Why would there be rust if its coating. Plus why would you have a puddle of coating thats poor quality control.

Visited a Walmart to check this out. The filters on the shelf are sealed so how could you tell unless someone (maybe you?) cut them open. Anyway, I did find a box that was open and yes there was a drop of “moisture “ in the bottom. Now, tell us how you know what that liquid is? Have you sampled it and run a chemical analysis to determine composition? I suspect it is some form of water soluble rust preventative. Very common in manufacturing facilities. Please, from now on don’t open sealed boxes on the shelf. Walmart security ought to nail you for that if you did it. Who wants to buy an opened box?

You would think if it was water it would be soaked in the filter media or evaporate. As far as rust the filter will be fully coated with oil. I change my oil on time using conventional oil. If it were used longer or under harsh conditions then I would use a higher priced filter.

They aren't all sealed i said in the video why not be honest

I touched the water watch the video and its not your typical quality bypass filter.

Me too. I got 457k miles out of a Saturn SL. Ran Fram and Castrol for 300k miles of that.

Same, Never had an issue with fram on both my 99 and 94 suburban's, my 99 with 300k on the clock. Sure there are better out there, but if you change your oil when your suppose to, then there shouldn't be a problem.

@@VikingDudee good mileage…. everyone is a youtube mechanic these days!!!!

3,750 miles? Wow

@@neil1997 wow your ass… when you manufacture your own car let us all know how many miles per your owners manual we should change it at………

An emulsified oil - water based, like cutting fluid. No harm

Moisture would evaporate before getting on the shelf.

I second this

@@TheTech9 You are a wise and informed man.

Much agreed

It does have a bypass valve in the base plate assembly

The guy took some time to put together a very informative video, not sure why you have to be condescending because you have one useful piece of information?

Correct

Motorshaft suck, as do ford's, gm, and fiat chryslers

@@joeb2588 agreed, Lada is the only worthwhile vehicle.

@@walterk1221 Lada, wow! They are supposedly built very well. Here in the states though I have to say Toyota, Honda, some Subaru, some Hyundai, and Mazda are generally good. But Toyota is prob the most reliable. Although I can say I have 75k on my 18 Elantra and haven't had any problems.

@@joeb2588 75k is pretty low to determine whether it’s reliable or not

Ya it is. This Dude needs to be taken off the net for spreading lies. He has no Idea what he's doing or talking about. Some people might really believe him, but I hope not. He needs medicine or something. Serious

I agree, but let's remember Fram makes three quality levels of filters. They've been doing this for over 20 years! So people don't have to buy the cardboard unless they want to.

Sounds like you got lucky. I'm not taking that chance.

I'm thinking of using Fram Ultra and only change the filter every 10,000 miles, while I continue changing the oil every 5,000 miles.

Because if you change oil every 3000 miles, they work fine.

@@njsongwriter put a fram ultra filter In normal fram filter box and self checkout~

Same, 30+ years, several different cars, 300K miles, never any oil related issues. Engines run like new. Fram orange can, synthetic oil, changed 4-5K.

same here on my ls silverado

Ok but it's literally no more expensive to go and buy an oem quality Motorcraft filter. Have fun with your paper filters.

I think it was you who missed the point

Just because your engine hasn’t blown up doesn’t mean fram filters are good

the best is the original. OEMs. Motorcraft, AC Delco, Mopar, etc.

Good catch; false information at 7:08

I agree 90 percent. There is no substitute for changing the engine oil. An extra bypass filter will keep the oil cleaner much longer, but the oil will still need to be changed. I prefer the Fram Tough Guard and 3 to 5k changes.

The problem is the poor quality control and materials used.

@@NATESINTERACTIVEAUTO what materials?

I assume you are talking fram and wix, they both have a coil spring bypass just like I bet the ford does as well. The only difference is fram has theirs mounted on the leaf spring which when it is flipped over you can see the coil spring clearly. In any case the wix and frame are inferior to the motorcraft unit just in placement of the bypass valve alone.

@@NATESINTERACTIVEAUTO The motorcraft does have a bypass valve, it's on the top. the way of thinking here is that if the filter is so filled up with crap, that it can't flow. Then the filter can bypass it, with out having to push it through all that crap that plugged it up just to get to the valve. It can just bypass the whole filter, crap and all.

Sounds like you got lucky. I'm not taking that chance. Enjoy that rust and paper and water getting in your engine. And who knows what other debris getting through.the I'll spend a dollar more and get a quality oil filter. I think my car is worth it. And not risking everything.

I agree with 348 loaded lever the filters are no worse or no better you pay triple for a really expensive oil filter it’s really expensive to change oil now days so I can see guys using fram I know people that’s used them forever and no problem ever I think we have heard enough of this bullshit

@@jeffleblanc8850 Don't feel the badd because you just figured out you were lied to about your fram filter all this time Iol You want to continue taking that chance of something happening good luck to you. You don't need to pay triple for a better oil filter Because every oil filter even the cheapest ones are better than fram so there's no point in even using it

@@paul9912 The Fram Ultra for our car won't have any problems.

