I bought a $70 "Domino" on Alibaba

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I bought a $70 domino off Alibaba and a $200 one from Canada. I test these two festool domino killers to see if they can cut mortises as good as the domino. The Tianli and Komax jigs definitely gave me a few surprises!
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0:00 Do you need a domino?
0:56 How they show up
2:12 Setting up for cuts
5:12 Edge to edge joint test
7:22 How fast are they?
8:06 Choosing the right bit
8:41 Face frame joint test
9:30 Could these kill you?
11:05 Edge butt joint test
13:02 The worst part of them
14:02 Center divider joint test
15:26 Which one to buy

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@Fixthisbuildthat Жыл бұрын

Check out these awesome tools under $20: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h6l0lKhelda8n40.html

@MarkK01 Жыл бұрын

Brad I do not even know why you would show the Festool domino. The averege wood worker probably does not even have $1200.00 us to buy this tool. In my case it would cost between $1500.00 - $1900.00 canadian. Even if I could afford this tool I would not buy it. It probably costs Festool any where between $100.00 - $200.00 to make the tool. I call this corporate greed and price rape on the dealer side.

@Fixthisbuildthat Жыл бұрын

@@MarkK01 this is exactly why I showed this video. I'm showing you alternatives to the Domino at a much cheaper price, but also acknowledging where the Domino excels and doing things the others can't

@ewong7492 Жыл бұрын

@@MarkK01 How do you estimate what it costs them to make it? Not saying you are right or wrong, I just don't have any idea. Also don't forget ROI on development costs.

@trekgod3 Жыл бұрын

Scammer posing as you in comments section

@AwesomeSauceShow Жыл бұрын

You could use longer screws on the Komax to better adjust the widht of the hole.

@Tool-Meister Жыл бұрын

I debated (with myself) whether or not to buy a Domino machine over ten years ago, back when they shipped in the ORIGINAL style Systainer... Back then, the “Set” configuration was under $900. I’ve never regretted the purchase! One operation totally ignored in the review is the reference plate’s ability to adjust to angles. That ability really opened up my comfort building with mitered corners. A Domino or two in a mitered corner, at any angle up to 90 degrees, makes alignment and clamping extremely easy. That’s got to be worth SIX STARS!

@yeahitskimmel Жыл бұрын

Oh dang, I usually don't even bother with dominos having the luxury of time for glue to dry in clamps but in that mitered joint scenario it really does seem advantageous

@halsti99 Жыл бұрын

imo, the domino is an absolute no brainer for any professional that needs it. as a hobby woodworker however, its a bit out of my budget. however, i have never really seen the point of all the jigs to mimic a domino. if you dont have a domino, just use a high quality doweling jig. those cost like 80 bucks and are great.

@Fixthisbuildthat Жыл бұрын

if you make money doing woodworking a Domino should be top of the list after your basic tools imho

@eggsngritstn Жыл бұрын

Yes, agree.

@RunarMagnussen Жыл бұрын

I haven't been lucky with the dowel jigs I've encountered in the past. The seemingly best one I can find here in Norway is a $200 Joint Genie kit, which sucks if it sucks 😅

@MrGuardcaptain Жыл бұрын

Want to reply to this one. I recently turned my hobby into my profession. I had the domino beforehand and thought it was a lovely tool that was incredibly well made and helped out. Since going pro its an essential. I would have to charge nearly twice as much oer job to cover the time the domino saves. Its reliable. Its accurate. Its the one tool i cant do without. For those who bash Festool remember that its a tool for pros, if you can afford it then do buy one, its a game changer

@b3arwithm3 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. How is this tool even superior to all the mortise jigs?

@kevinintheusa8984 Жыл бұрын

I got the Tian Li about 2 years ago when I was making some new kitchen cabinets for our house. In the past, I had used pocket screws but I wanted to use dominos instead for the new ones. I looked at the Festool and for the project total, I didn't want to spend that much. I think I got the Tian Li for about $220.00 bucks delivered. For me, it worked well and once you get used to it you speed up a bit. I didn't do anything outrageous just used it to attach 3/4-inch panels to each other and also put the face frames together. I made a jig that helps with the face frames and it worked out great for me. If I did this all the time, I would invest in a Festool but for what I needed, it was fine. I will say that I haven't needed to use it since but my son has used it a few more times on some of his furniture and he has not had any problems getting it to work for him. I will also admit it is probably a little more dangerous but I used a foot peddle to turn my router on and off and always had a good grip on the tool. I love the harbor freight foot peddles for my table saw and miter saw too.

