The DO ALL Rifle? | Bergara HMR Wilderness

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Жыл бұрын

If you're in the market for a rifle that can do it all, then you need to check out the Bergara HMR! This rifle is versatile and accurate, making it a great choice for any type of hunting or target shooting. Plus, its reasonably priced!
Welcome back! Glad you are with us and back for another awesome gun! This time is the Bergara B14 Wilderness HMR in 6.5 Creedmoor! It’s accurate, utilitarian and can fill many roles.
HMR stands for hunting match rifle and it is just that. With a 24 inch barrel and sub MOA accuracy guarantee this rifle is nearly perfect. A touch on the heavy side for a hunting rifle but this rifle is built to accomplish multiple roles.
This rifle looks as good as it shoots. With the hand painted stock, tungsten gray cerakote, spiral fluted bolt, adjustable stock and Omni direction muzzle brake. This has it all. To round it out, a detachable box mag or bottom metal to accept AICS pattern mags is a welcomed addition.
During our testing and review, this rifle performed as advertised. It was shot for groups and at long range, even taking it out to one mile equipped with a Vortex Razor optic, it’s a lethal combo. Groups were all well below sub MOA and the stock, trigger and bolt make that a breeze.
This rifle is one of the best values on the market and if you are looking for a rifle which can hunt the blind or mount but shoot matches for practice, this is it! Let us know what you think and enjoy the review! As always, thank you for checking out Hunt Fish Shoot!
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@XxxAtlantaxxX Жыл бұрын

6.5 Creedmoor is ¢98 per round at it's cheapest right now. I gotta stick with .308/7.62x51 for my bolt gun simply because of price and availability. All these new powerful rounds are great - price and availability are the issue. I bought my first bolt gun this year - definitely changed my view on a survival/scout/recon type setup.

@silvermine2033 Жыл бұрын

For my current needs, I would definitely stick with .308 as well.

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the input and watching!

@Problematicbehavior Жыл бұрын

The 308 and 6.5 creed ammo are almost 20 cent difference. The 6.5 is going to give you far more consistency out past 600 yards… myself id rather pay the extra change for a cartridge that will make hitting targets out to 1k a bit easier and more reliable. But if you dont shoot out that far, the 308 is just fine

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Both are great rounds for sure! Glad to have them both!

@XxxAtlantaxxX Жыл бұрын

@@Problematicbehavior I currently have a Springfield Armory M1A Scout Squad in .308 and just added a bolt gun in .308. These are the only 308s I have. If I were to start over going with 6.5 would make more FUTURE sense as more guns become chambered in 6.5 and hopefully price of that ammo goes down but I was unfortunately already on the 308 path.

@ja7onsevan586 4 ай бұрын

Great video mate, great camera quality, the whole video was great in general. Cheers from Australia, i just ordered the exact same rofle this morning in .308

@HuntFishShootChannel 4 ай бұрын

Hell yeah! Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it!

@cdruss3460 Жыл бұрын

Great review guys. I love my Bergara rifles, as they seem to have a rifle to fit just about every need/use. Thanks for sharing!

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

They are great rifles!!! Thanks for watching!

@Kennoisewater123 7 ай бұрын

I would disagree I’d be happy to hike that or a 12-13lb rifle around. If you shoot it better take it and train harder. The weapon is what makes the meat

@HuntFishShootChannel 7 ай бұрын

But if you can shoot a 9lb rifle just as well for a hunting set up, why would you? Pounds really add regardless of how much you train.

@MichaelSmith-cq4zk Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video I have been pondering between savage the cross and bagara my friends like to have competition shoots from time to time so I did away with the cross and now the savage after looking at more reviews of the bagara. I do plan on using it for hunting also but I try to hike no more than 500 yards from my truck anymore unless I'm on a horse . Thanks again I did sub

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael! I feel you will be much happier with the Bergara than the other two brands. Bergara builds good rifles well known for their accuracy!

