After watching your rv reviews, I bought aktiv 1.0. My whole family thought I was crazy. After 3 weeks, I have used it to live at work instead of driving long distance home every day and have used it for an overnight stay at campground. Wife now loves the practical aktiv. My 14yr old son however told me he never wants me to pick him up from school with aktiv...he would rather walk home :(
@neilsalmon59004 жыл бұрын
Also important is the much easier parking as the Activ is 1.5 feet shorter enabling it to get into regular parking anywhere .
@gregghershberger79686 жыл бұрын
Length of bed is important. The Travato's bed isn't as wide but is 77 inches compared to the Activ 72 inches. I'm a little over 6'1" inch which makes trying to sleep in the Activ very cramped. Also my wife likes the larger bathroom over the Activ. I enjoy your comparisons, but like you say it is personal preference and that is why I just bought a 59 G last week and am loving it. Thanks for all your great videos. Gregg
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
Gregg I agree that the 59g is great for a single person but for a couple the bed isn't big enough.
@gregghershberger79686 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work, I wrote Winnebago and told them that partly based on your review of the 59G a few weeks ago is why I decided to buy one. I told them to give you a commission. Thanks.
@JohnnyC100719595 жыл бұрын
Bingo - 100% right. I am 6' 3" so the Activ is not in the running
@salolynda5 жыл бұрын
I have the Winnebago 59g and it’s so versatile for us as a family of two adults and two children the fridge it’s so big that can fits lots of thing as above cabinets and little closet lots of storage. Usually we don’t use the tv as my kids have their tablets and use when we are traveling and us we have our phone and tables also with unlimited data. The bathroom it’s large enough also with medicine cabinet. I love over other vans for sure it’s about what are you looking for your family and this trabajo it’s what we need.
@user-ym6lc7pk1e6 жыл бұрын
Good review. Very much agree that Aktiv wins on many options. But you forgot few things that can be dealbreakers to buyers. Aktiv does not have outside shower - feature that everyone wants. Aktiv also does not run water lines inside the coach, so has to be winterized even at sniff of frost. Travato can sustain night in high 20s without needing to drop water and blow the lines. Big feature for people who spend time in the mountains. And then you have to decide - do you want bigger bed and east to west sleeping on Aktiv or bigger bathroom, bigger refrigerator and more useable lounge on Travato? Remember that Travato also easily converts lounge into another full bed - not in Aktiv. It’s really a draw once you properly account for all these Activ drawbacks. Finally insurance. While it’s great that Aktiv has 6 years of warranty, the dealership network is underdeveloped compared to Winnebago. Roadtrek dealers may not accept Hymer Aktiv for repairs if they don’t sell them. So if you live by the Hymer dealership you may be fine, otherwise prepare to make road trip just to fix that faucet in year 2 or 3.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
good points you make especially on the dealership network although that's growing every day. I wouldn't say the Travato can sustain camping in sub zero temperatures. it can't. while water lines are internal some are routed too close to exterior walls and will freeze. also the drain out of the shower will freeze.
@user-ym6lc7pk1e6 жыл бұрын
I did not say camping in the subfreezing temps - that would indeed be catastrophic. But Travato with heating tank pads sustains brief (overnight) drops into high 20s. And a lot of folks report no problem with freezing lines - just add a bit of antifreeze into shower drain line if you are too worried. And as for expanding dealerships, yeah - I am in Connecticut and the only dealership that serves Aktivs is 3.5 hours drive. I might as well drive to Toronto for service. NOT.
@howesyourmac5 жыл бұрын
All of your dealbreakers don't matter to me at all, so the Aktiv 1.0 looks like the winner to me. We all have very different needs/wants. I like it that Neil gives us his choice, but gives us enough information that we can make an informed decision. Nice job Neil!
@patriciahinkley91256 жыл бұрын
That 6 year warranty gets my vote every time Neil. Great comparison .
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
me too! thanks Patricia!
@CamperVanGuy6 жыл бұрын
Another great review Neil. Not as good as mine, (I included bacon, dogs and insanely hot desert scenery) but you hit most of the key points. The cassette vs. black tank debate will go down as one of the greatest in history (cassettes are best:), Travato bed is longer but narrower, Aktiv is classier and more inviting with better tech, the lack of rear 3-pt should be illegal - but people do need to get into each of the vans and make their lists of pros and cons based on how they intend to travel. Thanks again, and hope to see you on the road.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
Jody, ANY video that includes bacon is going to be better than mine. always nice to hear from CamperVanGuy. miss your videos. they make me laugh.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
oh and you're top dog on YT when you search for "aktiv vs travato" in a private browser. I'm climbing though just two below you!!!
