assigns a "radicalism" value to them based on this and other factors including racial or ethnic discrimination, which if you play badly (or well, if you're intentionally trying to instigate a regime change) will eventually bubble up into a revolution.

@davidsooley3345 2 жыл бұрын

I love that i am not the only one who feels mildly conflicted about loving the imperialism simulators

@Spice8Rack 2 жыл бұрын

Nah me too

@davidsooley3345 2 жыл бұрын

@@Spice8Rack thanks for mentioning the residential schools in Canada btw. We are in fact today observing our first national truth and reconciliation day on the subject. I really appreciated it

@SomeYouTubeTraveler 2 жыл бұрын

It's no different from loving Crime games or War games. GTA and CoD and any other game that involves wanton murder sprees takes the same suspension of morality that an Imperialism sim does.

@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart 2 жыл бұрын

@@SomeKZfaqTraveler The problem is when the games take an acritical view towards imperialism, and the worst sections of the game's fanbase feels in their right to defend their actions. CoD is also flawed for the same reasons.

@vxxiii4160 2 жыл бұрын

I mean, in Civ you can play as the Aztecs or any Mesoamerican empire versus Spain and colonize the shit out of them by late game if your science input is bigger. Remember that before anything else, this is just a simulation and a game. I too felt guilty in GTA V after torturing the shit out of that guy, but nothing compares as killing Cutie in It Takes Two. At least if you feel guilty about doing bad shit in games it means you have a good conscience.

@MarcelineKeedle 2 жыл бұрын

As soon as I saw that sinister slide through the doorframe accompanied by three sharp knocks, I knew this was going to be a delectable 40 minutes of Spice

@crazebear 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been playing this game recently too. I watch you for the magic stuff, but hey, cool to see you branching out!

@Spice8Rack 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it! It's rather scary branching out but I'm glad to do it

@AvalonisHere 2 жыл бұрын

@@Spice8Rack No matter where you go, the ride or die spice fans like myself will go with you.

@m.d.9277 2 жыл бұрын

wasn't expecting non magic content from you like ever but to be frank I think I'm going to enjoy this take

@Spice8Rack 2 жыл бұрын

I hope you do!

@m.d.9277 2 жыл бұрын

@@Spice8Rack I absolutely do and I could not agree more that it is bullshit that civ V didn't come with religion, had the game for a little less than a decade now, first time playing it with religion a month ago and I still feel cheated

@gabrielsilbert1144 2 жыл бұрын

I’d like to see a 4x game that frames the player as evil. Think like Darkest Dungeon or Papers Please where you know that what your character is doing is clearly morally wrong, but the way the game works incentives you to do it anyway.

@casanovafunkenstein5090 2 жыл бұрын

I think that Crusader Kings goes a fair way into that idea, and to a lesser extent Frostpunk. Both focus the objective on maintaining the power structure that benefits you, though I think Frostpunk should do more to criticize the idea that your settlement needs a hierarchical structure of governance under a dictator in order to survive the weather conditions. I know it's meant to be a grim tone but creating a game in which society is guaranteed to collapse entirely if you don't make regular use of extreme political violence is definitely questionable. I think Crusader Kings gets away with it a bit better because you're subject to being taken out by the other sociopaths that make up the world's aristocracies in an attempt to take away your authority and property and your character is born into that environment, as opposed to founding an independent city state from scratch with no regular contact from the outside world.

@undine120 Жыл бұрын

Alpha Centauri certainly delves deeper into this than just about any of the others I've seen.

