Tesla's appearance is getting outdated slowly

A perfect example of how it should be.

going that fast and accelerating/deccelerating constantly will put a large load on the battery and accelerate the wear. The more weight you have in the car the more wear on the battery so the lower the speed must be especially uphill.

Ioniq 5 (similarly to Kia's EV6) is indeed more quiet and has softer suspension. It depends what do you want, more focus on relax or on sport aspect.

By all accounts the stiffness of the ride with M3 and MY has improved drastically. I drove the Ioniq 5, loved the interior but didn't like the way it handled at all. It was the 72kWh AWD. Sluggish, heavy, slow to respond to steering (even in "sport" mode). In comparison any tesla is a much more enjoyable driving experience. But really for me, looking for a family car, the trunk size of the Ioniq5 (and I believe it's a similar story for the KIA eNiro and the EV6) is unacceptable for a car this big. Due to poor battery placement, the cargo floor is very high! And the hatch door declines very steeply, which means the actual boot space for bulky items is really small. That's a real fail for the Ioniq 5. And if you slide the rear seats back all the way for cabin space it's even worse in terms of boot space. This kinds of put the Ioniq 5 in a weird segment in my opinion. It's too big and bulky for a couple without kids and it really does not have a lot of usable cargo space for families. It's hard to compare numbers as there are different standards on how trunk space is measured and photos can be deceiving. If you're thinking about the Ioniq 5 as a familly car, really go check the boot for yourself. If your lady packs like mine, you'll start sweating bullets. As a family car, it's not even close. The MY is much - much - better. Safer body, better handling, looooads of space everywhere (cabin, trunk, frunk and underfloor storage, the Ioniq5 doesn't have any), better range and much better charging network. The Ioniq 5 charges faster but 1) you'll have to charge more often and 2) it's really only about 10 min difference with the MY, 18min vs 29min. Does that really matter? Especially on drives where you might stop one less time with the MY. MY is more expensive and doesn't have some features people might like such as HUD. But otherwise... it's not really a competition.

@@kryptorick5120 Mars? Trying to figure out on what planet you’re writing this from… 😝

Even with heat pump in Hyundai that fat Tesla is 20% more efficient right ?

@@sudeeptaghosh there is no heat pump advantage at the temps they were driving.

Curious. Did you take the wheel caps off? And does it look any better

Check out Rimetrix laminar covers. They replace the gemini covers, still provide a range benefit, and look awesome! I have them and love them

Where are you located, as soon as I get my PMY I’m dumping the 21 Uberturbines for some 19s. Could be induced to pick up some Gemini’s for the right price.

@@thomasjacques5286 I still kept the wheels, I just replaced the hubcaps

@@thomasjacques5286 Faro

This is what I’m banking on. My kids don’t need that much leg room so we can get a lot more cargo space. That gap between the seats and cargo area is a little inelegant though. We’re looking forward to getting an I5.

@@kmschwem with the seat fully forward ye, its a bit untidy looking with the boot open. Still decent leg room with the seats forward too, the interior is gigantic. Also depends if you have the ultimate or not, as the lower shelf is largely taken up by subwoofer. You can still fit things in there, like cables and the vehicle to load adapter. But you do lose a bit of depth.

@@guybrushthreepwood3002 I have a RWD Ultimate on order, probably won’t need it very often but hoping the extra space in the trunk will come in handy on holidays and days out climbing or at the beach etc with wet kit!

or so much for Tesla's efficiency: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nKyBjcuDkra2hqM.html

@@tooltalk New owner in the X, not using precondition properly, a driver in the 3 more concerned (rightly) about his wife and the undisputed expert gaming the system to the full extent. I think you'll find the "efficiency" was fine. Learn the difference.

@@tooltalk Inexperienced users and an unfortunate run in with broken chargers and for some reason not using 250kW DCFC...

The biggest difference or issue for me was that the Hyundai did not know know where the chargers were and it was routing the driver to a location further out. That could add another 10-20 minute for the driver to stop, open the phone and search for a charging location closer or, alternatively, take the further charger suggested by the Hyundai. We have two Teslas at home so I am a fan. However, I can’t wait for the other car companies to offer some good competition with Tesla as we the consumer will be the winner in that competition. I feel that the other electric cars have a long way to go into seamless integrating with the chargers.

Good point, £13k will buy enough electrons for maybe 10 years of motoring.

​@@johndoyle4723 haha, yep, at the Octopus EV 7.5p/kWh overnight rate I make that 2,476 charges, or about 495,238 miles on the Ioniq 5 😁

Owned from new my Pearl White / Black wheels 8 year old 125,000 RWD P85 still with 250 mile range, still turns heads, still goes like stink and I still love every drive.