@austinreed5656 Жыл бұрын

Just ordered my first bergara today. HMR wilderness 7mm rem mag. Can't wait

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah! It should be a shooter! That’s a gonna be a nice weight for the magnum caliber!

@ricksprague3337 Жыл бұрын

Nice review. Good to see someone say “it’s to heavy”. 👍🏻

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

She would be a thick one to carry around! Thanks for watching Rick!

@north4961 Жыл бұрын

Had the 6.6 PRC...nice rifle ... too heavy at this age, purchased the Sig Cross 308 WIN.... perfect light weight tack driver.

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

It is a heavy one and glad to hear you found a rifle you like!

@Z33Garage Жыл бұрын

I paid 850 for my wilderness HMR as a demo rifle from europic and ai paired it with a vortex pst gen 2. Shoots stupid well and did not break the bank on either rifle or optic.

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

That’s a smoking deal! Hell yeah! Great set up you got and hard to beat!

@danielstonebreaker4727 8 ай бұрын

That’s a sweet deal, EuroOptic has the best price on this rifle by far.

@dbeardsley0 Жыл бұрын

Got 3 HMRs now. Their 300prc, 308, and their cva paramount 45 caliber black powder. Even the paramount shoots sub moa. Had the 308 from their initial release. Great shooting rifles. Plus got a few of their other models in other calibers. Not an issue with a single one of them

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Awesome, they are great rifles for sure!

@jasonmorris159 Жыл бұрын

How do you like the 300 prc in this rifle? I've heard nothing but good things. What kind of accuracy are you getting out of it?

@dbeardsley0 Жыл бұрын

@@jasonmorris159 it's a consistent sub moa rifle with the precision hunter ammo. I liked it enough I got a wilderness ridge in 300prc as well. I've found that one to be every bit as accurate as the HMR

@jasonmorris159 Жыл бұрын

@D_Rock ok fine, you talked me into it. I'll buy one haha

@heavycoughin6665 Жыл бұрын

I just ordered one in 308, so excited!

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah! Enjoy it!

@davidcleveland9815 11 ай бұрын

Thats the Big Daddy of rifles right there I love it going to have to see if it comes in 270 I love that round 😊

@HuntFishShootChannel 11 ай бұрын

It’s great Rifle and they have tons of calibers!

@diversify210 Жыл бұрын

Walked into my local gun store today just to do my occasional walk around to see what I could see. Had no intention of buying anything, but they had this beauty sitting on the shelf. Id been looking at these rifles for a bit but was never able to find one in the store. They really are a little hard to find. Been told by several FFL's they could order one for me, but its always "we can order it but we dont know when we will get it, which is how it tends to be these days. Well I dont mind ordering things, but Im not one to give up my money and not know when Ill get the product so I never did that. They happened to have one on the shelf today, so I picked it up. Think Im going to pair it with a Tract Toric 4.5-30x56 that is currently just sitting in a box, unless I come across something else I prefer to put on it.

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Heck yeah! Great pick up! They shoot great and are very well made. Thanks for sharing !

@johnayris406 10 күн бұрын

I like the stock camo!

@mikevieira6373 Жыл бұрын

Great video, I just saw it today & subscribed to your channel. I picked up a Wilderness HMR in 6.5 Creedmore last year & love it. I was shooting too many rounds through my hunting rifles at steel plates and this rifle fits the deal better, plus, I’m not burning out the barrels on my hunting rifles 😂 One thing I want to correct you on was your comment that the only differences between the standard HMR & Wilderness HMR was only cosmetic, which you listed, but you missed something that was very important to me was barrel length between the two. The standard HMR has a barrel length of 22” and the Wilderness has a barrel length of 24”. As a hand loader (with 2 chronographs 😂), that extra 2” makes a difference at bullet velocity leaving the muzzle, which affects overall bullet drop, drift, etc…I have seen anywhere’s between 30 & 50 fps per inch faster on longer barrel lengths.

@mikevieira6373 Жыл бұрын

I also need to add, the 22” in the standard HMR & 24” in the Wilderness HMR are listed in the Bergara catalog for the 6.5 Creedmore caliber. There are other barrel lengths for other calibers, but overall, it looks like the Standard HMR’s run shorter barrel lengths.