@andresarancio6696 2 жыл бұрын

A couple of ideas I've had over the years to deal with these issues with 4X games. - I always found the idea of a civ moving down a strict line of technological, economical and social development to be kind of... insincere. Societies do not magically come to understand how a technology works by existing and having a bunch of people dedicated to researching it, at least not to the scope 4X games present themselves. That's why I personally like the idea of technologies requiring specific resources (you don't discover, say, horses AFTER you got an use for them, you NEED them to discover horse riding). And the other alternative way of getting said technologies would be through interaction with a different society/civilization/culture. This would avoid the weird scenario of a civilization being stuck in the Bronze age when another one is building space stations. Large, global scale civilizations tend to feed from each other and take technology from each other. - Another thing I usually feel is kind of missing the point is how science develops cultural technologies the same way as more material ones. Rather I would like to see cultural technologies being developed in rapid bursts of social revolution. It would give this idea of a smart ruler thinking ahead on how to slowly make change for more socially sound cultural changes or face an angry population, but both push society forward one way or another. - Finally, kind of heresy to say, but I don't really like how cultures are stuck in a box on how they work and behave. Instead I would much rather the civilization gains specific bonuses as it develops and that UNLOCKS the aesthetic and cultural version of the new civ. Say, if you gain the bonuses the Romans, Celts, Normands, etc you eventually become English, or something closer to it. While I know it kind of goes against the core idea of 4X games, I dunno, I think it would be cool to have some sort of "alternative history sandbox" that is less about funny imperialistic roman empire conquering space and more about how does a specific society develop over time by interacting with others

@SladePate 2 жыл бұрын

Holy shit non MTG content? Nice

@Spice8Rack 2 жыл бұрын

Ayy, glad that that's the reaction haha

@GogglesAreAwsome 2 жыл бұрын

One feature of civ 6 I really liked was the tech bonuses that could be gained by performing certain actions e.g. found a city on a coast gave a bonus to sailing, as this meant your development was governed by your environment and circumstances rather than being just something you choose. You could still develop nuclear subs as a landlocked nation but it would take longer and require more effort on your part.

@DropDeadDullahan 2 жыл бұрын

I always love the sheer quality you strive to put into your videos. taking to time mid vid to get the proper pronunciation of "Zhou" earned the like for this video. I know this is an older video but seriously looking forward to everything you do.

@Spice8Rack 2 жыл бұрын

Aww thank you. It means a lot that people do come and check this video out. It's honestly one of the ones I'm most proud of

@jakeprager2366 2 жыл бұрын

Only a few minutes in and this video is great! I'd love to see you cover other historical strategy games in the future; my eu4 gameplay is currently greatly lacking in leftist theory.

@Spice8Rack 2 жыл бұрын

Oh just you wait a few extra minutes ;)

@jakeprager2366 2 жыл бұрын

@@Spice8Rack Again, loving the video so far, especially the segment on colonialism. I personally am really excited for Victoria 3, given it seems to, at least somewhat, address some of some of the issues that plague the genre; the game is getting rid of the idea of 'uncolonized' land, actually models and shows the price that warfare and mass killing has on a population, and has a fucking dedicated system for an economy based solely on worker co-ops. Not to mention my econ nerd brain releasing dopamine whenever I see a graph with supply and demand written on it. Throw in a detailed pop system in which cultural and religious minorities are actually modelled, and have an impact on your gameplay, and I'm really looking forward to what the game has to offer. I guess my point is that I am extremely excited to turn Japan into an island chain of freely associating communes, before crashing the entire global economy by producing too much luxury furniture.

@nicksnrub7265 2 жыл бұрын

I been hearing a lot of Columbo references on the internets lately.

@MackJCM 2 жыл бұрын

Hey look at this guy noticing stuff he's a regular Columbo

@ShawnWilliams314 2 жыл бұрын

"I don't want to take one of the things I do to unwind from making content and make it content." "Hello, Spicy People of the Internet!" God if this isn't ever the moodiest mood. That's basically how I started drawing. And writing three books. And making videos. And probably seven other projects coming to a tweet ignored by everyone soon.

@nickpflug9429 2 жыл бұрын

Genuinely loved this change of pace. I came to your stuff through Magic, but am staying for the humor, philosophy, and politic.

@Flashgen75 2 жыл бұрын

I know it's taken me a while to get to watching it, but what a fantastic video, Spice. I think you do a great job of talking about the pitfalls of historical strategy games in expressing the human experience and how societies develop, and I'd never really considered how the "conquer and expand" goals of most of those games lean towards more imperial views of what socities exist to do. Definitely gonna come back and rewatch this one a few times, I think.