The Model S you are talking about doesn't have better efficiency at these speeds nor more range, what are you even talking about?!

tesla isn’t as efficient as they claim though…

@@hardywoodaway9912 Are you just repeating the Edmunds BS? "Doesn't match EPA range (but we also didn't test down to crawling like the EPA procedure does, pure coincidence that the efficiency DOES match EPA, just range is less...)".

maybe in the next generation. They also caught up with Tesla's charging network in the US kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nKyBjcuDkra2hqM.html

But £10k more expensive to save 8 mins on a charge? The RWD only ioniq is a good bit more efficient too

@@NO3V : Tesla is notorious for inflating their performance and range figures -- Hyundai/Kia are opposite.

Efficiency is way more important I would say. Raw charging speed is only a factor when you are on a road trip.

@@inspectorseb5286 : efficiency doent' really matter if you are not on a road trip.

@@tooltalk can’t follow that logic, I charge at home, if my car is more efficient I don’t have to charge as often. Going back to the original comment saying efficiency is AS important as raw charging speed. For normal day use I still argue efficiency is more important. Ive had my model 3 for one year now efficiency is a factor every day where as charging speed has never been a factor. If you go on 1000km+ road-trips every weekend then it’s a factor though.

@@tooltalk Unless all your electricity is free of course efficiency matters. The less efficient your car, the more expensive it is to run.

There is more to driving than efficiency alone, otherwise Ferrari would not exist ! I agree that for many people buying an electric car the cost will be a major factor, but would those same people be purchasing a £55k car ? I am frequently stopped in the street by people wanting to know more about my ioniq 5. Every time I drive it leaves a smile on my face. I just don’t get the same feeling in a Tesla. This to me was worth more than efficiency.

Tesla interior has nothing in it dull and boring like the rest of the car.

@@davidlewis4399 The performance is anything but boring compared to the other one ... and P models are as fast/faster than sports saloons. Looks are subjective. I prefer the calmness versus 50 pointless buttons and nozzles/lights etc. YMMV. Do you just come to these videos to post that you don't like the looks of Teslas?

@@eubikedude more to a car than insane speed most drivers can't handle. Reason they remove the buttons is it makes it cheaper. If you prefer that good on you I don't and and yes I think Tesla's look terrible. I bet the driver who crashed into a convention center wished his car wasn't so fast.

@@davidlewis4399 Saying that having "insane speed" is something negative and that some how is bad, is like saying that it's better to get a score of 70 because if your get a 90 you are too smart. The speed is there you use it if you want to. It's not like the car can only be driven at high speeds. Looks are subjective. You might like red, I might like blue and there is nothing wrong with that. When making comparisons we have to look for what can be measured without bias. When comparing EVs, look for efficiency, charging speed, capacity, performance, range, availability of charging stations, how easy is to update or fix the vehicle's software and so on. If the idea is to get more EVs on the road, we need choices, Tesla can't and shouldn't do it alone. We need more EVs from every manufacturer and we need people to buy those EVs. There is so much addressable market when it comes to EVs that any company making EVs is going to sell all the EVs they sell. That's why you see people waiting almost a year for their EV. When it comes to EVs, at least for now Tesla is the leader and that's a fact, no other company comes close to the number of EVs they sell. That might change in the future but for now the numbers are there for everyone to see.

Yes indeed.So glad I have solar panels, big surplus for 6-7 months to charge my EV, but in Winter charge at Tesco UK for free, long may it remain free.

Not really because charging stations will get faster too. A car capable of charging faster can get you to your destination sooner. Tesla will need to change to an 800v system soon if they want to stay competitive going forward. In the end, both efficiency and charging speed will be important with charging speed being the most important. Battery capacity will be a distant third.

@@theexmann You don’t need 800v to charge fast, the batteries can’t accept more than 1-1.5C charging anyway without being damaged, so 400v is already plenty. Could reduce copper weight of the car though, but I don’t think it’s too significant.

@@TheSteinbitt I'm sure both Porsche and Hyundai have taken those kinds of technical issues into consideration. Managing the charging curve through software, for example, I'm sure mitigates those kinds of issues. The 800v system allows to condition energy from chargers with much higher charging capacities. Chargers which will become much more common in the near future. And battery tech is continually improving as well. Those are the two achilles heels for mass EV adoption right now--battery efficiency and charging speed.

Most people truly interested in EVs know that already. It's the EV equivalent to ICE MPG.

I believe it intentionally slows down after 80% on superchargers to encourage people not to remain idle? It would have been interesting if they had recorded how long it took per 10%, then we may have seen a clear slow down after 80%.