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Fair enough, was not aware of that and I apologize! Thanks for the information and watching.

@Jesco-pi9gr Жыл бұрын

Just picked up a wilderness today with a vortex scope, some special big old muzzle break and bi pod been shot 4 times to scope in got it for 1,200. I thought it was a good deal but it is heavy as crap.

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

It is definitely on the heavy side!

@gjmarkjesse1324 6 ай бұрын

Just ordered one in 300 win mag. So damn excited.

@HuntFishShootChannel 5 ай бұрын

Hell yeah!

@mattmadden2501 3 ай бұрын

I bought the HMR .300 win mag. I love it

@HuntFishShootChannel 3 ай бұрын

Awesome!

@GoFishingOrGoHome Жыл бұрын

Love my hmr it shoots 3/4 to half inch all day

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Same here!

@kirkwilliams4942 Жыл бұрын

308 only way to go. Ammo cheap and easy to find anywhere. Plus I use it in my AR10 and M1A1. Creed is nice but for most needs within 200 yards or a little more I think the 308 is so much more versatile. But again, I'm looking for a combo hunting survival gun. I'm going to see if I can order one of these soon.

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Great input!

@briankelly2886 3 ай бұрын

I loaded up some Hornady Interlocks for mine( sub moa!) and took it hunting once.I' m a still hunter and it is far too heavy for me ,even on short hunt. For watching a field or similar it would be great.

@HuntFishShootChannel 3 ай бұрын

Agreed! It’s too heavy for hunting rifle on a backpack type hunt. It’s a shooter though!

@ocsplc Жыл бұрын

If you want accurate rifle ammunition you should load your own. While there are but a small handful of factory rifle Ammo which is semi dependable, repeatable and reliable, like Nosler, loading your own so that you can supervise every aspect of cartridge development, build, Bullet selection, proper powder and brass, concentricity testing, primers etc, is the only realistic means by which one can develop match grade ammunition. Once I ditched the rotating presses and went to the arbor press-hand trickling exact powder amounts-I began to get ammunition which I personally knew to be “match grade,”. This includes weighing each bullet and the use of an arbor press with LE Wilson chamber type micrometer seating die. I check concentricity with the Hornady unit. Almost 100% of the time using the methods I’ve outlined you’re never off more than a thou, possibly thou and a half. With factory, I’ve found that Nosler is the most accurate with repeatable results. I also use their reloading bullets, like the LR Accubond. I refuse to be one of those guys at Sportsmans Warehouse desperately hoping they have my fav factory Ammo on hand…

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your input Quigley!

@Threegunmaster Жыл бұрын

Got mine for $989 plus tax in 308 and love it

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Heck yeah! Great deal!

@304trails8 5 ай бұрын

this is the rifle i would like to get in 7prc soon. paired with a 6x25x56 arken scope. just to be abel to hunt long range with and to get into precision shooting. funny enough id take it to thunder valley precision as well haha.

@HuntFishShootChannel 5 ай бұрын

You should consider the Carbon Wilderness HMR in 7 PRC if you want a long range hunting rifle. I would also check out some other options because available from Bergara is very limited in the long action stuff

@BigTee3099 8 ай бұрын

I just bought it in 6.5 creedmoor. I’m not a Hunter but maybe one day but i am just getting into long range and i think this will serve me well! For attachment of a Bipod- does it come with the picatinny rail underneath the forend? Thanks for the video!

@HuntFishShootChannel 8 ай бұрын

No it does not, that’s an aftermarket Area 419 rail. Great fitment. It will be a great rifle for you!

@user-kx8hw9gw5u Жыл бұрын

what brand picatinny rail did you use for the bipod? how did you mount it

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Area 419 and I used the two sling studs!

@jonathanvancura2080 Жыл бұрын

How much of an issue is the stock on the Bergara wilderness ridge, I've heard some say the stock on the hmr is significantly better, but I am wanting it specifically for hunting.