@Stonewren 2 жыл бұрын

This video was INCREDIBLE thank you so much!

@TheGeniziz 2 жыл бұрын

I always love how you take a (fairly) simple concept and then put me on a well thought out journey will give me more knowledge and perspective of the world, and also provide me with further resources to expand upon that knowledge if I wish to do so. I don't always watch your videoes. But when I do, I always enjoy them.

@blade6321 2 жыл бұрын

Revolutionary kongo? That sounds like a sick run tbh, I'll put it on the eu4 bucket list

@Spice8Rack 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly it was such a trip!

@jaredgibson6624 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know what I expected when I saw a 4x game and hammer and sickle flag in the thumbnail, but historical materialism and a critique of western hegemony was great.

@MRDLT00 2 жыл бұрын

Man having Spice talking about Civilization and Humankind has me wondering if he's ever looked into the Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri game. How each of the playable factions in that game focus only different philosophies instead of nations might be of interest to him.

@captainflapjax7240 2 жыл бұрын

So...after 2 years of watching Spice, do I get an Associate's degree in Poli-Sci?

@LexYeen 2 жыл бұрын

I think that's a four-year.

@iandegiovani4703 2 жыл бұрын

Always good to see someone making materialism more accessible

@davidgetman5188 2 жыл бұрын

I think this is one of the main reasons I enjoy endless legend so much. It isn’t even that the fantasy allows you to get out of these trappings but each factions mechanics are so distinct AND they get storylines through the greater game

@theopreston8507 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, would love to see more like this in the future! Edit: I just noticed you had pictures of horses in the background during the credits, your energy is unmatched

@ukaszgolon5617 2 жыл бұрын

There's a game of this genre in development called BOC (Birth of Civilization) that's supposed to go a bit further and assign a culture to your nation based on your playstyle or something, in addition to other similarly ambitious goals like dynamic climate simulation.

@xrayvsns5976 2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah! I sunk years into Alpha Centauri.

@aurtosebaelheim5942 2 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see a game like this guide the development of individual cities based on the conditions they experience, putting pressure on the civilization to change to accommodate them else they revolt and change culture to one more suitable. If your nation is experiencing conflicting pressures then you may be forced to appease one part while losing the rest (or just let revolution sweep the nation and pick up the pieces). While at war, you could have a pacifist movement in your troop-producing cities while the cities using rare resources push you to be more expansionist for example. I think you'd probably need a Stellaris-style population system for this though, where each pop has a core ethic (influenced by environment and policy) and pops are tracked as they move between nations, so your hypothetical Britain could arise from the mish-mash of cultures left in a place that repeatedly changed ownership. It would also be cool to see a 4x game where there was no victory condition, just a score at the end based primarily on global happiness and standard of living with total population and environmental preservation coming in close second and total global deaths detracting from the score. Have the 'win condition' encourage you to make the world a better place, not just boost your own country (while prioritising diplomatic solutions, you'd be better off investing in foreign countries than invading them and raising standard of living that way). Sure, you could still play to paint the map your colour, but the primary goal would be surviving the eventual climate disaster and chasing a high score.

@Bimblewort 2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely adored this one, and it really confirms I'd be down to listen to literally any content you put out there

@sagelwi09 2 жыл бұрын

I struggle to convey just how much up my alley this video is, love your content.

@Lady_Kitsune09 2 жыл бұрын

This video is awesome. I absolutely love the breakdown of the genre, as well as the history lesson contained within. Thank you for this.

@TheGlactic 2 жыл бұрын

Wtf, I can't believe I missed this video when it came out a week ago. Awesome content as always. Hope you liberate Cornwall soon.

@Rincewindl 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a big fan of the studio behind Humankind. Very excited for Endless Dungeon.

@FelixDaleth 2 жыл бұрын

I have a feeling you would really enjoy Victoria 2. It's all about how social structure of a nation (occupation, education), its current laws and well-being shape national politics. It feels very organic in the way ideologies develop in a nation reacting directly to material conditions, education, current laws and technological level. And also in the way tall play is possible. Small Prussia or united Scandinavia outperforming behemoths like Russia or Ottoman Empire doesn't feel gimmicky. The game has its quirks and rough edges, yet still I believe it's a one of a kind experience and a true gem. Fingers crossed for Vicky 3.