Yeah not sure why this wasn't brought up. They should be aware that starting the Tesla at that SOC was a disadvantage.

Testing should have been done on a much warmer day to test the full capabilities of both car's charging infrastructure. The Ioniq 5 was at a disadvantage due to the cold weather. At least do a second test to see what the difference might be.

Real world scenario you would never charge close to 0% because if the charging stations dont work you need energy to go to next place. You should charge around 15-20% up to 80% to save on battery life and be sure you dont strand yourself. Its the same for fossil cars but the thing there is we have fuel stations exactly everywhere which is why we can drive to red line (5-10L left).

It is not just 8 minutes. Multiply 8 minutes by all the charging you will do on high speed chargers over 5 years. Then you have the time loss. Also add mandatory service every 20k miles + mandatory battery fluid at every 60k. Tesla has 0. Then add 20% more kWh over 5 years multiplied by your kWh price. This all can very well add to about 10k pounds. In addition, if you add the same trim with heat pump, all the assistance etc. Hyundai will cost roughly the same a MY

My only issue with the Ioniq 5 and EV6, is the lack of battery preconditioning. Granted, this can be fixed with a firmware update, but they havent' addressed it yet... I've seen other vidoes, where the I5/EV6 coldgate pretty bad, especially if you have the cabin climate on, as I've seen videos where it scavenges heat from the battery, bringing it down to 0 degrees C as they pull into a fastcharger they were navigating to.

True, certified 11 bananaboxes storage room vs 9+1 in the froot for the Y. 😁

True, seats slide quite a bit forward too.

Not only movable. Also you can change the angle of the rearseats backrest more upright.... About charging ionqiq 5 on a colder day....the second charging session is a lot quicker than the first because starting temp from the accu is better.

Indeed in continental Europe Tesla are often avoiding Tesla chargers on their long journey because they aren't located on the motorways.

Tesla kills the opposition by making design compromise for aerodynamic that legacy Auto are not willing to make. The faster the speed test the better Tesla perform in comparison. also seems like Tesla have an edge on motor efficiency, especially on dual motor variants.

So Tesla better at not damaging it's batteries

@@alanrickett2537 actually it has been verified that high current DC charging is not affecting battery life anymore as it used to be. So personally, because I regularly commute 120 miles, high speed charging is the most important factor. And there Tesla has improvements to make. A Tesla typically charges from 20 to 80 in more than 30-40 min, and Ioniq 5 in less than 20min. It's a significant difference. I am 100% convinced that Elon will remedy this in next Tesla versions. All the industry will move to 800V charging in near future for the high end segment first (price > 50k USD)

@@FrancisdeBriey mmm not sure I believe some one changed the laws of physics , any charging of any battery damages it the lower the speed and the closer it is to 50 percent SOC the more the damage is reduced but there is still damage.

@@alanrickett2537 yes but we talk about 2 or 3% over the lifespan of the battery.

@@FrancisdeBriey also just check the 20 to 80 percent charging time on the model 3 it's 20 to 30 minutes on 150 kw charge the times you give is for a 50kw charger

Tesla appears to have a better user interface and map too. Possibly due to OTA updates as the Hyundai didn’t have the charging station on the map.

@@josephj6521 : the Ioniq 5 has better nhv, comfort, 800v, v2l, but the Y is more efficient.

@@tooltalk I couldn't live with the ugliness of the Ioniq 5

@@sargfowler9603 : same here. I couldn't stand Tesla's ugly look, or their faux Swedish empty interior. That touch-only screen is abomination.

@@tooltalk 800V isn't really adding anything though, if the Y is more performant and needs less time to charge on its 400V system. The only + I see for the Ioniq is the power outlet.

Hihi. Nice reading. I like it. Technically it is "you don't fail with any of them but the Ioniq gets you a bit closer to failing", I guess. And with 10 degree less outside temperature the Ioniq might very well have felt like a huge failure.

@@NO3V Hi, thanks for the correction. i am not a native speaker, have not used my English a lot lately. However, looks you got my intention right. The problem of the Ioniq with 10 degree less may not be a bigger problem in the UK; here in Germany we may have lesser temperatures more often. I expect Hyundai to provide for a solution for the Colgate problem soon. Don't you think so?

@@Bessunger We have plenty of colder months November to March will not be kind to EV's even in the UK reason I wont buy one yet.

@@davidlewis4399 we have been driving the ZOE for 6 years now, last year we got the recent model. I can assure you, it is working. Due to the positive experience I have ordered a BEV and will then sell our last ICE car. It is easier to live with a BEV than you think.