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

It is significantly better, but also heavier. By almost two pounds. The ridge stock would be fine for hunting, I owned a standard ridge and it shot very well. Just not stiff and a standard run of the mill sporter style stock. The HMR stock is hard fiberglass with a mini chassis built in, so it it’s stiffer with more features as well.

@DTreatz 11 ай бұрын

So target/match/short hunting = heavy is ok long hunting = lighter Guess I'll need more bolt actions for prep than I thought. Always good to have more reason to buy more guns 😂😂 👍

@HuntFishShootChannel 11 ай бұрын

You always need more guns ahahha

@BNatoAk 7 ай бұрын

Thats way smoother than a non premier rifle

@HuntFishShootChannel 7 ай бұрын

This isn’t a premier rifle, but they are smooth!

@melomani01 Жыл бұрын

I have a bergara b14 ridge 308. I am buying a bergara hmr stock. short action. Glass bedding has been done. will fit. on my barrel

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Heck yeah! Will be a great set up!

@GrenadaEDD Жыл бұрын

Do you think this Bergara HMR is comparable to the Waypoint 2020? Which would you recommend in 308..

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

If you are willing to spend the extra money, the waypoint is hands down a nicer rifle. If you don’t want to spend 2k, the HMR is a great rifle with really nothing to complain about. I will say if I could only have one, I would spend the money on the waypoint. Granted a sample size of one, the waypoint we had was about twice as accurate and would shoot 1/4” groups without trying.

@GrenadaEDD Жыл бұрын

@Hunt Fish Shoot thanks for replying..headed to look at the Waypoint now...interestingly it looks like Bergara is also introducing a new fiber carbon barrel at this year's shot show...

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

They are indeed! Look for us to have content on it! We are headed to SHOT tomorrow morning!

@Johan_Pentrose 7 ай бұрын

I love b14 hmr wilderness. How do you get your bolt so smooth. I have the same rifle. The bolt isn’t as smooth as yours.

@HuntFishShootChannel 7 ай бұрын

It was smooth to begin with but this rifle in the video had about 400 rounds through it when we filmed

@Johan_Pentrose 7 ай бұрын

@@HuntFishShootChannel ah, ok, i don’t think i have one hundred rounds through mine yet…thanks

@Astartesparty Жыл бұрын

How did you mod the bottom with pic rail

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

That is an Area 419 sling stud pic rail. Not sure on the exact model of the top of my head but they have several different lengths!

@stevenwalker9013 7 ай бұрын

That weight is the only reason I don’t have one. Thinking about a fierce

@HuntFishShootChannel 7 ай бұрын

They are really nice but it won’t be as flashy nor polished as the fierce. Haven’t had the opportunity to shoot one, but seem nice. I do like Christensen Arms Rifles the most of the three

@kevinaweseom2866 Жыл бұрын

I cannot find the wilderness ridge SP with a fluted bolt..

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Early models didn’t have the fluted bolt but it’s only cosmetic and does nothing for function. They also barely flute it so there isn’t any weight savings

@Michael-up3sw 9 ай бұрын

Hi, which rifle scope did you mount there?

@HuntFishShootChannel 9 ай бұрын

Vortex Razor HD LHT 4.5-22x50 MOA

@natanddaveg Жыл бұрын

Do they make this in a left hand model?? Lefties are limited!!😢

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Not sure! Haven’t seen one myself

@Chillinwithjasper Жыл бұрын

Yes they do !!! Go check it out

@traditionalshorin-ryukarat4989 Жыл бұрын

I have the left hand B14 HMR (not wilderness) in 300 win mag. Vortex scope, Atlas bipod, and Ultradyne Apollo LR .300 Win Mag muzzle break. Put this together as a birthday present to me and will test it out on April 1.

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah

@joesmith2587 9 ай бұрын

What height rings did you use?

@HuntFishShootChannel 9 ай бұрын

Those are medium height pro series rings

@rkwjunior2298 Жыл бұрын

How u like this vs the Waypoint?

