This whole conversation is basicaly like a guy playing sunday league pub football talking to a premier league player and asking "why cant i do what you do?" This is the biggest skill issue ever lol

My brain is melting. Every time this guy starts to sound like he may say something half way reasonable he follows it up with the most incomprehensible nonsense, RIgHt?

"You have release check on , that's a you problem not a game problem ...all you have to do is turn that off" Fate : "But that's kind of bad don't you think?" Foxy: "No just turn it off " LMFAO

My god the I lost braincells during the Ketchup and Mustard part. He didn’t even know what was the point he was trying to make. I did love the part where he’s whining about game mechanics but also didn’t know about release check. Like they made a tutorial for it. This is one of the most comprehensive tutorials in any fighting game ever made and the dude couldn’t be bothered to go through it.

I’ve never had this much brain damage in my life. Holy crap Fate not only suffers from skill issues but he doesn’t know how to articulate and defend an argument.

The real issue is that people usually play team games where they can hide behind their excuses like my team was crap. In a one on one game there is no one else to blame, so instead of looking in the mirror they blame developers. They made it too cheap, or the combos do too much damage, or the other character is overpowered. It could never be your fault because you are the amazing protaganist of your story.

Foxy I dont even play this game but I love your content, the way you casually troll people while also having the skill of a god is so entertaining but also enlightening, you have a talent for breaking down things and making them seem so simple and obvious, this debate style format is very entertaining and I hope to see more of it, Im also excited for the new beef set! Im gonna sub cuz you have definitely earned it with all the hours of entertainment you have provided!

He lost my respect when he said he don’t see nobody up block he is lying idc what he is saying lol

The reason why ppl hit 40 to 50 % combos on him is that they see an opening and punish him, whereas with pro players they don't have any openings. 😅

Still watching it, but wanted to say that i like this format. Gameplay and trolling is always fun, but sometimes discussions or debates are a nice change. Good video, Foxy!

There is a worldwide epidemic of “I need to put everything into a box so I can understand it the way I want to understand it.” The majority of people are so uncomfortable with the concept they DON’T know something important that they have to manifest what they DO know is actually what’s important. This guy is insane. It’s like trying to argue about basketball with Lebron.

This dude has the reasoning skills of a 10 year old😭

“Checking himself out on camera and wiggling his head” that part took me out lmao I’ve noticed some of the faces that guy pulls in his video too. Head bobbling all over the place

I can't believe someone could spend this much time on a fighting game and not realize it's a skill issue. To make such backward ass conclusions is so crazy

F0xy this needs to be a weekly podcast. A successful mk pro roasting scrublords for an hr is good for the culture

I loved when foxy told fate he watches his KZfaq and that he posts way more and fate just goes "why?!" 😂😂😂

16 minutes in and this guy has nothing of worth to say. Kudos to you, F0xy--you have the patience of Job to go on for so much

I bought the game twice. Does that mean im entitled to two opinions? Logic has left the building

I’m a 36 years old father with a full time job and I still managed to beat the majority of people with the worst character in the game. Figuring out neutral, be smart and have good reads is indeed way more important than the combos itself. The point is, you need to put some time in one way or another to be good at something plain and simple. Keep it up foxy. For the shoooookannnnnnnnn !!!!

"yah you did aikido and taekwondo, thats some bullshido" BRUH im dying LOL

I like how y’all address the pro vs casual player. Casual players get the game watered down and pros get the leftovers . Pros adapt to the patch and still dominate so my question would be “ why not just let the game be and make the casual players learn how to play?” I’m an above average 💩 casual that gets wrecked in KL but will take my lessons along with the wins.

watched this all the way thru for idiot tolerance training, fate really tested my might on how he’s so clueless but yet just thinks he’s right no matter what

The biggest issue I find with FATE's arguments its always "I hear people say / I read what people say", its a massive strawman and blowing up other people's arguments to support his own views. Who are these other people he constantly talks about? Sure there's a group that agrees with him, but also a giant group of people that don't. He's pretending the majority is behind his viewpoints by default.

Fate lives in a flat 100%...

Dude how you managed to talk to this guy for an hour is AMAZING. I don’t think I could even watch this guy ironically. Good video Foxy. It’s funny watching you poke holes in his points and he talks about “bleeding in your panties” but was bothered enough to make a video of HOW MUCH IT HURT HIM! Wow

Sooo, if the game is catered to only the pro’s and the favorites of Ed. Where FT3 then?, edit: whats wrong with Kabal? Okay see ya.

I just turned off negative edge, thank you FOxy 👍

“ I play MK and i know what i am talking about” … “ What’s up block ? “ “ What’s Negative Edge? “ “ Combos are not important “ …. It’s like talking with my wife about the game .

