“Okay so jay’s a douche, but he has good ideas” 😂 well spoken my friend. Excellent build and results! Let the war of the [ionic] currents begin. My V2 will need to beat this.

Video Idea: What about a small jet engine (from a RC airplane) shaft connected to an electric generator? Calibrate it to run on ethanol and you´ll have a carbon free electric generator 🙂 - Also keep in mind that tomatoes are disgusting

The secret is airflow. The grids and cathodes need to become increasingly smaller in each stage. I thought criss-crossing the grids would be OK, but it results in turbulence. You also need to create an airfoil on the surfaces in order to achieve optimal airflow.

Fabricate a duct to direct the air and then add a Venturi similar to the Dyson to see if you can increase the air speed.

I think we should work on building it's outer shell first.. Then we should go over the noiseless jet

I guess the next step would be a true bladeless jet engine

In order to improve your "bladeless fan" you should space the anode unequally from the cathode. the more you add a stage the more you need to space the anode from the cathode. it make sense because the particles are accelerate at every stage so at every stage they come in with an higher velocity. The same princip is used in the cern accelerator. I hope this will help Sorry for the possible grammar mistakes I'm not English

I love this guys goofiness, the outfit, the way he acts and speaks but it’s still in a way that teaches you stuff. Awesome channel (: stay true to yourself and keep doing what you love!

One thing to probably note is that this will generate a lot of Ozone while it's running, probably best to continue your experiments with a fan in the window to circulate air. This is the same principle in which old air purifiers work.

Would be interesting to see how it performs when all stages are encapsulated in a tube (so you do not loose any air flow to the sides). Another idea would be to rotate every second stage by 90° to get more even static pressure across the surface area of the outlet. In addition you could put a nozzle at the end of the outlet to increase air speed.

Back in the 1970s I used a 10,000 volt oil furnace transformer. To make something like that. Glass jar wrapped in 600 volt wire. Inside of jar covered with aluminum foil. You could feel the wind at the top of the jar opening. Still have the transformer. Will have to try your setup. Great video.

I would like to see your take on the ionic levitator from that video. Acoustic levitation also seems pretty cool where small objects can be lifted only by the power if sound waves. Keep up the good work!

Maybe if you used grids in descending diameter, inside a cone like shell open on both ends. This might be enough to make use of the Venturi Effect to accelerate your airflow.

Technically, it is not only a bladeless fan but also a particle accelerator. That would be an interesting development :)

Love these guys who do all their shop work without ever putting on safety goggles. Five years from now there are going to be a lot of KZfaqrs wearing eye-patches.

I use vacuum pumps/chambers a lot and using this type of air flow is a way of pulling an even stronger vacuum. Pushes air molecules towards the output to be removed.

Several tips to improve the fan: 1. Use a high grain sandpaper instead of razor. It will create more "sharpy" surface on the wires and should improve the performance by 10-20% 2. Use aerodynamics optimized design for enclosure. First easy way to do this - close the sides of your fan. Secondly, you can use wing-like curved casing (like in duct fans) on the side where air gets in - it will create low pressure zones and will help to suck air in more easily. With all this tweaks you'll go beyond 20m/s for sure. P.S. Also, instead of rods, you can just use one drop shaped smooth copper piece to improve air flow. Or just make the rods drop shaped.

It's a great idea. Especially if you want to slowly dissolve what the fan is pointed at. Mind the ozone, Integza!

On a whim, I decided to ask GPT4 if it had some ideas for optimising the design. These are some of the suggestions that seemed to have some merit: Pulsed operation: Operating the thruster in a pulsed mode, rather than continuous mode, can help reduce energy losses. By applying high voltage in short bursts, it is possible to generate strong ion acceleration without creating excessive plasma or initiating unwanted chemical reactions. Optimize dielectric barrier: The dielectric barrier plays an essential role in preventing direct electrical discharge between the electrodes. By optimizing the properties of the dielectric barrier, such as its thickness, permittivity, and breakdown strength, it is possible to minimize energy losses due to plasma generation and chemical reactions. Use of magnetic fields: Incorporating magnetic fields can help guide and confine the ions more effectively, reducing the likelihood of unwanted plasma generation and chemical reactions. This can be achieved by using permanent magnets or electromagnets in the thruster design. Active cooling: Implementing an active cooling system can help maintain optimal operating temperatures for the thruster, reducing the chances of unwanted plasma generation and chemical reactions. This may involve the use of heat sinks, heat pipes, or other cooling methods to dissipate excess heat generated during the thruster's operation.

