Oh and guys, keep in mind, I can 100% make an even better dogfighting plane, I just need to have less restrictions :) (Or I could do a more 2 circle-focused design)

4:41 I love how after the crash the pilot just sat there like “damn”

Ah yes, a plane designed for your average Ace Combat protagonist who's unique LACK OF BLOOD makes them totally immune to G-Lock.

Competitive Drone Dogfighting as a motorsport would be awesome and something I would absolutely take part in

Would personally enjoy seeing you make some kind of civilian use/non-militarized jet fighter for whatever use case, like a harrier type jet used for emergency rescue missions the same way helicopters are used normally

I feel that with this much AoA you need a transparent floor in your cockpit lol

you should make a plane with as many seperate set of wings possible and attept to maybe justify them

Its like a weird mix of f-104 starfighter and XO-2 strike wyvern, i love it.

Bro pulled out some Belkan-high-tech-wizard shits and thought we wouldn't notice.

You’ve done it. You’ve made a drift jet. Also, I’d love to see you try to make a delta wing biplane with an absolutely enormous jet engine that looks way too big for the aircraft.

this plane looks like quite possibly the most fun plane in any flight game. the reaction time and instantaneous redirection are impeccable and no real world counterpart even looks like it can rival this

Supersonic biplane (no tech limits)? Video 15

I really like your content, and really like the idea of a 21st century dogfighting plane. I hope you get a lot of like, subs and views have a splendid day!

Dude this is so cool, absolutely an Ace Combat type of shenanigannery

SU-47, 1.29 thrust to weight, BUT it's twin engine designed with vector thrust to give it even MORE manouverabiity

The only time I've seen planes hover like that was either high performance RC planes or racing planes. And you managed to go 65 mph in a jet. Impressive!

This plane flies like you can using bugged PSM mechanics in Ace Combat 7

I've entered a couple mock fighter design competitions for Kerbal Space Program in the past and can say from that experience that it's a mad fun idea

I have never so consistently whatched a channel, something about you is just so fun to watch.

Dang… there’s something so elegant about how this thing twists through the air, almost like a ballerina. Awesome build!

Now do a propeller version of the ultra dogfighting plane-

I think it would be nice to have some after thoughts after the montage, were you share some info about the plane like top speed, stall speed, deg/sec, range and generally your final thoughts

Hovering on your exhaust reminded me of that glitch in LOMAC where you could do the same in the F-15 at ~170kts if you yanked all control surfaces at the same time and going into afterburner at the same time. It was fun, but totally unrealistic.

Once in ksp, I built a three winged plane called the “Tri Wing Terror”. It had turreted .50 cal machine guns and beat anything else because it could shoot anything at any angle without needing to turn. It was also a supersonic propeller plane.

please this is so fun to watch, make more videos with this plane. watching this fighter dogfight would be pretty cool. it would dance around anything with the way it moves, very good design ❤

I've been watching your videos for a while and I've never seen someone as talented as you when it comes on to aircraft designs. It's almost as like you can do anything. I wouldn't be surpised if you leveled up to whole new league. Keep up the good work and keep surprising me😅

Amazing video once again. Your ideas are very creative

amazing montage! i loved the moves and the music fit so well!

FYI your canards are actuating the wrong way for pitch. They make the aircraft slide down more instead of pitching the edges upwards for more turn rate. I guess great minds think alike because you used almost the exact same layout as an X-34 which had maneuverability in mind to test the tip-stalling of the wings. Looks sick! From afar I couldn’t tell them apart but the tail makes them distinct, as well as the fact that yours actually has control surfaces going outwards of the trailing edge box. EDIT: I get the canards pitching down so you don’t stall now. Thx for replies.

Another great concept,build and explanation. Binging your videos.

Nice design, reminds me of the X-29 prototype. And it kinda is like a rally car for the sky: Point the nose in whatever direction you want and just go.

3:35 Robotjox is a early 90s movie in which in the future nations have giant robots reprecenting them fight each other and whoever wins has their nation win land and money. In the movie the main character loses the fight and his robot falls on top of a stand filled with people watching the fight at the arena. The funniest thing is that all the people that go to see the fights live sign a paper saying they agree their lives might be at risk. Later on the main character feels bad about all the people he crushed by accident but everyone he talks to tells him not to worry because they signed the paper and just to ignore it.

The garage cessna fighter sounds insane, id love to see it as a sequel to the drug smuggling plane

reminds me of the planes from the show Gen:Lock. very cool design, love watching the build process and hearing the thoughts going into it

There could definitely be dogfighting competitions in real life! All you would need is some standard receivers and emitters attached to various places on the craft and a pretty standard augmented reality software plugged into the HUD. Do it over a big body of water that's closed to boats for the competition and its pretty safe. Would be interesting but very expensive!