@dougmanck41496 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm. From he who did not buy the tech and occasionally makes a point of that fact. And the bacon is a diversion tactic, I fall for it all the time. :)
@CamperVanGuy6 жыл бұрын
Hi Doug - we have the standard Underhood Generator (called a UG or GU, but really just a secondary alternator), 250 watts of solar, and the 2000 watt inverter, but do not have the EkoTrek's (lithium batteries) or the VoltStart (auto car-starter that starts the van engine to recharge lithium batteries). The "standard" Aktiv package that is offered is far better than the Travato generator/no-inverter package (in my opinion:)
@Adiscretefirm6 жыл бұрын
CVG did hit an important point about the bed you skipped over Neil. You state the Activ bed is "bigger", if you meant wider or more square footage, you are correct, but some of us are mostly concerned with the length of RV beds and a 72.5 inch length means my head is against the wall, my feet are against the wall, both are against the wall or I am sleeping on my side curled up and taking away any extra width. Transverse beds are worthless for tall people unless you go the Revel route and add flared out inserts to the window cutouts.
@sswwooppee6 жыл бұрын
I really like your videos. I disagree with you about the "clutter" of the multiple system controls. I prefer individual controls to the single point of failure that a joined display would have, and I think it looks cool.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
hi Christopher thanks for sharing your comment with others. I hear ya but honestly the Aktiv gives you just as many redundant controls but they do it in a less obtrusive and obnoxious way.
@Sonnyboy3466 жыл бұрын
Nice review, Neil. I agree with most of your points, but my main concerns with the Hymer are the cassette toilet, and Hymer's terrible reputation for lousy build quality. A six year warranty doesn't do you much good if the van is in the shop all the time. The 59G's bed is a deal breaker for me. A good night's sleep is more important than the size of the bath, imo. I guess I stick with my plans for a PW.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
hi John. can't go wrong with PW. the quality is about the same on both but I'd consider the aktiv to be higher quality. they don't use stick framing and staples.
@pztiger_2146 жыл бұрын
I have used the cassette toilet and have no problems with it. I prefer to use it for #1 only and use public toilets for #2...just to save room...I use a blu liquid in cassette to kill odors. At my first use of rv dump station, the facility overflowed. Luckily it was just grey water. I would hate to see what happened if it was blk water :(
@Tygerlady996 жыл бұрын
I also have to agree with you that, considering everything, the Aktiv is a better buy. Still, I am seriously torn between the two. I was an Aktiv 1.0/2.0 fan as soon as they came out, but I can't get over that tiny bathroom in the Aktiv plus the way the shower head is positioned, you can't raise it over your head. It might sort of work for me because I'm 5' 2", but my husband is 6' tall and would lose his mind in there trying to maneuver about. I really like the large bathroom in the 59G. I'm all for "frankensteining them!
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing that tygerlady99. in most of these class b vans you're not going to stand up to shower. you're going to have to sit down on the toilet and take a "marine style" shower where you turn the water on an off as you clean up.
@balahmay6 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Neil for the time you spend doing this. Nice to again be able to think about this comparison. I continue to be attracted to designs like these that offer some utility with good access through the back and are small enough to be used as a multi-purpose second vehicle. The Paseo, Crossfit, and Revel are all kind of in that category. I was excited by each of these as they were introduced. My mind shut out the negatives. But then those deal breakers work their way to the surface and here I sit, thinking I should go join the design team for one of these companies. The Wonder RTB currently has my attention and may get me to compromise on size. But I want to see a Safari Condo Flex first.
@benvernick6 жыл бұрын
I’ve never understood why people are critical of small bathrooms in a class B. Realistically how much time in a day do you spend in a bathroom? 30 minutes? I’d much rather have a larger bed. $30,000 for the Pure 3? Wow I had no idea it was that expensive, you could buy a nice car for that kind of money or better yet upgrade to a Pleasure Way! I really like the Aktiv I think you get good bang for your buck. Saw one recently with the eco trek for $80,000.....not bad.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
I don't understand the appeal of a bigger bathroom over a larger bed and storage either.
@siberiantiger39175 жыл бұрын
@@Ultramobility Great review as always. It could be a woman thing - they do spend more time in the bathroom than men. Plus, there are bigger women who need the extra room in the bathroom. I am just a tad shorter than you at 5'9" and 170 lbs so the Aktiv's shorter length and smaller bathroom work for me. I am waiting for the pop top in the 2.0 to show up in the 1.0. Do you think it's going to happen? I am driving a Eurovan weekender and looking to upgrade to a RV.
@John101B6 жыл бұрын
A good review as usual. :) I personally won't consider cassette toilet for many reasons. Also, although Travato lithium package commands $30k premium, I believe it's a superior product over Roadtrek version. As you mentioned, I would like to see a Frankenstein version of the two - overall layout of the Activ (I guess 2.0), proper black tank toilet and Winnebago's 56v lithium system.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing Yeo-Hoon Bae - where are you from? just curious...
@John101B6 жыл бұрын
I'm from Toronto, Canada. Pretty close to the home of Roadtrek. :)
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
I lived in Montreal for 3 years!
@John101B6 жыл бұрын
Cool! Lived there for more than 10 years as well! :)
@dansalas3996 жыл бұрын
Nicely done yet again Neal! The solar power/auto start feature is a huge compelling argument for the Aktiv.. the one drawback for me though is the cassette toilet.. just not quite what I would prefer. I hope Winnebago can step up their game and get the auto-start and lithium battery without the 30K upgrade.. I can almost live with the smaller bed area. Thanks for doing this!