@seanmcloughlin5983 2 жыл бұрын

I agree but I think he’d probably have a hernia pop if he played Victoria 2 because playing tall in that game, you usually need to get African or Asian colonies to boost your industry and prestige, if you don’t you simply don’t have the resources to compete with the big boys.

@BradleyRose 2 жыл бұрын

Watching this HELLA rocked, and I'm glad your nan gives you reason to talk about Civ in an accessible manner because I've never played a 4X game! Thx for the gravy.

@Honkwaddle 2 жыл бұрын

Phenomenal commentary, good Sir Spice. ❤ I am so on board for more video essays on political/philosophical analysis of games beyond MTG.

@Quarter_Turn 2 жыл бұрын

This is so much more than a game review. Fantastic video!

@user-wo5dm8ci1g 2 жыл бұрын

There is a very complex and difficult to fill hole in games I think that exists: It is that of the true RP based non-competitive civilization builder. On one side, I play the best storytelling 4X games like Stellaris or the HOI4 mod Kaiserreich, which really push for flexibility, roleplay, simulating complex internal and external events, etc. But however much they add scripted and randomized events, interacting systems, interesting custom sandboxy goals, etc, they are still limited by a need for competitive balance and resolving conflict primarily through inevitable military force. On another side, I play builder or community simulator games like City Skylines, Banished, Surviving Mars, Rimworld etc. These have far more interesting internal mechanics and a massive randomized storytelling potential, but often are too limited in scope to explore societal ideas, or rely on starting from an uninhabited state to lessen the focus on inter-societal interactions. And finally, there is games like Star Control 2, which capture a fascinating but tiny slice of what could be, as a small humanity navigates a complex political web of potential friends and enemies to make their way in the universe. Its not even really close to the others, but has a certain feel that makes it more about exploring and building friendship and the like that I wish could be captured in a larger and more robust way. ... anyway good video, and I hope a lot of Humankind's basic mechanical issues get ironed out with the DLCs that all Paradox games are inevitably drowning in.

@AndrewS-vu4ji 2 жыл бұрын

Dang it, now I have another game subgenre to want to make a be-all end-all game for but ultimately never have enough motivation to get started on.

@SplinteredLimb 2 жыл бұрын

Oh my god you have me rolling in my car before work how do you manage to be so consistently and perpetually hilarious yet equally gripping?!

@AbenZin1 2 жыл бұрын

Ooo, you should totally play Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri.

@AutumnReel4444 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe the "win condition" should just be "Look back at your history. See what your people have achieved." and perhaps could include a flavorful big picture exploration of your playthrough

@greywolf7577 2 жыл бұрын

Too touchy feely. People want goals to achieve.

@darthnius809 2 жыл бұрын

You are at least my second favourite channel discussing media just to end up ranting about the woes of capitalism I really love this video genre.

@TheArkAng3L 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Spice, love the new take on these kinda games

@Chickennuggetsbd 2 жыл бұрын

Rewatching this video and commenting to help boost it's numbers, it's really good and I'm sorry it's not doing as well as you hoped

@Occatuul 2 жыл бұрын

Dog with sunglasses was the best part! 👍

@thisbymaster 2 жыл бұрын

This brings up many good points. I really think the key to opening up these games would be realise that culture and society are not static and the path they are on are part environmental and part internal. It makes no sense that a culture develops submarines when they have never seen the ocean. The very idea of "choosing" a culture instead of just slowly gaining different ideas and technology which is then labeled a culture later make more sense. Which is why I thought the skyrim character building system made so much sense. The skills I have are the things I practice and work on. It make no sense to have mastery of magic when you have never cast a single spell. Development of society is much the same, the trials and solutions define the culture not meaningless labels. Culture should be developed based on available resources and events in the history of a culture matched with a choice on focuses on which of those it wants. Also

@linsonas 2 жыл бұрын

I love everything you make, Spice. Keep it up!

