Hyundai i30 Fastback N v Nurburgring

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It's the spiritual home of the modern performance car, one that attracts car enthusiasts not just for the inherent challenge, but the adventure of getting to there, setting a lap, and then being able to get home.
In our latest video, we sent evo Contributing Editor Steve Sutcliffe to the iconic Nürburgring to lap the Nordschleife in Hyundai's i30 Fastback N, and remind us why it deserves its place as the ultimate pilgrimage for the performance car enthusiast.
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Read our Hyundai i30 Fastback N review here www.evo.co.uk/reviews/22145/h...

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@trendliners9658
@trendliners9658 4 жыл бұрын
It's the first time I believe that so much promotion for a car is what it deserves 100%.
@e1337prodigy
@e1337prodigy 4 жыл бұрын
Stop giving this car praise, I don't want people knowing it's good, I want it to be rare when I get mine and I want it cheap, so don't want them to sell well, then hopefully I can get a deal at a trader.
@clapham4life
@clapham4life 4 жыл бұрын
Haha totally the same....with a few thousand miles on there are some hovering around £21-23k....decent value if you ask me. I'll be chopping in my golf GTi for one I think one day
@johndoe-ee7ko
@johndoe-ee7ko 4 жыл бұрын
it migh stay the rarest eversince i rarely ever see other fastbacks . Still way more normal N models. its all good anyway.
@e1337prodigy
@e1337prodigy 4 жыл бұрын
@@clapham4life I know, they really good value. Some have only done 1000-3000 miles and already £7000 off brand new prices. I'm so tempted to take a test drive in one. I hate selling cars and the trade in value will be a lot less than what my current car is worth. Plus I still haven't seen what the fastback looks like in person, I'm still a bit undecided on the looks of it.
@clapham4life
@clapham4life 4 жыл бұрын
@@e1337prodigy I do prefer the hatch tbh. Some guy down my road had a black hatch (looks and sounds so much better than on videos) and has changed into a blue fastback....I deffo prefer the hatch looks wise
@e1337prodigy
@e1337prodigy 4 жыл бұрын
@@clapham4life I guess, I just want something different and fastback has a little more of a unique look. Really I want a coupe version but Hyundai don't do a coupe version (yet), currently own a coupe so preferably want another coupe.
@abdelhameedalotaibi3657
@abdelhameedalotaibi3657 4 жыл бұрын
Hyundai has really come along way and their cars are really good..
@pereldh5741
@pereldh5741 4 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: it does 175mph without those glasses!
@RoBH1890
@RoBH1890 4 жыл бұрын
Your original Hatch review was the main reason I went to test drive an i30N and then subsequently bought one. Just such a brilliant car to drive on British A and B roads. This fastback looks nice but maybe one for the older crowd.
@MattHealey.
@MattHealey. 4 жыл бұрын
Rob H90 same here fella.
@mkz24
@mkz24 4 жыл бұрын
How's the car? Is it reliable ?
@joecarter1902
@joecarter1902 4 жыл бұрын
@@mkz24 very reliable, modern Hyundai's generally are reliable.
@cater4anytink45
@cater4anytink45 4 жыл бұрын
What's fuel consumption like
@RoBH1890
@RoBH1890 4 жыл бұрын
I have done 2k miles in mine since new and the computer shows 26.9mpg. I don't exactly drive it sensibly most the time though. I reckon on a long commute you would probably see 30ish mpg. Definitely not a car to buy if you care about economy though.
@youchasedafterme
@youchasedafterme 4 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate seeing Evo content with you Steve. You are one of my favorite journalists. Please keep it coming!!
@GRfourfun
@GRfourfun 3 жыл бұрын
Same here, followed him for some time and respect his opinion massively.
@sergiogon
@sergiogon 4 жыл бұрын
Steve is awesome, but big Kudos for the filming / editing team! Amazing work!!
@eyelid81
@eyelid81 4 жыл бұрын
The most discussed Hot Hatchback is done by Hyundai - And it's not the most powerful one, actually far from it. Isn't that mystical? This car really seems to have a soul.
@ikarugaxx3749
@ikarugaxx3749 4 жыл бұрын
Even slightly more so than the super-perfect Type R possibly.
