I’m happy knowing the frogs with hats enthusiast is now making a new show

Will NEVER forgive them for what they did to IT

I’d rather them just show re-runs of GOT S8 than this lol

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Well friggin said dude!!

I agree with your comparision. He is pointing out how women use their sexuality to get what they want while appearring innocent and weak. I don't think he is a feminist though.

@@skippersnacks I don't think he's a feminist but I believe there's a chance HE thinks he's a feminist.

@@CC-sg1ff I get you.

Omg I was gross out by this line and no one said anything about it. Like wtf is a 14 years old supposed to control with a 40 grand pa😑

@@skippersnacks14 year olds are pretending to be weak whilst being molested by 40 year old men? I think you watch too much porn my guy.

Exactly!

Pretty sure that justification is an excuse and is not the real motivation. Either that or the showrunner got what he deserved for listening to him

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it REEKS of "oh god what if the Weeknd leaves the show" and not actual artistic merit

Bunch of “yes men” and nobody with some damnnn sense 🤦🏼‍♀️🥴

Oh, God, please, NO. Not the Weekend with Jenna Ortega. Jenna is too good for him. She needs to stay away from Abel the TRAINWRECK.

Jenna is on record saying that the script "intrigued her and knew she had to get on it right away" this one's going to be a psychological thriller so maybe it'll deliver

He needs to be 1000000 feet away from all these super young women ✋🛑

@@societycrumbles “all these??” lily is his only co-star so far and she’s 24 years old. Jenna is not playing his love interest in the movie. She’s reportedly playing a psyophathic, obsessed fan who stalks a famous singer in what is supposed to be a dark thriller

​@@nickalem5692 because obsessed fans are never depicted to feel sexually atracted to their idols. Even when underage... I mean, I'm not supporting the theory that "he has a type" with underage women, because like you said, his only co-star so far is 24 years old, but he is the producer and writer of only two projects so far and both of them are about a female unreasonably obsessing over him to the point of adoration. And I find THAT part worrying. There have been projects like this so far, but... The only two you have ever made? Subsequently?????

It’ll probably suck and just be some pretentious PC BS

From what I’ve heard from people reading the original script, her version of the show was really good and had nuance. The Sam Levinson version isn’t even a good satire.

​@@LordTitus7you literally think this show is good I don't think you're the right person to determine whether this would be pretentious

@@rei02862 hey everyone has an opinion 🤷🏾‍♂️

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS I watched a few videos on this show and from what I have gathered, the idea is honestly so good. I would love to see a show about the struggles of a woman trying to stand out in Hollywood while everyone around her is trying to take advantage and be in control of her image and work! I won't lie I was pretty pumped about this show and now I'm disappointed :/

i really dug a few of his albums recently but i can’t unsee this shit 💀

I can't look at him the same ever again this crap was so disturbing .

most of his music has the same sleazy messages but for the longest time i thought it could've easily been a character, the same way nicki minaj had roman. then this show comes out and he straight up says that they rewrote it because a story about a woman in the music industry had "too much of a female perspective" and i think that i'm not going to listen to his stuff anymore.

Agh same and I really liked several of his songs 💀 my fault for watching ig lol

Hate the fact that Jocelyn became this mastermind manipulator and Tedros is portrayed as this victim who is betrayed by the woman he loved most in the world bs. I guess that's Sam Levinson and The Weeknd's idea of female empowerment, women are evil manipulative and toxic men are just poor victims

She was putting him in his place!

@@CiGiDancer WRONG. NOT BY GETTING BACK WITH HIM. THAT WAS A RIDICULOUS ENDING.

@@dextermoore278 Not by getting back with him, but by destroying him. She wanted him, he was her muse and a replacement for her mother who was once her muse, but Tedros thought he had all of the power, and Joss showed him undeniably that she was the one with all the power. The act of destroying him also put her management in place. She needed to make them believe that they were in a place of power. Destroying Tedros also achieved that. But the fact of the matter was that Joss loved Tedros and loved what he inspired within her, she wanted him, but he needed to be put in his place! This story is a lot about vying for power, who has it, how they maintain it, and how it is wielded by different people in different dynamics.

