Savage 💯

lmao

damn

I get it, that's how I felt when I bought Cyberpunk.

@@cdmarshall7448 I get it that is how you felt about Cyberpunk at release, I was also severely disappointed then. But after all the fixes, how do you feel about that game now? I'm just curious, I still did not play it myself but planning to play it probably later this year (after I'm done with BG3, in the very limited time I can spend on actually playing games). About Cyberpunk 2077, I do hear a lot of positive press about it now but it still did not implement some of the stuff that was hyped up and promised before launch. At least most people now seem to like the game though which is what matters. And I doubt that Starfield will ever get such a comeback because its problems are not just technical, they are also in the writing and levelling systems etc.

It’s not even that cool. Yes, all objects have physics, but they all behave exactly the same, (unless they can roll, naturally). A sandwich and a brick essentially behave identically in a Bethesda game.

Its funny how they hype up the most useless shit that adds nothing to the gameplay. Remember how todd hyped up button panels in FO4? and used it as a way to drive how they cared about details? Its stupid how we fall for this shit at first thinking its awesome only to find out how little it matters in the grand scheme of things

​@@UnityAgainstJewishEvilthank you! Finally somebody gets it.

should have called it "Sandwich Field" then

But "I spawned 1000 cheese wheels in Skyrim" and "I spawned 1000 watermelons on the top of a mountain in Oblivion" have both been viral videos for over a decade, so I'm not even sure what was supposedly novel about it.

Todd Howard the eldritch horror

Agreed. That being said, I did enjoy the time spent playing. It is a good game, not a great game.

Same here. So much just seemed so lazily implemented. Between the story/plot, the characters, and a vast majority of the quests you would think they rushed this thing out asap...

which is a shock cuz morrowind and oblivion had some great quests, where did those writers go?

"The constant loading screens didnt bother me because they werent long" is such a hilarious way to think. Bethesda pilled af

Yeah, my main issue is the writing. It feels like they went too safe and ended up with no depth and creativity, “meh” is how I describe it, although there are glimpses of good writing. The whole thing seems to have been written for 10 years old, including cringe/cheesy characters like Barrett and a pirate faction that feels menacing as a kid’s cartoon. My opinion is based on comparisons with other AAA games I played. The maelstrom from Cyberpunk 2077 feel really crazy and menacing, they have gore and behave violently.

I actually can apply those same feelings and pain points to Dragon's Dogma 2 tbh.

​​@@lexiconprime7211 DD2 was overhyped and only got attention because journalists and fans lied about it being just as good as Elden ring. It's not even close. I bet a lot of people regret buying it.

@@user-hq6kn5vp2q I'm not a huge fan of Elden Ring, but yes I would agree it's a more engaging experience overall than DD2 is.

Exactly problem with the Bethesda games as of late. They were just garbo designed the bugs, and things just slapped you in the face first.

easy way to "fix" it.., add 3x big DLCs, each bigger than Far Harbor or Nuka World, each with full explorable maps (like Far Habor or Nuka World).., having 3 big new full maps could change a lot..

I bet it has a couple well placed holes.

@@shadowminor the eyes

Don't pretend you wouldn't sleep with a cardboard cut out Tod Howard if you had one 👀

@@bagelbomb1887 it's Todd... TODD....

Then Starfield is done. Diablo 4, on the other hand, is getting reworked and people are starting to enjoy it for real now.

​@@viniciusbertucciloot reborn cant come soon enough.

@@viniciusbertuccifallout 76 and 4 was also done. It took yrs of updates and dlc, and ofc mods(4)

Really? What was his / her name?

@@Thepilotepisode It was a work interview, so I won't reveal a specific name in case it can come back negatively on them. I will say it was someone who held high positions on the dev teams for multiple projects at Bethesda, not just on Starfield.

I quit long before that.

anyone frequenting reddit in general is a “poor guy” lol

@@SobeCrunkMonster Comments like this makes me cringe

Makes me wonder what they're even doing at Bethesda all day

Especially when games like BG3 and helldivers are just dropping content and patches left and right. It's an embarrassing look for Bethesda.

​@@daizenmarcurioReddit moment(?

One of the biggest moments for me was when I found a free Vanguard ship on the moon, just sitting there for the taking right beside where my ship landed. It was right after I just happened to join the Vanguard and thought "hey this is cool, I have a new ship to match my new faction!" I was a bit excited at first, then it really sunk in that what ship I use is completely pointless. I can go to other planets without getting inside it at all, the game doesn't recognize it as being any different than any other ship, and it serves no real purpose in the game at all.

THIS is the singular problem with Starfield. It is lacking a map (or maps) where you are free to stumble into all the little things they have hidden within it. Skyrim works because of it. Fallout works because of it.

I'm sure I saw a video or comment on that the actually seeds are also not fixed, meaning you can go to another planet then back to where you just was and that same spot will now be different because its loaded a new seed. Unless there's a base.