@@njsongwriter good luck lol

Yea because water/coolant is gonna go in there anyway.

Fatima D Noor well you don’t know that he might have off camera

I guessing he likely put them back after he stopped filming.

@@Jigsaw-ow9iz im sorry i didn't think anyone would want to watch me put them back. I have worked in stores so i would never not put things back

@@faxmen09 @The incredible Hemi im sorry i didn't think anyone would want to watch me put them back. I have worked in stores so i would never not put things back

@The incredible Hemi im sorry i didn't think anyone would want to watch me put them back. I have worked in stores so i would never not put things back

Emily where do you buy Ryco filters?

@@xlightssx do they sell them in America Ryco is Australian owned

@@jayden793 ok, so I don’t think Ryco is sold in the US.

I recommend Amsoil/royal purple oil filter.

Specifications, you can see for yourself on each filter website.

If I remember correctly the cartons all say “meets or exceeds manufacturers warranty requirements”. That means they have passed some very rigorous internal and independent testing. I’d be very careful about bad mouthing any of these products if you don’t have anything more than your own personal opinion. I’ve spent over thirty years testing engines in R&D engine dyno lab testing environment and have seem leakage failures on every brand of filter. Oil sample data from an independent lab proved the efficiency of the filter media. No engine failure was ever traced to a filter as cause. Engines ran 100 to 1000 hr tests. You will need some very detailed test data to convince me you have more than a personal opinion.

And again Arthur is dead on. Lots of engine run time on basic filters with no issue. It’s not to say a manufacturing issue can’t produce a defective product from time to time but there is a difference between finding a defect and claiming something has a disastrous design.

Sure the rust “meets or exceeds manufacturers warranty requirements,” and the rust may simply be a "time to time" kind of thing that's gone on for a decade.

Absolutely FACTS thank you

Thanks please do but look at many of them.

You´re right they can be even cheaper if you extend the use for about 10k miles but you have to use it with a top quality synthetic oil.

@@robertogomez8100 that is true. If you are a user of synthetic oil yes its great and worth it. Just kind of an example. Im sure theres good filters for conventional but these videos are good to open peoples eyes and really decide what you want to use your money on.

Stepside1986 agreed wix is the best

I like mobil 1. If not available, I grab Wix.

With the serious misconceptions in this video I'm sure I wouldn't trust another one.

Criterion515 I have no issues with Nates videos, I have followed some tips from this channel with great results, for me it has meant money saving because using some of the products tested here have help me gain more than 15% of fuel efficiency.

@@robertogomez8100 Glad you've had good luck so far, but this is the only vid I've seen from this person, and glaring mistakes like saying the rust preventative oil in filters is water, and that a filter doesn't have a bypass when it absolutely does are more than enough for me to make the decision that my time is better spent with more knowledgeable reviewers.

Some Fram filters do have 'oil' from the machining and assembly process left inside. And 'water' would have evaporated long ago.

Cadiminder lots of hate for Fram but honestly it’s not well founded. Fram / Champion Labs makes so many filters from Honda to Supertech. They can use fiber (not paper) end caps or metal. The oil filter media is “cellulose” and we don’t worry about it being “paper” but when they use the same type of material for the end caps people freak out. There are some really expensive super car makers who choose to use fiber end caps. One reason is it’s easy to adhere the filter media to a like substance. And therefore use less glue and have a stronger mating. Look there are millions of cars running all over the world using this design and you just don’t see cars dead on the road due to filters. The truth as difficult as it is for some to hear is that filtration isn’t even as important as most people think. I know that sounds crazy but it’s true. Look at some of the big Japanese manufacturers. They use filters with 70% efficiency and recommended every other oil change filter changes. Why? I’m sure people will say to save cost on advertised maintenance but that’s not the case. In depth study from engineering revealed that modern engine’s produce so little debris that filters were being tossed with barely any contamination. I know the old timers felt with a different story back when motors were loose and sludges up all the time but today is different. Anyway I appreciate the effort this guy is going through but it’s just a type of OCD and you will be fine running any filter on his table.

@@Nono-rh4lr my wife has an 2009 f150 with 5.4 we bought the truck with 31,000 miles on it now it has almost 170,000 I've used in between ford and fram oil filters never had one leak or exploded same goes for my 2011 ford edge. Lol which has about 149,000 miles now .it was cool to see this video though .

@@Nono-rh4lr Great Answer

Wix, Purolator Pure One, Fram Tough Gard. Use the High Mileage oil every other oil change. Or one quart per oil change from here out. Reason being, the High Mileage oils have seal conditioners in them. Too much may soften or swell the seals too much.

@@tarquineous thanks I didn't know that about the seals.

What you are currently running, Oil and filter. Obviously what you are doing is working, don't mess with what's working.

If you want to run a Fram, I would run the ultra. The XG model, much better filter.