@barofsoap8098 2 жыл бұрын

I haven't played a civ game before, so thanks for explaining!

@jigley9higley 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe the next generation of alt-history games will be sandbox simulation games without wincons. I'd love to play something like that.

@karlholde6901 2 жыл бұрын

When i play Civ 6 i like to roleplay as 1 of 12 immortal god-kings. Each trying to sate their own ego by trying to win a millenial old attempt at world domination against his brothers and sisters. It explains why your character lives forever, why your empire abitrarily has a preffered playstyle from the start.

@gornothdragnbone5898 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome vid! Hope this gets the numbers it deserves

@renaryuuguu1406 2 жыл бұрын

The requirement of a "winner" is prolly one of my annoyances in civ games. I kinda just wanna play it as a sandboxy ant farm game where i expand and build stuff, but the requirement of a winner obviously forces certain mechanics and directions. The limited dialogue and sometime arbitrary mood of other civs is also annoying how I feel like i have to walk around eggshells when doing anything or every other civ suddenly hates me for the next million years. The scale of civ 5 also bothers me because cities feel larger and smaller than they should be. The idea of being only a single tile away from the coast locks all access away from the water is incredibly odd.

@greywolf7577 2 жыл бұрын

As long as you can keep playing after a civilization "wins", you could just ignore the win conditions and play how ever you wanted to.

@prithvirajburman3333 2 жыл бұрын

Yes YES YES spice is not just man who talks about children's card game but a man who talks about WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS WHEN HE WANTS

@Snocone333 2 жыл бұрын

Felt bad only just getting to this video! I haven't played the game, but i've watched my friends play it a lot! I never have the time for 4x!

@keylometers6342 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly Spice, you could talk about any game and I would be here for it! I love your analysis

@Methus3lah Жыл бұрын

I think that to be truly resonant, a 4X game would have to lean into the fact that you (the player) are an irredeemable monster exploiting the people and resources of the world for your own ends. Like, lean into being a merciless immortal god-emperor. Imagine a 4X game where your entire stated goal is to obtain godhood through one of many dreadful means

@Taeerom 2 жыл бұрын

As far as I remember, VIctoria II, from Paradox, have used marxist (as in the academic tradition, not the political movement) historiography as basis for a lot of the game. It is still a 4x game and imperialism simulator, but how can it not be when the time period is defined by the scramble for africa and industrialisation. In Vic, you get to really dig into the people as, well, people. There is class struggle, economics, revolutions that develop sort of organically (you don't choose to become communist, you try to provoke a communist uprising and lose to the rebels, as an example). Victoria 2 is a great game to play, and it becomes much better if you do not play it as a map-painting game. Starting as France and painting the map blue is no different than what you described in this video. But starting as Japan, and playing through the inherent conflict between industrialization and tradition within the country, while staving off foreign influence, is great. Not everything in the game is good. There are obvious faults in it, but I think it is one of the better ones when it comes to understanding of history beyond mere facts.

@noahmorris1015 2 жыл бұрын

absolutely won my subscription, phenomenal video!!

@freshjori 2 жыл бұрын

Just 327 hours in Civ V? Rookie numbers! Edit: Also love the video so far.

@okanut 2 жыл бұрын

This looks fun! Cool that you're branching out!

@Teifling 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know why, but this video reminded me of how when Italy tried to take their share of Africa, they ended up with Ethiopia. The Italians came baring Christianity only to find out the Kingdom of Ethiopia had been devout Christians long before it was cool, and could hold their borders pretty tightly. It's little random things in History like Ethiopia being a Christian nation before the Renaissance that make me think these kind of games need to have some oddball options with real impact on game play. Nothing on Earth is linear, human kind develops in strange ways, and there's totally different ways of growing than knocking down your neighbor's door and raiding their kitchen.