@Wastelandman7000 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, for a hobbyist a Festool is kind of massive overkill. As in using a tactical nuke for getting rid of spiders. Like I p;pointed out in my comment, we can use dowels. We don't even need dominos. Its a nice tool, but, its far from being a need.

@bravesfan714 Жыл бұрын

Tianli seems like a really good alternative for many of us hobbyists. If I get one, I'll probably make a quick cover with a window to protect from the exposed bit - 1/2 ply with acrylic embedded in a rabbit or dado so you can still see the router bit.

@chunkymurps Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Would be easy to add a piece of acrylic that covers the bit.

@EPortillo5000 Жыл бұрын

The Tianli had a lot of potential just a piece of acrilyc on the top attached on the same screws of the aluminum plate, maybe longer screws and voila! Then a stronger spring and a hood attached to the red part that rest against the board to solve the dust colection and maybe with $50 in upgrades we can have a decent domino. Even the stop collar issue can be solved as simple as adding a thin piece of any material at the bottom, naybe kydex if you wanna be fancy about it.

@williamsanders6092 Жыл бұрын

This tool is an accident waiting to happen.

@skyehagen5521 Жыл бұрын

I have the TianLi, picked it up a couple of years ago. My hand got tired holding the router, so I drilled and tapped a hole in the top of the router mount. Then threaded a handle on it. Easier to hold, and move side to side. Mine came with an 8mm router bit, with a 8mm collect. Worked great with the 8mm Domino's. Based on your review, it looks like the TianLi has gone down in quality. My spring works, and doesn't fall down. Mine also has a different depth stop design. I've thought about taking the face frame into a machine shop, and having a couple of new plates made, something with a much smaller opening. Just haven't done it yet.

@Ultramesh Жыл бұрын

It looks like you could replace your side locking bolts with longer ones on the Komax to make tighter slots.

@UseToPewProfessionally Жыл бұрын

This. Plus a little larger is good since Dominos will shrink and expand over time.

@philipgwyn8091 Жыл бұрын

Came here to say this. But that would remove another star from the setup. 😆

@davidward1259 5 ай бұрын

This, and replace the hex key with knobs epoxied to the bolts for easier setup.

@aBoogivogi Жыл бұрын

If everything is adjusted with screws on the comex you can always get a narrower cut by replacing the screws with longer ones

@BigHeinen Жыл бұрын

With some longer adjustment bolts for side-to-side cut you could fine tune that tool. I know it's an added expense but it's still a 'decent' tool for very little investment.

@rufogallardo7168 Жыл бұрын

I was thining exaclty that

@Fixthisbuildthat Жыл бұрын

Yes, absolutely. They are M5 bolts, so easy to replace. Was just evaluating as it comes stock

@NicBock Жыл бұрын

The alibaba one is actually made to cut grove for keyhole fastener on cheap mdf furniture, that why the large cut. It just happen to be able to cut a domino mortise. By the way here in China you get the jig and the router for around 300RMB total (45$ total)

@aberba Жыл бұрын

I bought one from China. Yet to try

@Fixthisbuildthat Жыл бұрын

yes, I noticed that usage on the site. Makes sense why you can't do the joints I was trying. I'm sure you can get some crazy deals over there. I used to travel to China for work and I miss the days at the market 😀

@sdoggie Жыл бұрын

Dude you are awesome. Fantastic video. I've used the Domino but never considered something I can afford personally in my shop.

@user-mm9gn6qm7c Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this nice comparison! My solution is the Makita PJ7000, which is for me as a hobbyist is the perfect compromise in quality and price

@emillkim13 Жыл бұрын

Anybody else lurking tools you don't understand but are planning your future workshop? Love this guy

@vantikistudio Жыл бұрын

Loved this! Thanks for doing the deep tool dive on the domino and it’s ilk. I think you’ve nudged me one step closer to getting a domino for the studio 😅

@hhanger1 Жыл бұрын

I have one. Nothing else like it. Definitely worth the investment.