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
dan glad you find my comparison videos useful. I think they offer a unique perspective for anyone looking to buy.
@markwilkins90486 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review Neil. Wouldn’t the Travato 59G/K - L be a better comparison to the Aktiv? One of the big draws of a Class B is the ability to take it to places a larger sized RV can not go. This means more reliance on off-grid boon-docking. The Travato L class is now equipped with lithium batteries, as is the Hymer. Would love to see you compare those two models. Thanks for your insightful videos.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
hi mark - well the L series is really in a different price range. it's $140k while this 59G is under $100k. the GL is really a different beast all together. I will review them when they are available and I will compare them as well. thanks for your comment.
@pattiwalker97026 жыл бұрын
Hi Neal - I understand the reasons you compared these two based on cost and layout. You read my mind comparing the two because they are so similar, so thanks! As far as the Travato gL, my biggest gripe is they reduced quantity of the fresh water capacity to make room for the lithium. Boondocking is all about having power supply to stay out there longer but what's the use if you have less water! 21 gallons was already small capacity compared to other Bs but adding lithium it's down to 18 gallons fresh.
@YoshyZ6 жыл бұрын
On price, I’m seeing much better discounts on the 59GL than on the Hymer... so even with price as part of the consideration, I think the 59GL would have made a better comparison.
@PlaneJaned6 жыл бұрын
I know it’s a small thing, but I hate that the Aktiv has the sink faucet in between the sink and burners. If they swapped the positions of the burners and the sink and then moved the faucet to the back corner (near the bed) or if they just moved the faucet to the left corner of the sink, there would be more useable counter space.
@dynabanjo6 жыл бұрын
Three things that might be significant differences for some people: If you eat a lot of veggies the Aktiv refrigerator is too small for more than a couple days of camping at most. The Travato is good for much longer. The black tank vs casette toilet aspect. The need for dump stations is a factor in planning trips. Some people may either dislike casette toilets or find the lifting they require when full to be a problem. The Travato bed has a spring system that provides cushioning and air circulation.
@spellmadam29476 жыл бұрын
In our search we have never seen the Aktiv . We will check around our area and locate one. Thanks again for another awesome review.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
Spell Madam glad you enjoyed the comparison and found it useful. thanks for watching.
@michellenotherday14826 жыл бұрын
I love these comparisons...love the 360s too. Keep up the good work!
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
thank you so much michelle!
@colormedubious47476 жыл бұрын
Very good comparison, but you didn't address the headroom issue. The Aktiv has 2" less interior height than the Travato, according to the brochures. I'm nearly 6'4", and the Travato, at 6'3", would grant me barely enough clearance to avoid minor scalp wounds. Cutting 2" from that would find me routinely regaining consciousness on the floor after attempting to cook or use the bathroom. Sure, I'd fit in a Paseo, but it lacks the front office/bonus bed that these two rigs have.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
good point about the headroom. thanks for pointing that out.
@howesyourmac5 жыл бұрын
I was worried about headroom though I'm only 6'1". I went to a dealer to check it out. The Aktiv lists the headroom as 6'1", but I still had room even wearing boots. I felt like I would be comfortable living in the Active. At your height, you would be crouching all the time!
@StinkySobaccos6 жыл бұрын
Great Review! How about comparing the 59K or 59KL with the Hymer Activ twin bed offering.... Oh wait! they don't have one. :-/ Guess it's the 59K for us.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
they have a sofa bed option for the Aktiv but not the twin bed option. I like the layout of the 59k as well. just wish the bench seats were a bit lower so that sitting at the table was more comfortable.
@basilbourque5 жыл бұрын
The Erwin Hymer Group North America has 6 brands available, 4 offering Class B rigs (Roadtrek, Hymer, Carado, Sunlight), having purchased RoadTrek. erwinhymergroupna.com/brands/ Visit their various brand web sites for very similar rigs to the Hymer Activ, some of which have twin bed layouts. For example, the Zion. www.roadtrek.com/models/zion/.
@gaijinsumo5 жыл бұрын
I like the Aktiv 1.0 still, but wonder if you have changed your mind considering the Hymer insolvency? The warranty term seemed to be a big selling point.
@NoBagsChecked4 жыл бұрын
Wonder how this affects price
@katcankan71296 жыл бұрын
The side by side comparison is a great idea. I too prefer the Aktiv. Better layout and better use of space.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
thank you kat cankan!
@susanwes6 жыл бұрын
I would love to see some comparisons of things like miles per gallon, OCCC, solar capacity (including solar-ready for adding portable solar and extra roof space for adding permanent panels)-it would be great to be able to compare all the off-grid capabilities! These could include comparison within a brand (Pleasureway to Pleasureway) as well as across different manufacturers. Another comparison I would like to see is storage-how many total cf of storage each has. I wish manufacturer brochures included info like this!