@natahliazaring5291 2 жыл бұрын

So I kinda whet my teeth in a wider video game scope with CivIII and the early internet. I was massively into the modding community for it, and it probably taught me more about coding and art than any of my classes ever really did. But one of the cool things that a lot of mods attempted back then was seriously exploring the space of what would variations on the formula look like, and taking baby steps in a lot of these directions (though obviously there was a pretty hard limit on how far that could be done based on what the game itself and it's engine were setup to do).

@Agonzo216 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I really needed that picture of a dog wearing sunglasses

@DrXmas 2 жыл бұрын

It is a bit odd that changing in government systems in some Civ games triggered a so-called "revolution" that started and ended with the same guy being in complete charge.

@theroadtoequality2875 2 жыл бұрын

when "Settlers" is quoted during a media review of a video game i know I'm in the right room

@cpnCarnage666 2 жыл бұрын

caught me out of left field and whew am i here for it

@wumpmas2 2 жыл бұрын

big fan of the explanations of basic mechanics, as ive never played a civ game and just came for the dialectics

@TheAwesomeCarlos1 2 жыл бұрын

lovely video brother! This is a genre i love deeply and seeing you analyzie it and also share a love with it was a very nice time!

@Owesomasaurus 2 жыл бұрын

I think Civ is best thought of as an *emulation* and not a *simulation.* It is fundamentally a war game, with historical themes and trappings, and treating it as an educational tool leads to some odd conclusions

@Scaeo4ds 2 жыл бұрын

I cackled at an alarming volume when that image of the royal family with Philip crossed out appeared, spice does this imply you have a hitlist on them? are you responsible for our beloved Philipy's demise?

@MAJMarxism 2 жыл бұрын

Who else would have given him thst McDonald's sprite

@VioletSadi 2 жыл бұрын

Love your nail polish and courteous Nan time stamp

@torinwilliams4671 2 жыл бұрын

I genuinely think I could listen to you talk about any subject

@blorblin 2 жыл бұрын

Subbed cuz was enjoyable and chaotic! Masterpiece!!!

@thyetyeyryeretyery 2 жыл бұрын

Oh man, starting with the hamsic in the picture for the video? Ready for the ride

@leovalenzuela8368 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant. I wish someone would make a game where you win by making your people measurably happy.

@inzora38 2 жыл бұрын

I really love your video so I can't wait for the nex

@paxmeier915 2 жыл бұрын

When the kind Is human!

@Daver14X 2 жыл бұрын

thank you for changing the thumbnail i thought it was litterally about humanity, didnt know that was a game

@BasketOfPuppies642 2 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised that this video didn't do well; I enjoyed it enough that I'm watching it a second time.

@theodoreroosevelt3143 2 жыл бұрын

Civ 6 has this detail of units having different weapons and clothing depending on the civ.... English swordsmen has metal helmet and broadsword but Aztec swordsmen has jaguar head and rapier taken from the spanish

@starmanda88 2 жыл бұрын

So cool to see you branching out a bit. I would listen to you talk about literally anything so don’t be afraid to talk about what you’re interested in. We will be here.

@lukasdewit 2 жыл бұрын

This was the best manscaped ad-read ever

@arlopaden9794 2 жыл бұрын

i love this channel so much.

@josephjarosch8739 2 жыл бұрын

The 'New world' scenario in Humankind has happened *exactly* twice in recorded history that we can confirm. Greenland or Iceland (one of the two, I can not remember witch), had no-one living on it pre-Viking, and New Zealand (Aotearoa) was *probabally* devoid of people before the ancestors of the Maori arrived. Notice both of these are relatively small landmasses relatively far from anything else.

@greywolf7577 2 жыл бұрын

Well, originally all of the world outside Eastern Africa was the new world. It's just that humanoids spread across much of the world before recorded history so seeing the world as always inhabited seems normal to many people when it wasn't always so.

@jmannamj11 2 жыл бұрын

Oh FUCK yes it’s time for Spice8RackGaming™️

@shafeenmahmud8850 Жыл бұрын

Fun video, you should make more like this. On a related note: 500 hours in a 4x game like Civ or humankind is basically someone learning to play; so I chuckled when you pointed out your 100 or so hour CIv 6 playtime, which could very easily be equal to a single unfinished game ;)