When the flight test montage opened with a vertical flat spin, I knew it was going to be incredible, this video, and this plane specifically might just be enough for me to get the game just so I can fly it

Man, this channel ticks everything I love about flying machines.

Bruh. My brain is trying to picture what something like this that has thrust vectoring control so you could almost VTOL. Doing some stupid maneuvers like some pilots do with the Harrier/Yak-141 in War Thunder videos. Awesome content. Keep 'em coming.

This is awesome :D And the sheer amount of agility is super impressive! It could practically be a tail sitter VTOL with just the addition of rear landing gear XD

The maneuver you did at the end is a real thing I’ve seen pilots do at air shows. Last one I went to, they had a F-22 perform it, though not as close to the ground.

That's crazy, I also thought of a dogfighting sport once! My idea was a bit more WW1 though, since anything beyond that would be impossible to actually see.

Watching that thing fly reminds me of dogfighting in Star Citizen with 6dof, but its a damned jet. Freakin' insane! Keep up the good work!

What about building an extreme high speed aircraft capable of carrying this dogfighter to intercept incoming squadrons? Surely, this thing has Ace Combat levels of downing multiple bandits at once. Perhaps the carrier craft can leave AFB's or similar in its wake for the enemy squadron as well. I love the videos, thanks for the content.

Love your music choice for the test flight. Blank by Disfigure is a great piece

It's like a collab between the Berkut, the strike wyvern, the harrier, and the rafale. Beautiful.

Thats an awesome plane, its one thing to see it being built, but gol dang if that ain't one of the best flying things ive ever seen.

The front view really looks like a starfighter, beautiful plane as always!

Agreed upon searenas where the planes can crash into the ocean and use relays to the pilots VR based controls. False reefs for corals too! looks very much like a single engined Berkut, I really liked that about it at the su-47 was always one of my favourite "what if"s

The competitive dogfighting sounds amazing if/when the game gets multiplayer... we just need to get our hands on it first lol, very keen to keep following Stone's development journey!

competitive dogfight is such a beautiful concept in principle, ive thought about it as some sort of televised sport in some scifi world where there could be some excuse for it to happen, but it'd be awesome to see some hyper-specialized sporty lookin jets covered in sponsor decals and bright colors just violently yet gracefully dancing around eachoter trying to get the upper hand

That's actually super cool. In an attempt to keep the pilot alive you could put a G-limiter on it. That way it has sustained turn at high speed while you bleed the bandit of airspeed. The slower you both go, the more advantage this aircraft gains.

This jet simply defies any physical laws, it's amazing!

Super cool design - and I love the idea of a dogfighting league! I know one of your design goals was no thrust vectoring but what about variable thrust? It doesn't make sense in this day-and-age, but in a specialized dogfighter maybe?

I first didn’t recognize the new profile pic and thought there was a new fly out video but happy it’s you. Every time you upload it’s a good day

Well, one way to deal with the g-force issues in a crewed aircraft would be to go with a prone pilot design. Human tolerance to g-forces in the eyeballs-out (pulling positive g with a prone pilot) direction is a bit over twice what it is for the same duration in the eyeballs-down (pulling positive g with a normally seated pilot) direction. But of course, you can't do that in Flyout (yet) either.

I found you a few days ago saw your videos and now I am learning about planes bc i want to play this game

YF-19 shinsei industries (Macross Plus). Digging the on the fly modeling and flying adjustments. Looks like a great time.

This looks so cool!

About your competitive dog fighting idea, I was also thinking about how that would be. It would be so fun to have that but at the same time very dangerous. So I thought of some rules in my restless nights where I'm just too busy thinking. 1. Aircraft "weapons" are lasers that shoot out of the nose in a cone in front of the aircraft. The lasers will simulate how the speed of the aircraft and the speed of the other aircraft will affect the bullets flying. So you will still have to lead when shooting. 2. The floor will be 500 ft 3. The "missiles" just fireworks I'm still thinking about it, but I'd love to hear what other people have to say, correcting me or adding their own things.

Absolutely beautiful design. I think it just needs larger tail fins is all. Some more yaw stability is nice

The showcase at the end gave me an idea for a future video if you ever run out of ideas. VTOL aircarft which land on their rear. Stuff like the Heinkel Lerche for example.

The backwings came on and I instantly went "Firehawk" (from C&C3) haha. Cool design.

It would be cool if you could do what they did to the F5e (creating the X-29) and do it to a F-16 or Mig 29!

