Fleet manager here. I just wanted to give people an update on my companies fleet of trucks and how the 7.3L V8 has changed our company. We have run 3/4 and 1 ton trucks for hot shot running here in Texas and South Dakota for years and would use strickly diesel trucks. Unfortunately, the costs to operate diesels has doubled in the last 10 years, and the EPA B.S. on these trucks have killed the longevity of the motors. In the 2000s and 2010s our older pre-EPA diesels would go half a million miles before we would replace them. We usually did a hard overhaul at 250,000 and they would easily go another 250k before replacement. Diesels now are barely making it to 200,000 without major overhaul, and when they are overhauled they only go 350,000'ish total miles. So, over the last 18 months we have dramatically shifted our truck lines and have replaced 11 trucks of the 25 that we have with 7.3L V8 F-350 trucks single wheel. These trucks are fantastic. They not only get excellent towing mileage but cost a tremendous amount of money less in maintenance. We still will keep 10 diesel trucks that are F-450 for maximum towing capabilities, but everything else is 7.3L V8 trucks. We already have a two trucks that are over 100,000 miles on them, and outside of oil changes and tires not a dime has gone into them. The savings in maintenance is huge when you have a fleet. So, if you are going to tow between 10,000-15,000 lbs this is a must have motor. We do between 11k-18k 5th wheel towing for the majority of our loads (25k-30k towing for our diesel trucks but those loads are much more rare) and the 7.3L V8 eats it up.

I have been watching nearly 100% of the videos TFL produced since the beginning of the channel. I am shocked you guys don't have a million views per video. You provide awesome insight and opinions for the general public on saught after vehicles in a real world application. You deserve the best and a ton of support from your viewers. I'm a firm believer in sweat equity paying off, so keep doing what your doing! I appreciate the content!

My experience tells me, on long highway drives. Speed effects milage big time. My 6.4 with 4:10s has the power to cruise at 80mph for 5 hours straight. But at 2100rpm it will average 12.5 MPG. But if I drop the speed down to 65mph or roughly 1850rpm , it will get 17MPG. The trick is to slow down.

I always loved this channel. But it's NEVER BEEN SO GOOD!

I was at that truck stop last year, its a neat place to check out. Great video again!

I don't think I'd be disappointed owning either truck. They're both pretty nice.

As always you make a great video with real world information, Thanks TFL Truck!

Nice to see the 3/4 ton gassers being tested! Diesel is to exspensive for me.

Really good video Andre. Thanks for the comparison.

Regarding the Ram mileage with the 8 speed vs. the 6 speed. At highway speeds the mileage should not differ. The gear ratios of 4, 5, and 6 vs 6, 7, and 8 are almost identical. The difference between the two transmissions are the lower gears.

About the same as my 2012 Cummins on some longer trips at speed limit with cruise on. It’s gotten 15mpg twice on two trips from Indiana to Missouri. One stock and one with 100hp emissions intact tune. Recently set a new record of 16mpg for a trip a couple weeks ago. Maybe at 110,000 it’s finally broke in. 😁

I’m glad this was posted. I was waiting for this for a long time 🤪

That Ford Super Tremor is Badass!

That is an excellent result for a truck that's lifted and on 37's. Not to mention a gas truck to boot. Not bad at all. I was expecting between 16-18 For the Dodge and 11-13 for the Ford. Well done!

I live fairly close to the I 80 truck stop. It's nice to see a familiar place on a TFL video. 😊

Both trucks did much better than I would have expected so good job to both. I assume the Ram trip odometer of 1051 miles was used in the calculation and was wondering what the Ford odometer reading was with the larger tires.

One detail to note is the highest hill you climbed on this trip was the overpass exiting for the Iowa 80 truck stop. Between Indiana, Illinois, Nebraska and Eastern Colorado the topography could be much flatter. And as I remember, the mileage trip you did with the stock F250 was to Cali or Utah from Boulder. Anyway, nice vid!

RAM: 15.4MPG FORD: 14.8MPG Ford has bigger tires, it's basically a wash.

Cool! I live 15 minutes from the Walcott truck stop! Would have been cool to see you guys as you came through!

I appreciate all reviews that the crew at tfl does for us gearheads. However, there remains one question: what about the ford 6.2+10-speed transmission?

Andre the seats adjust. I drive mine for days and a very comfortable. Tilt the seat bottom forward a bit

My experience with the big Hemi has been it really needs some miles to break in. I’ve seen a 20% improvement in fuel mileage since the truck was new. With 4.10 gears I was seeing 15 MPG pure highway when I first bought it, now it’s hovering around 18 MPG depending on the wind. I also run the recommended 89 octane fuel and OE spec oil.

INDY! That's where I'm from. Awesome you were here man!

