i Figured how to Delay Outputs on the Midas MR18 and it Actually Works (+ FREE Presets)

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The midas mr18 does not have output delays but i figured a way to do output delays and it works. in this video i walk you through the steps of how to set up the scene, time align your speakers and give you my presets
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00:00 Intro
00:47 a bit of context
01:52 important note
02:43 questions for you
03:30 Method 1
03:41 Remove all channels from LR bus
04:20 Link bus 5 & 6
04:40 Make bus 5 & 6 a SubGroup
05:03 Put all channels on SubGroup 5-6
05:12 Put SubGroup 5-6 on the LR bus
06:04 Insert Stereo Delay Effect on LR Bus
06:46 Stereo Delay Settings
08:25 Load Effect Preset
08:38 Load Scene
08:52 Latency of the insert
09:28 RECAP method 1
10:02 Method 2
10:27 Stereo Link Busses
11:02 Make busses into SubGroups
11:20 Put all channels on all SubGroups
12:07 Insert Stereo Delay on all SubGroups
12:31 Load my preset on all Stereo Delay Inserts
12:56 Copy & Paste Settings
14:00 Activate the inserts
14:10 RECAP method 2
14:57 how i tested this before buying the mixer
16:24 null test
17:16 high frequency attenuation
18:52 time vs phase alignment
19:55 speaker alignment concept
21:10 measuring the delay
21:42 measurement setup
23:11 record front speaker
23:34 record back speaker
24:32 adjust the time on the delay insert
25:18 NOTE
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@danielkharrat Жыл бұрын

Download Mr18 presets: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1h2P4kNTRcEhaCYTiLozdLHHUfz6KOh_I

@davebell1633 21 күн бұрын

Excellent! Clear and concise 👍

@Willy_Musik 11 ай бұрын

Thank you very much The only channel discussing the Delay Output on the Midas x air MR18

@knelson1180 Жыл бұрын

Very cool methods. Thanks!

@malcgarda5042 8 ай бұрын

I have an MR18 - using for an outside event this weekend - speech only - 2 sets speakers - one small L'Acounstic line array & some repeaters (spkrs on sticks) further out... pretty well figured this was how to do it but you showing the settings (particularly on the FX) really helped - thanks for posting the video! Fab info!

@willchorhotsoi 9 ай бұрын

finally some one cracked this 🤘, been years im hoping to do this with the handy xr18. Big Up.

@sound4uaudiovideorecording927 Жыл бұрын

Very innovative! I have to wonder how you came up with that “formula”. Good on you!

@TimmyP1955 5 ай бұрын

I did not know about the delay modes. Thanks!

@3mstudiospalmdesert Жыл бұрын

Excellent video

@maxammo6282 Жыл бұрын

Man that's cool. You've really done your homework. All that for such a small venue. 1 ms is all you dialed in that's a lot of work for such little return

@GuillaumeLortie Жыл бұрын

Good workaroud man! its not ideal but definitly better then nothing !

@ratiostudios2875 9 ай бұрын

Your video just saved me a LOT of confusion. I've been trying to delay busses on the X32 and I had no idea this effect could do this, thanks!

@danielkharrat 9 ай бұрын

On the x32 you have output delays you don't need to use this effect

@121mcloving 9 ай бұрын

@@danielkharratI’m not delaying outputs, I’m delaying busses of differently positioned mics before they go to a matrix for output, your method works though!

@dieoberbayern Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@pascalb6 8 ай бұрын

Dear Daniel, thank you so much for sharing all this knowledge with us. I was thinking if it could be possible to plug the M32c to MR18 (as stage box) using USB connection maybe ?

@danielkharrat 8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately no. The mr18 cannot be used as a stage box for another mixer. If you need more i/o you can of course connect them with analog xlr cables but you cannot connect them digitally

@juliodiazgranados2131 Ай бұрын

Hi Daniel, Excellent vidéo. I'm a fan of your vidéos in France. I have a question. Will this work with a couple of mids and a sub? In a 2.1 system as FOH. I have some experience and I dont have the money to buy smart, but I have Reaper. Can I do this to aline in time and phase? Thanks from Marseille Julio😊

@danielkharrat Ай бұрын

You can allign time with reaper But for phase you don't need to buy smaart, there's a free alternative called open sound meter i have a video on it

@samroney6644 7 ай бұрын

Great video! Very helpful. I will use this with my Behringer XR18. Just one thing I would encourage everyone to consider: The MR18 is a waste of money. Music Tribe owns Midas and markets the exact same mixer for half the price under the Behringer brand as the X-Air XR18. I have compared both devices side by side, in detail. They’re the exact same device with all of the same features and same software, made to the same quality standards, just marketed to two different price markets. You literally get absolutely nothing for the difference in price, except for a different name stenciled on the front. They are literally the exact same product in every way, simply with different brand names written on them.

@danielkharrat 7 ай бұрын

The difference in price is because of the different preamps. The mr18 has the midas pro preamps that are used with the midas pro series of consoles. The xr18 has the midas designed preamps which are different. I listened to both and at high gain i could easily hear the preamp noise on the xr18 but the mr18 was much cleaner

@darenwashburn6830 Жыл бұрын

Hey bro! Great video, very innovative. But you could have just bought a DBX Drive Rack Pa2 for less money than the X-Air 18. They are like $500ish. And you can set delay times on the unit.

@danielkharrat Жыл бұрын

We needed a digital mixer anyway because the analog console we had has a lot of limitations and is really old

@darenwashburn6830 Жыл бұрын

@@danielkharrat no I hear ya bro. I have a behringer X-Air16 for gigs. I love it. Good stuff.