Starfield could have been a much better game if the story had taken place in our solar system. Spreading out quest and exploration across 1000+ planets dilutes the gameplay into something that feels far too empty and troublesome to even bother with IMO

It was obvious before release just saying, Bethesda aren't wizards who make the impossible, possible. In another console generation or so, it might be possible. I enjoyed Starfield for what it was, but the problem with gamers nowadays is creating unrealistic expectations in their heads

EXACTLY! hit the nail on the head. And even other games with big open worlds and exploration and recourse gathering etc suffer from this at a certain point but in Starfield it is in an all time high. When you ask a gamer to waste time on things and grind etc you have to offer the reward for it otherwise the gamer will feel that he simply wasted time of his life. Things should be rewarding, especially when they can waste a lot of time. Why should i gather recourses if those recourses don't allow me to do great stuff with them and smart ways to use them. Sure building a ship might be fun by itself to a certain point but a reason you are building it is because you want to see it out there doing cool stuff and the way you designed it have an impact. Is like asking an architect to build a great building, sure he might enjoy designing a cool awesome building but if you tell him afterwards that his amazing creation will be built in the middle of the desert where no human will ever step in it or see it then no matter how enjoyable he thought designing a cool building was he will feel disappointed. The guy probably put a lot of effort in ways his building will be great to live in and now he realises no one is gonna live in anyway.

Not to mention that Fo:NV is a much better game, in pretty much every aspect, and it came out almost 14 years ago.

I was setting up my next Fo4 modlist with this video playing in the background lol

​@speedingpullet7400 Gameplay is better in Starfield but as an over game New vegas hands down.

Fallout 76 has 11k lol that says a lot about Star Field

Fallout 76 having more players is the ultimate meme

I’ve heard them be described as “a triple A studio that thinks it’s a small indie studio”, it’s why they take no responsibility or think they can avoid it “we aren’t a huge studio, we are still learning” (despite being in the industry for 25+ years and apparently learning NOTHING)

@@samuelfawell9159 i dont think they have enough skill or talent to get a triple A chip, thats why they keep biting off more than they can chew and throwing it away when they realize they dont have what it takes to make it work.

My question is why don't they just accept that to themselves and stop trying to make these giant open worlds when even the engine can't handle it anymore? I could actually see them making smaller titles with that engine if they know it's strengths and don't tax tf out of it or even aim for a way less taxing artstyle instead of photo realism when they keep getting memed on for ugly characters

@@alphamuplays1669 starfield honestly astonishes me, their first new IP in 25 years, and they make choices that a indie studio making their first game would know, they regressed from what they have learned in their entire time. They took aspects of from their previous games and replicated them worse than originally. Emil was PROUD of not using a design documents, Todd was PROUD of having so much boring content.

Bethesda doesn't understand what made their games good, so they keep clipping off bits of the charm with every release.

One of the biggest problems is that Starfield’s design itself is broken. They tried to force NASApunk and explorable open world RPG mechanics together and it made a giant steaming heap of shit. Nasapunk kind of thrives on being on rails to some degree. The universe is beautiful and you can get that across if the player is somewhat restricted in what they can explore. Lone Echo is a great example of that. The problem is they wanted Skyrim or Fallout without a wacky enough, engaging world to actually explore. Instead of making dense, curiosity sparking landscapes like with their previous games, they made barren unengaging wastelands then made excuses about how many planets they put in the game. Hell, they didn’t even allow actual space exploration like No Man’s Sky did. They chose two designs in the NASApunk style, and the open world RPG genre and didn’t realize they didn’t have the incredible genius and absurd work requirement it would take to make those beneficial to each other instead of clashing. It all resulted in an unfinished, empty, boring experience that leaves EVERYTHING to be desired. Can the game be improved? Yeah. Can it be fixed? No. It’s far too late to abandon either of those design choices, and its not just the gameplay that’s broken but the entire design of the game.

Or, you could just roll it in glitter.

If it doesn't break when dropped, it doesn't really do the physics very well!

Physics enabled Static meshes isn't really that big of a thing for most engines these days, almost all of em can do it really easily and the fact that its considered one of the main feature of creation engine speaks volume how weak it is. I make games as hobby in Unreal, and I try to keep most things as physics based as possible. You know how much time it takes to add physics to 100 different props(can add or remove in runtime) in a level ? Less than 10 mins. And people talks about bethesda's props physics as its some technological breakthrough thats yet to be outmatched 🤣.

i think when they were talking about a object that is in the world could be placed and have the physics applied to it and it will always have these tied to the game no matter where you leave said item is a cool feature, i had a experience related to this the other day i probably should have recorded it. i was playing FO4 modded, i allied myself with the gangs in Nuka world but i was getting sick of being friends with them so i pursued the kill all raider quest, well what i didn't take into consideration is how i set them up to be allied with me i also had a mod that basically saved me from death and i wanted to see what would happen with that mod so i allowed them to beat me, i was then transported somewhere in the main commonwealth and my quest was to get my stuff back, however because my gang's were allied with the minutemen i know, not lore friendly it was a beautiful moment until i wanted them dead lol, well i found out that every NPC that was a minutemen, including the ones added in by mods that dotted the entire landscape had all of my items in their inventories, thousands of objects scattered in all of their individual inventories and i had to hunt them all down within the commonwealth and Nuka world to get everything back, which involved killing every minutemen squad i had roaming around the entire commonwealth map because this was late game where i had damn nearly every settlement on my side prior to attempting on killing shank in nuka world, i killed thousands and thousands of NPC's that were previously allied with me, and they wanted me dead lol. it was the best glitch i have ever run into in this game, because it turned my game into a sort of hunting quest where i would hunt the minuteman down, i was having so much fun during this glitch that i didn't save any of my progress and eventually game CTD'd and btw, it's not that this game was tracking all objects, but it was tracking every NPC minutemen on the map in real time, who had my stuff which for some reason was scattered in countless NPC minutemen bodies inventories, so i had to kill all of them to get my shit back and it was fun as hell. i honestly don't know any game engine that could possibly do something like this event and handle so many damn resources all at once, is the creation engine perfect? no, is it unpredictable as fuck? yes lol, is it or can it be fun? yes absolutely when shit like this happens. like i honestly don't know of any other game engine that is capable of doing this all in real time like that experience, because it was so crazy and filled with opportunity, btw before this event the mod that i was using called minutemen squads was handling thousands of minutemen across the landscape and they were essentially all keeping the commonwealth clear to walk through because they were essentially always fighting some animal to robots to raiders to gunners anything within the wealth that could pose a threat to anyone, they were a true army and i know the story says the Brotherhood were big, but i highly doubt they could handle going up against the minutemen in this case as again i had thousands of them roaming the landscape killing everything that came in their path if i was with them or not, the game was doing all of this stuff in real time, not simulated like you might think, it was in real time doing all of this, that was impressive as hell to watch.