@daddywoofdawg Жыл бұрын

Makes me want to get the Komax and make some mods to it, faceplate, longer screws, etc

@Fixthisbuildthat Жыл бұрын

yes, I think it could be cool!

@colinfindlay4790 Жыл бұрын

Agreed! For the cost of a couple of screws, it could be a pretty good option!

@Craftlngo Жыл бұрын

If you upgrade the Komax with some home made accessory you can make it almost as versatile as the Domino (minus the dust collection) but come out still cheaper than the Tianli. I think it's a good catch

@GunSmoker Жыл бұрын

No need, there is a new version on AliExpress for quite some time now.

@GunSmoker Жыл бұрын

I have posted a direct link to the new product on the AliExpress, but my post was deleted :(

@Kleis1 Жыл бұрын

This is great info, thanks. I think your scoring system is inconsistent, but watching you try them out I could do my own scoring.

@testman9541 Жыл бұрын

Main question is, what is the point of a domino for non pro. I mean using multiples top quality dowel will result in a better joint (more solid and cheaper). Taking into account that those jigs can be used for dowels as well...

@thebrelon Жыл бұрын

I was first hyped for the tianli, but in the end a used df 500, even if more expensive, is still the best option I reckon....

@MakeSomething Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the shout Brad! I've been wondering about Komax jig. Great vid.

@Fixthisbuildthat Жыл бұрын

Thanks, David! I had just started shooting my video when I saw your Tianli vid and knew I had to order it immediately to do the 3 way test. I actually got the last one from their site, cause you sold them out, lol. Loving your new style and direction too 💪

@beesoffury Жыл бұрын

Another thing to consider about the speed of a Domino is ease of use. It’s really intuitive. I can go months between when I use mine but when I need it, I don’t ever feel that I have to relearn anything. Just do.

@Fixthisbuildthat Жыл бұрын

yes, as a total newb I figured it out in a couple minutes

@ipick4fun27 Жыл бұрын

I think the Tianli has potentials. Replace the spring with a stiffer spring for sure. Probably need to make up another plate to stabilized the setup for butt join. No way they can come compare to Festool. But I think they are OK-ish if you limit the scope of what they can do for what you pay.

@cszulu2000 6 ай бұрын

Add or replace bottom plate for a bigger one or add rubber feet

@tonydavis6487 Жыл бұрын

You could make a little jig with sacrificial pieces on either end..giving you enough to support to cut smaller pieces

@troibandy2139 4 ай бұрын

I know the others are cheaper in price. Despite the fact I know I'll be howling at the price, you actually sold me on buying the Festool Domino, and just getting it over with and smiling for the rest of my life!

@humhead08 Жыл бұрын

I think you could do the face frame end cut with the Tianli if you remove the big knob and clamp it to the stock.

@John-NeverStopLearning Жыл бұрын

Komax has a simple fix for the slot width. Loca hardware store and purchase 2 longer machine thread screws.

@gregariouswoodworks1270 Жыл бұрын

What a great alternative! Thank you for this vid!

@sneakyhippo8663 Жыл бұрын

I’m surprised no one is talking about the Grizzly Dowel Jointer. It’s just like the Festool but does dowels. For $99 the dowel jointer is better than all of them.

@Chris_Smith_burner_account Жыл бұрын

Came here to say the same thing. I love mine.

@billsimmons7754 Жыл бұрын

For the operation that required the sheet to be held vertically, that becomes a quite the challenge when building a cabinet that is floor to ceiling. Maybe cut those slots while on a ladder?

@backcountry164 Жыл бұрын

You could easily build an adjustable jig that would allow you to cut the end grain for cabinet framing.

@Don-ul6rx Жыл бұрын

You could add longer bolt stops in the Komax to limit the side to side movement.

@Bruce-sc1ph 6 ай бұрын

I think there's a part missing, there should be another bolt from the other side.

@paulhopkins1905 Жыл бұрын

I think I would replace the side to side screws on the Komax with longer ones with thumb screws

@waytospergtherebro Жыл бұрын

I like how you get to put your hand half an inch away from a spinning router bit. Definitely something an ADD case like you should be doing.

@jamesjenkins779 Жыл бұрын

I loved the green koolaid bit! I am curious about the clamps that had an adapter for the bench dog holes… where did you get those?

