How long has it been, since you quit? And what are you doing now?

If you are a doctor you better not be in it for the money.

Absolutely. But I feel like if she gave it up completely she might feel like she doesn't mind it at first but when reality sets in that she basically spent all those years going to school and paying off debt only to make virtually no money from her degree. So I feel like she's got to find a middle ground where she stays plugged in either take some time off or reduces to doing like telemed two days a week. I'm a PA that just paid my loans off and if I was in her position having just paid off my loans, I would absolutely have to at least stay plugged into some degree to avoid feeling like I wasted so much time

Then my question is why waste your time all those years to go to school and residency just to not do it? All that money what a waste

Amen

Yes!!

Agree. Seems like she desperately needs a break. Also during this time i imagine it’s so stressful to work in medicine. If she reduced for a while she may find it appealing.

She can also make online medicine and still cash so good money and have time for her kids!

@@ThatDoll25 She can still have a break but it would be wise for her to keep the license by practising. She could work part time. Such as doing the odd evening and full saturdays.

You don't need to be working to keep your license active, you just need to do CEUs and renew.

HA! Yep

….now I want to quit. 🤯

I do not understand this at all. I understand taking time off or switching jobs, but to go through all of that education and training, paying off all of that debt, and then just quit? That is baffling. Just take a breather and then go back.

Yup. That's about it.

And to think beyond the money aspect, that is an enormous chunk of your lifetime to spend on something where you ultimately ended up at zero.

So now you want to pay doctors exorbitant amounts of money to sit at home and be a mom? Can we just skip the "doctor" part entirely then?

​@@kleindropper Did you not read the last sentence where it says go part time?

Absolutely!!

Agreed. As a nurse I can tell you some physicians don’t get the credit they deserve. They are some of the hardest working people out there and the money doesn’t even come close to being a main reason to do that

Yes. Healthcare is exceedingly difficult, especially today. I left clinical practice to work in sales and it’s much easier. I keep my license up just in case but can’t see myself going back.

Bingo!

@@dm96177 could you please provide some information about how you ended up in sales for other physicians such as myself?

Many women find themselves in similar situations. If I could go back and do it all over again, I believe I’d fight to be a SAHM and wife rather than going for higher education and becoming the breadwinner.

@@ts3063 so true 💚

Agreed! I also think the key here is that they paid off the 300k so now she can live whatever life she wants. Often times, we say we want to live a certain way but ultimately can't because some may have loads of debt which then holds everything back.

@@auomi8762 who knows..She may discover a way to use her skills differently..maybe counsel med students.contribute to her rural community..encourage highschoolers toward a better life.. since I grew up in a small town I can attest to the fact that I didn't even know about a lot of jobs that existed so I didn't pursue educational possibilities toward other directions

@@KC-dr3cg agreed!

Paying off loans just gets u to $0.

@@ymuly777 good point

@@PInk77W1 It depends what you are paying off.

@@johnSmith-uz8nl true. But I paid off my cc and tore it up and have never looked back. Bought my home cash. I have zero debt and big bank. In a laborer and a high school drop out. Life is good

@@PInk77W1 Wanted to add... becoming rich is not about the size of your shovel, it is about how much you can save each week/month and investing those savings wisely. I became a millionaire on a very low salary.

Yup, I know some that are ready to bail.

@1 Funnily enough, after I broke up with the resident, I dated and married a nurse.

I wonder what they do after with a medical degree?

All the ones I know like money too much to just quit lol

Wow …. Really. Interesting

Dave's assistant is wrong; doctors aren't motivated by a desire to experience the thrills of the profession. They're motivated by a desire for money and social status. Quite frankly, we would all probably be better off if the job didn't pay so much. That way, we wouldn't have so many of the wrong kind of doctor.

She needs couple months off to be with her kids and then try again part time.

@@azores15 If you have a job that requires that much dedication, education, and competence, then at the end of it all you only get paid an average salary, 90% of doctors would never go to med school. We need more doctors, not fewer. While money can create perverse incentives, not compensating adequately also creates poor incentives.

@@nichtsistkostenlos6565 As it pertains to medical school, there's no good reason applicants should have to spend four years getting a university degree. The pre-requisites should be sufficient. And it's not the public's fault that residents are overworked and underpaid. That's all just hazing.

@@nichtsistkostenlos6565 And I never said doctors should be paid an average salary, just that they shouldn't be paid the obscene money that most of them make. Remember, it isn't a victimless crime - the money doctors are paid doesn't grow on those proverbial trees. Somebody has to pay it, and that somebody is everyone who's paying those outrageous health insurance premiums.

Yes! I was thinking the same thing. Sunk Cost Fallacy

Once she realizes it is a fallacy, it should be easy to walk away. The spell should be broken.

@@cadavison easier said than done. Time, brain power, stress, and money have all gone. And for nothing? It's hard to justify walking away after such a sacrifice.

@@abdullah7792 I don't think you know what "fallacy" means.

@@cadavison knowing the definition of "fallacy" won't magically break it. Not that simple kid.

She wasted years of her life

But its a waste to do something you hate. Buy working part time with no vaccine mandate seems okay.

Definitely!

I agree. Total waste. Go to work. Pile up that cash get completely debt free and enjoy life

It's alot easier said then done. Sure it's the mature thing etc to do a job you hate, but most people don't understand the vileness that people through at you when you are in Healthcare of any sort. From CNA to Medic to Doctor. It's why people are leaving the profession and there is a shortage of medics Nationwide. It's not worth putting yourself in danger or dealing with the mental abuse you deal with on a consistent basis. And no. No one gets into Healthcare thinking they are going to be an emotional punching bag for patients, co workers and those they work for.