@JodysJourney5 жыл бұрын
The bathroom differences means the Travato wins for me, as a solo woman. But that’s why there are so many different RVs. 😊👍🏻
@Ultramobility5 жыл бұрын
that's absolutely right Jody. There's an RV for everyone. No one RV is the perfect one! I like the big bathroom in the Travato as well. smartly designed.
@reeltease6 жыл бұрын
The 2018 Winnebago 59G has less weight and more payload. Much better wall insulation. Integrated bike rack and roof rack with ladder. Better bath with black tank. Larger compressor fridge. It’s an all weather coach! More storage. Larger aisle in galley .Active is tight in galley and second row seat is narrow. The GL option blows away the Active 2.0 with 800 lithium for the same sales price after discounts. 2018 59G and GL is superior to the Active.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
GL is a $30k upgrade which is ridiculous. you may not want all that lithium power and they don't offer anything more reasonable like Hymer does. Also, the 59G uses stick framing and staples to hold everything together. Wall insulation in the Aktiv is as good if not better than the 59G. all walls use spray foam insulation. Finally, the Aktiv comes with a 6 year transferrable warranty AND 2 years of roadside assistance. The 59G comes with a single year of warranty and no roadside assistance. I don't think the 59G competes at all.
@reeltease6 жыл бұрын
Is the Aktiv 1.0 built on the 3500 chassis? How much payload is available on on Acktiv 1.0l? In my experiance I can purchase a 59GL for less than then an Aktiv 2.0 with Ecotrek 400. The 8,000w Volta system is far superior on the GL and it includes a roof rack, ladder, bicycle rack and its all weather coach! My choice is the Winnebago 59GL.
@trishbenedict65884 жыл бұрын
Just starting to look for a B and really enjoy your comparison videos. The problem with the bed on the Activ Is the 72” length. Wayyy too short for my 6’2” husband! I keep coming back to the Travato G (in preference to the K partly because of the separation so I can sleep up front and let him toss & turn in the back, but also because of the big fridge - I hate little fridges down on the floor.) There is an Activ for sale in San Jose (we’re in Walnut Creek) and your video helped me decide not to make the drive to go look at it. Also concerned about Hymer and the bankruptcy/warranty. Thanks!
@dougmanck41496 жыл бұрын
Agree with most of your points. But you should say the Aktiv sleeps 2 shorter people comfortably, length does matter. You also kind of skipped the fact that the Travato bathroom is twice as big, another factor for those of larger dimensions. Also, the longer 2.0 does nothing for the galley, just a more square bed and additional storage. I agree the Aktiv is a better overall design, but the overall quality is so poor and the lithium battery system is so poorly designed, I still would hesitate on a purchase. Both are rather claustrophobic, which is why I'm taking a serious look at the 59K. Different animal, but a much more spacious feel.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
yeah... I guess I opted to focus on the fact that the 59g's bed is just too small for two people - large or small. that trumped any length benefits in my mind. I did emphasize that the 59g's bathroom is much larger but didn't talk about dimensions because hymer doesn't publish the dimensions of their bathroom. quality is poor on both but at least hymer doesn't up stick framing and staples and offers a warranty that is 6 times longer than the Travato. Just all the thinking that I did before I made the video.
@dougmanck41496 жыл бұрын
Hymer told me the bath is 25 x 24. And the bed difference is lay straight or cup with your partner. Cupping is fine but requires synchronized turning.
@notanomad93206 жыл бұрын
Great review Neal, one thing you didn't mention is the Activ is a cassette type toilet, that is very common in Europe and has some advantages but it's kind of a negative in the US.
@TracyChannelview6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for adding the warranties about these two. I'm looking at both, the warranty is great on the Hymer, where Winnebago is lacking, but on the 2019 models the Travato is now an all season coach. Plus I don't like the Cassette toilet in the Hymer. So I've been weighing the pro's and con's on both and think for me the Travato 2019GL which can be purchased for $78,000.00 with all the add on's.. lithium batteries, front window, driver & passenger window shades, ALL SEASON coach are a great value! I want to travel in all seasons. I'm assuming these are the 2018's your reviewing?? Thank you for sharing and adding warranty info.
@pattiwalker97026 жыл бұрын
Tracy Mccain - where are you finding a price of $78,000 for the GL as you itemized? I'm seeing $144,950 MSRP. I know I won't pay full sticker price but I need the name of your dealer that would reduce it by $66,950!
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
hi tracy! wow where are you seeing the GL for $78k??
@TracyChannelview6 жыл бұрын
I apologize the pricing was for the Travato 59G. I need a all season Van, if anyone knows of other vans that are also all season, please post. I’ve been doing research on Utube, the manufacturers, and RV Trader.com. No one on Utube ever states if the vans are a all season van.
@pattiwalker97026 жыл бұрын
Tracy Mccain Class B Vans typically aren't all-weather. Read answers here to someone who asked the same question on the Class B forum: www.classbforum.com/forums/f5/anyone-out-there-who-builds-four-season-class-b-vans-6916.html
@solodad6 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual, Tks Neil and see you next time.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
Claude, always nice to hear from you and know that you watched my video! thanks for watching!