@coolbugfacts1234 Жыл бұрын

Those look like the 3/4" hold down clamps from taytools. There's also the traditional style holdfast clamp, you adjust them with a tap from a mallet

@ScrappyTheKnell Жыл бұрын

On the end cut, just put a board on either side. That'll give it reference surfaces.

@Craftlngo Жыл бұрын

It would help to set the piece flush with a table, clamp it together and use the table face for referencing the jig

@backcountry164 Жыл бұрын

They would all have to be fastened together somehow. A clamp would work, but if you've got a lot of cuts to make a simple jig would take about 5 minutes to fabricate.

@Juaret Жыл бұрын

Hi Brad! Amazing channel! I want to ask, can you do or recommend any video about basic tools to start woodworking as a hobby and doing small things for home? Thanks!

@mickfeller Жыл бұрын

About marking with the Festool, there are 2 little extensions with it that allow you to evenly space the domino's with zero marking.

@Fixthisbuildthat Жыл бұрын

yes, those would definitely come in handy on a larger top

@BigBenAdv 9 ай бұрын

What you can actually do on the Komax is to flip the handle guide plate 180' around to make the cuts - the steel rods ends then rest on the face of the panel. Unfortunately, that means your trigger grip handle is on the other side instead but it'll work if you really needed to make those domino cuts for the butt joint edge on the face cuts.

@skovbo65 Жыл бұрын

You could replace the weak spring on the Tianli with a stronger one.

@gregred78 Жыл бұрын

I guess you could find some longer screws to make the adjustment on the cheaper one tighter than it comes in the package. Also could make is quick adjust screws instead of Allen caps.

@cindyhammack68 Жыл бұрын

For the thin pieces - where it was too big, you could add a piece of scrap on either side.

@richardrodgers1883 Жыл бұрын

The Tianli looks like a better choice price wise for me as a Hobbyist Woodworker that just cannot justify the cost of the Festool for the number of times that I would need to use it. Also, I like the look of the Tianli construction over the Komax as it does not have all the plastic part's for holding the router so it seems it would be less prone to breakage. For a Production shop the Festool would be the better choice IMHO.

@sorenludwig3978 Жыл бұрын

A 50 bucks dowel jig should do the trick.

@MrClarkisgod Жыл бұрын

@@sorenludwig3978 I got a self centering dowel jig for $9.00 USD. Works great.

@CementRoots Жыл бұрын

look up Peter Millard's jig that you can build for free.... works like a charm

@doktormerlin Жыл бұрын

In 2 years the festool patent runs out for the domino, so I would rather stick with what you already have and wait a few more years until domino routers become affordable

@kobanagy 4 ай бұрын

Hi! Nice comparison. The only thing I'd like to be added is the stability of the "estool domino replacement" jigs on hard wood. You mentioned these have pretty decent grip, but since even drilling hard wood is a diferent "feel", i bet it would be a difference with these jigs as well (or not?).

@johnlocke3481 Жыл бұрын

Just put longer locating screws to get groves dialed in smaller

@glencrandall7051 Жыл бұрын

The Domino is well out of my price range. The other two presented here are more affordable but a bit cumbersome to use. So I will forgo domino's and use dowels or biscuits. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.😀😀

@Wastelandman7000 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. For a hobbyist this is not necessary or even needed. If you work a cabinet shop, I can see buying it to save time. But, even so, I'm still not convinced its necessary.

@ariseosleeper9819 Жыл бұрын

First time to comment on one of your videos Thanks for this video Enjoyed it and the fact that you don’t waste time jabbering lol I guess there’s no cheap substitute and I’m stick to pocket holes until I can afford the domino Thanks again and I enjoy all your videos

@running_rich Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comparison. After seeing these options I'll stick with my Porter Cable biscuit joiner and its minor limitations.

@bobp3738 Жыл бұрын

Bingo! 👊

@Fixthisbuildthat Жыл бұрын

the best tool for the job is usually the one you have 😀

@rd-ch1on Жыл бұрын

Biscuits worked just fine for Norm Abrams in the New Yankee Workshop but apparently now biscuits don't add any strength according to the KZfaqrs with Festool sponsorship

@bobp3738 Жыл бұрын

@@rd-ch1on I had much the same reaction when the Domino came out. What happened to the awesomeness of simple biscuits? And dowels?