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w That's a cool story. And I don't think that the Creation engine is a bad engine per se, I just think it's not the right engine for the game they were trying to create with Starfield. And besides that, there are many other issues holding the game back, not related to the choice of engine at all.

@@TimvanderLeeuw i ultimately agree with you on these things. it's just i think it's a bit disingenuous to say that's all the game engine was capable of doing was through the example of the one object in the environment, i partially blame Luke for how he presented the information, because he used a very stupid example of how this interaction takes place in the engine, yes it keeps track of all objects in the world and they all have data that is kept track of via through the physics of the game. to me this is a very minor thing to point out and a better representation of the same feature of the engine would be to list the interaction i went through in that glitch situation while i played, actually it was more of a conflict with other mods than it was a glitch so all mods were working as intended, but because i did something that was off of the script that the mod authors wouldn't have likely accounted for of how you use these mods, it created this incredibly fun interaction and turned the game into an aliens vs, preditor scenario lol, i guess i was the alien, from a role play aspect you could say i was taken over by a Goa'uld symbiote lol some stargate lore sorry.

the main reason is the modding capability, that's the short answer, because they want to make money off of the modding scene, and they now have this now, it's just most people don't like that system when in the past it was all free. but it's not just the thousand static objects, it's the engine can manage thousands more NPC AI packages all at once in real time, no engine that i have even known about use can do this as well as the creation engine. is the engine perfect? no, is the engine capable of much more? yes and no, it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. like for example they are capable of doing the hidden load screens which is what they used in FO4 for elevator's, but in starfield they didn't attempt to bother doing this for some reason. like for example i knew starfield wouldn't really involve actual space travel and that it was going to be a limited box environment game and i knew you wouldn't really fly your ship on any of these planets, why bethesda thought it would be a good idea going this route after figuring out their engine was simply incapable of this? well that's something that i doubt they would really admit to, it's probably an embarrassing reason to be honest, which means they will likely never tell us the real reason.

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w but mods are free, and mods only bring back the people that already bought the game. Noone will buy a game just for a few mods.

The loading screen problem could have been fixed if they simply hide it behind animations THEY ALREADY HAVE IN THE GAME... There is no need for a loading screen for each elevator, when a loading screen only takes 5 seconds to 10 seconds at most. You could simply add in an elevator ride. There shouldn't be a loading screen to enter Cydonia (you should be able to enter and wait in an air lock just like every other building in that are generated). The loading screen problem just doesn't make sense. There should be no loading screens because they literally have the animations needed to hide them.

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w That's a great point about the loading screens. I will agree with Luke that this is pretty much a worst case scenario for the Creation engine. If they had made another TES game with how this engine looks right now and a decent story, I guarantee it would've been universally praised as a solid entry. From what I understand, this was a game Todd wanted to make for a long time and unfortunately he was going to make it regardless of whether production was panning out or not.

@@REDDEADANDGTACLUB your totally correct on this, hell they did this very thing in FO4, so we know they know how to do it without issue. it might just come down to laziness at the end of the day, because again they have already proven they know how it's done when they did this very thing in FO4, now that was back when the loading took literal minutes on the vanilla game, it didn't matter you had an SSD or not, it loaded slow as fuck every time. but now it seems they fixed their slow as ass load screen issue to only a few seconds, well i agree, they could easily get rid of them to make the whole experience feel seamless, they could also make space flight feel somewhat real as well, instead of instantly getting to the destination, i mean it is a space game right, one would expect it to ya know, feel like a space game right? i know they can't do NMS level of flight, but they can simulate a sort of star trek level of flight in this engine, what the player doesn't see doesn't hurt them, all they got to do is simulate flight out of the player control after the destination has been chosen, and simulate stars passing your ship as it fly's passed objects in space, no load screen no skipping to destination immediately. for Todd Sake they can easily do the star trek model without issue.

I think Bethesda has leaned on their modding community hard over the years. They've never fixed so much of Skyrim specifically because the community patches exist. Why bother since the community did it.

I've been in IT for over 28 years and I've learned to trust my instincts when I'm picking systems apart from a hypothetical standpoint. There's only so many ways a lot of this stuff can be done and your assumptions are probably not too far off from the reality.

Nice write up my guy appreciate it. Sad to think that even if they fixed the loading screen issue by addressing the fundamental issue you highlight it would still be a boring empty game. One of the greatest disappointments in gaming history.