Would you be interested in making some sort of modern high performance prop plane? Maybe a race style plane that could also handle pretty well.

Man, this thing is beatiful, it reminds me of the X-29 experimental plane based of an F-5E.

Yessss, the twin boom dogfighting BEAST we all asked for

RC dogfighting has existed for decades, and you cut a ~30ft long paper streamer taped to the tail of each other's plane with the prop of your plane. There's a time limit, and the one with the longest streamer at the end wins. It's laugh-until-you-cry fun. You build really simple planes out of cheap foam board and cheap electronics because there WILL be carnage, lol. There's also cheap laser tag-type systems with "hits", like lives remaining that show up in a heads up display in your FPV goggles. Putting those systems in EDF RC jets is about the closest you can get without ending up on a terrorist watch list lol!

Curiously, I actually had an idea for a very similar setting, where dogfighting is turned into a sport. The base idea was that it was post-WW3 and the UN has evolved into a proper governing body by getting the monopoly on violence. Conflicts between nations are thusly not allowed to be carried out through war, but only diplomacy and competition. Dogfighting is one of those competitions, with a multitude of classes available for countries to compete in and wager their conflicts over. (Yes, I did watch Robot Jox not too long before coming up with this) The classes were BVR/Hypersonic, BVR/Supersonic, Dogfight/Supersonic, Dogfight/Subsonic, and Dogfight/Propeller. BVR allowed the use of missiles for combat, pretty much the only way Hypersonic combat can be carried out, while Dogfight is raw brawling and guns only. The aircraft in general were even more wild and out there than you have gone for here, with 2:1 mass ratios, 1:1 T/W reverse thrusters allowing the aircraft to essentially hover in the air nose down, full 3D thrust vectoring, all-moving wings, cockpits embedded into the fuselage with screens instead of a canopy, liquid breathing and full body liquid immersion. Even the "small" and nimble DF/SubSon aircraft were the size of an airliner, only increasing as speed and capabilities ramped up. So yeah, kinda going where you're going here but turned up all the way to 11.

That aircraft design looks similar to the SU-47 Berkut without the twin engines, but overall your design was brilliant 👍✨

Really enjoy your humour, random comments and knowledge

Yo, nice new profile pic. I like it so much. I'm not sure if it's better than the OG but I think I'm starting to like it.

With the idea of a dogfighting series I definitely recommend having a look for inspiration at Scott Manley's 'Runway Project' competition for Kerbal Space Program. It's much the same as what you were theorising but instead in Kerbal Space Program, so you could definitely find some cool ideas there to apply here! 🙂

Beautiful! Does the game calculate wing stall? Didn't see any ailerons on the main wings so I'm wondering if there's utility in the reverse swept design, or if it's just to look cool? Thanks!

The dogfight challenge is a wonderfull idea! Though maybe it would be better to make this an general fighting challenge, as this could create a meta with bigger variety than trying to make the most maneuverable plane in existence. Maybe someone would drop their maneuverability for speed and power, which would allow them to climb and run away from the more nimble opponent. Maybe someone would make a plane with massive fuel tanks, so they could chase after their enemy until they're out of range. For classes, I propose to base them on the historical development of aerial machines: - Class 1920-1930: Biplanes and triplanes, only 1 to 3 small caliber machine guns, weak engines, fixed landing gear, no armour. - Class 1930-1940: The strongest biplanes, early fighter monoplanes. Better engines, some low level armour, fixed or controlable landing gear, flaps, ability to mount small machine guns, 1-3 large caliber machine guns (12.7mm, 14.5mm and so on), ability to mount 1 or 2 20mm cannons with a small amount of ammo. - Class 1940-1945: The best propeller monoplanes out there. Powerfull engines, max speed even around 700 kph. Armored plates and buletproof glass allowed. Small and large caliber machine guns allowed, autocannons up to 30mm allowed, 37mm or 40mm autocannons allowed under the condition of having low rpm and small amount of ammo. - Class 1945-1955: Early jet planes, for example like such aircraft as MiG-15, Me 262, Ho 229, F-100, Sea Vixen. Turboprops and counter-rotating props. Early jet engines without afterburners. No missiles. Early radars allowed for bigger aircraft. 45mm and 57mm autocannons allowed under the condition of having low rpm and small amount of ammo. - Class 1955-1965: Jet fighters like MiG-21 or F-4 Phantom. Radars allowed. Afterburners allowed. Early IR missiles allowed. - Class: 1965-1985: Best of the best. Powerfull engines with afterburners, stealth aircraft, swept wings allowed. IR missiles allowed, but only the early models, in order to make it more fun than just launching the missile and seeing it go boom. Using things allowed for a lower class is permitted, while using things that are allowed for a class above isn't. For example, someone competing in the 1940-1945 class could make a triplane (class 1920-1930) with a powerfull engine, but at the same time they would not be allowed to use counter-rotating props (class 1945-1955) or swept wings (class 1965-1985). - OPEN CLASS: Everything goes, as long as it isn't cheating. Would love to hear your thoughts on this and maybe build a plane for every class, if you feel like it!