Except this is one of the cheapest frams available. Rated for for low mile oil changes. Get a synthetic and it's a tank built for 20K miles

I show frams best filter in the previous video and its even worse.

NATES INTERACTIVE AUTO I agree that rust inside the Fram Ultra you guys open was not good. Even the filter media looked strange. I’ll give you that one. While I don’t agree with your stance on the “fiber” end caps you are correct about that rust. I honestly wonder what the deal was there. I’ve never seen that in the few ultra cut opens I’ve done. Thanks for sharing.

@@Nono-rh4lr There is no rust inside the Fram Ultra filter for our car. Guaranteed.

Dumbest thing and biggest lie I've heard. Here's your cookie bud.

I have stated in the comments its not a valve that opens and closes its just a opening. Allowing the none filtered oil in with it. The design is just cheaper thats the reason its used.

Most bypass valves allow unfiltered oil also but the motorcraft allows un filtered oil all the time.

@@NATESINTERACTIVEAUTO Where did you get that information??? - - - "the motorcraft allows un filtered oil all the time" ??? ARE YOU JOKING?

No, there are many no-bypass oil filters. No bypass is needed in warm climates or the summer season and why would an oil filter clog up if it's changed regularly?

@@01mustang05 please provide me a oil filter (that is not cartridge) brand that doesn’t use a bypass?

I measure each more than once all around housing.

@@NATESINTERACTIVEAUTO You totally missed the point. You cannot measure a round surface using the "wide" part of the calipers. THAT is why they have the "knife" edge at the tip -- so you measure the thickness, not the thickness + degrees of radius.

Yep. For a dude that reviews oil filters for a living, that surprises me that he didn’t know that.

"Hydrophelic," not "hygroscopic."

Zona 3141 cellulose is both hygroscopic and hydrophilic. It will absorb water on contact AND pull it out of the environment’s air (like a closed filter box)

@@AverageJoeHotRodShow Not being a pain, trust me. Hydrophobic or hydrophelic, not not hygroscopic. Again, not trying to be a pain !!! I am a science teacher and correct little things like this, all in good nature.

Zona 3141 not a pain, just incorrect. Google around and you will find cellulose is hygroscopic. It pulls moisture from the air. That is what I am saying happened.

@@AverageJoeHotRodShow You're right !! Have a great 4th ...

I love this lmao

Psycho I don’t use them either

Look at all the frams others have also checked, why would i care other than to help people.

honestly, just try ryco, theyre pretty decent, similar price.

@@PneumaticFrog we have Ryco in Australia as one of the main brands and the main at some shops. Quality seems pretty good without opening them up. Always used them no issues

@@VX3800 yeah I live in Australia, never had bad things with it

See. Like this guy one of likely millions of people who have used Fram filters for thousands of miles with no issue. Why. Because filtration isn’t actually that big of a deal in modern engines. There is no need to do it but you could likely get 20,000 miles or more out of the cheapest oil filter. I know some people don’t like to hear that and say it’s cheap insurance to change it every time. And I guess I agree. But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s not quite as important as some people make it out to be.

How about those Super Tech filters for less than $3.00?

@@njsongwriter Super Tech = Rebranded Wix filters. Very good value. They used to be made by Champion several years back.

@@kingpins9 you're correct... if you buy them from normal outlets like AutoZone, but if you check Walmart there is maybe a couple, at most, filters that barely come close to frams low price point. Fram owns the market in terms of lowest priced filters... so long as you get them from Walmart.

Sure ill look into it and thanks for the suggestion.

I never knew Costco has motor oil 🤣 wonder if it's a Warren distribution oil?

@@spiceyfrenchtoast9421 Haha yeah I believe it just got released a couple months ago. Wouldn't suprise me if it was a warren product

@@spiceyfrenchtoast9421 it is made by Warren Distribution its been confirmed on Bob is the oil guy.

Thanks for sharing

ive put almost 80 thousand miles on my astro van 4.3 liter i use the cheapest oil i can find and the cheapest filter you can buy the fram filter and i run my oil too 10 thousand miles instead of 5 like everyone else and ive never had any issues still runs like a champ

@@hjcg08 Haha I buy cheap oil my rig doesnt know the difference and frankly I honestly dont think it would make a difference it's a 2002 not a 2020

@@spencerjohnson1499 exactly both of mine or 97 and a 98 and at 180 thousand miles and 200 thousand miles anything that was gonna wear out had already worn out lol

@@hjcg08 Haha yep my thoughts exactly

Why not the Walmart Super Tech filter?

Wix has only two series, normal and XP. And they are both the best in the market. They beat Bosch, SCT, Motorcraft, etc. Only maybe K&N's are better but too expensive.

​@@Nick-GR LOL that's not true.. WIX are'nt the best in the market.. they are good.. but not as good as a Fram Ultra... Go look it up at bobishtheoilguy forums... and the K&N's are HORRIBLY NOTORIOUS for leaking. .... and they now cost around $5

@@memopadilla5931 yup this