Even the interior world spaces have a system where you manually have to say what to render from the player pov, so even those cells are not being loaded all the time.

I think you actualy nailed the issue. 10/10.

How are Starfield still relying on loading screens in Neon when entering doors connecting city streets when you can jetpack around them? (above / below buildings). A lot of their loading screens seem forced for no reason.

Exactly, worst companions ever ... after 10 hours I wanted to kill them all. The "universe" seemed boring, and the cities seemed smaller than in Skyrim.

@@Whippets Betty Howser is the best, in Heinlein 1, Adrienne Bardeau, she's the only one I could stand with me every time I played as she isn't woke, is proper old school, doesn't judge and let's you be evil if you wish. The rest are just a bunch of hypocrites, Constipation more like and aren't worth using and just are a general annoyance, it's best to just go with Isolation perk for the damage buffs.

@@RocketRenton Haha, instead of Constellation the group should be called Constipation.

@@RocketRenton "as she isn't woke" - My brother in Christ, I beg you to touch grass and stop trying to inject your culture war BS into gaming discussion.

Yeah, people say stuff like "But Cyberpunk fixed everything?" Ok, but in Cyberpunk, the writing, worldbuilding and characters are already in place, what needed to be fixed was other less important things. Starfield is a much more stable game than Cyberpunk was at launch, but the high school grade writing will never be fixed, it just won't happen.

Games are much more heavily influenced by internal and external politics nowadays. A lot of games even games like Gears of War now called Gears lost their weight and Intensity. Starfields gunplay is bad because enemies are bullet sponges and there's barely any punch to the weapons.

It does bring something to the experience.

@@sagearmaggedon7307 😅

@@sagearmaggedon7307 Yea it brings 10 seconds of boring stupidity when I can play another game and get 10 hours of fun stupidity. Try again.

@@LaZd- yet another person who misses the point. Like you said, just play another game, because you dont like Starfield. The issue with naysayers is they are casting the net of distaste too far and making too big of a deal about a simple concept. Interaction with clutter is apart of what makes their games and has been since at least Morrowind. Dismissing a features existence because you dont like it is foolish. Try again.

@@sagearmaggedon7307 it takes a lot more than just that to make a good game

It feels like this flew over people's head far too much. I mean what did people expect. It is Bethesda being Bethesda and making a Bethesda game.

@@Xsetsu I kept telling my friends it wasn't going to be good. They were shocked when it turned out I was correct. Just go play Morrowind if you want a good Bethesda game.

Indeed

They are different games with a different focus. Gamers should take notes: Games are different.

Paging in a nutshell. Working on a game, and memory management is easy when you blow away whole allocators instead of individual allocations, like in a tree.

You're right on the money. I wont care about anything from Bethesda til Todd Howard and his fellow old timers are fired or retire.

People are upset that they were lied to about starfield being bad. They're playing the game now

@@Thorn_416 Absolutely. That, or any BGS game has been out for at least 3 months with consistently glowing reviews and is now in the discount bin.

@@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo Once you are an out and out liar, you never get trusted again. I was disgusted by the way people who should know better, were riding the Starfield hype train.

You dodged a bullet, but games now in 2024 are Game Pass quality at best to be fair, too much saturation now, and servers being knocked off so you can't even play them anymore. Retro is now thriving, modern gaming is on it's knees due to the processes and practices these companies have decided to go, reminds me of the 80s crash all over again, could happen once more if things keep going the way they have.

I would take a handcrafted open world over no loading screens, regardless starfield needed BOTH as a game that released in 2023 under the MOST VALUABLE COMPANY IN THE WORLD

People defended it by saying use an ssd...but it is still bad its just less bad than an hdd lol

the glory of the gamebryo engine only using cells to load the world

but most of those loading screens are lit like 3 seconds. i never viewed it as a big problem like everyone here does.

@@EastyyBlogspot yepp, especially since the game loads even when it doesn!t have to. Instead of taking the elevator, wich grants you a loading screen, you can just jump down sometimes WITHOUT it. So why is it there in the first place???

Yea, but all these issues come from a rotten core that is related to the game's engine which directly effects the overall game design. The problem is and has always been the outdated engine.

Fallout ​New Vegas used the same engine as Fallout 3, yet it's story, writing, and world building was leagues above Fallout 3 in terms of quality. Yeah the engine is still terrible, but a good enough writer/quest designer can work around that to make something truly entertaining

because its "content", it makes him money and people keep clicking it. welcome to modern internet. its a stinking pile of sh*t.

​@@cyborgchimpy r/Starfield users detected

@@cyborgchimpy "a stinking pile of sh*t", like most AAA games nowadays.

@@s3nate22 eh? me? not even close. I never bought this game or have a sub to gamepass or anything. I watch a video or 2 about it on youtube and thats it. if you have more than half your brain left you could see this disaster coming from the moment they announced it. but unfortunately most people have less than half a brain.

@@Mr.MasterOfTheMonsters unfortunately yes. I miss the days that games weren't technological marvels and money machines and were just created by a bunch of nerds with a passion. now the focus is maximising profit.

All their experienced and semi-capable senior devs have already cashed out with the Microsoft aquisition and left. If they purge the company roster any further, they won't have any experienced talent left. Bethesda is a dying studio which can only attract mediocre (aka. woke) talent anymore if at all. And any exceptional developers avoid any explicitly woke company like the plague. It's over.