@@WNT2BLV That's still not a good reason. Did you see HER ENTIRE TEAM SCREAMING AT HER? WONDERING WTF TEDROS WAS DOING THERE? THEY GOT RID OF TEDROS BECAUSE JOCELYN TOLD THEM TO. It was just shitty writing and a bad story.

Yes, there are so many more or less subtle misogynistic and overall harmful messages in this series ... I need a youtuber to sum them all up, like, so many people don't get it and think "It's just a story with fictional characters" but it's supposed to reflect the actions and experiences of real people in real life to some extend.

yooo lmao i hate that that’s a unit of measurement to determine quality 😭

@@katrinamack444 ikr

@@katrinamack444Eh, not inherently. There are massive fandoms for extremely mid series like Harry Potter, so I wouldn’t take it as an indicator of writing quality. It’s more so how likeable/enjoyable a piece of fiction is, to which the idol is flaming shit that nobody wants to touch.

the funny part is they both use the old name for jennie's character...they were written before the show even dropped LMAO

@@appletart7262 Harry Potter is amazing and does its female characters justice, probably because a woman wrote it unlike this garbage.

This part! Literally so many parallels between the show and his first album Trilogy, amongst other albums.

no the way it added nothing to the story at all lmao. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume sam really thought they were getting a second season the way he followed up on nothing.

She isn't a good person. She used Rob, then didn't care when he was in trouble. She was hurt that he cheated on her, even though it was her idea for an open relationship. People felt sorry for her at the beginning of the show. She was being exploited, taken advantage of after her abusive mom's death. By the end we see she's worse than any of them. Don't judge a book by the cover.

@@skippersnacks Yes. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.

I think she didn’t defend him because she was already associated with bad press. So a public statement would mix her name with a rape case while she’s about to release the S&M style pop music, lol

​@@dextermoore278media literacy 0 I guess

@@williamelliott186 SHE STILL SHOULD HAVE DEFENDED ROB.

Yup. Love this music, absolutely. Great voice, but the personality is a no. Toxic toxic toxic and I only care for PEACE ❤

I honestly think they just wanted to make her respectable and "cool" in their eyes. Like "not only did she enjoy everything she was put through but she's also strong and not a victim". I think this because The Weeknd sings about a similar caricature in some songs from his album Trilogy, and in those songs its the only type of girl he seems to respect or get his heart broken by or whatever.

They showed a scene from Basic Instinct in the first episode, right? Sigh.

Basic Instinct was an influence for The Idol. I can't remember if it was Sam or Abel that said that. I also think Basic Instinct is directly mentioned in an episode.

Yeah she lied the whole time & he then realized she was just as bad or even worse then him

​@@goated3285 but there were witnesses of her mom's abuse, including Leia who wasn't interested in the least in manipulation games and getting into the cult, so...

⁠@@goated3285i still don’t understand the people saying she’s “just as bad or worse” than him… like i get that the show wants you to think that by the end, but nothing in the actual content of the show demonstrates that to the audience? like… she lied about the abuse and used tedros for creative inspiration. and… what else? didn’t let jenny’s character release the song that was originally hers? didn’t let troye’s character sing (though he said that was her mom’s doing, so…)? i guess she manipulated everyone around her but i’m not sure what she manipulated them into doing since she kept getting told no by her team the whole time until she came up with some profitable music of her own and finally won them over, which… does not scream manipulative cunning to me, that’s just plain old straightforward work. did she make people believe her mom and tedros were abusing her? but if she never went public with her mom’s abuse and people on her team were still harsh and said no to her anyway, what sympathy did she really gain? why didn’t she use it to profit artistically sooner and in a less convoluted way if that was her plan? like it doesn’t really show us what her big evil plan was. then there’s tedros, who has literally kidnapped, physically abused, and pimped out women in the past in addition to grooming vulnerable and underaged people within his cult, and he’s supposed to be… equally or less evil than her? or as sam said, “the real victim” all along? like… idgi

I doubt it. Levinson is a nepo baby, and I don't think he got into the industry because he wanted to make good art. He's just making the kind of material he would want to see himself: young sexualised girls desperate for the attention of older men. And he has the connections and the funding to literally bring his fantasies ("I'm a cool edgy director that gets to hang out with half-naked women in sex scenes all day,") to life.

Apparently there was a whole episode cut!

Why? Have you listened to Abel's lyrics? He's an awful human beeing.

You can thank David Zaslav for that

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