ye, first of all, that guy with the sabre would have a pistol in his other hand

@@Karol-bo1nv Not all the time. Sabre, especially this Hussar model were also used as a dueling weapon without any offhand weapon

I've done quite a bit of sword and buckler vs longsword and the sword and buckler wins about 75% of the time. As soon as I catch the sword on my buckler and get inside the longsword's tip it's over. The longsword is faster but the sword and buckler fencer has 2 weapons. My 2 cents. Jeff Sovelove, NJHFA Free Scholar/Instructor

@@Karol-bo1nv Ah, but the revolver hasn't been invented yet and so he's got a brace of single-shot howdah pistols. Having expended them both on the longsword's friends, they would be useful as parry sticks or small clubs, but nothing more.

@johnladuke6475 bruh the oldest revolver we have on record is from the 16th century

Yes but they attack so reclesly like they dont care if they get hit. Typical to sport fencing.

@@Vatras888 do you think they’ll loose to someone in the medieval time?

@@agarrikr2996 No doubt about that.

@@Vatras888 Trust me - this was pretty fine and clean for sport fencing... But this is close as you can get to actual swordfighting, without being worried about your life or health in long term :D and reckless fighters often make work things that you wouldnt expect, after all - everyone mentally sane is bit afraid of fighting even if they got sxkills- its natural.

@@krystofcisar469 Reckless fighters can do well only in sport fighting. In real situations they dont life long

I searched to see if someone already mentioned Hellish Quart... Right on lol.

@@adamtyson3962 😆

Dont get fooled, this is totally unrealistic, as neither weapon was using in this way.

@@CZOV You say, watching HEMA instructors and some of the best fencers in the world of their field…

​@@CZOV Ah yes and with that crappy grammar I shall totally heed your words, master.

Making his grandfather proud!

His grandfather Daniel played in entire Trilogy “With Fire and Sword”, “Deluge” and “Colonel Wołodyjowski “ 😀😀😀

" *It would be like comparing the effectiveness of a rifle and an SMG* " It's been done. I've seen a West Point weapon's instructor doing a comparison of that, and according to him, the result was very close. Oh, obviously the rifle tested was a semi-auto Garand, not a bolt action rifle. " *Olbrychski still put up a hell of a fight* " His grandpa starred in the most iconic saber fight ever filmed (most likely).

@@mil3k thanks a lot

And they would have never met on the battlefield. Hussar sabre did not turn up before mid XVIIth century. Historically most Hussars did not use the Hussar sabre, as it turned up already at the dawn of their downfall. They used shamsirs, backswords, Polish-Hungarian saber, maybe Karabelas, but Hussar sabre turned up late.

@@mil3k This film also has a sabre vs. rapier duel.

@@piotrmalewski8178 Indeed there is another one, but it is on horses.

Blade lengths at 0:50

from defending against long weapons with short weapons i can say you have to be very brave and a bit foolish to win.

I think the reach advantage isnt that big !

@@zaganim3813 Yes, Fortune Favours the Bold!

@@killerkraut9179 35cm is an absolutely massive reach advantage, you have an about an arms worth of extra range to use against your opponent, and you can see that the longsword uses that reach very well to bully his opponent. The sabre is forced to often overextend and to keep jabbing and swinging to ward off his opponent, because if the sabre allowed the longsword to use his reach advantage to the fullest, then the sabre would be even more greatly disadvantaged. So the sabre is forced to keep testing and teasing the longsword's guard with flicks to keep the initiative, using his slightly superior speed to stop the longsword from encroaching into his guard, hoping for an opening and exploiting ones immediately if he can. You can see this desperation in their first confirmed landed strike, the sabre performs a near suicidal attack out of desperation, because he sees a vulnerability (the longsword's faltering guard due to a failed overextended cut) and he goes for it, most likely knowing he's going to receive the counterattack. While the longsword can execute most movements at advantage, almost at his leisure, if he isn't fending off attacks. You can see this when the longsword goes on the offensive shortly after their first confirmed hit, gaining the second confirmed hit soon after. The longsword, when he gains the momentum, and forces the sabre on the defensive by threatening the sabre's guard with thrust's at first, quickly dismantles the sabre's guard by threatening with a blow from one side, but quickly reversing and striking on the other. The sabre is forced to respond to this first provocation (and so falls for the faint), because the longsword has stepped into the sabre's guard, and due to his inherently longer range, threatens a blow that the sabre cannot (due to the longsword's reach advantage) give proper answer against. TLDR: 35cm can feel like an insurmountable obstacle, and the sabre duelist is an exceptional fighter for negating his disadvantage with footwork and pressuring his enemy with his speed.