Aye I'm 37 yrs old, started with mk11, I saw all the mkx yt vids and got hooked watching them. Then mk11 came out and I said hey I'm gonna get into this. Then I kept watching vids and trying to improve my knowledge of the basics and over time I learned more about frame data, being plus and minus etc, I'm older and if I had not done the research and put effort into learning the game and all the intricacies that go with it. If I didn't try then I'd be on the same level as FATE, but I learned. Gotta do that first. Then opinions can be shared and discussed with knowledge on what your saying.

“Here’s my conversation with Mortal Kombat’s biggest hater…” *link to Sikander vs Dittle conveniently appears 😂😂

That argument he had about Ketchup and Mustard was so weak and he just wouldn't let it go as if it was some giant conspiracy. He needs to take off the tin foil hat.

"Here's my argument" "Your argument is not valid" "Why?" "Because of the following reasons" "I didn't say that" (He did) Repeat

If he has such a beef with NRS, then why does he even bother to keep playing? Except if he is doing it purely for content. Also, nice change of pace; from trolling salty dudes to debating the origin of MK salt😂

I dont understand this argument. Everybody who "plays" the game has the right to have an opinion, whether purchased or not. However professional players opinions will always hold more weight because of the knowledge and experience with the game. The perfect analogy is you can give medical advice and have an opinion on it but a doctors opinion will always be more trustworthy within the medical field

Foxy got every point right like literally. Foxy broke it down so logically what he said just can’t be disputed.

My takeaway from this debate (if you can call it that) is that Fate is completely devoid of any cerebral activity.

I'm so glad you had this talk, him stating 50% combos is cheap and needs to be removed is the scrubbiest quote of the year. Foxy: "the combo is irrelevant, the game happens long before you made multiple mistakes to get in that combo in a game full of easy to defend gameplay, 90% of the Roster has reactable mix and every character is counterable. And even if you have a bad matchup you have space control, footsies, baiting , fuzzy guard, wiffpunishing long before they get that hit after you make those several errors in gameplay" If you played right you eould be eating 50% Then he said you can do that 50% as well and every foghting game wotks this way, you wiff a button in Street Fighter, Tekken and your eating 60-80% just like Mortal Kombat. Is whats ironic is FATE loves MK11 because "30% combos" little does he know that was the scrubbiest easiest to do hard hitting combos, for F sake a throw Krushing Blow did 35 for the low execution of 1BUTTON Then says MK1 is super easy to hit for 50% and only certain characters can do that and if they do they sacrifice their breaker which is super expensive compared to MK9 with 2Bar

You guys may be on to something. This can be great future content for the both of you. People love debates. Look at sports with First Take or Undisputed. I'll definitely listen in and hit the like button on this content. I already listen to both of you. I also watched him and BruskPoet go at it earlier lol. Definitely think about it and maybe do it once a week. Just a suggestion. Great video!!!

As someone that is garbage at MK I don’t want a game holding my hand. I want to learn the game and get as good as I can with the most enjoyment in the time that I have. A pro players perspective is always what I look for because more often than not their opinions will give the game the highest skill ceiling so I know that if I get beat that I most likely have something else to learn or consider to beat it.

Honestly, loved the way you deconstructed his arguements. Pretty much dismantled his entire point 😂 earnt my subscription. Loved watching you play in mkx. UK bois top lads for sure. You, ketchup and mustard are easily my favourites in this scene

2+2 does equal 5. I am so glad F0xy agrees with me. I have lived my life needing to be heard about this and finally, after 31 years, I have someone that agrees. Thank you, F0xy 🙏

"The game is filled with too many combos! They're too big and they're too easy to do!" "So learn to do them yourself" "I don't wanna!"

I learned about Negative Edge or Release Check from a Tip in a Loading Screen. It even suggests if you're having some troubles you can try turning it off or on to see if it makes a difference.

I feel like Fate had a good counter argument for when Foxy sead theres nothing you or i can do about anything.(the state of the game) when he responded with i & other content creators Bringing awareness to the issue of Mortal Kombat 9 getting banned in Australia. Without criticism or complaining, as Foxy called it. Australians Wouldn't of even got to play & enjoy MK9. I think video games can improve with "fair" criticism feedback I don't think It's healthy to write off all criticism as hating. Good job to the both of you for having this talk it was interesting.

This was amazing, would love to see you debate sombody again every minute was timeless

Did he just complain he didn't get retweets? oof... okay well on the sane side of things, foxy grandpa is serious game goals, I fail to see the issue here

Yo foxy love the content love the steams. Always consistent. One recommendation I would make for long videos like these is maybe just put some fights from your streams on in the background on mute so we can watch your gameplay while listening.