You'll definitely have to turn this concept into a full fan that you could use all the time, that'll be awesome to see

Future Video Idea! 🎉 We want a 3D printed RC vehicle that can travel by air, land and water! 😁

Biggest fan here, out of every dangerous episode, nothing makes me more nervous than that tie so close to power tools, stay safe my tuga friend!! Keep inspiring the next generation and entertaining us all 😊

Love the videos, I would love to see a fully FDM printed project or a tomato smasher that uses magnets.

It would be interesting to see what different blade shapes do on a fan or if you used actual airfoils for the blades.

IDEA#1: Instead of the thin wire going straight across, wrap the thin wire in a coil around a thin insulator about the thickness of a toothpick. (basically replace each thin wire with a coil of thin wire - to get more surface area). score the coils across with a sharp blade like you did for the wires on opposite sides perpendicular to the the plane of ionic motion and score it the direction of motion (don't score the back). This will cause the pointy fields to pull in more ions of air than a single wire (kind of like a dyson fan) to amplify the effect (for the positive ions). Basically, you will play around with the laminar flow.

Future video idea: Improvements to the generator: 1. Use iron shavings on the wires to increase surface area 2. Use springs instead of straight wire 3. Make a loop of ionic generators so they cascade in such a way to get super high speed (ie infinite stages like a resonator)

I just noticed that you are using cylinders as the ground terminals for the bladeless fan, and I think that changing the shape to aerofoils actually might increase the flow speed, thereby giving the air more energy when it separates from the ground. Sure, it would complicate building, but the improvements probably could be worth it.

bro this is only legit my 2nd video and i have enjoyed both, i applaud as I really wanna take on engineering and want to give it a really bright image for motivation, again I applaud you, Sir Integza

Question: How much power did this bladeless fan use? This is just to compare efficiency of a standard fan or "bladeless" fan. Would be interesting.

You can build a wind tunnel to use along with your bladeless fan. Wind tunnels rely on laminar flow to work properly, and this thing looks like it can generate a good laminar flow. It would be a cool integration of two projects. Nice work!

Love it! As has already been mentioned, careful with the tie around spinning tools 😉👍🏻

I was relieved to discover you did these experiments with the garage door open. ...also every great scientist needs a Clara in their life for encouragement and inspiration 😉

The round Pipes actually introduce a lot of drag. Try to give them an airfoil design. The biggest amount of air resistance comes from the turbulence behind the tubes, that's why in the original image they are only round on one side and pointed in the other.

It would be interesting to see how well the ionic bladless fan would work as the driver for the oval shaped diffuser on the Dyson "bladeless" fan.

I really liked it and I will explore this research to use in other projects. Very cool congratulations!!!!

Great video! Here is a suggestion for a future one: Build an electric harmonica, using the reed plate of a harmonica as one of the electrodes of your bladeless fan.

I always thought it would be really cool to build one of these into a Tesla valve. Imagine the internal "teardrop"-like shapes as the high-voltage elements, either alternating positive/negative, or having the "points" of the main structure as the positive element, and the "teardrops" as the negative elements. I've actually had the idea in my head for while. Though I'm not *sure* when it first came to me, but I got really excited when I saw your video, because I think you'd be able to pull it off. You'd be the PERFECT rogue engineer for the job! I know how unlikely you'd settle on my idea for development, but how cool would it be if you DID?! At any rate, I simply had to share my idea, to put it out in the world. Maybe it will inspire someone else, even if not yourself. Cheers, and keep up the great work! Your projects and videos just keep getting better!

I remember Mythbusters making an ionic lifter ages ago when doing myths around levitation, and they mentioned the ionization of air creates ozone, which apparently isn't good for you to breathe, so try to be careful with using that thruster as a "bladeless fan".