@@davidlewis4399 It's perfectly fine, I've done >300km trips in near 0 temperatures. Remember, anyone with home charging leaves with the battery full and the car/batt fully heated up. Stopping for 10 to 20 mins for a hot beverage/bathroom break every 200 - 250 ish kms is a good idea anyway.

Crossing 550 miles in France in my eTron 55 took 88 minutes of charging mostly at Ionity stations. The eTron holds its max rate of 150kwh all the way to 80%, one of the best cars of its generation (2019 release). Amazing how much better the Hyundai E-GMP cars are, but I was expecting them to be more efficient considering how good the original Ioniq and Kona are.

Sorry, it's ugly as sin!

Hyundai 🤢

i fear that the ioniq design will age as bad as Citroen Cactus. It was wow at first sight, but now when you look at the details it just look weird.

IMO it was a fair comparison, so if the Tesla fans are happy, it's just based on the facts. ;)

No, it isn't. Because miles added per hour is relevant to your driving. It can be 100 miles in the dead winter at highway speeds of 100mph in Germany or 400 miles in summer in slow English or Norwegian roads. So no, it isn't useful at all. Only useful metric is avg. charging speed in kW (for let's say 10-60%, 10-70%, 10-80%) + kWh/m(kWh/km) at speed X... Then you can do your own math...

@@marcusbiller867 for head to head charge speed "races" on cars with different sized batteries and different efficiencies, with a method of charging most likely to be used for motorway driving (the efficiencies of which will be known from the "race" they are doing)... I would argue "miles added per hour" is extremely useful, particularly as most people will want to know how long they need to wait around to complete their journey

@@ozboz1995 "how long will they need for journey": And exactly this information they will never have as the test will never ever match their driving consumption on that particular day they will be driving. Sorry, but no matter how you turn your arguments, they are still wrong... You will still have to use a bit of 2nd grade math and use avg kW speed and your current consumption. Or get a Tesla and it will calculate it for you...

@@marcusbiller867 yes, but it is a *comparison*, between two cars on the same day in the same conditions. So comparing the range they can add per time is information that most people want, particularly when *comparing* cars, charging, and efficiency..

@@ozboz1995 no it is not a comparison. It is a comparison of a moment... This information is irrelevant if they travel at higher speeds, at lower speeds, if the outside temp is 5 degrees warmer etc. Like I said, you should really give up, you are digging your own hole deeper and deeper bz continuing...

I got the opposite impression, almost 100km longer range is massive, and it means I’ll almost never need to charge on my frequent trips, and can even do a return trip with no problem on most routes. This makes a massive difference for me. On really long trips charging speed becomes more important, but I’d rather fly those distances.

Almost certainly not as a) they only come from Austin and are only sold in the US and b) Austin are not making RHD models anyway.

Not one Y LR has those batteries.

Thanks! Fyi You can go on your Tesla app and upgrade the software such as autopilot at any time. Takes seconds and then is active on the car. They have it nailed

Thanks for compliments. 20k price difference.. wow. M3 standard is ridiculously efficient. Brilliant cars with LFP battery. But if you need space, it has to be the Hyundai…

Evening Mr Mawson 👋🏻

Both quiet. Hyundai the more comfortable.

Is it really? Today, there are much more fast charging stations available than Tesla ones. That changed a lot on the last months and years. As of today, it is actually not much of a benefit anymore as it was when teslas chargers were often the only ones available

Yes it does,I have one and 5000 miles on the clock with cumulative 3.5 miles/Kwh, mixed motorway and town, AWD and 20 inch wheels.

You are forgetting something. 20-25% better efficiency means less kWh. With the increasing kWh prices, that could very well stack up to around 5000 or more over 5 years depending on your driving habits. Also - mandatory service every 15000 miles with Hyundai and expensive battery cooling mandatory change every 30,000 miles. That also adds up to about 3000 or so if not more. None of this with Tesla. Then you forget the 11k doesn't factor in Autopilot (standard with MY), no heat pump(even less efficiency in the winter) added charge time on long drives, wasted time. You are not saving anything, if anything you pay more.

​@@marcusbiller867 If you charge at home it's much cheaper though, assuming you can get an EV rate like the Octopus EV one which is currently 7.5p/kWh for 4 hours overnight. I'd imagine for most people they can charge in that window most of the time so the 20% efficiency difference doesn't cost that much more. Still more, can't argue that! Just not a big deal for me. Those servicing costs sound like they might be more of a factor, but I'm getting a lease through a company scheme so I don't care about servicing costs 🙂

Yes, better to load the "energy" page, it shows a proper estimated range.