Not gonna happen. For some God forsaken reason, Bitchthesda has no writting team, writting is let to quest designers, who are lead by Emil, who's a close friend of Todd, so Hodd Toward will never fire him, no matter how many times he shits the bed

Bruh, just like starfield , the people bringing the studio's quality down is core to the company 🤣🤣.Cannot be fixed Its a scam company disguised as a AAA studio. Now that we know everything abut starfield just go and watch the "Starfield Direct" video again, you will realize just how shameless they are.

They need to bring in programmers or just switch engines but thats another ordeal of getting people accustomed to another engine

@@chilbiyito They don't want to switch engines because both their devs and the modders are accustomed to working with Creation Engine for decades now. It's practically Bethesda's exclusive inhouse engine and switching engines would mean both significant effort and cost upfront. Besides, few engines are (or rather were) more modder friendly than Creation Engine and Bethesda completely relies on modders to finish their games and give them longevity. So instead they opted to update and improve the engine, like they have done for two decades now. But you can only put so much makeup on an old workhorse.

I thought a similar thing. When I saw that I just thought anything those people have to say can be completely ignored. They're delusional or something.

If you only mod on a single instance and never up or downgrade it's suprisingly fun. Not sure it's a 10 since they all have features that are unfixable since broken mods rely on those bugs and fixing them kicks the can along the road. Play around them though and it's maybe a 10 if you've either stayed on Skyrim or OpenMW. Both are equally versitile if only Skyrim didn't handle script layers like hell and OpenMW hand AI package compatibility.

@@inybisinsulate A rating of 10/10 is supposed to mean perfection in it's purpose. The Creation Engine is not all perfect. Lets take one example like its strength of being moddable. The Creation Engine still has unnecessary limitations on modability that doesn't serve newer hardware today. Like the 255 esp/esm limit that is still present. I can take a game like RimWorld and load up 1000s of individual mods without doing any hacky workaround to work with the engine's limitations like merging or defining restrictive esl plugins.

​​@@MqKeezy While fair, the counter point to that is most game engines aren't moddable. There's a reason Skyrim and Fallout New Vegas are two of the most modded games in history, and that's because they were easy to mod from almost the start. Unreal Engine might be ubiquitous in gaming nowadays but very few Unreal games actually are moddable (at least with any degree of depth. Not talking ini config changes or making new skins)

@@pacmonster066 Well we cant really use that point either, because if we were to use an engine's modability as a plus for remaining point(s) to be a 10/10 engine, then we subsequently must lower ratings of a lot of other engines for not being as modable. We can also look at the Creation Engine's glaring weaknesses at face value from Starfield and it should be no question that this engine is not the perfect engine even when you factor in its modability.

Yeah. Bethesda games scream out for the kind of things you can do in Arkane's games (like stick a trap to an object and then throw the object), but they've never taken that step. All the physics objects are cool but they rarely add much beyond comedy value when they freak out.

The non-physics nature of Morrowind actually made it easier to place items where you wanted and keep them there. Who needs to find a "safe" chest to keep all your stuff in when you can just spread it out all over the floor of the guild hall?

Yeah, especially in a game attempting to call itself an RPG.

In fairness, Fallout 4 can be made pretty fun while also having abysmal storytelling. The basic world design in Starfield really is the worst part.

@@ModuliOfRiemannSurfaces F4 at least had SOME good dialogue, even if the options weren't great. And they had some interesting characters as well. Not to mention the world was fun to explore. Base building was a lot more important, and clunky as it was, I had more fun. Nothing is fun in starfield, absolutely nothing. Not even the "improved" combat.

@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Yeah I think we’re mostly in agreement. I just didn’t really like *any* of the FO4 storytelling with the exception of a couple small characters like Danse, Cait, etc

Yep, in the previous games they had Lore writers that helped bring cohension to their games. As far as I know they had no Lore writers to tie the universe of Starfield together.

DLC can fix some of it

@@ZombieGangsterin this case DLC would be putting patches over a rotting foundation, without actually addressing the rot.

@@ZombieGangster Bethesda already has a bad track record with retcons, none of which are any good.

They set up a universe trife with mech/xeno warfare, large scale ship battles, and land disputes just to then place the game however many years after all that has ended and everything has cooled off. The Fallout universe did the same thing, except what came after was MORE interesting than what came before.

@@masonmurphy2679 They can always go back to that era with some random multiverse DLC lol that had a drivable car in that recent video they made so maybe they could make mech suits and large ship battles again?

They did do a good job in my book. I would have liked some things to be different, but I got over myself. People should try it, it’s liberating.

This exactly. Oblivions RPG aspect was enough to make me overlook its technical issues. Skyrims gameplay was enough to make me overlook its crappy story. Starfield offers nothing to overlook its flaws with.

It cant be fixed because its not broken. The only thing broken is the people clinging to their ideal of what good or perfect is and complaining that Starfield doesnt meet the expectations. All people need to do is treat this game like any other game they dont like, and go play something else. Problem solved.

@@sagearmaggedon7307 no... it's pretty broken. There's just no accounting for bad taste.

@@ralphengland8559 The only thing bad here is people saying that others have “bad taste” for liking the game and being able to see value in it, and then perpetually wasting their time on a game that is apparently bad. People in these comments sections might as well be playing starfield, the way they flock here every time somebody makes one of these videos when they decide they need some views. I had more game breaking bugs and bugs in general playing BG3, guess that game was broken too.