@ScottS360 Жыл бұрын

For the price of the Tianli, I think the Dowelmax doweling jig might be a better alternative? I'd love to see a video where you compare it to the Domino!

@yblsd Жыл бұрын

If you read Chinese, you can search the same tool from taobao, the so called $70 domino tool is actually used for a total different purpose. However, with further modification, which I don't think it is an issue, the tool could work the similar way as festool.

@matthysloedolff Жыл бұрын

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@ClaudioArgentoDesigns Жыл бұрын

Also these jigs are in relation to the small domino. With the large one you can drill 12mm holes. These jigs won't fit a half an inch collet router.

@leveragedsellout9599 Жыл бұрын

@14:50, can you get clearance by raising the router a few mm in the Tianli jig?

@warrensmith2902 Жыл бұрын

You need to get an 8mm collet for the Makita router. Bought a slightly different one from Banggood. That is a combination of both Chinese jigs that has a ' face on it. It came with the wrenches, and it took me about an hour to set it up for depth and width. With it set up, I can do butt and "L" joints. For doing cabinet caucuses this is just perfect. I use some spacers to locate my middle cuts. If time, dust and flexibility are an issue, Go with the Domino.

@alexysb.7660 Жыл бұрын

It would be great to have a reference. I searched for it, but could not find any on Banggood.

@warrensmith2902 Жыл бұрын

@@alexysb.7660 Can't send the link, but here is the description GANWEI 2-In-1 Slotting Adjustable Wood Trimming Machine Holder Eletric Trimmer Holder Bracket for 65mm Trimming Machine. It will hold a slightly smaller barrelled trim for a HF cheep trim router.

@psychoticvenom Жыл бұрын

Thanks for all the great content, Brad.

@Fixthisbuildthat Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@ericmorris9660 Жыл бұрын

For the Komex, could you replace the side to side stops with longer bolts to have more precise side to side control? Also, I’m assuming the Komex is a cylindrical trim router right? Not a full size router?

@daddywoofdawg Жыл бұрын

I was kicking around getting one of those, but now maybe not. but have you priced used a Festool they are almost as much as new?

@dragonsuperchivo225 Жыл бұрын

Ryobi bisque machine it's faster like festool so I keep using Ryobi there cheap and does the same work as the festool, plus last longer

@johnshipps441 Жыл бұрын

Several have already mentioned it, but I’d prefer a doweling tool (DowelMax, JessEm) over the cheap jenky domino jigs.

@agdtec Жыл бұрын

Both of the cheap clones could be modified fairly easy I will most likely buy them both just to copy the basic parts and 3d print with the modifications. Thank you for the video very cool info.

@1pcfred Жыл бұрын

Don't even bother getting them because drill rod is cheap to buy. You can get a 3 foot length of 1/2" diameter rod for about $15. That's enough for a pair of guide rails with some left over.

@dieselrugg Жыл бұрын

I suppose it wasn't worth doing but the domino also cuts at angles. Oh and the depth, width, and height adjustments are cake! I grabbed a used domino for $650.....not cheap but it's awesome.

@riba2233 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video, really wanted to see a review of both this jigs :) thanks!

@Fixthisbuildthat Жыл бұрын

You bet!

@khalidkhansrunix 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. question what makes this domino special? Is it strength? Looks similar dowels. Can you get similar result by using two dowels next each other?

@apllDgrapllD Жыл бұрын

I guess I’ll be sticking with my milescraft dowel jig!

@TheHomeMaker1 Жыл бұрын

Komax ordered already just now I can see easily that I can make awesome jigs and replace those shirt and long bolts with heavy duty longer and shorter ss bolts and make that thing amazing so awesome I will never no matter what pay for festool tools that domino cost festool less than $130 to manufacture they are just plain flat out screwing people I make around $30-$40,000 annually woodworking and still will not pay for a single festool tool but the dominoes are cool and that komax Is my dream come true thanks for the video I will post some pics after I get my komax and make some jigs and replace the hardware and bolts

@thechosen2033 Жыл бұрын

Hey, i don't quite understand why you didn't use a simple clamp jig for the face joint for the Tianli and Komax. You clamped the pieces for the edge butt joint, so why not for the other one? On another note, you could use a longer screw for the side-to-side adjustment of the Komax. Greetings and thanks for presenting the tools.