@theShamrockShepherdWagon5 жыл бұрын
Neil the real comparison would be between the cassette toilet system Aktiv and the regular black tank system of the Travato. I'm ready to buy in a month, and presently my choice is Travato GL. The Pure 3 system is very attractive.
@Ultramobility5 жыл бұрын
great to hear Sue. I love the Travato and I love the Pure 3 system as a technology. very advanced!
@MickyELee6 жыл бұрын
I really liked your decision to compare two similar vans. I will travel alone, so some family vans are just not appropriate. This was a good set for me.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
thank you Micky Lee glad you found my comparison valuable!
@johnpuccetti93836 жыл бұрын
Wow you have got the camera views spot on. I am going to to look at the Aktiv and maybe trade our SS Agile in. Thanks!
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
john thanks for watching. what year agile do you have?
@johnpuccetti93836 жыл бұрын
2015 SS Agile 4 cylinder with solar Package 27,000.00 miles we paid $124,000.00 plus tax.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
what's driving you to consider trading your agile in for an active John? just curious....
@johnpuccetti93836 жыл бұрын
I love the bed and the under hood generator. I would only sell our Roadtrek if the whole deal would be no cash out of pocket. It would be hard to sell a used RV in the $100.000.00 range. I should just go camping and be happy.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
john I think the quality of your agile is going to be better. plus I think you get all those Mercedes safety features on your agile that the aktiv doesn't offer. but I do see the appeal of the aktiv. I like it very much.
@3yearsinthemaking5 жыл бұрын
Imagine in the future, i hope someone think the of hybrid aktiv 2.0 loft and travato 59GL . That you be awesome in class b industry. Thanks for the review btw.
@Ultramobility5 жыл бұрын
thanks for your support! i'm sure we'll see a hybrid in the coming years.
@JohnnyC100719595 жыл бұрын
I agree on most points but at 6' 3" that 59G bed is long enough and the Activ is not long enough.
@johnford55684 жыл бұрын
Ideal too for the solo traveler.
@ran61106 жыл бұрын
Good comparison review, I'm currently in an Aktiv 1.0 at Arches National Park. I do think that if you are going to mention the amount of space the Travato bathroom takes up you have to mention, and show, the small size of the Aktiv's. Especially how difficult it would be for some to get around the Travato's sink if they are larger (no I had no problem)! Oh, and I really do like the Aktiv's flip-up sink! Strangely I've flipped on the cassette toilet after having used one for over a week now. At least for a single rider, they are fine for a week or so and are easily dumped in many places along with the standard dump station. Having ridden in both I agree about the jump seats and lighting but the TV didn't bother me since I watch most of my videos on my 15" laptop and I never turned the TV on.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
ranTrek thanks for sharing! did you rent the Aktiv 1.0?
@ran61106 жыл бұрын
Ultramobility yup.
@pattiwalker97026 жыл бұрын
ran Trek - If you don't mind my asking, where did you rent it? I'm interested and want to try it out first. Thanks!
@ran61106 жыл бұрын
Best Time RV (rental.besttimerv.com)
@davidmurling42526 жыл бұрын
You fail to mention the sliding screens on the Aktiv. You have to snap on the screens on the travato. And the Aktiv screens are better at keeping bugs out.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
well i suppose. i prefer the snap on screens. the screens are tracks generally break and grit and pebbles get into the tracks and cause the door to come out of the tracks or become hard to open and close.
@reginacarmel84216 жыл бұрын
Neil, have you considered doing a review of Coach House? They’re in Nokomis, FL. Family business, manufacturer and sales. Most intriguing: one piece fiberglass “house.” They also sell on Sprinter chassis. Warranty: 3 years. On the other coast, for you, but reputed to be quality outfit. Would love to see comparison to Pleasure Way. Continued success!
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
regina I have considered coach house! I would love to review them but need to somehow find one locally.
@reginacarmel84216 жыл бұрын
Ultramobility Neil, am wondering whether you’d need to come to Nokomis, FL, their sales/manufacture headquarters, since from what I read, their orientation/customization is a big part of the experience. While there are CH units everywhere, they seem to be sold new only from headquarters. Perhaps available at a show? Results of my ongoing research have narrowed the top two to PW and CH. If I could win the lottery, ARV. Dream on.... Thanks for all your interesting and helpful work.
@patm54836 жыл бұрын
Thx tough to do these kind of reviews as you will have strong feelings for both make, models. I found it informative and non biased Thx
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
thanks so much for noticing how hard it is for me not to be biased. I do like both these vans.
@terrys.42936 жыл бұрын
Neil, if you ever have the chance I would enjoy hearing your review of a Coach House RV class B or B+. Thank you for all the great information and all the time you put into putting the videos together.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
yep will do. have to get the majors off my list first!