Where can I find the debate with Ketchup and FATE??

Listening to fate makes me lose brain cells

The only thing FATE said that i agree with is the rewards in KL. It should about skill testing, not FOMO rewards that basically encourages players to play the lamest cheapest method to win, instead of just picking who they want. And the people complaining about this skill issue stuff are probably the casuals hopping into KL for rewards. Everything else he said was ignorance

Hows foxy head not hurting after that roundabout talk and didn't stop

It's funny he cares SO much about morals and voting with your wallet, but he's still posting Quan-Chi reaction videos. He can make a million memes about how bad NRS is while still grifting off their product.

I'm on steam and people upblock all the time, this guy is either so bad he only gets matched with people at the very bottom of the skill level or he's just lying.

it's so easy to say in hindsight that testers should have talked to NRS about online when NRS already did most of those features in the past, so the reality is that at the time, it was not a concern. for all we know, those testers were possibly talking to people within NRS that had no say over the online at all, not that they were hired to discuss online to begin with! of course yeah crossplay being removed sucks, but if they removed it well in advance, it must have needed more time than FIVE days to finish minimum, so even if it was relevant to them, asking about it wouldnt be very useful

Wow im just dumb founded by the fate logic. Love the how you broke down his points. Especially when it came to the "condiment twins"

People up block all the time in demi-god to god rank on pc lmao? even the lower ranks catch my jump ins and punish me for it.

this is the biggest problem in league of legends lol, people roasting the game and complaining on reddit when they're so bad they don't even know what mistakes they're making to begin with

bless you foxy for having a patients to explain some really simple shit for a long time. You are elder god!!!!! much

I listened to this on fates channel because it’s fun to chastise him and pick apart his lame arguments. You absolutely bodied him along with dittle and brusk

That was actually quite civil for almost all of it, and you were extremely patient f0xy.

I ironically watch fate and as i tuned in was shocked to hear your voice on his stream, enjoyed it a lot. Pull some strings and get some other pro players on his show, i beg you please, f0xy. I love cringe comedy

Thank you for this good Sir. There is a vast and pervasive level of idicoy and entitlement where people seek comfort in complaining about everything, while not knowing the basics of a game, not understanding the strain that companies are under and level of work that goes into these projects. Even if the game has flaws, it is a brain dead exercise to whine, moan and bitch moan when basic knowledge is lacking. I have stopped paying attention to notable channels for this issue. Take a deep dive into the game, learn it through and through as best you can, then your opinion becomes valid.

Omg I applaud you for the patience, I feel like I lost many brain cells listening to this person.

I noticed the same negative edge issue with Reiko and adjusted controls to fix it. I’m not an MK KZfaqr.

Lmao F.A.T.E is hilarious. Dude literally calls damn near everyone that disagrees with him a shill. Dude think he knows everything.

I like this formatting. Need a moderator between the two main debate points if this happens again.

How to you even compare a pro tournament to KL?

"Whats wrong with kabal?" Lmao😂 I was laughing so hard I really thought this Fate guy was trolling

“It’s nice to meet you!” “Alright. Yeah. Good. You alright?” You didn’t seem as excited. 🤣🤣

This is like talking to a child lol

They actually did notify about it the access to cross play and certain features wasn't going to be accessible passed a certain date and time here in the states. This was posted on the xbox Microsoft servers. I know because I had a bug in my software and couldn't access the game and had to get online and get support to fix my game permissions, and they even gave certain people with similar issues extra time to play the beta.

"I do not like the way the way this game operates. Therefore, it is bad."

Admitting that your favorite part of MK11 was Kabal is an automatic L

MK1 feels like it was rushed out the door so WB can cash out on the MK brand. It doesn't help that the community was also banging on WB's doorstep begging to get this game out already. Great game, but disappointing content.

Before I clicked I was expecting MKTomBrady. Brilliant player but on stream he makes Sik and LTG look like Ketchup and Mustard

Without watching the video and only listening to F0xys description of the person, he sounds like the Australian version of Dynasty.

Like two months ago he did like a Reiko breakdown where he complained about the inputs and people in the comments literally told him about release check

I would consider myself a casual now, even though i was trying to get serious in the first 2 months of the game’s release. Even as a try hard, I couldnt really substantiate my opinions over the pro players’ opinions. We all play the same game right? Pretty much everything a casual or non pro player is complaining about is boiled down to skill issue

Damn, the content ist getting better and better!

Can someone link the argument this dude had with ketchup

Is there a VOD to watch the debate between this clown and ketchup?? Love the content btw!

Just say the game should be playable without having to lab.... Second if u wanna pull off big combos u still have to open people up in order to pull it off

What I find ironic about FATE is that he wants the new games to be like UMK3, as if the old arcade games didn't have TOD's and other broken shit lmao.