@soldieroftafari
@soldieroftafari 4 жыл бұрын
@@ikarugaxx3749 sure seems like it! especially being down over 30hp! 168mph may prove it has more than 275hp.
@lok687
@lok687 4 жыл бұрын
@@soldieroftafari Ive seen some of them on the dyno only making between 255-265 at the crank they do make more torque then the specs tho
@nstylemotorsportsracing1471
@nstylemotorsportsracing1471 4 жыл бұрын
@@lok687 guy in Canada just set a record in a veloster N with only a lap 3 tires and meth injection 12.7 @ 106 1.728 60 ft time.
@robertb6135
@robertb6135 4 жыл бұрын
dont care yeah I have stinger and dyno torque numbers are 386 stock. Company says 375 so they under rate their cars like bmw does
@ikarugaxx3749
@ikarugaxx3749 4 жыл бұрын
This is not the first video on the channel with this man and an i30N, and I think it's fair of me to say his clearly qualified enthusiasm had a hand in electing the car into my serious options, because he isn't the type to feign enthusiasm on most/all videos, not at all, so his attitude speaks a lot of the cars. I will add that, with automatic driving and other such amenities incoming in the medium-long term, these may be the last few years to get a sporty car in the sense that that has for many keen drivers.
@middlecovemotors2474
@middlecovemotors2474 4 жыл бұрын
I got a N. Its Nmazing
@TheVeryteddy
@TheVeryteddy 4 жыл бұрын
take the car make 425 miles at 168mph to go, have a fun on one of the hardest circuit in thr world, and back at home... in a hyundai. Well done naamiaangg's men. P.S. I love that fastback's line!
@mgmarrison
@mgmarrison 4 жыл бұрын
OH...MY...GOSH! I was watching the section showing the cars speedo with my mouth open! 168mph... I can't believe it.
@johnyjackson6952
@johnyjackson6952 4 жыл бұрын
Funny how 10years ago owning this brand of car would've been embarrassing, how times have changed 👏 well done 👌
@DjNikGnashers
@DjNikGnashers 4 жыл бұрын
I hear what you are saying Johny, but Hyundai have been making very good cars (reliable, well made, cheap) for many years, trying to undercut other brands so that they can get a foothold into the UK market. Now they have proven themselves, and we are seeing performance models that are also very competitive with other brands. I work for Hyundai, and to be honest, I am very proud to say it, it is a fantastic company to be part of.
@georgemavrides3434
@georgemavrides3434 4 жыл бұрын
More like 20 years. Since they 2000s, Hyundai and Kia have been making very reliable cars. What was missing till 10 years ago was the upscale feel and now the hot hatch feel!
@mortenberg2897
@mortenberg2897 4 жыл бұрын
I drove rhe ring 1 month ago in my Mustang GT (manual of course) and it was a crazy fun experience 👍😉
@davidcho9445
@davidcho9445 4 жыл бұрын
A beautiful view, car and professional driver.
@izuaff04
@izuaff04 4 жыл бұрын
more Sutcliffe please....
@karlsandin4515
@karlsandin4515 4 жыл бұрын
Kia and Hyundai have really improved
@marcelolopes4049
@marcelolopes4049 4 жыл бұрын
I have the hatch! It's a machine!!!
@modestomonteroferro9145
@modestomonteroferro9145 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!! All!!! The video. The journalist (thanks Steve for how you transmite the thrill of driving). The stage. Thank you!!
@park5178
@park5178 4 жыл бұрын
Recent Hyundai and Kia do very well. Cool.
@ikarugaxx3749
@ikarugaxx3749 4 жыл бұрын
With an i30, you get performance and handling one step higher than its price class, stylishness and visible quality one step below. It is the C segment's Fiesta ST. Wish a Mini you get stylishness and visible quality one step higher than its price, handling and performance one step down its price class. All cars that manage to stay in the market make sense, what you have to understand is which make more, less, or no sense for you personally. With a Golf (GTI) you have a balanced situation: performance, handling, interior refinement (which includes things like how effective the air conditioning system is, sound quality, and so forth) are all on the same level. The car's averageness makes it a sales blockbuster (which success in turn feeds itself, 'cause people like to imitate the majority), as well as a wrong choice for enthusiasts. I wish there was more technical debate, and less insults thrown in the comments: it's simply about accepting diversity of mind, in fact instead than in words only.
