Hungrybox vs. Armada - Melee's Fiercest Arms Race
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It's July 17th, 2016, and Melee is on the biggest stage in fighting games. Two players remain in the Evolution Melee bracket -- two players who had spent the past five years engaging in one of the craziest arms races Melee has ever seen, remaking the game in their own image in the process.
The greatest stories in Melee can come from the most innocuous of matches. Regardless of the era of Smash you started playing in, there exists a deep appreciation of how the game, its techniques, and its most fierce rivalries have evolved over the years.
And in this 10-part documentary series, I’ll be taking a deep dive into some of the sets that have been considered by many to be the greatest.
These are Melee’s Greatest Hits.
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@turndownforwalt 8 күн бұрын
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@SadToffee 8 күн бұрын
Fair argument for the greatest set of all time. I will say however, you have not seen me vs my friend, drunk out of our minds at 3am playing DK dittos.
@sluj9461 8 күн бұрын
💪🏿
@SadToffee 8 күн бұрын
@@sluj9461 lmao
@slyp4494 7 күн бұрын
lmao valid
@user-kh3jj4rx2v 5 күн бұрын
You know, he's got a point
@peteranatskiy7897 4 күн бұрын
im so happy this is a universal experience
@youraverageguy7842 8 күн бұрын
Walt’s in his Summoning Salt phase rn
@Sskipster 8 күн бұрын
definitely more of an overt SB Nation reference but yeah kinda
@samd9816 7 күн бұрын
summoning walt
@Alexander_Grant 7 күн бұрын
@@Sskipster Yeah, these types of videos aren't really Summoning Salt-like. I've gotten kind of tired of any sort of storytelling when it comes to video games being compared to Summoning Salt. Yeah, that dude is okay for speedrun history, but there's so many other greats on this website that do the storytelling thing better than him. I like these better than Summoning Salt for sure. EmpLemon has the greatest Smash video of all time, as well as the greatest video on this website in his Stanislav Petrov one. Jon Bois has incredible stories in his Pretty Good series, the ones he's doing on Patreon are incredible right now. Lemmino is another amazing one. I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but Summoning Salt had great videos back in the day, but everyone else has caught up to him and he's gotten stale. His videos are too formulaic at this point, while with channels like this there isn't that whole "I can tell what's coming next by the way he's wording things" that comes with watching a Summoning Salt video. Bismuth is even a better Summoning Salt at this point for me.
@jackenglish6470 7 күн бұрын
@@Alexander_Granthater pilled but you raise good points
@water0000 6 күн бұрын
@@Alexander_Grant lmao bro wrote an essay
@miasma1718 8 күн бұрын
i could listen to armada talk about melee history for hours
@h3ck774 8 күн бұрын
smiling raven is cursed af in a still image change it now
@Appletank8 6 күн бұрын
i thought it was an old Armada interview, but i guess Walt found time to call Armada down for a chat specifically for this series?
@turndownforwalt 5 күн бұрын
@@Appletank8 I actually shot this interview with Adam back in 2023 but never got around to using it for anything - I knew I eventually wanted to do a piece on his rivalry with Hbox so I’m glad he was so open to talking about it here! (The full interview is available on my Patreon btw)
@SSB_Seal 7 күн бұрын
God I love this series. Evo 2016 still has such a special place in my heart, being there in person, competing and watching top 8 in the arena was truly incredible. No other tournament that I've been to has had quite the same feeling.
@Bravenwolf22 8 күн бұрын
Thumbnail had me thinking this was False Swipe Gaming lol
@brzt4256 8 күн бұрын
Juan's reaction to the win, and especially his interview afterwards where he opens up about his father always, without fail, makes me tear up. What a guy.
@phil_matic 8 күн бұрын
That reaction was totally forced man. He has had a history of faking his reactions in order to get more attention. He has since reduced it when people started catching onto it.