@@sagearmaggedon7307 BG3 was broken as shit but the sheep wont mention it

Ragdoll physics, even one of the missions on The Key at one point before they patched it made the character sink into the ground, and it warped everywhere, again they go on step forwards, two steps backwards with these patches.

Had the same issue. Then went back to play FO3 and FO New Vegas and realized those same sinking on shelves issues are in those older games as well. Bethesda has had this problem in it's Creation Engine since Fallout 3. And they have never fixed or resolved it.

its kinda crazy that BG3, as broken as it 3rd act was (basically unplayable in my case) won Game of the Year. I really shows how we are starved of good games crafted with passion.

@@oersza I personally never had issues in act3, guess it’s a bit random but we have to agree they fixed it very fast (as opposed to Starfield being stuck with a poor storyline)

I wouldn't care so much about the procedurally generated planets, if the bases you ended up at WERE! Nothing quite like raiding the same base, 12 times on 12 different planets...down to the same datapad entries, and magazines on desks.

I completely agree

I was called a liar and a Sony pony, I had to post my steam refund to show people, no I am not lying. And no $169.95 AUD wasn't a lie either 😑

​@@Evil_gumby a big chunk of bethesda fanboys are now just xbox fanboys, and they'll even sell their mums to defend the game

I’d say 5/10 at best. It’s not Fallout 76 levels of bad, but it’s just boring.

You were generous. I stopped playing after 10 hours where 9.5 hours was pure boredom. Not even worth being free on game pass, because it still costs my life time. 4/10 at best. If you ask me to tell you name of any memorable NPC character after 10 hours of playing, I dont know. Most of these 10 hours I was running on Mars from mining facility at bottom to some office on top floor and surface. Was running Mars staits up and down maybe 40 times, going through 120 loading screens. After finishing Mars quest chain, I wad exhausted of this game and stopped playing. Probably worst gane design in AAA game in last 10 years or so.

And most veteran modders won't even touch this hot mess with a ten foot pole. Knowing full well it's not even worth the effort because the substance just isn't there. And neither is the player base to actually use and appreciate good mods.

@@axelhopfinger533 Nexus even banned a mod for removing the gender ideology stuff

@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Yeah and i outright refuse to even touch the game without such mods. Because any vision of humanity's future that diverse and progressive is simply a dystopian nightmare. And not of the entertaining kind.

Yes, obviously fixing a game into working as intended doesn't help much if that working state was bad from the beginning.

@@axelhopfinger533 Fash, go visit the Barbara pit for about 1 eternity

It's called advertising and people are still dumb enough to fall for it.

@NPK476 yea but it's more than just advertising with Bethesda. It's straight up lies.

No, no. We are just picking and choosing which adverts are worse than others. Cherry picking problems with the game that we dont like. Most games arent to the T accurate with their adverts.

@@sagearmaggedon7307 lol ok

@@House_of_Schmidt 😁

This. I played Starfield at launch. By hour 20 I was already putting it down to go play other things saying "ill come back later". I did, built an outpost, realized how useless it was and said f it uninstall time.

Tale as old as time People will put up with a lot of jank and crap as long as it has good overall storytelling and such is good, even in cases where the gameplay is that met (drakengard comes to mind)

Yeeep, as much as I had a problem with the loading screens, weak exploration, and shit AI, I could deal with all of it, but the writing for some of the quest lines (specifically Ryugen) was so mind numbingly boring I couldn't force myself to play it anymore, uninstalled and have no intentions of going back

I think the best videos out there that really highlight this are the ones comparing Starfield to Cyberpunk 2077. It's not even a competition. Starfield is just... uhg... it's simultaneously hilarious and sad to see Bethesda's new baby get absolutely clowned on by an old game that many people hated on release.

@@keystrix3704 Agreed! And CDPR has had a stroke of master level genius with Phantom Liberty. There are certain moments in there... well spoiling it should be heresy and punishable by the inquisition.

I wanna say more about this. Another thing they just didn’t have well is exploring to find quests. I really loved in fallout or elder scrolls where you could just get lost exploring find someone’s little house and perhaps they have a whole quest line associated with them that you wouldn’t of found out unless you explored. Starfield does not have this, and when it does, the quests are horrible, like finding a random guy comic books throughout the galaxy. The content is just too shallow. Remember killing greltle the kind and then getting an invitation to db. Or in fallout finding the cabbot house and seeing that whole quest line which even has a random encounter associated with it. Starfield just has none of this.😢

Even the Ships have been nerfed or bugged out, you got 2 land every time on a moon or planet, now you see none, and now see people trying to make workarounds for an issue that wasn't there, but it because of the way they are handling the patch process, which by the looks of it isn't being done at all with an QA in mind, and you get more bugs, ones fixed then return and new ones. It's just an never ending nightmare from patch to patch to see what will happen with your character, even NG+ doesn't fix the issues at hand, being on Xbox as well with no console commands also puts a spanner in the works. It's reminding me of Warzone all the time and all the issues and ones still in the game 2 years on that haven't been patched and are still there.

@@RocketRenton that is horrible to hear.. especially given how cool the ship building was. These companies leaving broken mechanics in their game needs to stop. It’s especially sad because starfield could’ve been great.