@richacoll1
@richacoll1 4 жыл бұрын
What a bunch of self appointed drivel
@surfside75
@surfside75 4 жыл бұрын
This should be lol... Good😂 Nearly 170mph in a Hyundai ummmmm WTD🦆 times have changed✔️😂
@UTubeSL
@UTubeSL 4 жыл бұрын
Haha love the 'what the duck'!
@popsandbangs8858
@popsandbangs8858 4 жыл бұрын
Lol that was before 2000s 😂
@TheScudabear1
@TheScudabear1 4 жыл бұрын
Speedo error?
@plld6969
@plld6969 4 жыл бұрын
Great combo of long journey, normal roads, autobahn high speed and Nurburgring. Nice one.
@JulyOverland
@JulyOverland Жыл бұрын
so beautifully presented, great job sir!
@goddersgti
@goddersgti 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Steve. Thanks again
@PingoDK86
@PingoDK86 4 жыл бұрын
Lovely video, thanks!
@Stclairm1
@Stclairm1 3 жыл бұрын
Waiting for the Elantra N to come to the US. Really impressed with your fastback. Top speed is nuts!
@AgroAaronFpv
@AgroAaronFpv 4 жыл бұрын
I really wish this car was available in the US!!
@meanmugginj
@meanmugginj 4 жыл бұрын
I remember a looooong time ago my moms friend had a Hyundai Elantra man I hated riding in that car small and no power we got gapped at every light 😂😂😂 had her foot to floor tryin to get up to speed but now look at Hyundai they gettin it done.
@jeanlafrance8746
@jeanlafrance8746 4 жыл бұрын
It is so my number on dream to drive on the Nordschleife! One day!
@CougarPerkins
@CougarPerkins 4 жыл бұрын
Please do more reviews on the ring!
@sparkplug964
@sparkplug964 4 жыл бұрын
Nice car the i30 FB, got to see one coming back from Wales and thought it look like an interesting RS3!
@brianholden2724
@brianholden2724 4 жыл бұрын
"Got it in N because we're on the Nurburgring after all." Yes! But let's not forget the N is for the Namyang circuit in Korea.
@MrAndyp25
@MrAndyp25 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed that video! And the best bit is I VE GOT ONE!😉
@garystratton8731
@garystratton8731 3 жыл бұрын
Hi can I ask how it compares to FK8 Type R ? Is the Type R worth the extra considering both but can get much better deal on I30N. 👍
@richacoll1
@richacoll1 4 жыл бұрын
Jeez the brochure says 155mph and that made me think, well if it can do it effortlessly then great,.......... 175! Amazing car at an amazing price.
@techyd8411
@techyd8411 4 жыл бұрын
I can not believe you put those glasses on and thought “Yes, yes these are definitely the ones”
@johnfretz1938
@johnfretz1938 4 жыл бұрын
Lovely machine. Wish they would bring it to the U.S.
@lothar8077
@lothar8077 4 жыл бұрын
Hyundai please listen. Bring this to the US and I will buy it.
@andrewbond7949
@andrewbond7949 4 жыл бұрын
Steve are you wearing a Tissot heritage limited edition in rose gold?
@diMne86
@diMne86 4 жыл бұрын
That’s a fcking 270 km/h 😳
@albertkang1052
@albertkang1052 4 жыл бұрын
envy you. long waiting list for the FB N.....
@TheScudabear1
@TheScudabear1 4 жыл бұрын
Was that a real tz2 at 12' 05" or a replica??
@solid_ares3459
@solid_ares3459 4 жыл бұрын
The paradise on earth 👌
@chuckcribbs3398
@chuckcribbs3398 4 жыл бұрын
So what was your time???!!! I don’t think we are getting it here in the States. We got the Veloster N though. Lots of great reviews over it.
@lacapone7159
@lacapone7159 4 жыл бұрын
After the 2nd round the steering wheel keeps shaking while braking
@bat33.12
@bat33.12 4 жыл бұрын
Surprised to see you run it in sport+ damping (N mode) I've talked with a former ring instructor and he said normal damping setting would be his choice at the Ring. Only UK track that suits full N damping is pan flat Silverstone.