I’m riding the mk horse till the end who’s with me 😂

The basics of any fighting game or combat sport are the same and universally are: 1. How to move 2. How to hit 3. How to not get hit If the problem you’re having is seeing a bunch of players doing the same combo with the same Kameo when you play online it’s because you didn’t pay attention at lesson three. It’s wild to me that someone who is a practiced martial artist who has taught people for money assumedly, does not understand that when learning a fighting game.

if there's no skill involved how are there pros and not pros? lol this dude is clueless

With the whole K&M portion of the discussion even if they were there to assist with online (which they were not) they’re under NDA. I imagine everyone you see in the credits, programmers, engineers, artists, writers, voice actors, mocap performers, Ed Boon. Everyone signed an NDA of some sort. So yeah…they have no way of telling you anything about their respective involvement in the project. And if someone thinks they are entitled to them incurring legal repercussions of violating the agreement so they can tell you if there’s online lobbies, then you’re kind of unreasonable. And kind of an ass tbh 😅 Edit:….aaaand I just got to the part where Foxy brought up NDAs😅

as a casual who likes to try to get better i absolutely love each fighting game not for the high level gameplay but actually for the opportunity to get better and sadly there is just a larger part of the community who can win without being generally better than the other person and there are also matches where the skill difference is very wide and I wont even blame the characters or matchups for the wins and losses during the time I play, so instead of caring about winning or trying to focus heavily for a win against a random person online to increase a number that everyone can see when i play other matches which can also be very misleading even to the point that people wont even try or fight players with high win/lose ratios. so the general understanding is that fighting games are fun for most people if you can win more than you lose, if you lose so much the game tends to lose the enjoyment you initially wanted to receive, this is actually a reason that Ive became a lab rat and tried to enjoy the matches and practice unique and interesting combos learning harder and more difficult combos hop online hit that combo and feel like my time wasnt wasted instead hopping online and losing to people who fight better worst or just at the same level. I wont just talk about the bad because the online community is super toxic and it just drives me away.

I wondered if “FATE” showed up in anyone else’s feed. Glad to see I wasn’t the only one, respect for foxy for talking to him as long as he did.

1:23:00 that aged well, bc NRS DID fck up over and over again and also Tekken. Keep making videos FATE, thanks to Foxy for showing me Fates channel.

"If you've been in a ring, you've been in a ring. Win, lose or draw you're still fine. If you've been if a *fight* and you're still able to stand on your own volition, you've obviously had to win. Because losing means you're broken or dead." My old friend and mentor Sam Hopkins. God I miss that man... As someone with QA experience, no FATE you don't hang out and talk and have lunch with the devs. You go in, they have a couple liasons who sit you down, check off all the boxes, and tell you what you're looking for. Then you fill out their forms and they walk you back out. Boom boom, one and done. It's super clinical and impersonal. You're not "part of the team" you're a contractor. "You're my new DSP." Jayzuzz! That's cutting. We have a label. Fans. We're all fans.

How u feeling bout quan Chi foxy?!?! PS. I play on steam that mf capping about that up block bullshit lol i see that shit all the time

Roight roight? Roight roight mate roight, the count for how many times Fate said right in this video is over 9000

This guy makes KZfaq videos that get recommended to me all the time, and every video is a negative conspiracy theory.

“I love watching people that are wrong and think they’re right” -foxy. I watch people like this too shit is hilarious😂

Like foxy said a lot of times is pretty much just dedication and practice. Hell we got a pretty good amount of blind players out there now doing pretty good because they actually do just that. Way too many people just want a game to hold their hand.

Classic case of having followers going to someone head. Can’t believe I watched so much of this

Those martial arts are trash! Lol " I thank you for your comment, I really appreciate that" 😂 you hurt that man. His condescending vibes are annoying.

i disagree deadshot was nerfed just for the casuals. I'm a competitive player (not a pro obviously, but competitive). I put a lot of time and effort into every NRS game and I hated seeing that character constantly in every top 8. Many times I recall Deadshot mirrors where both would sit at full screen endlessly shooting. I don't think this is good for anyone, whether it's casual, competitive or pro. I was definitely in favor of the nerf.

the part about mustard was terrible by this fate guy, its like foxy said they probably just expected these features to be apart of the game and lets be honest they would of wanted to most likely talk about possible characters in the game and kameo possibilities like cmon that was what everyone really wanted to know and another thing are we just gonna act like nda's are not a thing especially with a company like warner bros, they probably wasnt aloud to talk about most things im pretty sure thats a common business thing when it comes to these game test! edit: i just seen that foxy brought up nda's and its true.