@badguy14816 жыл бұрын
To tell the truth, I've had no problem with my extended length Roadtrek Zion.... same length as the 2.0. YES it sticks out a bit in parking lots. But I've had no complaints or problems with the extra length. ALSO..whenever I have a chance I park it on the street, whenever possible, and walk into the store. That way no one can slam their door up against my van and cause damage. And I've used porta potti's in the past and have no problem with emptying them. I would prefer a cassette toilet just because I would not have to look for a drop site (and pay 10$, like a do now) quite so often.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing your experience with you Zion Badguy1. I agree that a cassette toilet isn't so bad especially when you consider that many of these vans have black tanks that are barely double in size at 10 or 12 gallons.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
Check out my new playlist for more head to head comparisons: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/admYm8Shmr-deZs.html Here's my original review of the Aktiv: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eLOjZtBk2s6Ug5c.html And here's my review of the Travato 59g: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/otRjp6uSmp7DiHU.html
@johnyee96886 жыл бұрын
Hi Neil, great job as always on your reviews. You did not mention about the cabinet construction. Are they screwed or stapled together? Also what bout the cabinet locks? Thanks
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
hi John. well the travato still uses stick framing and staples. I refer folks to my original review for that. the aktiv doesn't. I thought the 6 year warranty of the aktiv versus the 1year warranty on the travato said it all. both the travato and aktiv have problems with the 5 things that should be positive latching.
@0150r4 жыл бұрын
The Active may have more 3-point seat belts, but that doesn't make it suitable for a family as it only has sleeping space for two. The Travato has beds for four.
@timstretton31745 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and love it. Great info!!
@altapia546 жыл бұрын
You forgot to point out that the Activ has a cassette toilet.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
yeah I didn't think it really mattered in this comparison. I try to point out the biggest differences between the 2 vans. I suppose since the travato has a black tank it might be worthwhile. the biggest issue was the size of the bathroom and how much space it takes up. having a black tank in my mind didn't matter so much but maybe I got it wrong...
@altapia546 жыл бұрын
Ultramobility I plan to retire next year and will be doing some boondocking. So a cassette toilet is a deal killer. Hopefully Hymer will change out the cassette.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
Al I hear you there. I prefer a black tank as well. you have to dump your grey tank anyways so what's so hard about pulling an extra valve to dump you MUCH LARGER black tank?
@thomashanan19966 жыл бұрын
Al Tapia The cassette toilet system cannot be hooked up to city sewer line... That is a major minus when in rv resorts for a few weeks...
@YourMajesty1434 жыл бұрын
I don't get why anybody would wanna deal with dumping period, whether cassette or black water sewer line. Get a compost toilet. You throw it out the same way you throw out your toilet paper trash. You just grab the ends of the bag, tie them & throw out in a nearby dumpster. Takes up the same space as a regular toilet, no plumbing necessary, and no wasted water to flush your excrements. In fact all that saved water, by going this route, can instead be utilized for a proper shower. Can be DIY'ed for less than $100 or just buy the naturehead composting toilet for $1K (which is messier & more costly, imho)
@Judy-cm6kp6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great review. Aktiv certainly is superior to the Travato. The warranty especially is so much better. Winnebago should be ashamed
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
I will continue to point out their shameful 1 year warranty at every chance I can get until they change it.
@HampstarWheel5 жыл бұрын
Won't matter now that Hymer is out of business and no one's Hymer warranty will even be honored.
@ChristianTravelers5 жыл бұрын
That cassette toilet is a killer for us, but so is the small bed of the 59G. No winner here.
@Ultramobility5 жыл бұрын
yep that small bed would be the killer for me. I personally want to try out a cassette toilet for my needs.
@kerridillon31206 жыл бұрын
No! No! NO! to anything with a cassette toilet! That and a wet bathroom as well! Who wants to have to wipe down the toilet after a shower for the next person to use?? Gross!! Hey Dean!! Give me the new Leisure Travel Van Unity twin bed with the bike garage !
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
can't wait to review it Kerri!
@GardenerTobakАй бұрын
Do you recommend buying a Hymer even though they're not sold in the US anymore? Is there any way to get parts?
@Steve-yo4ld6 жыл бұрын
Just curious, why not compare the Aktiv 2.0? That is the same length as the Travato🖒Another great review. I really like the 2.0😉 I just don't understand why or how Travato has a 1 year warranty on something that going to cost $80,000.00+ That's insane👎👎👎 Aktiv hands down🖒🖒🖒
@allmyrattys5 жыл бұрын
You do know that the Activ table in the front does expand? It has arms under it.
@Ultramobility5 жыл бұрын
yes
@karaallaire97984 жыл бұрын
I know this video is a year old, but I’m curious since Hymer going out of business, do you still have a warranty?
@JRMoritz6 жыл бұрын
Any chance of you reviewing the Tiffin Wayfarer B+? We have one on order and would love to hear your thoughts. Your reviews are the absolute best!
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
I'm likely to start branching out to more B+ vans and class C vans as well. I just have to get more time on my hands!
@michaelhanson48486 жыл бұрын
What I'd like to know is the weight limit of those beds are. The Travato brochure highlights the Frolie (sp?) but nada about weight limits.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
not sure about that michael. the problem is that most of these rv manufacturers don't list limits on such things. I agree that it would be good to know it.