@kaliuv
@kaliuv 4 жыл бұрын
I had the same thoughts but then I remember some of the reviewers said fastback has softer damping & spring rate than hatchback
@bat33.12
@bat33.12 4 жыл бұрын
@@kaliuv good spot I've now driven both MY19 and MY20 versions of the hatchback and was surprised at how different they felt. MY20 hatch has the fastback suspension settings
@PaddyMcQueen
@PaddyMcQueen 4 жыл бұрын
11:11 it is the scariest track not because of the track itself... but because of the people that drive on it !
@coupe6339
@coupe6339 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing car
@paddydowney6269
@paddydowney6269 4 жыл бұрын
Can they put this supple suspension setup in the hatchback? Really don’t like the fastback ducktail rear. love the i30N and would genuinely consider one to replace my current car
@SeanGT83
@SeanGT83 4 жыл бұрын
Paddy Downey that’s meant to be happening next year. It’s in Eva’s first review of the fastback
@bat33.12
@bat33.12 4 жыл бұрын
New car hatchback orders are now coming as MY20 (L code) and have the new suspension settings along with a few other minor tweaks. MY19 (K code) cars are still on the stiffer setting. So in the UK a 19 plate would still be MY19 but a 69 plate is likely to be a MY20. I've driven two i30N hatches recently, a 19 plate demo and a 69 plate car with 100 miles on the clock, and didn't realise why they felt so different until I found out about the changes.
@NicoSteinacker
@NicoSteinacker 4 жыл бұрын
If only the Ioniq looked that cool :/
@kfae8959
@kfae8959 4 жыл бұрын
Stuart - you said twice in the first five minutes that you could feel the differential "doing its stuff", but what is that? What can you feel?
@pastorofmuppets8834
@pastorofmuppets8834 4 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing it's how it hooks you into a corner when you're expecting understeer. Have you driven an FWD car with an LSD?
@k20ee96
@k20ee96 4 жыл бұрын
Who's Stuart?
@zak506
@zak506 4 жыл бұрын
Needs to come to America
@GarryMcGovern
@GarryMcGovern 4 жыл бұрын
Would have been so easy just to stick up a basic GPS app on your phone for a more accurate speed reading: it would have a margin of error of anything between 5-10%, meaning a genuine speed of between 150-160. Still blindingly fast (and not just for a Hyundai either!), but would have at least neutralised any inaccuracies from the speedo.
@xeus2eme
@xeus2eme 4 жыл бұрын
SCHWOIDEN KROITZ... Oh my god, that pronunciation.
@gurkpojken
@gurkpojken 4 жыл бұрын
SchwEden to be exact. I live in schweden, not schwoiden
@xeus2eme
@xeus2eme 4 жыл бұрын
@@gurkpojken what is this ? An attempt to do a joke ? A real (false) statement ? ...
@gurkpojken
@gurkpojken 4 жыл бұрын
@@xeus2eme maybe the joke doesnt succed. I live in schweden anyway.
@xeus2eme
@xeus2eme 4 жыл бұрын
@@gurkpojken Sweden* . And I wrote Schwoiden because of his pronunciation.
@gurkpojken
@gurkpojken 4 жыл бұрын
@@xeus2eme lets drop this. Jag bor i sverige. Sweden, schweden.
@hrishikeshsabde4257
@hrishikeshsabde4257 4 жыл бұрын
I wish we start getting all of these good cars in India........
@samrit123in
@samrit123in 4 жыл бұрын
Hrishikesh Sabde The tax structure for such cars is ridiculous. We’ll have to pay 2 to 2.5 times as much depending on the state. And let’s not talk about the roads we have and the traffic situation. M2 comp costs ₹1.03 crore or $145,000.
@idozen13
@idozen13 4 жыл бұрын
Bring this car to the US @hyundai
@markscutt8603
@markscutt8603 4 жыл бұрын
Thought it was spud from train spotting with them glasses
@georgecope4673
@georgecope4673 3 жыл бұрын
Would I be stupid to change my Alfa Romeo Giulia Veloce for one of these now they are available in auto??
@MarkieMark.
@MarkieMark. 3 жыл бұрын
No.