Yeah man. Now if only someone would make a dueling game like this hmm... 🤔

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"(this time the flat counterstrike gets called out but i wouldn't call that a win for saber)" Agreed. Even with the flat of the sword, a hit to the skull like that is something that will not leave you unfazed. The hit to the leg is certainly at least not imminently lethal, and if the hit with the flat dazed the sabre-fencer, a follow up attack with the longsword (and even if it's a half-falling thrust) may certainly be lethal.

Yes, its bit slower, but not that slower that you could count on that and with reach advantage, I think its bit unfair fight for sabre. Striking legs is almost every time bad idea in duelling as its target that is hardest to reach and will leave your top side open. You can just step back strike him from top while your opponent is outta reach if he aimed for you bottom.

I think the longsworder hase realy a not a graet edge alligment !

@@killerkraut9179We can certainly all agree on that just like we can agree on the fact that you need to pay attention in school bruh.

@@eeurr1306 What?

I said it's more difficult to operate hussar sabre comparing to extremely light Olympic saber. Not that military sabre background is a problem :) btw. my background is as follows in that order: 1. hussar sabre 2. military sabre 3. olympic sabre. Of course there are no textbooks for the Polish saber, so it's possible to train it more by practise than studying specific systems (it's still possible to look for similarities from another fencing traditions though).

My lineage has a similar issue with what Olbrychski experienced. Against a lesser fencer who is not so skilled at threatening that deep thrust with their long range, bullying the longsword is almost a walk-over, because it tends to readily offer a bind if you're on your game, and from there, working in closer isn't so bad. But that length matters and closing the gap isn't so simple: against somebody who's good at playing to the longsword's strengths, closing the gap without eating either the point or a short and sharp body cut can be a **real pain in the butt.**

Hussar saber is a cavalry weapon. It was meant to be used primarily from the horse. But the fact that it can be good in more conventional fight is also interesting. Longsword is a multi-tool designed with foot combat in mind. It obviously would have some advantage in one on one combat.

@@TheRezro yes spot on and i don't agree that broadsword will have advantage on one on one on foot because sabre is used by single hand mostly and they got shield in another hand

I would say that any skill that you have with shortswords or hunting swords can be easily apllied on sabre - sure it has some more potential if you learn proper sabre moves but fundamentals like postioning, distance and tempo can be applied regardless what you fight with. TBH calssic boxing helped me a lot with my fencing fundamentals. The fast pace combat and footwork really helped me deeper understand basics.

The reach is about the same, as the sabre is one-handed.

The Longsword doesn’t have additional reach. The saber is one-handed, which usually means better reach over two handed swords. Unless they’re massive like a Spadone or Montante.

@@magnajota4341 Fair, though maybe I'm a bit biased ^^. Obviously anecdotal and dependent on the exact weapons, but my club measured this case a few years ago. Our blades were each about 2cm shorter than the ones in the video, but otherwise fairly similar. We measured a ~3-10 cm difference in favour of the longsword, though the lower end of that was much more common. The exact value depended on stance, ability to extend your hand and exact attack angle. Probably some other stuff I don't remember. Not a world's difference for most of the time, but we perceived that it made a substantial difference. The longsword's reach felt safer as well, simply because we didn't need to make such big and exposing movements with half our body.

@@karmagator2312 Yes. The longsword has more reach, even the athlete on the video agrees with this assertion.

@@GregoryFleury Unfortunately I don't speak the language, so thanks for telling me ^^

You could also see him begin to bounce. In the 4th longsword kill of the second round you see the first bounce, then on the second bounce he fires. With Antoni literally flying through the air, his only choice is to parry his ass off.

Both MMA and fencing are great. And the experience from MMA can also be excellently applied when fighting with a weapon.

@@zinstoneheadespecially when it comes to grappling and sword & buckler.

Where are subtitles used?

@@TheMarlz2 after each fight and the people are talking about what went well and what didn’t

Consider it motivation to learn Polish :)

@@TheRestedOne With all due respect, I know six languages but it would still take me a lot more than motivation to learn Polish 😅

Longsword can be beaten by double weapons as it cannot cover 2 sides at the same time - event 2 swords could do it (musashi style/rapier +dagger)

The part I feel was missing from the video - in the "only lethal hits count" part I feel they fought normally, with hits that don't count interrupting the exchange. I wonder how the score would change if Antoni decided to use left hand more proactively to defend then. There is downside to this as left hand still has arteries and veins but losing a hand while winning might be preferable to losing a head. I wouldn't mind an extra section where a left hand hit in sabreur results in 0.5 point while torso/head results in a full point, in a double. And maybe a section where hand/forearm hits don't count at all, for both sides, with encouragement to exploit it fully - by shielding with a left hand for sabre and maybe playing more aggressively for a longsword.