@frozzle 8 күн бұрын
His interview about his biological father passing wasn’t after evo 2016, It was actually after Dreamhack 2015. would’ve been insane if they had lined up, but they were months apart
@strylon2277 8 күн бұрын
@@phil_maticHe does, but not this time His pop off at EVO was NOT planned and wasn't exagerrated, you just dont understand how hard it was for HBox to always place 2nd at EVO, to always be in the shadows of everyone else and to always lose to Armada And this set was just insanely stressful And he has NOT reduced it ? His pop offs are arguably bigger nowadays
@phil_matic 7 күн бұрын
@@strylon2277 I respectfully disagree. Perhaps it wasn't planned because there's a chance he could lose, but he knew if he was to win, he was going to be super dramatic with his reaction. He has beaten Armada prior to this at Dreamhack, it's not like he never was able to beat Armada. It's completely fabricated. I wouldn't say his pop offs are bigger because he stopped the whole fake crying routine
@flamo2666 6 күн бұрын
@@phil_matic As someone who tends to pop off after winning intense sets I just think you dont get it. It's completely impossible to entirely fake pop offs, you can ham them up more, but there has to be some genuine emotion to pull from. I mean, just look at IBDW's reverse pop off, pulling that pop off from nothing made him so lightheaded it he had to hold onto somebody to not fall over. I dont think you understand how much bad faith is required to think that hbox's pop off there was "entirely forced man", you just lack internet empathy and see people on your screen as targets to bring down.
@geremynunezortega7346 8 күн бұрын
I can´t wait for aMSa vs Mang0 at big house 10, we all know that set has to be in this series of the greatest sets
@normallyben 8 күн бұрын
happening to be on youtube as a walt video was uploaded is the best thing that will happen to me today
@LARAUJO_0 6 күн бұрын
Hello there
@NotYourFriend-YT 8 күн бұрын
It's genuinely incredible how long the old heads have been playing melee at this point Seeing baby hbox and armada give me the feels ... still shout "lfg!!!" seeing these games to this day
@trueblueryu5713 8 күн бұрын
Having a rivalry in a game series is a hell of a feeling. While leagues below them, I had a solid rivalry for a while ever since I started going to locals with another player in the region, and I think my time competing would’ve been a lot less enjoyable without that to push me.
@DesTr069 8 күн бұрын
HELL YEAH. This is the set that got me into spectating melee. Absolutely incredible gameplay
@MehIFied 8 күн бұрын
Immaculate video. Combines awesome narrative of the rivalry, first-hand accounts from the players, great technical analysis, wrapped up in a deliciously edited banger! I'll always hold their EVO set to be one of the best of melee's history and you really showcased why better than I'd ever be able to explain.
@blast_baja_ 8 күн бұрын
wake up, babe, new walt video just dropped
@FirstName-lg5hv 8 күн бұрын
What up sigma😏 Didn’t know you were here
@astres1362 8 күн бұрын
I don't know if I would say "forgotten"
@definitelydoctorproctor 8 күн бұрын
More like, “brought up in therapy”
@HenryZhaosTextbook 6 күн бұрын
There's no player I miss seeing compete more than Armada, and it feels so validating to watch you honor this era of Melee's history that captured my heart
@Landmasters 8 күн бұрын
it is funny, cause while Mango Vs Armada is undoubtedly THE Melee rivalry, in a lot of ways Armada and Hungrybox goes deeper -Armada getting brutalized by Puff at Apex 2010 -Armada picking up Young Link to counter Puff -Hbox struggling immensely with the matchup, only really getting a leg up in one set of Apex 2012 -Breaking out NESS to try and counter Armada at Aprex 2013, failing and falling back to Puff -Then breaking out a Falco and Fox to try and deal with it, while more successful they ultimately fail -Hbox finally conquering the matchup at Evo 2014 -Down 0-2 at Paragon Orlando, Armada elects to bring out his Fox as the new counter -Armada goes on a tear in 2015, winning 5/6 sets leading into Dreamhack -At Dreamhack Hbox brings Crunch to coach him for the FInals and obtains his first Supermajor since Apex 2010 -Coaching is then restricted in some fashion, but Hbox fires off the first half of 2016 to contend as best in the world -EVO 2016, nuff said, only for Hbox to fumble in the last half to finish 2nd to Armada -2017 starts off okay for Hbox, but Armada is looking unstoppable following his 2nd EVO win -Hungrybox proceeds to win a staggering five tournaments in a row to pry the No. 1 spot from Armada's fingers -Despite being in prime position to take the No. 1 spot, Armada elects to retire after Smashcon 2018 (This is a complicated one, as there's a decent argument that Armada's citation for no longer having fun was referring to dealing with Puff. I'm 50/50, cause the most anxiety I've seen of Armada on camera is when he just narrowly made Top 8 at EVO 2018 over Zain) Whereas Armada and Mango were about putting together some amazing sets and their battle of nations, Armada and Hbox feels more personal. This character I don't like, this person denies me my assured victory, they are relentless in figuring me out, describing it as an arms race is spot on
@NemesisCOD 7 күн бұрын
You missed Smash Summit 6. Armada beat Hbox and gave off the most emotional pop off I've ever seen him done. I really think once he proved to himself that he could best Hbox in 2018 there wasn't a whole lot of challenges left, and honestly who wants to fight Jigglypuff for every GF moving forwards...