@ryanschmid7940
@ryanschmid7940 4 жыл бұрын
Really wish Hyundai would sell us the I30N as an Elantra GT-N or something in the US. It's nicer and more useful than the Veloster which appeals to those of us who sometimes must carry more than 2 adults.
@hizzity
@hizzity 4 жыл бұрын
I wish Hyundai would ditch the Veloster N here in North America and sell the i30 N instead.
@nstylemotorsportsracing1471
@nstylemotorsportsracing1471 4 жыл бұрын
I hear you but we work with what they give us. Personally I love my Veloster N performance pack. Its weighs 180 lbs less 3026 lbs I think it's a bit faster acceleration. But no denying the i30n is beautiful.
@park5178
@park5178 4 жыл бұрын
Jordan Hynes do you lnow veloster N ?? In Korea, we want to buy i30n. We can only but Veloster N. (The match of Veloster N vs Mini cooper JCW, Veloster N was win. That is very cool car and fckin reasonable price)
@nstylemotorsportsracing1471
@nstylemotorsportsracing1471 4 жыл бұрын
@@park5178 yes I own one. I wish it were possible to get parts from Korea you have great stuff. I watch Philip park videos who has 400 hp veloster N tuned by lap 3.
@nstylemotorsportsracing1471
@nstylemotorsportsracing1471 4 жыл бұрын
@@park5178 I bought mine for very good price 28.125$
@hugdeath929
@hugdeath929 4 жыл бұрын
Makes me want to RUSH right out and buy one. Hyundai is in a class by itself right now with their bang for buck and their warranty. I hope they keeping pushing the n lines to the point where there is an n variant for every vehicle the way there is for the German automakers.
@soulstance
@soulstance 4 жыл бұрын
Impressive 170mph....dang beautiful car too😎😎😎
@popsandbangs8858
@popsandbangs8858 4 жыл бұрын
deephouse O what !!!!! 170mph in i30N fastback ????
@letsgetretardent
@letsgetretardent 4 жыл бұрын
Evo has a real Hyundai kick going...
@ikarugaxx3749
@ikarugaxx3749 4 жыл бұрын
Hyundai its one of their main advertisers of late, but they haven't said or written anything that isn't true about the car.
@ornatehammer661
@ornatehammer661 4 жыл бұрын
The fastback looks like a hatchback /suv / saloon hybrid, i like it tough 😅
@RRSmurf
@RRSmurf 4 жыл бұрын
Really like the i30N... Awesome effort by Hyundai. Is it so hard to put a GPS or something in there to check what the actual speed was on the autobahn?
@LorenzoClara97
@LorenzoClara97 4 жыл бұрын
Is it too hard to look for other videos of the top speed?
@53glowe
@53glowe 4 жыл бұрын
The greatest 12.9 miles of race track in the world 😬. Curiously, how many 12.9 mile race tracks are there in the world 🤔
@taxus750
@taxus750 4 жыл бұрын
Well, there's the Nordschleife and then... there's... ummm, well how about the... errr...
@DavidSmith-iz8fw
@DavidSmith-iz8fw 4 жыл бұрын
"A bit tasty amongst the eyefull mountains "
@saucysimpson259
@saucysimpson259 4 жыл бұрын
Hmmm...seems like hyundai have upped the power on their press car. none of the others have broken 150moh
@lkh0120
@lkh0120 4 жыл бұрын
Crazy hyundai
@anotae
@anotae 4 жыл бұрын
And then.... 2L of oil and valves chiming like Christmas song. True history. But thumbs up to the review.
@PedroFTeixeira
@PedroFTeixeira 4 жыл бұрын
That's why the 7 year warranty is there. (Only 5 in some countries)
@1MrBryn
@1MrBryn 4 жыл бұрын
So, those glasses? Did you lose a bet, or.....?
@PerformanceY
@PerformanceY 4 жыл бұрын
I just wanted 12 min video about Hyundai. 🤔
@fud1376
@fud1376 4 жыл бұрын
Surprised its limited to 168mph....A little Tune eh!!!!
@AbleToCum1
@AbleToCum1 4 жыл бұрын
Stock Hyundai doing 168mph... faster than genesis!?