Give the saber fencer a single-shot paintball pistol in his off hand and he wins easily. 😂

Sorry to be late, but as a fellow Australian how would I go about getting a Federschwert? I’m yet to see one, and I don’t know if the legislation allows for me to get one through post, though I may be wrong. Just considering my options before saving up, though I should familiarise myself with the legalities before really getting anything up. Thanks!

That holds true for all wars. The modern equivalent is being a world class marksman but still getting blown up by artillery

For simulating unarmored combat with no weapon restrictions I'd probably bet on a large roundshield plus a medium-length weapon. It's a combination that's annoying to carry and takes a lot of physical conditioning since a shield that big is heavy, but it's also really hard to attack someone who has one and anyone who doesn't have a similar amount of defensive ability is going to find it challenging to get past without taking a hit.

you don't need to adapt to BJJ if you do judo

I think the Longsworder needs a bit more cutting training the he would most likely less hit with the flat !

... and speed advantage as well

Nah you can’t give a sabre to a guy who has a long sword stance a sabre must be held out in a 45 degree angle in posture use the curve to wrap around the body for Leaft and right shots p.also being 45 it’s tilted so up and down also he was using edge align to much whole point in a sabre is the back is a sickle.the amount of times he could have just yanked his opps sword from his hands.

Sława Ukrainie śmierć ruskim

@@wbialy2695 дякую за підтримку 💪

Yes yes, victory for Ukraine.

the knee is one of the most painful areas to get shot/crushed/stabbed so the effect of such a hit could shock the combatant enough to fall over which in battle means you are dead anyway.

@@zaganim3813 You would be surprised what some people survived.. Charles IV (bohemian king, roman emperor) had his jaw splitted on tjost he was young. Very nasty injury where is guaranteed infection. However, Luxembourgs being very wealthy family, they had him treated and his jaw were literally sewn back together with golden wires apparent from his skull after dead. He lived nearly 80years in good health, spoke 4 languages. So they definitely knew a lot of stuff, just not everybody got what he needed :D

@@zaganim3813 more to the point is that when one fencer sees a sword headed for their brain they forget all about the knee hit. Try it with foam boffers or try traditional freeplay. You move to protect your head, not hit the knee.

i think they are bringing in more people for other videos also perhaps and i trust them not to do a weapon type if they are not good at it.

Bolek vs Lolek

Should have recorded this duel while it's raining heavy outside the gym lol

@@jaketheasianguy3307 And then, instead of a swordsman, put a second person with a saber and you can reshoot the scene from the movie The Deluge (film)

Also that one you have in reach :D

Jakoś mało realnie to wygladało ,walką szablą jest bardziej dynamiczna ,jeśli naprawdę tak by to wyglądało to miecz by nie zniknął wyparty przez szable

@@Niktnamnieda ale też walczący szablą stosował szermierkę olimpijską a nie sztukę krzyżową, nie było pracy nóg po krzyżu i wszelkiego rodzaju młynków. A różnica może być wtedy taka jak pomiędzy judo a aikido.

@@WojciechRyszkiewicz czyli ot takie pukanko żelazem dla zabawy

@@Niktnamnieda nie chce być niemiły dla zawodników, ale trochę tak :) . Broń to tylko narzędzie, szabla polska ma rozbudowaną sztukę jej używania. Miecz nie miałby szans nawiązać poziomu dynamiki gdyby szabla wirowała wokół atakującego szabla. Z kolei walka w tłumie, gdy nie można robić młynków i uskoków to miecz wchodzi wszędzie jak w masło.

@@WojciechRyszkiewicz no szkoda że nie pokazali realistycznej walki

Then a Longer Longsword with extra Hand Protection (Side Rings)

I vote long sword vs montante/greatsword

Maybe Langmesser vs a Kind of Saber !

@@jxfwliz5ldnheeg Longsword takes it, assuming the men operating the howitzer aren't armed with anything else.

@@Lurklen A mobille howitzer on tracks or wheels would be most likely op even more if its armored !

w realnej walce realnej obaj byli by okuci w zbroje więc nie każde trafienie musi coś zrobić przeciwnikowi zwłaszcza muśnięcie. i tym bardziej trafienie w korpus który często był kawałkiem jednolitego żelastwa.

@@crreeyz Albo byliby bez zbroi, gdyby do walki doszło w warunkach cywilnych. Walka to nie tylko pole bitwy. :)

@@crreeyz w ten sposób argumentując to i te trafienia mieczem psu na budę..

Lub gdyby użytkownik szabli posiadał jeszcze tarczę do tego :O

@@obserwer6952 przy cięciu w głowę raczej nie ma mowy o "lub"..

its however hard to be aggressive when the longsword can punish you so quickly, i agree tho the best way to beat long weapon is to close distance quickly!

Sabre fighter was so good for not getting pummeled more with longsword :D Reach advantage and two handed grip is huge +