You could use smaller versions of this fan to create a bladeless drone! That would be so cool and would impress Clara for sure!

you can use iridium spark plug tip to increase ions, higher voltage always increase air speed, coanda effect also helps as in dyson fan

Try connecting the wire grid with the tubes of the stage before it. At the moment you are creating a backwards wind between stages. You increased the distance between the stages wich reduce it but you could stack them back to back if there is no voltage potential between the stages

When I saw you take the fly back transformer off the motherboard, all I could feel was a deep sense of pride. I am so proud of your growth Integza. You have taken the art of tomato hating to a whole new level. Keep learning and stay safe.

How this could be used in real world applications would be a video I would love to see! Truly amazing technology 👍💯

Try enclosing the assembly so you make a wind tunnel type thing with an inlet and outlet. In the inlet try adding a bell mouth to improve inlet flow and reduce drag.

Real engineering has a fantastic video about a MIT team that powered a tiny plane using something very similar, so you could potentially track down a paper or two on the concepts. Also ion engines are very similar and fairly common in the space industry, so there is likely plenty of papers available on those too. Good work as always!

I wonder what effect (if any) rotating every other set of wire and tubes by 90 degrees would have? Or maybe even a gradual rotation throughout the stack. Would be interesting to see if you could create a vortex...

It would be really interesting to see how powerful or efficient you can make this concept. For how simple the concept is, there’s surprisingly little information on this online.

FYI: That noise you're hearing with the cheap HV drivers is their switching noise. It's within audible frequencies. You can hear the flyback driver switching/being switched too, but it's at a higher frequency.

For air handling, you'll want to create a duct for the air to travel through with minimal losses, i.e. put the contraption in a tube. You have a lot of interaction with the outside air via the sides right now. Plus you can drastically increase the air speed by putting a simple nozzle at the end of the stack.

Very cool concept and great results! You should try doing a smoke test with your bladeless fan, I think it would look interesting!

Got me thinking about the number of scratches on the wires. There’s a fine line between polishing and scratching. If you hit it with a really course scotch-bite pad to get thousands of tiny microscopic scratches would that do anything or if the discharge nodes have to have a bigger surface area than that. If the size does matter, maybe a stranded wire through a dowel where you fray the ends of the wire and run it on slow could be a way to get slightly bigger scratches.

I haven't tried this, but you'd probably get better results if you switch to an ultra thin tungsten filament. Cut them into strips, then stand them up like hairs in an array. You may have to coat the wire in lacquer or varnish before cutting to only get the arc coming out the tips.

Can you make a wind tunnel? So that in the future you can see how your projects' aereodynamic behave Is it possible ? This is my video idea Hope to see more videos from you Love y Integza

I’m happy to see someone finally make this. This was in my journal for the longest time.

I would like to see what happens if you swap the cylindrical tubs for ones that have an air foil shape. It would also be cool to see if you could increase velocity by adding a cowling around the intake and inclosing the rest. Maybe add some holes to the enclosed part to allow the Venturi effect to pull more air in.

About the flyback transformer from the TV, it has a built in rectifier diode, because CRTs work with DC also. They should put out around 25 - 30 kV DC.

From a safety standpoint, wearing a tie while doing woodwork (especially with any rotating saw) could end in catastrophe. One of the few lessons I remember from high school.

Design a wind turbine having Tubercles on the leading edge of it's blades. It has greater efficiency than simple blade turbines...

Brutal, como sempre! Continua o excelente trabalho.

Use it in your RDE to increase air flow rate Also place the the grids at some angle to rotate the air flow or genrating vortex which will help your RDE to gain momentum

Video idea: make a turbocharged camp fire

For a future video: it would be interesting to see if you can get the power to weight ratio to a point where you could control multiple fans individually and make an "ion copter"

Amazing Video ;) tryied it by my selfe and it works!!! thank you so much!

I'm late to this comment section, but it seems like what you mainly need are air guides. That's one of the things that the dyson products typically do well and you can do easily with a 3d printer or just paper(probably wanna line it with that aluminum insulating tape in this case, so it doesn't catch fire).

I think the best improvement for the Ionic Bladeless Fan would be to make it a Ducted Bladeless fan so that the Air stream would be confined and Accelerated by each stage without loss or turbulence from the sides. simply enclosing it in a clear tube would help, and still let you see what's happening inside. making a tube that exactly matches the inner diameter of the printed frames in sections and then sealing it all together would be even better

This is really interesting! I have so many questions; 1. How does the power consumption fair against a regular fan with similar power? 2. Is the air it produces warmer than the ambient room temperature? 3. What’s the noise level compared to similar regular fan? Also, could the same concept be used to make a bladed motorless fan? Great work as always!