@X0v3r 8 күн бұрын
that 2016-2018 run is legendary
@YoungSimbaFGC 8 күн бұрын
This is the set that really made me fall in love with melee in specific, and why I'm still around to this day. I love your videos so much Walt thank you
@asg8086 8 күн бұрын
This is my favourite Melee set of all time, I'm grateful that you decided to invest time and effort in this. Keep it up.
@FirePuff12 8 күн бұрын
Oooh Walt retelling this LETSGOO I can’t wait to see the YL storyline, the NESS vs YL, Paragon 2015 Fox debut, Evo 2016, GT-X, Smash n Splash 4 etc Edit: Closed at Evo 2016 but godamn that was beautiful Walt is so right, not just to the general Melee public but to me too, I’m such a huge Mango fan and always will be, but Melee’s got underappreciation for this rivalry and defense in general ❤️🔥
@Mekorio 7 күн бұрын
Incredible video, Summoning Walt
@FacadeVT 8 күн бұрын
it's gonna be a good day when walt posts another video, also some of the funniest sponsor readings ive seen
@kalarse 7 күн бұрын
"Welcome, to a moment in history" got me. Love the bits of Summoning Salt and Secret Base, fueled by Walt's and Walt's team's incredible editing and writing skills. God I've been loving this a lot! Also, it pains me that EVO 2016 was freaking 8 years ago :O
@grandpatrey 8 күн бұрын
you are at the forefront of preserving the history of this amazing game, and i'm thankful every time you post. appreciate you so much!
@JCfromJohto 2 күн бұрын
This is shedding serious new light into my favourite Melee sets because of the level of mindgames and miniscule decision-making Hbox and Armada needed to make. Each match uncovered new options and avenues for each and they both ran with it to the best of their abilities at the highest level
@RetroPokemonDepot 6 күн бұрын
This set will always be the absolute peak of Melee for me. I will never forget me and a bunch of friends gathering in a basement to watch Evo 2016 top 8. The sheer levels of hype and excitement we had throughout this match were unforgettable. This set may be the greatest level of competition I will ever have the honor of watching
@Cowboybebub 8 күн бұрын
Man what a rivarly. Thanks for the great video Walt!
@somniad 5 күн бұрын
these two are my favorite long-time top 10 players, and this video was incredible! I've always admired the way they try to pick each other apart, even though it's not the flashiest. the puff/fox matchup in particular is always so tense and explosive despite being lower on the crazy combos
@illusionSquared 7 күн бұрын
Really got to commend the quality of this series so far, awesome stuff
@wasamamaya2010 8 күн бұрын
These videos are awesome, thank you Walt
@TempRawr 5 күн бұрын
Always making such analytical and human stories. Thanks walt
@Shiradrenaline 6 күн бұрын
CRAZY that we're getting so much good stuff from you in such a short period of time. Big ups to everyone who contributed
@zazenbo 8 күн бұрын
I miss my wife
@array969 8 күн бұрын
I miss her too 😔
@Roller610 8 күн бұрын
We all do
@benJAMMIN634 8 күн бұрын
L
@XxKyle318xX 8 күн бұрын
She was a great lay 😢
@ProfessorBjorn 8 күн бұрын
Jett main in the making
@namechild 7 күн бұрын
Loving this new style! Keep it up Walt
@wampty8298 8 күн бұрын
ONE OF THE BEST SMASH VIDEOS EVER!!!!