@reginacarmel84216 жыл бұрын
PS: Should you be able to make it to the Southeast, Mercedes’ new plant in SC should be opening any day. It’s from there (I think) that the new Sprinters will come. Chance for an interview?
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
Regina would love to make it to south Carolina some day and would love a tour of that plant! thank you so much for thinking of me.
@reginacarmel84216 жыл бұрын
Ultramobility If/when you think of coming to SC, please let me know. I live on coast and would be happy to host you and your daughter. Catch me before I downsize! ;-)))
@terryharrigan63246 жыл бұрын
Travato does have a lithium upgrade and a pretty substantial one too. They just call it the 59 GL.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
not an upgrade but a whole different model. you cannot upgrade the 59G to lithium - you have to go for the GL model witch is $30k more.
@TraderChick11 ай бұрын
Hey, would you still go w an aktiv today? I found a good 2019 used one but I never see them anymore but price point is great
@konakcc5 жыл бұрын
Would be nice to see Aktiv 2.0 vs Travato 59GL.
@Ultramobility5 жыл бұрын
interesting comparison.
@philc.9280 Жыл бұрын
I believe Hymer went out of business so the travato would be the long-term winner for parts and service.
@FawazHamoui6 жыл бұрын
Great job with your presentation...
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
appreciate the kind words Fawaz Hamoui! thank you!
@5stardave6 жыл бұрын
I'll take the bigger bathroom over the bigger bed any day. Also I'd tear out all the seatbelts other than the driver's belt to make sure no leeches try to scam a ride from me. The warranty isn't a big issue because I'd void the warranty by modifying either one to suit my purposes better. The main difference for me would be marine toilet verses cassette toilet.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
that's a great point you make. if you're looking to mod the van then the warranty doesn't matter.
@cristinehafner46013 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to improve the lighting in a van without major work?
@clicks2flickswiththewiz5636 жыл бұрын
Nice job, Neil,
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
thank you vr sim Wizard!
@HampstarWheel5 жыл бұрын
Welp, now that Hymer North America is out of business, that 6 year warranty doesn't mean much. Time to update the winner.
@savethebees25062 жыл бұрын
To summarise Large people go for the W. Talented smart people go for the H.
@Trishpage3126 жыл бұрын
TheActiv is only available with the dodge chassis. Also gas not diesel. Is the a true vas or is it a “b plus”
@elee3254 жыл бұрын
Can TVs be used as a monitor to connect to phones or laptops?
@bobslaney95895 жыл бұрын
Any recommendations for a class B that has a driver's seat that accommodates someone 5'10" or taller? Having trouble finding one that allows me to sit back and tilt back enough to be comfortable for long drives. The Dodge chassis seems to just have very short seats and the discomfort is made worse by design that puts the seat back up against something too close to back. Thought/advice appreciated.
@Ultramobility5 жыл бұрын
look for one that doesn't have a wall or encumbrance right up against the driver's seat. The Beyond from Coachmen comes to mind.
@joannegoodman13885 жыл бұрын
Where can I buy this active 1.0 I called a dealer they told me it’s only sold in Germany? Also this warrantee that you mentioned is it still available now when the whole road trek hymer situation
@coorsleftfield4 жыл бұрын
Except now Hymer is out of business and they screwed all of the Aktiv buyers.
@nikemac844 жыл бұрын
Is the Hymer Activ 1.0 still available in 2020???? In Canada????
@explorenaked6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. We we're going to seriously consider the Travato but now I'm not so sure. One question. Is the Aktiv considered four season? I'm also waiting to see what Coachman is going to announce with their Crosffit at the dealers show next month. I like the Ford Transit and am hoping they'll offer a lithium package.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
hi Gary. the aktiv does not have internally plumbed water lines nor is its fresh water tank internal like the Travato. it also doesn't have heated tank options. having said all that. the travato isn't really all season either. it is not marketed that way by winnebago because there are more things to be considered than the water lines. some of the water lines in the travato are too close to the exterior walls and they will freeze. also, the drain in the shower will freeze in sustained lower temperatures. so the travato will hold out longer in sub-freezing temperatures but eventually you'll have to winterize it.
@explorenaked6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply. Great information. I have to disagree though with "you'll have to winterize it". Nope, we'll just winter in Cabo. Problem solved! Thanks again. Your videos are detailed and very informative.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
hey Gary I just meant if folks think they can use the travato during the winter without winterizing it then they'd be mistaken.
@explorenaked6 жыл бұрын
Oh I know. I was just funnin' with you. The dream would be summer in the mountains of the western US and the southern states and Mexico in the winter months. Thanks again and keep up the great work.
@NoBagsChecked4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@Ultramobility Жыл бұрын
No problem
@wanttoplae6 жыл бұрын
Good video. Does the Travato offer better all season capability since all the water and lines are interior and heated tanks are standard (i think)? Great point about the price variance if you opt for the travato lithium version.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
yes the travato has internally routed water lines and an internal fresh water tank. also heated tanks are available as an option. the travato is not 4 season however. winnebago does not market it as such although it is better equipped to handle colder weather then the Aktiv is.