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

I would take the waypoint over this any day but it does cost 1000 dollars more. This is a great rifle for the money but it’s not waypoint nice.

@bobbybvi Жыл бұрын

What about Sig Sauer Cross ? We can do shooting and hunting. It is lighter but much expensive. This one remind me about my ex Sig Sauer SSG Patrol...😥😥👋🏻👋🏻

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

There’s a reason we haven’t reviewed that rifle yet and don’t really have any intentions to. Likely due to a bad release but regardless, I would take a rifle from Bergara before sig.

@Chrystalsdad Жыл бұрын

Likely not hiking a lot is not a good assumption. If it's too heavy for you just send in my way then.

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Who would want to hike 100 miles in week in the mountains using a 14lb rifle? That sounds miserable. I have hiking plenty of mountains with packs and rifles/archery. Anywhere you can shed weight you do. Besides, do I look like it’s too heavy for me based off my appearance?

@childkillers_shouldve_NoState Жыл бұрын

If you have anything heavy like 20 lb you can send me 😁

@hampsterstew1234321 4 ай бұрын

The hmr wilderness also has a NO. 6 barrel the regular hmr has a 5 barrel

@HuntFishShootChannel 4 ай бұрын

No. They both have No. 6 tapered barrels. It’s listed on the Bergara website as such.

@hampsterstew1234321 4 ай бұрын

@HuntFishShootChannel you are right bass pro has it advertised as a 5 but begaras website shows 6 I am wrong.

@HuntFishShootChannel 4 ай бұрын

@hampsterstew1234321 hey no problem! Gotta watch those ads, they are often times incorrect!

@michaelstalenberg2407 5 ай бұрын

Sauer 100xt 300wm or this?

@HuntFishShootChannel 5 ай бұрын

This! Aftermarket support is better and the stock on this is great.

@barneygo2010 9 ай бұрын

Don’t buy ONE…… Buy TWO of them. I have 2 x HMR B14 rigs. One is a tight twist .22-250 with a 9” twist barrel. It launches the 75 grain HPBT laser straight and lights out to 700m. The other is a 6.5 CM and sends the 147 ELD-M out past 1000yards. Life is Good!! I’m covered!! Peace Be The Journey!

@HuntFishShootChannel 9 ай бұрын

You sure are! Great choices!

@washburnbilly Жыл бұрын

I want one but everybody is out of stock?

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

They are very tough to find unfortunately

@Chillinwithjasper Жыл бұрын

Sportsmans warehouse got all of them in all calibers

@evanwindom 2 ай бұрын

I own a B-14 HMR in 6.5CM. Accurate? Sure. Reliable? Yep. Light enough that I'd want to take it into the backcountry? Absolutely not. That thing is HEAVY. It's clearly focused more on the precision market than the hunting space, or at least the western hunts where you're not sitting in a blind on the edge of a bean field.

@HuntFishShootChannel 2 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@MrDan1509 10 ай бұрын

Bolt Fluting is not just for looks...

@HuntFishShootChannel 10 ай бұрын

In this case, yes it is.

@Bourbon-Canted-Ky-Windage Жыл бұрын

Bergara claims “Remington pattern ” with their B14 series rifles. That applies only to the receiver . If you want to make changes, such as a 3rd party bottom metal, you can’t. Everything other than the receiver is proprietary to Bergara! The other source of confusion is “AICS Pattern” magazines. AICS “pattern” magazines is about the design, not the length. One might expect 300 Win Mag in an HMR “match” rifle, to have a match length magazine like the typical AICS 3.850. You would be wrong! The HMR uses Pmags regular AICS pattern Long Action magnum magazine, which has a 3.53” max length. Depending on your intentions with a “Match” rifle, the short magazine could become a very severe handicap. And no. Bergara will not sell you a replacement bottom metal.

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

The short action accepts Pmags and metal AICS with no issues on the 6.5 Creedmoor stuff. I can’t speak for the long action. Thanks for sharing your experience and input!

@alienxyt 4 ай бұрын

This would have been much more interesting if there was more shooting and less talking. AND we could see the shots downrange.