I have a 2018 power wagon, with a K&N 77 Series intake and a magnaflow free flow exhaust. I average about 18 overall. And I found that this truck happy spot is around 65-70. Best MPG I ever got was 19.2 about a 800 miles trip. Just cruising

I'm getting an average in the mid 16 mpg range with my 15 power wagon with 295/70-17 mud terrain tires doing a mix of interstate and country back roads with some pretty good sized hills do deal with. Makes me wonder what the gear ratios are for that 8 sp

IT's the larger tires. You effectively lowered the final drive from 3.55 to 3.08. At highway speeds you were probably running close to 4/500 rpm lower than normal.

What octane are you using in both vehicles? I know that FCA recommends 89 for the 6.4 Hemi. How about the Ford? Also, it would be great to see what the MPG is on both after they are fully broken in.

Couple things: Looks like the Ram has barely over 1,000 miles on it, so for sure not broken in yet. MPG's should increase as you approach 10,000 miles on the odometer. FCA mpg computer normal is to overstate mpg by about 10%, which you demonstrated with hand calculation. My 2016 Challenger overstates mpg too. I don't understand why FCA has not corrected this issue. My Challenger does deliver the mpg's stated on the Monroney, albeit not until I'd reached 10,000 odometer miles. At any rate, near 15 hwy mpg without payload or towing is pretty darn good given the capabilities of these two gassers.

Have you guys ever done a comparison of the mileage with and without a tonneau cover?

Both are good numbers ... I was getting 9 city 12-14 highway in my 2002 Silverado 1500 hd with the 6.0 .. all stock

Awesome video...Thanks to Andre and Case..nice job.

FORD'S new 7.3 gas engine is a BEAST!

Agree. I want to see 6.2, 10 speed.

Talking about the rear axle ratio without also talking about the transmission ratios is basically pointless in the modern world. In the days of a 1:1 final drive ratio, it made sense. Not now.

Pickup truck throwdown no doubt! Great videos and reviews with many more to come no doubt.

I'm getting the same fuel economy in my 2003 5.4 Super Duty FX4 with the 5.4 2v gas engine and 4 speed auto. I don't know if I should be impressed with my truck or be disappointed with the new trucks.

Come on Andre no need to be a left lane camper :)

They may have got about the same miles per gallon but the Ford is a beast

Great video!

I am not sure if the 2500 is the same as the 1500, but I had to go into the settings to turn on the MDS, the eco light will turn on when it switches to 4 cylinders. I have seen an increase of almost 4 MPG since doing this and can now notice when it goes back and forth. I thought it was automatic, but maybe not.

I'm a ram guy but that ford was freaking sweet

I wish the average “American” Joe or Josephine would appreciate MURICA as much as Andre. I appreciate him for enjoying this great country so much.

Hey, love the vids. Watched a lot before getting our 250 Tremor. Question, did you guys upgrade your 250 project truck? I heard it referred to as a tremor and thought you guys had a XLT FX4. Just curious. Thx.

My Dodge makes that exact same rattling noise that his did when he pulled out of the gas station. When I bought mine I took it back in and they replaced both banks of lifters and it still makes the same noise. They say it’s the hemi tick!

Interesting, my 2019 powerwagon gets the same fuel mileage. Totally would have figured that would have been a few mpg better.

Damn truck prices are INSANE!!!!!!

Working for tfl would be awesome !

My 2016 RAM Laramie 6.4 Hemi has always had an optimistic trip computer. Usually shows a full gallon better than real world calculations. But I knew that going in.

Thank you for the comparison. Both trucks sound as though they are great trucks. They may slow down the fleet diesel sales. Those 5,000 miles diesel oil changes and 10,000 mile fuel changes costs add up quickly. Keep those videos coming.

Much better than the 12.3mpg average lifetime of my Black Ford 2017 5.0l 4x4 regular cab short bed. Though she's got many bolt on's. Magnaflow dual side exit exhaust, Airaid intake. Ford 1.5" lowering kit, removed stock blocks. All sorts of other mods but they are appearance stuff. She rides like a skateboard on broken pavement, but she looks good doing it. 😁👍

@TFL, how many miles were on the ram? Mine got garbage fuel econ until 4-6000 miles, it went from 14 HWY to 18 HWY. Verified using your pump method

Since the F-250 has bigger tires....how accurate is the trucks trip computer on the odometer? If this was not re-set for the new tire size...it would increase your true real world mpg.

$71k for a gas Dodge?! Just get a diesel with a little less options.

8:30 Ram MPG. 9:05 Ford MPG Save you some time

The 3:55 or 3:73 has to be also considered along with the transmission gear ratio. So with 3:73 and 8 speed and whatever gear it was in cruising compared to 3:55 and 10 speed and whatever gear it cruised in. Then throw in the tire total diameter to that.

Love that truck stop!

I drove my stock F150 XLT Sport crewcab 4x4 5.0 with the 3.31, 36 gallon tank and a tonneau cover from Lorain, OH to Fountain, CO and back. I80 out, I70 back. A trip to the Royal Gorge when we were there. 3079 miles. I think we filled up 5 times. I managed 21 mpg. At +3 mph everywhere we went. It was even higher until I hit 75 mph zones and was doing 78 mph. 4 day trip, about 700 miles + a day. This is the second most comfortable vehicle I have driven in the last 11 years. The first mist comfortable would gave been a Peterbilt 389.