@davidndahura7437 Жыл бұрын

Money has never been an issue on something that pays for it self, believe me once you get a festool domino it can pay that 1200 dollars in 2 to 3 contracts, I believe in quality and costly tools in the long run you have low maintenance costs but very high returns, thanks for the video.

@RunarMagnussen Жыл бұрын

As a hobbyist who's not selling anything, I can't justify shelling out for a Domino. Would've loved to have it though! I do have Peter Millard's 10 Minute Workshop floating tenon jig, which is without any moving parts and you use it with a plunger router with a bushing. Works pretty well! The router i use has somewhat decent dust collection. Downside for Americans might be that it's metric.

@RunarMagnussen Жыл бұрын

Oh and the 10 Minute Workshop jig does the middle of a board as well!

@CementRoots Жыл бұрын

@@RunarMagnussen I built peter's just by watching his videos.... I have nothing into it but scraps, and it works AWESOME!!! more people need to use there brain and now there wallet... peter millards jig all the way!!!

@bg3160 Жыл бұрын

for end grain, clamp the board even with the edge of your work bench. The bench acts as a stop. should make it simple to cut the end grain mortise.

@AB-nu5we 3 ай бұрын

I'm a hobbyist/home DIYer. I purchased a DF 700 years ago. Never looked back. I take on builds I never would have without it. Awesome machine.

@PoeticJusticeSC 3 ай бұрын

I didn't know they sold 'DF's seven hundred years ago. Without electricity it must have been hand cranked! LOL. I'm just kidding of course. It's good to know the DF 700 is an awesome machine.

@AB-nu5we 3 ай бұрын

@@PoeticJusticeSC Ha ha! Yep. English. Gotta love it.

@qazwsx000xswzaq Жыл бұрын

I have tried to emulate the "domino" effect with a router and a custom jig once years ago. That turned out to be not bad. At least the piece is still holding up lol

@erickdanielsson6710 Жыл бұрын

Brad, Nice review, Thanks.

@HopeStreetWoodworks Жыл бұрын

Jess'em has a version coming out really soon. Would be good to see a canadian version vs. the chinese versions.

@peethreeorion Жыл бұрын

I followed your link and the $70 Komax is now down to less than $25 (with free shippng,) At that kind of price, I can finagle some kind of a front plate for the situations when I'm cutting into the face of a board. As for smaller boards "falling in" when I try to mortise the ends, simply clamping a couple of scrap pieces to the sides would fix that. Again, not ideal... but neither is spending 48 times as much for the Festool.

@LightW Жыл бұрын

Have you seen that Levoite „angle drill guide“? Would love to see someone review it. It looks like the front end of a domino for use with a hand drill, but uses regular dowels. Anyone got it? Good / bad experiences?

@Craftlngo Жыл бұрын

One thing the Domino can but none of it's competitors is a plunge cut into a 45° miter joint. I would add this to the chart.

@optload Жыл бұрын

And the price difference is not that huge anymore…..please…

@ggumfory Жыл бұрын

0:56 that was an obscure joke! Had to think about that one! Pretty original!

@yeahitskimmel Жыл бұрын

Really comes down to how fast you need to produce if you need dominos at all. My wood projects have nothing but time before I can get back to them so I can get away with just waiting for clamps and wood glue

@nickbrutanna9973 Жыл бұрын

Betting a fix for the Komax would be to get a longer screw/bolt?

@timblu4119 Жыл бұрын

Where can you buy these Tianli jigs? Having trouble finding on EBay or anywhere, thanks.

@joeladam742 Жыл бұрын

Did you take a look at the loose tenon jigs designed by some of your fellow KZfaq content creators … Peter Millard and tamara 3x3. They are made out wood and work with a plunge router and a bushing.

@itsJoshWashington Жыл бұрын

You NEED to add in one more video with one more product: CHICAGO ELECTRIC (Harbor Freight) - 4 in. Biscuit Plate Joiner, $70 I bought one. Worked like a charm for the singular project I used for it. Haven't used it again. I'd recommend "that" over something, beyond a doubt, for weekend hobbyist over people "making money off the trade".