Take a look at how the Dyson fan is configured. Especially the air flow. You can also check the design principles of a scram jet.

This is as a sick project! I love this channel!

Integza, you are essentially the sole content creator that has gotten me into my passion of engines as a whole! Thank you! Also Video Idea: I would love to see you make a thermo acoustic engine! It seems right in your alleyway.

Build idea: make a jet engine using household items. You could use HHO as fuel. A HHO generator is pretty easy to make with stuff found in a kitchen

Reminds me of the 'Ionic Breeze' bladeless fan and air purifier that was put out by Sharper Image back in the early 2ks.

My sons and I have a few ideas. - how do sling rockets work can we apply that knowledge to something around our house? - how can you combine two engines on one vehicle? - can you make a water rocket that would carry a human?

I'm sure many people have said this before, but you should consider wearing eye protection when working with machining equipment. I used to work at a brewery and when pressing bottlecaps on bottles with a press, a shard of glass or metal flew off, bounced off the table and flew right underneath the rim of my eyeglasses and into my eye. I got lucky and didn't get any permanent damage, but after that I've always worn protective glasses in those situations. Sure, could have flown under that too, but it protects from a lot! Anyway, GREAT video! ❤️

You could try to make an RC airplane with a motor type from all the ones you have made so far. Let's see a practical application of a motor

I have been working on a similar idea for a while haha its pretty cool how much you can move the air purely with electricity

Now this is going back on the idea of bladeless but I wonder if you could input a compressor into the current design to drive your (+) positive electrodes in a rotating fashion and see if more thrust is obtainable

Definitely should do a collaboration with electroboom to test the "child safety" characteristics of the fan design.

Hello Integza! I'm only 12 but I really like all your experiments! To win a 3D printer sounds great and could help me to make my own projects like you do. I have no influence on it, but I've got an idea for your next video. Can you make a plasma popper? You could shoot to your hated tomatoes ;-) It looks fantastic, especially in the dark and slow motion, and make a lot of fun. If you really build one, I'm shure that your video would help me to build my own small plasma popper. Have a nice day! I can't wait for your next video!😃👍

you should definitely build a centrifugal type “fanless fan” with the arrangement of the anodes and cathodes in a circle. these with an increasing angle of inclination with respect to the horizontal this should create a faster wind

Definitely need to make a hover board. Can even make a series out of the idea. Such as what type of engine/fan makes for the most efficient hover board. jet engine? ionic fan? Or maybe even a combination there of.

You may want to use a crosscut sled on the tablesaw to cut longer pieces. A riving knife on the blade helps, but if the angle of the wood comes off at all it can fling the wood back at you and pull your fingers toward the blade. Love your videos ❤

Well since you want more flow speed what you could do is actually copy the Dyson fan, use the ionic thrusters as the base of the fan and point them up, and use a round diffuser to make use of bernoullis principle and have faster flow (a flow that passes through a lattice will create a low pressure area and will moce faster), also this way you can control hhe flow of air and increase the efficiency of the fan. Another way to imrove this setup is also to instead of using strings that go across to use a flat spiral of wire, like the shape of a conduction heater, and use perhaps smaller tubes to achive more surface area and to pregent the tubes from slowing down the air due to drag.

that was awesome!!

Add a cowl to the stage to up the efficiency, make the bars teardrop shaped (possibly not easy) to enhance air flow (round tubes are almost the worst shape for air flow) and experiment telescopic or studded bar as stage separator to allow the stages and grid depth to be adjusted and optimized. Its possible that different stages would work better with different gaps

If it makes wind it also produces thrust. Sounds like you have to make TIE fighter now!

here’s an idea, try changing the distance from the two “dishes” and see how that effect performance. in addition to that try getting more voltage through it. if possible I’d also try different size wires and tubes, maybe using tin foil would work better instead of the tubing for sets in series. love the videos man, keep it up!

Enclose the blades on a tube, narrow the final output to increase pressure, mount the whole thing on a model boat and it makes a nice bladeless swamp buggy.