@kevinguimond7711 8 күн бұрын
Wow. I already loved this Melee set, but this doc made me realize even more how this was so important and incredible.
@oui_chapeau Күн бұрын
still my favorite set ever as someone who watches and follow the scene since 2015
@bushidobrown9857 7 күн бұрын
As someone that is born and raised in las vegas, that is such a dope title shot location
@yomammasaurusrex9571 8 күн бұрын
Great stuff from the gang once again
@fastenysb 7 күн бұрын
walt just be on a crazy run, goated video
@XinfestedFalcon 8 күн бұрын
Love love love the style of video like SB does on the Deep Rewind of “moments in sports history” for this type of video, perfect subject to do it on.
@TheThirdPrice 8 күн бұрын
This was great, I hope it does really well!
@hopeiscute4772 6 күн бұрын
I love this video and it brought me back to watching a lot of these sets live back in the day. Though at the end when you said "and this is why this should be considered the greatest set of all time." My brain frame one was like "but did you see mango at royal flush though?" Thanks for all the great videos!
@brianlemos6487 7 күн бұрын
Glad to see a video on this, one of the most underrated sets in the conversation for greatest set of all time.
@DOOM-zw7tx 8 күн бұрын
I love this series so much
@boqk 8 күн бұрын
To date, this is still my favorite fighting game match ever
@ghostbaleada 8 күн бұрын
I love the illustration style of the thumbnail.
@nemezis_prime 7 күн бұрын
Bro, amazing video, keep it up❤
@beegmacc 8 күн бұрын
Thought I was watching an SB Nation/Secret Base rewinder video when I heard "Welcome to a moment in history." Great video as always Walt truly my goat
@jettbeems1919 8 күн бұрын
Good lord I love getting baked and watching your videos
@Materialist39 8 күн бұрын
This really was a great set and has aged extremely well with time.
@luismarioreyes7033 8 күн бұрын
I love EVO 2016 Melee Grand Finals
@patrickhamning1734 8 күн бұрын
I really appreciate that evo match even more now that I know all this back story
@nastynate1956 7 күн бұрын
i c ur editing style has improved a lot! using summoning salt music is unique/basseeeddd and what god tier youtubers do fsho 😎😎
@yotsuba_agi 8 күн бұрын
I just realized that this is like Rewind from Secret Base lol
@LEcarlosGD 7 күн бұрын
This is the best melee ever played period.
@matlit1859 8 күн бұрын
I still remember watching that set and talking about it in class the next day--finding out a bunch of people who watched other fighting games pay attention to Melee. Good times
@waulkingwithdinos4564 7 күн бұрын
Walt does it again. Amazing movie
@loveislife77 7 күн бұрын
@22:21 - this the moment hbox gained many fans. seeing that reaction of overcoming a major foe is priceless.
@donkylefernandez4680 4 күн бұрын
It still blows my mind to this day that the best Melee player in the world is a Tap-Jumper.
@penny1672 7 күн бұрын
what a beautiful video
@Jarekthegamingdragon 7 күн бұрын
The two sets that stand out above all others are this one, and zain vs mango at summit. Both insane sets, both have a back story to them, both incredibly important to melee's future.
@benoitmarcotte1104 8 күн бұрын
Haven't even watched the vid yet but why haven't more people talked about this!! Truly the most insane story and iconic set ever played
@grashoprsmith 8 күн бұрын
bros feeling these docs at this point. S Tier
@donkylefernandez4680 4 күн бұрын
We've seen HBox's heartrate go well over 120bpm nearly killing himself at 180. Standing up is literally a power play from HBox that Wizzrobe needs to adopt. Like taking your belt of at the buffet, players that have the Blackout Factor literally can't spare any blood in their bodies or they risk passing out from being unable to absorb oxygen.
@Rurrikk 8 күн бұрын
These videos are hype!!
@RyanMcLeanau 8 күн бұрын
Walt, this is THE BEST VIDEO YOU’VE EVER MADE! And that’s saying a lot because you have a lot of bangers. This is summoning salt quality. As a HBox fan in 2016 this is my favourite set of all time and this video does it justice. Keep it up.