@ChelseaPensioner-DJW Жыл бұрын

Just wondering if you didn't set the router so deep as the adjustable fence might fit, so would you be able to use it for the face cuts. Or maybe not, just an eyeball idea.

@4UnlimitedBEing Жыл бұрын

I'm so grateful for the dollars to maple syrup conversion! LOL!!!😂

@concreteroots Жыл бұрын

A really good overview, thanks)

@mikeenglish7063 Жыл бұрын

Theres video from the manufacturer of the red anodised one, that show setting up and using it.

@johncorrall1739 Жыл бұрын

I bought a mafell duo doweller second hand,for £300 about 4 years ago. It’s a great bit of kit,very accurate(bloody Germans)and dowels are much cheaper than dominoes. When the patent runs out on the domino,I might consider buying one. The price is off putting.

@SICresinwrks Жыл бұрын

Apparently it runs out soon from what I heard on another channel

@arimadx Жыл бұрын

@@SICresinwrks I think I've heard that for quite a while now. I think they make minor changes and re patent it over an over again to keep it for themselves. Maybe I'm wrong though

@Fixthisbuildthat Жыл бұрын

I might have to check that one out

@johncorrall1739 Жыл бұрын

@@arimadx Other brands can copy the original tool,once the patent has expired. Who knows,maybe they’ll improve it? Time will tell.

@johncorrall1739 Жыл бұрын

@@Fixthisbuildthat There’s an old carpentry expression here in Blighty,”tools for fools”. You’ll never get rich,if you make your living using tools,regardless of how refined those tools are. That said,tools,like drugs are annoyingly addictive.

@ClintsHobbiesDIY Жыл бұрын

Thanks. You gave a great review. I guess I'll stick to my biscuit jointer for now. $1200 is just too much for a hobbyist like myself.

@espressomatic Жыл бұрын

I just gave my biscuit joiner away. I've used it a lot in the past and hated every minute of it. Super slow to set up and use, biscuits are all manufactured poorly, etc. Dowels, pocket holes or nothing besides glue are IMO, all better options.

@ClintsHobbiesDIY Жыл бұрын

@@espressomatic Interesting. I've had mine since 1987 with never a problem. Just set the depth of cut for what number biscuit I'm using and center the cut for the thickness of the of the wood and go. Maybe 30 seconds to set it up. I've always thought it was simple. I've done projects with nothing but buscuits and glue with no failures.

@toolchuck Жыл бұрын

Biscuit jointers are really just for alignment such as panel glue ups. Yes, I know they work on small or non-stress joints such as picture frames or jewelry boxes, etc., mostly where the glue is the primary or only fastener. But they don't add any additional strength to joints that are stressed, like you find in chairs for example. Mortise & tenon, loose tenon, dowels or even full and half lap joints for that matter are the joinery to use where strength is needed. Let haters start hating. 😎 All the Best, Chuck.

@CementRoots Жыл бұрын

@@toolchuck yeah, uumm.... max out the biscuit jointer, the make your own hardwood biscuits in the correct direction, done... just as good or better then dowells or dominos

@toolchuck Жыл бұрын

@@CementRoots "just as good or better than dowels or dominos". I'm not going to try and change your mind about biscuit joiners, but this is more for the other readers of this thread. So, here's a little history of the biscuit jointer. The biscuit joining system was invented in 1956 in Liestal, Switzerland by Hermann Steiner. Steiner opened his carpenter's shop in 1944, and, in the middle of the 1950s, while looking for a simple means of joining the recently introduced chipboard, he invented the Lamello joining system. Plain and simple, it was designed to align and join sheet goods. Now here’s a clip from WWGOA; “Woodworkers know that there are many approaches to joining two pieces of wood together. The key is to choose the appropriate joint for the application at hand. Sometimes a project might be subjected to heavy stress during its useful life (dining chair, step stool, etc.), and under such conditions you might call upon the industrial strength of mortise and tenon joinery, dadoes, or other robust mechanical connections. On other occasions you might choose to make the joinery itself a showcase portion of the project, in which case you might choose the timeless beauty and symmetry of dovetails or finger joints. But sometimes you are looking for a joinery method that is quick, simple, and strong enough for light to medium duty applications. In these situations, I commonly turn to my biscuit joiner. I find a biscuit joint to be great for boxes, drawers, cabinet carcasses, face frames, miters, edge banding, and as a lightweight substitute for mortise and tenon joinery.” All the Best, Chuck

@michaelb1478 Жыл бұрын

Bruh, the green Koolaid 😂

@danervin2530 Жыл бұрын

Anyone know when the festool patent is up? I’m sure other mfg’s have had finished POC’s chomping at the bit for years now.