@HuntFishShootChannel 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the input.

@jamessammann9183 9 ай бұрын

To heavy for me

@HuntFishShootChannel 9 ай бұрын

Definitely on the heavier side

@LSC2001 Жыл бұрын

Be careful with these videos. A friend of mine each bought this gun in 6.5 PRC after watching everyone hype sub moa groups on KZfaq. I have shot close to 200 rounds with mine and my friend about half that. They will do 3 shots sub MOA roughly 30% of the time with Hornady Match ammo or their ELD-X. Group sizes are very inconsistent and I have seen 2” groups out of mine but usually they are in the 1 1/4” range. All shots off a rock solid base to eliminate human factors as much as possible. It’s very inconsistent and very sensitive to barrel fouling. I’ve been over the gun checking everything and cleaned the paint off of the bedding in the stock. No improvement on either gun. Yes they shoot sub MOA….. occasionally. These are not consistent, repeatable sub MOA guns like KZfaq makes them out to be. I’m going to develop a hand load next to see what I can do before sending it back to Bergara. These videos seem to always be using 6.5 CM. Maybe that’s the ticket to getting consistent group sizes.

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

Can’t speak for the other calibers and only this sample size of one. However from past experience, I have owned a standard HMR in 6.5 Creedmoor and 300 Win Mag Ridge. All of them have shot below an MOA with ease. Or I should say Hornady Match or Precision Hunter because it’s always available and shoots great. This particular rifle had about 250 rounds through it at the time of the video with no cleaning whatsoever. I’m in the I don’t clean or break in my barrel camp until it’s so dirty the groups open up. With any video, viewers have to have the where with all that the gun is a sample size of one or two maybe.

@ssimossimo576 Жыл бұрын

This guy is really judging the accuracy of a rifle model with a sample of one? This says a lot about his basic knowledge on firearms. And probably on his ability to shoot

@LSC2001 Жыл бұрын

@@ssimossimo576 Yeah one rifle is only just one rifle. In my case there are two identical rifles both shooting the same off of bench rests. If a company advertises a sub-MOA guarantee, then they should all be capable of that with same ammo.

@ssimossimo576 Жыл бұрын

@@LSC2001 that's totally wrong. You are confirming me thst you have no idea how accuracy guarantees work on rifles. Bergaras are usually very accurate: i have two, for what it matters, and they both shoots about 0.2-0.4 MOA with factory ammo they like. Not with any factory ammo and not with the same ones. Every rifle favours one or more cartridge and can shoot many other ones less accurately. Bergara says which ammo they use for testing accuracy for every caliber in the us anyway. If the rifle is not up to the standards when they test it affer you send it back, they will fix it

@LSC2001 Жыл бұрын

@@ssimossimo576 two rifles I have seen from Bergara will not shoot sub moa consistently with the 147 ELD - M that they have used for their own testing. If we need to send two rifles back because they didn’t meet the guarantee then that’s pretty disappointing.

@michaelhill6451 Жыл бұрын

10:09 You think those are good groups? A 3/4 MOA and 1.3 MOAish 3-shot group? Lol. You definitely won't be winning any matches with that turd of a rifle. That's the performance I'd expect from a $350 rifle from Walmart.

@HuntFishShootChannel Жыл бұрын

with random factory loads. You could handload and tighten the groups up and then throw it in a vise like lead sled too. Thanks for your input Bob Lee 👍

@michaelhill6451 Жыл бұрын

@@HuntFishShootChannel Sure you could...I have a B-14 HMR in 308. It's easily the worst shooting rifle I've ever owned. The best it shoots is ~1 MOA for 5-shot groups with hand loads. Unfortunately that meets Bergarbage's 1 MOA 3-shot guarantee so they won't do anything to it. Also, Bergara specifically says that if you shoot hand loads your warranty is void. Anyway, I have a Tikka CTR that average

@ottokittel709 6 ай бұрын

boy are we spoiled, 1 moa turd !@@michaelhill6451