@jeanhofvedvm75896 жыл бұрын
Do you think the Aktiv's double-paned windows make it more comfortable inside in various weather conditions?
@anthonycbrown19526 жыл бұрын
I sure would like to see an in-depth review of the Hymer ACTIV Loft Edition. Besides the loft, I wonder how the 'basement' airconditioner will perform. Neil - how difficult is it for the dealerships to allow you to take the reviewed campervans for a test drive? Hope you are enjoying the holiday with daughter.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
Anthony - I can't recommend the loft edition despite the fact that I really want one. it's CCC is only something like 450lbs!!! which is shameful and a joke. after you take out two passengers you left with like 100lbs for EVERYTHING! including your water which if you filled it up would be about 240lbs meaning that you're already over 140lbs in your CCC rating. I don't understand how Hymer could launch such a product.
@anthonycbrown19526 жыл бұрын
Wow.... Totally missed that. This is embarrassing. --- Bring back a souvenir and your vehicle may be overweight --- Four 'healthy' adults? No vacation for the four of you (in the same ACTIV Loft) Gross Vehicle Weight Rating - 9350 lbs./4241 kg Occupant & Cargo Carrying Capacity - 450 lbs./205 kg Loaded Vehicle Weight - 8900 lbs./4045 kg
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
I'm here to serve sir.
@anthonycbrown19526 жыл бұрын
Any truth to the rumour you got a lucky number while in Las Vegas and traded the Ascent for a 40ft high-end Class A? Inquiring minds want to know. [;-}
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
LOL - that would be the day! I love my 19 foot van sooooo much! you'll have to pry the keys from my dead fingers.
@cursor19566 жыл бұрын
hi neil, did you ever review sportsmobile sprinter 4x4 144? I want ascent but they do not make ascent 4x4 .
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
hi there - I have to try and make time to go to their factory which is close to me...
@maryw36856 жыл бұрын
wonder if and when Hymer will sell some of their larger motorhome in the USA. I like the idea of German engineering.
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
that's a great question Mary. don't know. I know that they've introduced their small travel trailers here in North America.
@patriciahinkley91256 жыл бұрын
Hey Neil would you be willing and able to review the coachman crossfit ? thanks
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
yep just as soon as i head out for another round of reviews!
@jeffliu76406 жыл бұрын
Yes, I would also be interested to get your take on the coachmen CrossFit
@TracyChannelview6 жыл бұрын
Patty Walker look on Lichtsinn website
@midnite227676 жыл бұрын
Fantastic review and I agree the Hymer is a far superior coach. I know the Promaster is the most popular platform for campervans in Europe by far but I'm not a fan. I wish Hymer would start building the Activ on the MB Sprinter chasse instead. Its called the Grand Canyon over there. Hopefully US builders are watching your videos and taking notes. Europe is far ahead of the US in the RV building field in terms of form and function. They better hope more European makers don't jump the pond and start selling here or they will be hurting for business like the US automobile industry. Remember Detroit anyone? Thanks for this video!
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
I really like those European designs as well. the Aktiv is one of the only models available in North America that has that European design flair.
@GoodCybrations5 жыл бұрын
I test drove a Activ today.. Checking it out, I went to open the back slider and the cheap plastic handle broke off. If that is any indication of the quality, no thank you. I moved on~
@Ultramobility5 жыл бұрын
thank you for sharing your experience AFS Consultants. no better testimony than from those who have experienced things for themselves.
@ednapuckett10426 жыл бұрын
Do you if the Aktiv has a twin bed configuration available?
@basilbourque5 жыл бұрын
No twin bed in the Hymer Activ. But the Hymer Group offers 4 brands of Class B rigs in North America: Roadtrek, Hymer, Carado, and Sunlight. Some have twin layouts. For example, the Roadtrek Zion. www.roadtrek.com/models/zion/
@charlesk48315 жыл бұрын
Travato is more comfortable for a taller person. But still not enough. How about you do a comparison with taller people?
@Ultramobility5 жыл бұрын
noted! slim pickings in the class b space unfortunately.
@DrWoody26 жыл бұрын
How is the Zion .
@GrandpaNana6 жыл бұрын
Neil, what happened to so many of the videos?
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
not sure what you're asking GrandpaNana...
@calcal51356 жыл бұрын
What are the approximate prices of each?
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
$200k for the Atlas and $105k for the Wonder.
@colormedubious47475 жыл бұрын
Now that Hymer has imploded, does the Aktiv still win?
@Ultramobility5 жыл бұрын
nope.
@colormedubious47475 жыл бұрын
Good call!
@Desperado32484 жыл бұрын
Winnebago front lounge is a disaster. Poorly laid out, miserable, uncomfortable seats, no head rest , and as you State the placement of the tv makes it useless
@5stardave6 жыл бұрын
59GL
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
what about it?
@brianwhitaker60406 жыл бұрын
Thanks Neil just out of interest what are the prices of both vans
@Ultramobility6 жыл бұрын
hi Brian. as reviewed $89k for the Aktiv and $83k for the Travato.