I wanna see if you compress the air stream, if it can turn a turbine blade attached to an alternator to help with supplying power. Maybe use it on an RC plane even?

I played a lot with the 'Lifters' when I was young and even killed one TV. On your drawing you showed that the second part should be a bit round but you took very thick tubes. I would recommend the Idea from the 'Lifter' and use something that is round at the beginning and then flat so you dont have that much resistance on the airflow. The Aluminium Foil (or copper plates) have to be bent over a round surface and then straight down. That will increase the pull on the plasma. You could even increase the effect when you use a increasing voltage on each stage (and a larger gap) because the wind on the second stage is already accelerated. When you have enough stages you will end up with someting like an linear accelerater.

You could rrange the stages in a circle and put them in an impeller casing (make the air go in a circle so it can go through more stages before exiting the fan). You could also used different sizes of tubes to see which works best (thinner tubes might mean better aerodynamics but i dont quite know the tradeoffs). You could also stick it in a cylinder, works for every fan so far. (Also probably helps with electric isolation)

Integza is so good a at 3d printing

Great video! The old t.v. part out sure brought back memories. I once used an old t.v. fly back attached to my car bumper, which was Nickel back then, to persuade some neighbourhood dog to go find another place to do his morning elimination. I judged the success of my idea by the speed of his retreat. It also worked as a theft deterent. The problem I found with high voltage ionic generation is the gases created dissolved some important things like rubber and skin and interfered with the Saturday night hockey game on the t.v.. At the time I did not know that at some concentration of hydrogen the air in the immediate vicinity will self combust and remove windows and doors with little effort. Also, I learned that the O zone is more than just a place between the N zone and the P zone. So try not to leave things on and if you do send someone to shut them off for you. Thanks for all the great info. Stan the power man.

Congratulations. These lifters were one of my early passions. 🤩 I really wish they weren't subject to some of the physical limitations with higher energies and sizes. Otherwise these would be amazing in aircraft. If you're going to keep working on this, there's all kinds of room for improvement in your design. Surface along your flow channel is one of the critical factors you need to optimize in the absorption. Time is the critical absorption Factor not space. If you want optimized emission grids, I recommend looking at something called hardware cloth. It's a pre-woven wire mesh that will give you structure as well as increased emission surface. I also recommend hitting it with a coarse grit sandpaper. It's a lot less work than the razor but does the same thing

If your high voltage generators have isolated outputs you might be able to combine anode and cathode of adjacent stages. The resulting electrode should combine the shape of your previous anode/cathode, sort of like a teardrop or airfoil shape (point/line on one side and cylindrical on the other).

*Dear @Integza - a few ideas to consider...* Use 'teardrop' shaped tubes, for better aerodynamics. They are available ready-made, for use on things like model airplanes. Also try alternating the orientation of the wires and tubes, and varying the voltage applied to each stage to get more speed. (To get a more gradual acceleration of the air.) Alternatively, vary the wire-to-tube distance. Finally, for maximum velocity, make the entire array taper in diameter and put it inside a tapering tube.

I would suggest that you use a flat wire with a sharpened edge mounted horizontally and in direct line with the tubes. I believe this would increase the ionic reaction. GOOD LUCK! I enjoy you channel greatly.

You should try making a internal combustion engine with multiple pistons and attach it to a vehicle of some kind

Hey Integza, I love your videos and I have a suggestion, I was doing a bit of research and found a potentially cool jet engine project that maybe you could try out, it's called the Pratt and Whitney General Electric GE90. A quick Googling of the name should take you to a nice diagram of it. I thought this jet engine would be cool because there are 2 combustion chambers, and I thought that was a cool concept to power a turbine with, maybe by angling each chamber at say, 45 degrees to drive a turbine delivering more power! Maybe this could be done with even more than just 2 combustion engines!? :D

Okay!!!!! In allllllll of the videos you have created!!! That Ive watched I think this is the cooooolest on all of them! Its really mind blowing that electricity can move molecules of the air this is like combination of physics and chemistry!! Im going to share this to my Electricity and magnitism professor!!! I Love It!!!! Thank you for creating this video!!! I think tomatoes are delicious!!! 😎😎😎

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