@jimsface 7 күн бұрын
What’s cool about this is that they counterpicked down the tier list
@stellaanderson570 8 күн бұрын
FalseSwipeGaming type thumbnail? I’m so here for it
@camfratus8636 7 күн бұрын
You’re the man Walt! Woot woot!
@myb5558 7 күн бұрын
Im glad to see he still has the leather jacket. That thing is iconic
@alejogomez3496 2 күн бұрын
Im waiting patiently for an amsa video for this series, please
@spaceace9103 8 күн бұрын
Dustys thumbnails are always great
@kinanschannel6016 7 күн бұрын
The crazy part is the 17-18 Rivalry is just as good
@jordansmithson6411 8 күн бұрын
Fox puff is my favorite matchup! It's always so intense!
@a_little_flame589 7 күн бұрын
if there is such a set that is the greatest of all time it's this one if my friend is getting into melee this is one of the first sets I recommend it's just so exciting and interesting
@MrKing_MC 8 күн бұрын
It's not always the set itself, its the history behind it.
@humanperson001 5 күн бұрын
ad read went craaaaaaazy
@superspartan127 8 күн бұрын
"welcome to a moment in history" he said the thing!
@paracatuca2409 8 күн бұрын
absolute cinema
@ChrispyChken 8 күн бұрын
Hbox Armada is my personal favorite rivalry from my time watching melee. It never got the praise that I felt like it deserved, so its great to see it get some justice.
@GetOffMyLog 8 күн бұрын
HMW being so pissed at the time outs is hilarious
@Nigglai 7 күн бұрын
I miss the Hbox & Crunch Bromance
@DesTr069 8 күн бұрын
23:40 wow… I can’t believe I haven’t seen this shot yet. Iconic
@KingR098 8 күн бұрын
Forgotten??? This is one of the biggest rivalries of all time lol.
@donkylefernandez4680 4 күн бұрын
Melee is represented by the White vs Blue matchup; Fox vs Marth/Falco But the best players in the world were a PinkGreen match up.
@ganglyman22 8 күн бұрын
I wonder if Armada ever thinks back to Evo 2016 and regrets allowing Hbox to go back to Battlefield for Game 5 of the first set..
@JinkSSBM 8 күн бұрын
good title switch
@Vagabor123 7 күн бұрын
I miss the good old days of melee
@Efretpkk 8 күн бұрын
Good stuff
@WonderMotion 7 күн бұрын
shoutouts to Jackie Peanuts for an incredible script here 😤
@pedrohdalla 6 күн бұрын
Summoning Walt
@KubPlays 8 күн бұрын
Evo 2016 was one of the first big tournaments I remember watching in all of smash and they're some of the most vivid memories I have as a spectator. Staying up past midnight on a school night to watch the whole top 8 but specifically hbox vs armada's game 10 grand finals gave me chills. I'm far more disconnected from competitive smash nowadays since graduating from college, but this grand finals is something I still think back upon fondly from time to time. I never knew most of the history leading up to that moment but now that I do it makes the moment even more historic. Great video
@smallman9787 8 күн бұрын
Damn I was hoping this would be about all the small optimizations in the puff vs fox matchup
@lucastesting9612 8 күн бұрын
another walt banger
@unknow318 8 күн бұрын
Great movie 🎉
@sentientmeat96 4 күн бұрын
Previous thumbnail was significantly better weirdchamp
@sentientmeat96 3 күн бұрын
Ok we're back
@madmonk4214 8 күн бұрын
DUDE SO SICK
@madmonk4214 8 күн бұрын
fkin love u walt
@CasualScrub 8 күн бұрын
Taking a random guess at what the remaining 7 are because I think that'd be fun 1) Mango vs Amsa Big House 10 2) Mango vs Zain Summit 11 3) Axe vs Wizzrobe Summit 8 4) Mango vs Armada Royal Flush 5) Zain vs Cody Shine 2023 6) PPMD vs Leffen or Armada Apex 2015 7) Mango vs Armada Genesis 2 (or 1 or 3?)
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