@AlbertTao Жыл бұрын

I bought the TianLi jig a day or two after I saw the makesomething video. I was about to buy a similarly priced doweling jig, but after some ruminating I made the audible to get this jig instead. I got it through United Clamps for $298 CAD ($222 USD) and played around with it and tested it for half an evening yesterday. I got the 69mm (Makita) size, but my Milwaukee M18 fuel hand router fit in with some modification--I removed the back cross bar to make clearance for the battery and put washers in to act as stops. Not ideal, but the jig is built really well and I'll handle it with more care to prevent the guide bars from getting damaged. I may end up buying a dedicated router for it after I try it for a few projects. I made my own loose tenons using red oak cutoffs/scraps. All the points Brad makes in this video about the jig are fair, but as a hobbyist I came to a different conclusion. $1271 (w/ tax) for the festool vs $222 for the tianli isn't even a comparison for me, even if I bought a new Makita router dedicated for the TianLi jig and extra spare bits/different size bits I'd still be $800 ahead. The Festool is REALLY fast to setup and REALLY clean, but even if the Tianli takes 10 minutes to setup and cleanup instead of the Festool's 2 minutes I'll never make the cost difference worth it for how much I anticipate using it. I've been keeping an eye out for used festool tools near me on craigslist and facebook and they're few and far between and still 90% of MSRP even when caked in sawdust.

@dalesworld1308 Жыл бұрын

This is making me appreciate my biscuit cutter even more!

@Wastelandman7000 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing LOL WAY cheaper. That and a doweling jig and you're covered.

@danakraemer8512 Жыл бұрын

You can buy all kinds of hex wrenches for 1,000 bucks and still have cash to burn. Love the green cool aid.

@rolandgdean Жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see how JessEm's new one works for people. Great video.

@198bikeracer Жыл бұрын

get the domino xl and there’s an adapter made for the smaller biscuits. that way you have the entire portfolio of tenons

@NWGR Жыл бұрын

I'll say the same thing I did on David's video: if you're planning on dropping the money on one of these chinese contraptions, don't. Spend the $200 on either a dowelmax or jessem doweling jig. You'll get a jig that's made incredibly well, and in the case of the dowelmax (I haven't used the jessem) extremely accurate, and almost dummy proof. The only reason I don't have a domino is because the dowelmax has been serving me so well since I got it. If you really want to use dominos, peter millard from 10minuteworkshop designed and makes an excellent jig.

@ATruncale Жыл бұрын

You could do face frame joints if you built a small jig

@derkarhu5079 Жыл бұрын

Ja, the momax could be quite easily improved, hust a bit of cutting, or filing....the stop that hangs out the bottom could be filed flat on one side so that it wouldn't keep it from sitting flat, and that one adjustment screw, maybe something cohld be done with that, too...certainly, if you only had $100, and had a router that fit... the tianli seemed pretty poor value for $200. Yep, maybe a good used Festool.

@TomDanaher Жыл бұрын

What about swapping out the bolt to a longer one?

@HERRESHOFFGSD Жыл бұрын

Great video. Thanks for sharing :)

@devinreynolds-FDW 3 ай бұрын

That was a great video again!!

@TheAciddragon069 Жыл бұрын

i found a jig very similar to the komax but it seems it fixes most of the bad things, the collar that holds the router is aluminum, it has a solid face plate, and the depth adjustment doesn't interfere with the face of the tool. it may be a better option to modify or make jigs for

@Monduras Жыл бұрын

Can you share what it is?

@TheAciddragon069 Жыл бұрын

@@Monduras YUCHENGTECH Mortise Jig

@lukasmatzinger Жыл бұрын

@@Monduras There is a bunch of them on Aliexpress, the one from Ganwei seems the best reviewed and is only $30 more. Would be great to see a review on this and if it addresses the valid concerns raised in this video! Lots of interest for affordable Domino alternatives as evidenced by all the comments and views.