Nice video. Btw left lane is for passing

Why does the 6.4 Hemi squeak on start up? I bought a new 2020 and it’s done it from the start. I hear your truck doing it too. It quits when warmed up. Any feed back you have would be great. Thanks love your videos.

Just made a trip from Fort Worth, Texas to Glendive, Montana and back, 2700 mile round trip. Driving my 2019 Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel. 22 mpg average for the entire trip; 25 mpg average at 70 mph. I have the Laramie with all options except air suspension and sunroof. Paid $63K. Love the Tremor. I traded a 2018 Raptor for the Ram (needed something to tow with). Seriously considered the tremor with the 7.3, but wasn’t available at the time. Might trade up later.

That 10 speed and rear in the Ford must make a big difference. Does the Ford have cylinder deactivation as well? Until the 2021 Ram redesign it looks like the Ford is the better gasser. Thanks Andre!

I would like to see a show on how to get the best possible deal on a new truck...

Thanks for the info

Those are awesome mpg ratings. I just took my 2010 F150 on a trip and barely made 16 mpg. 65 mph and flat land

Andre, get out of the left lane my man.

I would like to see MPG at the same distance and type of driving done with with GM 6.6 gas 4x4.

Iowa 80! I love that truck stop

My 6.2 liter ford with 3.73’s gets 11.5 city and 13.8 hwy. makes me cry, especially now. I really would like a Power Wagon but the payments plus fuel expense just has me looking the other way every time I pass the dealership. 16.4 mpg at 7 minutes in the Ram.

6 sp vs 8sp vs 10sp. Top gear ratio is virtually the same. Makes no difference in hwy driving

"Who would have thunk" lol

So is Ram going to be going with a 10-speed soon? I’m not a gear head but if I heard the video correctly the 2500 was a 6-speed until now, yes? They seem to like the 8 speed at Ram. Interesting video.

Can you recalibrate the the speedo on the Ford to reflect the larger tires?

Remember folks, the Mopar dealers generally are WELL below the MSRP given on the sticker, and this show. Typically the most affordable trucks on the market.

those rams look SO good!

My Ram 2500 didn't start getting over 17mpg until I went over 20,000 miles. Could just need some break in time still for that one.

You guys have never done ram mega cab video on towing does mega cab tow the same?

Ford all day! That Ford 7.3 is amazing. Great video!

The Ram was breaking the wind for the F250 the whole trip.

Andre! Thunk? Excellent! Gear ratio is huge factor when determining mileage. My 373 gets way better than my 410 in a lighter trucker.

So any thoughts on the best exhaust application for the 7.3 Godzilla?

That Ford is sooooo nice!

1mpg better than the ford that sits 4 inches higher with 37s. Sounds like a W for the ford AGAIN.

Convoy of 2? lol. Glad Kase got out on the road to keep an eye on you Andre. :). 1000 miles in a couple days? How many hours a day do you drive? How difficult was it to find pit stops and hotels? Covid-19 is still a problem for some people. How was it for you 2?

Great side by side test

I wanna see that dodge with 3" lift and 37's!

Road trip, yeah.

If I remember correctly the new GM HD 6.6 gas did better on a none towing test than both new Ford and Ram, with same gear ratio as Ram. A same day Ike gauntlet test with all three at the lowest trucks towing capability is needed and same gear. I'm pretty they all do 3.73 right now. That would be a fun video.

I would love to know which one is better on the GPM Ram 2500 gas or diesel..? I'm still debating what to get Gas or diesel 🤔🤔🤔🤔 thank you guys for the great videos...👍👍👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

So what I'm getting from this is a Ford V8 with old OHV tech and almost an extra liter of displacement is just as efficient (in all stock form) as a smaller Dodge V8 with cylinder deactivation. Guess displacement and technology doesn't really matter when you have to push around 4 tons of steel.

Imagine paying 70k for a ram and not even having a Cummins

$71,000! I just bought a F250 Tremor with the 7.3, for less $58,500 out the door. The thing is a beast. I go off roading with my buddy who has a Raptor, and the Tremor more than holds its own against it. When he is scrapping his tailpipes, the Tremor has more than enough clearance. It tractors through everything. All I have to do is pretty much put it in 4wd low, and mash the gas, and it gets through and over anything. Tons of fun. MPG? Who cares? You and your kids won’t remember anything that gets 40 mpg.

Kinda curious, but how many miles off was the odometer on the Ford with tire size difference

Hopefully ram will update there HD gas motor soon. Maybe a larger displacement or updated the 6.4 for more power

When are we going to see the SuperDuty with 6.2l and ten speed?

I thought you were NOT supposed to top off the tanks due to the possibility of damaging the charcoal or whatever it is in the tank vent system????

What tuner did you use to change the tire size for the ford

If I could afford it, I'd buy Ford truck and a Ram!

GM needs to bring back a reworked 8.1 !

This is my dream career

Does the 6.4 have the same design flaw as the 5.7? Oil starvation at idle causing premature cam failure.