@lrogers35 4 ай бұрын

I have a Driverrack PA2. I’ve only seen a delay of up to 10ms. Is there a way to get higher (40-50ms)

@karlsaamuelhollman7028 Жыл бұрын

Hey! I did your first method, do I need to bring up the delay effect channel volume level so signal would come through? Or can I have the effect channel itself at -infinity and it will still come through

@danielkharrat Жыл бұрын

No because it's an insert. The subgroup fader should be up not the effect fader And because it's an insert there's no send and return You are inserting the effect directly in the signal chain of the subgroup So just keep the effect fader down, you don't need it

@njgroven 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for this great video! I'm running livestreams and looking into the Behringer XR18 to replace my analog mixer. Now I'm wondering if this delay workaround could also work to delay my mic's (for lipsync with HDMI camera's) via a bus and then mix this together with video and other sources that don't need this delay. I would love to get one stereo mix out of this console with only the mic's of the people talking delayed in to my videomixer. Do you have any thoughts on this?

@danielkharrat 8 ай бұрын

Yes you can make a subgroup and put the mics in that group and put the group on the main LR and insert the delay on the group

@njgroven 8 ай бұрын

Great! But just one more question so that I know I understand correctly. In this example; a aux on the physical device is the same as a bus in the software? So the only catch would be that I lose two outputs on the console, but I gain lip sync with the mics and cams :)

@danielkharrat 8 ай бұрын

@@njgroven correct

@waynakins Жыл бұрын

Thanks Daniel, with this method does this mean the Main L/R Inputs are unusable, as everything needs to be physically connected to Aux 5/6, or can Main L/R be utilized for another room where time delay is not needed?

@danielkharrat Жыл бұрын

Why would they be unusable? In this video I'm using aux 5-6 and the main LR. I'm using all 4 of them. Not everything is connected to aux 5-6 Aux 5-6 are connected to the front speakers and main LR are connected to the back speakers And the subgroup 5-6 goes to the main LR. So you can do whatever you want there's no reason why you wouldn't be able to use the main LR

@waynakins Жыл бұрын

@@danielkharrat I understand better now, thank you. So only Aux 5-6 are affected by the stereo delay? and Main LR wont need a delay? Thank you for your time.

@danielkharrat Жыл бұрын

@Wayne Bradley i showed 2 methods in the video. One of them delays the main LR and the other method delays the aux 5-6. It's up to you to decide which method you wanna use depending on what you want to do

@rmrzz Жыл бұрын

why is midas ignoring requests to put delays on the aux?

@user-ux3ee7wo3n 3 ай бұрын

Brother Blessings, good day, I am Pastor Anderson Osorio from Colombia, I want to use the FX stereo delay in my church, but I have 2 PA speakers and a new one behind, I need to apply the delay on that speaker because the auditorium does not need 2 speakers at the back, as Would I apply this stereo delay FX to my Behringer X18 console if it is just a speaker?

@danielkharrat 3 ай бұрын

Yes you would do method 2 Send all your channels to a bus Insert the stereo delay on that bus (You will only use one side of the effect)

@michaelsommer5787 Жыл бұрын

Nice idea, but why not you use a matrix output for it and set a delay on the output?

@danielkharrat Жыл бұрын

The mr18 does not have a matrix and does not have output delays. That's the whole point of the video. I did it in that way because these features don't exist on this mixer

@michaelsommer5787 Жыл бұрын

@@danielkharrat Thanks for the clarification. I use a M32 and these functions are available there. God bless you!

@noelbulls8628 Жыл бұрын

That’s cool but a-lot of work. I would have measured the distance between speakers and plot that measurement on the midas to obtain the delay. Done I know you test on the midas but the Midas already gives you that delay distance number for you. lol😂 good video

@danielkharrat Жыл бұрын

If you only measure the distance, it will be off by 0.5 millisecond because that's the latency of the stereo delay insert on the mr18. What i showed in the video guarantees an accurate result regardless of the latency of the insert

@noelbulls8628 Жыл бұрын

@@danielkharrat well yes but if you already knew this then you would have added the 0.5 milliseconds to it. I get it men. Everyone has a different way of doing things and what matters is you get the same results or close enough.

@grahampetersen4826 9 ай бұрын

Hi Daniel can u help with this problem my bus 6 no sound it worked a week ago thanks in advance

@danielkharrat 9 ай бұрын

Do you mean the xlr output 6 is not outputing any sound? Or there's no signal in the bus itself?

@grahampetersen4826 9 ай бұрын

@@danielkharrat hi Daniel there’s signal but no output

@danielkharrat 9 ай бұрын

@@grahampetersen4826 go to routing -> aux out And assign aux 6 to bus 6

@grahampetersen4826 9 ай бұрын

@@danielkharrat hi Daniel it’s routed it shows signal on the meters but

@grahampetersen4826 9 ай бұрын

But no sound

@xoverfher Жыл бұрын

You could teach us how to make a downgrade from iOS 16 to iOS 15

@danielkharrat Жыл бұрын

I don't use any apple products so the answer is unfortunately no

@VladicD Жыл бұрын

@@danielkharrat very good decision :'D

@kevinortega7773 Жыл бұрын

Hey man thank i got a xr16 think it has that and it does'nt and geoups did no help you self my life

@timjbowers 5 ай бұрын

Does a simpler way work? What if you set bus 5-6 post fader instead of subgroup and add your delay there, then use 5-6 for delays and L-R for your main mix?

@danielkharrat 5 ай бұрын

Yes you can do that

@timjbowers 5 ай бұрын

My apologies. Next time I'll finish watching the video first. Nice work. I'm using this today.