@pereldh5741
@pereldh5741 4 жыл бұрын
But really only 190 down to Schwedenkreuz? I did that in my Fiat Argenta :)
@pereldh5741
@pereldh5741 4 жыл бұрын
@@mikeyu3694 190mph...? :)
@pereldh5741
@pereldh5741 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Y. Well 190mph is 911GT3 speed at that spot
@marcusthestarlord4936
@marcusthestarlord4936 4 жыл бұрын
He got the goggels from ruben in ocean's 11
@Staff7A
@Staff7A 4 жыл бұрын
i30N Developed on the Nurburgring... Sat Nav doesn’t have Nurburgring! haha!
@Philbyyyy
@Philbyyyy 4 жыл бұрын
Is this a Hyundai channel
@kingsleymolby
@kingsleymolby 4 жыл бұрын
The sunglasses.....
@thierrydogniaux1252
@thierrydogniaux1252 4 жыл бұрын
many people talk about a car they do not know.First try it on track and then give its opinion! I drove with on the most beautiful track in the world: Spa Francorchamps (see my video)
@rapidshot3033
@rapidshot3033 4 жыл бұрын
I think Hyundai and KIA should partnership. Both Korean both make good cars
@deanmason4714
@deanmason4714 4 жыл бұрын
Kia is the sister company to Hyundai
@schokohase74
@schokohase74 4 жыл бұрын
Auf welcher deutschen Autobahn haben sie denn die Aufnahmen gemacht. Kein Auto weit und breit . Bei uns kann man froh sein wenn man die 100 km erreicht.
@Narr1
@Narr1 3 жыл бұрын
In der Eifel
@st33fie
@st33fie 4 жыл бұрын
those sunglasses are a tad too British
@Carrera-gp9od
@Carrera-gp9od 4 жыл бұрын
Holy shit mr sutcliffe , what is going on with those Gregories ? Never seen anything like them 😂😂😂
@ravenstylea2
@ravenstylea2 4 жыл бұрын
Not much is known about the durability of the I30N engine, or how much development went into it to keep it from blowing up after 70k miles. Time will tell.
@karlsandin4515
@karlsandin4515 4 жыл бұрын
Why doesn’t America get this
@alfnitro6104
@alfnitro6104 4 жыл бұрын
Why?
@gaborpomazi948
@gaborpomazi948 4 жыл бұрын
funny prounanciation!
@user-ei1lp2hl4p
@user-ei1lp2hl4p 4 жыл бұрын
충격) 한국에 안파는 한국차가 있다?!?!
@jameslove888
@jameslove888 4 жыл бұрын
You should have tried the wipers on the autobahn. Poor motors can’t cope.
@babisotonggg
@babisotonggg 4 жыл бұрын
agree haha
@niklaschmid
@niklaschmid 4 жыл бұрын
Well, you shouldn't drive that fast under conditions where you need the wipers. Anyways, you just can swap them out with some Bosch aerotwins and the will function at 250km/h
@kubek555
@kubek555 3 жыл бұрын
grandma's glasses
@ericvalverderosado2046
@ericvalverderosado2046 4 жыл бұрын
Wanna show this to my friend that bitches over the old Veloster xd
@roserstefan
@roserstefan 4 жыл бұрын
Feels more like an advert for the car rather than a review.
@delboy2596
@delboy2596 4 жыл бұрын
This is a bit gushy. Is this an advert?
@mybellyisapinata
@mybellyisapinata 4 жыл бұрын
Sutcliffe always feels like he's trying to seduce me during the voice over bits. Unsure how I feel about it, but the wife doesn't seem to be complaining about the unexpected manual stick shifting since watching.
@nitrorory
@nitrorory 4 жыл бұрын
Heck of a lot of Hyundai videos. Paid promotion then.
@mikej9921
@mikej9921 4 жыл бұрын
Frontwheeldrive is frontwheeldrive but rearwheeldrive is more fun..
@user-qp1ug3um7f
@user-qp1ug3um7f 4 жыл бұрын
Our own brand.. never can get. Can get 3 weird door instead of this. Angry as fuck.
@ginge82
@ginge82 4 жыл бұрын
They really need to put some effort into their interiors. They are just awful.
@babisotonggg
@babisotonggg 4 жыл бұрын
later the price will be the same as Golf GTI
@garyparker2262
@garyparker2262 4 жыл бұрын
I realy love the interior, everything you would ever need, where you need it and not in the slightest bit gimmicky
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