As far as random space encounters I came across the same ecounter 5 times in short time frame.

@@Ronuk1996 damn bro.. that’s so sad😭 they really dropped the ball on random encounters and glad other people feel the same way

I wonder if we will still be alive in 15 years

The real question is if we'll see the PS6 release of Skyrim come out before Elder Scrolls 6.

@@jimmyv3170lol, imagine xbox fully dies before Es6 comes out 💀

So true...good workmen would have updated their tools....they wouldn't use a wrench as a screw driver. I also think we gamers enabled them for too long. We should have boycotted 4 games ago and forced to adapt. Now it's too late......they won't be able to change for Elder Scroll...or the next Fallout.

Unless you're id software

Lord British is OFFENDED lol

@@StrengthScholar0 Carmack is a meme after his time at Facebook though

Agreed, as gone back to Skyrim, and ESO before Starfield came along, and it hasn't evolved at all in terms of quests etc. Creation Engine wasn't the way to go either, the bugs Starfield has will take a lifetime to fix, and they just keep adding more in as they patch using Steam Beta testers which isn't the way to go as Xbox then gets hit hardest with the changes and can't cope resulting in characters lost like I have done in the past 6 months.

Yup for me it really shines in their quest design. Skyrim and fallout don’t have space ships, they don’t have insane tech that can transport you across the stars so going to a person and getting a quest makes sense in those games. In starfield it makes no sense at all, have that shit be a phone call kinda like CP2077, I should not have to talk to commander whoever, get in my personal space ship travel across a galaxy do the quest than have to return to commander dumb shit to progress a quest line. It just shows they’re stagnant in game design and they don’t care to innovate. I also love the fanboys who tried to claim “well in game they give you a lore reason so stop complaining.” Bro I am a full time worker going to online college mofucker I don’t have time to jump around a galaxy just to progress a quest one stage to then leave again and repeat.

So I’m a developer but not game dev so I have a question. Are they persisting the state of all physical game entities to disk?

@@bcorey3660 yes. That's why the dev mentions the load times, it needs to load all the items onto a level. I don't know all the details of how SF does it, but because you can fly to any planet at random it would need to pull it from disk most times, although if you left a planet then returned to it immediately hopefully it'll still be in memory but I have no idea. This has been a problem in gaming forever, I remember coding text based MUDs in College in the 1990s and we added "slime monsters" that would roam around consuming items players didn't loot from mobs, because having too many objects would cause massive lag. This was our in-universe PE Culling system. Even modern games like WoW do this, instead they just put a timer on a corpse, and they'll despawn after a set length of time destroying all items (although some items will be mailed to you). Tracking 5,000 wheels of cheese between visits to an area, not to mention all the other items that are there is intensive. The juice is rarely worth the squeeze when it comes to PES.

but it worked in star citizen star citizen

@@vairoalexnder no, it doesn't at all. They added aggressive culling within days. There is no real persistence in their persistence entity system. They're trying to throw more and more server virtual hardware at the problem, something a game like SF can't do because they need to run on consoles or an individual PC. The combination of static meshing and PES is a massive cost sink on the back end in a game still in Alpha after spending 700M on development. If you think it "works" you are sadly mistaken.

@@andrewshandle IKR, I remember when all the hangar areas just about anywhere you went were clogged with debris. There were many times I had to 'thread the needle' just to get my ship out of the hangar without blowing up...

Yeah it wasn’t “let’s have this cool sci fi world with aliens and factions and space pirates that do this and we’ll have this cool city that’s a crime den and dangerous.” It was “okay we got the green light for a sci fi game everyone break up into groups and come up with one sci fi trope and will fit it in where we can. 1 alien quest line entirely removed from the rest of the game? Sure why not. Space pirates? Hell yeah, but to maintain our ESRB rating you won’t be able to join them necessarily. A grimy slum world full of corruption? Nice grab one other guy and both of you build that by yourselves, also ESRB rating so don’t make it to grimy and slummy, although players liked the strip club in GTAV so do something similar.”

@@garbearfar1394 Well put. Starfield was like a test game. It answered the question "What could a Bethesda game in space look like?" And to that end it succeeded frankly. It succeeded at being proof of concept. It's an idea of a game, not a game.

Bethesdas identity has always been in “lacking identity”. They make a bunch of different things and patchwork it together. This is not new.

@@sagearmaggedon7307 Skyrim had identity out the wazoo. Solid consistent art design, interconnected world, developed systems that interacted well in conjunction with each other. It didn't feel like a "generic fantasy game" that Oblivion for instance was accused of being on launch. Starfield on the other hand feels like a generic sci fi game that was a bunch of ideas strewn together to produce a minimum viable product.

@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs It is a game, just one that people are not the most interested in. Most people still dont even realize the changes they have made in their design approach. The perspective in which one approaches a game will impact how it plays and what a player gets from it. I learned this lesson well with tears of the kingdom and breath of the wild.

My 2 cents is that game development has seasonse. Its really hard to keep reinventing the wheel. It's for this reason Mark my words that gta 6 will be Rockstars last great game. Its impossible to keep outdoing yourself to satisfy the gaming crowd through the years. But I stand to be corrected. Bethesda had its time. Skyrim. Oblivion. FO3. FO4. So will rockstar. But you can tell me of a studio that has been rocking gamers again and again and again AND AGAIN consistently over the past 20 years. They all come n go: nintendo, valve, capcom, ubisoft, naughty dog they all HIT BIG them fans just get tired of the formula that won em over.