Competitive dogfighting is a great e-sport idea. If Flyout ever gains multiplayer capability, that would be dope to see. I personally would go for the “Unlimited” category with zero restrictions, but I’m sure there could be a category/class that would fit everyone’s fancy.

Oh no you're not alone... this has always been my favorite kind of thing. Many good memories of ksp's overly forgiving physics, plus a mouse flight mod, plus BD armory. But yeah, the problem is that we already have dogfighting at well beyond even those G forces, that have eliminated the pilot, and just detonate instead of shooting... they're called missiles. But imagine a world with rampant use of EMP or something in conflicts, where even if small electronics for engines and stuff aren't that effected, sensitive instruments like missile guidance, computers, and radar are kind of screwed?

I like the new profile photo. Keep up the great work!

Awesome jet. Would love to see one with variable-sweep wings, if that's at all possible in Flyout.

I think itd be amazing to see a competitive dogfighting series or video!

Unironically looks rediculously cool

@2:15 - When you suddenly realize that that Messier is designing an experimental Erusian x-02 strike whyvern that will soon be equipped with high-tech railguns...

Dogfight contests could viably exist using extremely low caliber bullets and drones

@messier82ac this design reminded me of the Switchblade concept- would be awesome if you could make it a swing-wing variable like a reverse wing version of the F-14 Tomcat but with 3 primary configurations- wings in for high speed, wings at reverse 45(ish) degree for dogfighting, and wings at maximum width for loitering/max lift. The great thing about a simulator like this is development, maintenance and operation cost is no issue xD

That looks amazing

this plane is sick, i fing love it

I'd love to see GrowlingSidewinder flying it!

This design reminds me a lot of the ASFX Shinden II from Ace Combat, as well as a cross between the X-29 and the Su47

This plane is like "Stalling? What's stalling? I'd just add more throttle!"

Seeing the aoa this thing pulled just made me laugh! Brilliant work

I wonder what an ultra modernized P-51 would look and perform like while still being recognizable as a development from the WW2 era warbird. I know there's the H model and such, but what if it went further? Turbo prop? Variable wing sweep like the F-14? Maybe even further along like a 5th gen with clear lineage to the old bird. Be even cooler if it had a canopy reminiscent of the B and C models. Bubble canopy is obviously superior, but those earlier birds have some good looks. Anyway. Just thinking out loud here. If you take on such a project I'd love to see it. Keep up the awesome vids.

you know they do have dog fight simulations that use ir lasers and people can go and dogfight. basically airborne laser tag. i think "air combat usa" is one place that does it?

Love the SU-47 Berkut vibes, Forward swept wings ftw!

Id love to see a dogfight series

The F-16 actually has a reclined seat to increase G tolerance of the pilot. I've seen studies that suggest that a pilot flat on their back may be able to sustain 20 G before the difference in blood pressure between their frontal and parietal lobe causes G out (though not the same redout or blackout that normal pilots face, rather, too much blood in some areas and not enough in others).

Looks like an x-29 with two tails. Both planes were super manuverable at high AOA. the x-29 pioneered the avionics that we use today in our most sophisticated planes.

I'm pretty sure the front of the canards are supposed to point up when the front of the elevators are pointing down in order to give the maximum AOA when pulling up.

The 1st thing I thought of upon seeing the jet is it looked like an F-20 in reverse. By that I mean canard type & forward-swept wings But having round intakes & front fuselage reminds me of the F-104, & at certain angles, the front fuselage reminds me of the A-4 P. S. : *should've implemented the 3d thrust vectoring if you really want the "ultimate dogfighter"*

Years ago (03") I used to play X-Plane, which had an excellent aircraft designer in it. We had a couple of building competitions, F1 reno racers, Unlimited Reno racers, Unlimited reno racers as sea planes and finally, much like your prop punk concept, we did modern fighters, only Turbojets, Turbofans and Turboprops were never invented, so we built modern fighters with piston and rocket engines. All modern electronics, missiles and radar, only difference was prop and rocket only. Perhaps you could give that a try for a building concept?

Looks like a combo between an x-29, su-47 and YF-23

The Music is nostalgic in everyone of you're vids