@@lonewulfmo9128 It's more to do with the corporate structure of finances. Once you grow big you start playing safe and make financially conservative decisions, a game had success 15 years ago? Well you're going to make it exactly the same with a slap of new paint, that might work with movies but it doesn't work with video games.

It was my one hope them getting absorbed by Microsoft Phil would've put the hammer down on them and forced them to ditch the tech and move to either unity or unreal 4/5. I'm convinced it's not gonna happen now so all I'm hoping for now is obsidian gets fallout back and gives us a REAL successor to new vegas

@@akatsukicloak I hear you...

@@AlphaladZXA that's an interesting view because unreal 5 apparently looks beautiful but too taxing to run beautiful graphics at 60fps + on current gen. Your not the first I've heard speak highly of new vegas, gonna give it a peak.

I feel a crash is on it's way just like 1983 all over again, only it will be copies of Starfield in the desert, not E.T lol.

But there is the super cool constellation!!!! 🥴

If you take Starfield and remove all the features that were ripped straight from previous BGS games, what is left? Ship building, ship combat, and slightly reworked lockpicking/speechcraft mini games? That's all (I think) For a "new" IP there isn't very much new stuff

But it does have space magic… done in a very poor fashion.

On the other hand, BGS has a relatively low turnover rate and it makes sense for them to keep using the Creation Engine because it's what all their veterans have been using for decades now. So I think it's just a business decision rather than being related to how bad or good people think an engine is :)

they are only using UE5 for witcher games and Red engine for Cyberpunk games

nah. Red Engine 3 is very unstable. The tools CDPR used for TW3 Red Engine 2 didn't work on RE3. So they had to make new tools. RE3 is a lot like EA's Frostbite 3. It s just so unstable that going to another engine makes alot of sense..

@@yamasaa Well, it helps that they've had a fanbase to develop the most important parts of their games for them for a good while now.

@@ainzu4062 Nope, it's over for Red Engine completely. Next Cyberpunk will be on UE as well.

Explain that to those of us who have 1000 hours in the game

@@UmmerFarooq-wx4yoyou are smooth brained, try going outside

@@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo lol

Yeah, unfortunately the game doesn’t have the same staying power as there previous games… unless you like building stuff

@@sagearmaggedon7307 not if you're role playing like panning for gold.

Eh it's not so much him being a salesman as it is people legitimately loving older games they made and hoping newer ones will hit the same notes. In my opinion, at least.

He's a clown, I don't know who is actually listening to him on their decision to buy a game, certainly not people who know he lied as far back as TESIV oblivion. I myself wanted to try starfield because of peer hype and modding potential not because of some conman.

Todd, like Phil Spencer for Xbox, is a professional gaslighter. They'll hype up a turd calling it gold. People buy into the personas these people portray whether it's Todd, Phil, or even Kojima.

Well, he's more than just the salesman, he's literally been the lead game designer at Bethesda since the start and he pretty much has the final say on anything and everything that has gone into any of the games. This time he was just out of his depth, but with him, ES6 will at least be as good as Skyrim. Though Bethesda would probably abandon the engine and crumble after he leaves

​@@GoodfellasX21I think you're exactly right. Oblivion hit me harder than any other game I've played having never played a game like that before. I really hoped Starfield would bring out that same immersive and atmospheric feeling again, but it doesn't. It sucks. It's boring. And worst of all it feels like it's trying to be immersive but just falls short in every single way.

I'm sure the Unreal bubble will burst sooner rather than later

They have the money but what matters is the time. Building a new engine from scratch up to the point that it's ready for a Starfield-level game is a 5-10 year effort. If they started now they might produce a brand new game on it sometime after Fallout 5 comes out.

They need to replace the engine! That's the only solution, even if it means no games in the near future! They are already significantly behind current industry standards due to this horribly outdated engine, and there's no update that can fix its issues.

Well - That's not really the case. Only this day there are 5 mods added on Nexus, and this week about 35. At this moment there are 135 collections (that are bundled mods). Yes there are a few modders that said they won't do much work at this moment, but that's only because they are waiting for the mod tools that are going to be released later this year (their words, not mine). So I do not think modding Starfield will die out soon. It probably will ramp up when said tools are been released. And there is still a DLC upcoming. Let's see if that change things too...

Just because that skyrim together modder said he wont touch it...by the way he is not big in the modding community. The big modders were the ones that made the miles of new quest/content styled mods. which they have mostly not said that. I hate how people few all modders because of that one guy. acting like he leads the charge of modders. TONS of modders are still making mods for starfield. even more so once the toolkit comes out.

@@Dahellraiderthe guy was big enough to report on.

Why lie like this? Despite still not having the creation kit, Starfield already has more mods than practically all other games outside of older bethesda titles...

​@@Dahellraidersounds like some grade A copium

Star Citizen solved all of the problems Luke mentioned but at the cost of 12 years and a game still in alpha with most of the actual content left to develop.

Both suck.

I really did think no way would Starfield have load screen for flying straight to and landing on a planet after No Man's Sky showed it could be done 7 years ago. Little did I know...

​@@ralaxgamingIndeed. The developers behind Star Citizen have been making their own tools to deliver the vision they have on the game, and they refuse to compromise.

@@BalthazarB2 Sure. Even if they do...