I think this is the first comment that gets it, a lot of the other people think they understand how stressful these situations can be but that's because they are only focused on the money.

Unless you have a developmentally challenged child, kids don't need to be watched 24/7

I hate to slam reality on you, but thats not how it works. She did the work to start her life, what was the point of going to school, just to pay off the debt? Now is when she should get after it.

@@kingdele01what? Kids are watched at school by adults…?

@@nightwings8984Sunk cost analysis. Who cares what she does if the debt’s paid off?

no you can't because of licensure. she's restricted to serve certain states.

This is a good idea

My grandmother raised a family, worked her small farm and worked on other small farms. She is lucky that she is a doctor because there are part time options with that profession.

Absolutely agreed. She has paid her dues. She can stay at home for abit, then she will miss patient care. She will go back, hopefully.

Exactly! And no. Your education isn’t a waste. She seriously can pick up her work anytime she wants. The worst case scenario is that she won’t be making as much as her peers or perhaps need to do some extra courses or training. But no way was her education a waste as many falsely seem to think. There’s nothing wrong with taking a break and being with your kids!

My mother stayed home and DROVE ME INSANE! I begged her to leave me alone and get a job. Do something! Staying at home and cleaning and feeding kids is a horrible way to spend your time.

@@lainedoss2734says you, but you don’t realize and appreciate what you had I don’t think either, it’s sound like you resented her for all the wrong reasons

Yup same here! I took 3 years off being a registered nurse after 17 years in healthcare. I am jus now ready to step back into it.

​@@sarazink2237amazing

@Lesbian Mustard Bottleno, CheapoBunny is correct, I’m a travel nurse and healthcare workers are wired differently.

I hear you on that one.

@Lesbian Mustard Bottle you don't understand the personality of a Healthcare worker of any kind, doctor to technician. Your comment is so wrong. sincerely a Healthcare worker

In healthcare and I love vacation and time off~ granted if its paid?!😂

I can't wait to quit working as a medic and never going back. If I could declare bankruptcy and work at Walmart, I would definitely be alot happier.

My dad told me not to become a doctor. He said it wasn't worth it. But grass is greener from the other side. Sometimes I wish I had chosen medicine though... Not sure a corporate life is better than a doctor life... Perhaps my dad didn't experience how life was like for others who aren't doctors

Yup!!! And total compensation at a pharma company for MDs/DOs would be substantially more than a clinician for most specialities.

Oh she said $190K lol She’d make SUBSTANTIALLY more base, & total comp and be able to work from home Some other roles than what mentioned above: medical science liaison, pharmacovigilance, safety science/medical safety, outcomes research, epidemiology, pharmacoepi, project/program management, so on and so on

Working 12 hours a week as a doctor and coming out with a salary that is very near to the average salary is not a bad option.

College professor 😊

The exact thing can be said for most high level professions. Engineers, lawyers, construction project managers. Most really high functioning people find it difficult taking vacations or just relaxing. It's call conscientiousness and *not* especially unique to the medical industry.

It's about prestige, ego , and money

My wife is a doc, the field is very tough. I couldn't do it

You sound like a great mom and wonderful doctor! Glad it worked out for you!

This is what worries me when professional woman say they want to quit and stay at home. It's a really difficult situation but a person who is wired to work hard and be busy is going to be depressed when their kids gradually don't need a stay at home mom anymore. Also if there's any issues with the marriage they're now financially dependent on their husband.

@@littleripper312 you know you can work at least part time when the kids are in school, right? Leaving your kids with strangers all day to make more money than you need is not ok. It's greedy. That applies to moms and dads. If dad is more nurturing and mom makes good money, he should stay home. Nobody should be blaming women in this but somehow the kids well being is always forgotten.

@@staceystrukel1917 we are all doing the best we can with what we have. Life is complex and ever changing. Lots of prayer is the best guide to navigate the many work/life family dynamics, and the changes that happen over time. What seems like a blessing one day can turn into a curse another. In a complex, long game it’s hard to say what is right, and what is wrong.

You're no doctor. "would of made..."? "if I could of..."? Jesus Christ!

This is the best solution. She will have enough with Kids once they are a little older and autonomous, she will be a little bored and would want to do something else with her life. Just take a break and come back to it in the future.

She needs to maintain all her certifications, and keep a foot in the system. Healthcare is not always forgiving to people who take time off because they do not know if you have kept up with your skills and knowledge, definitely easier on the nursing side than physician side.

I am sorry she regrets being a stay at home mother for you. That is not how it should be. That is definitely not right.

Great reply

@@icawn why? She was a stay at home mother to please her husband, the general view of the period since her husband was earning more than enough and also due to contingencies. Thst was it, since after married she relocated from Italy to South America. I understand now she was also very weak more than once and later she regretted it. She loved us and took very good care of us, but she was never really in peace with herself. Problably she was smart but in the '50s and '60s she didn't have the gut to assert herself.

I believe when we make a decision and feel unhappy with it the automatic assumption is that we made the wrong decision, but that is not always the truth. My mom, like yours drilled into my head that I should find a good profession, stick with it, and maintain financial independence. I have a good, intellectually challenging, and high paying job. Before my kids I loved it and was excited to start each day. That changed for me once the nurse put my son in my arms. Now I resent my job. It burns me out. I dred getting up in the morning and having to do it again and I feel completely trapped. I feel like I have lost time, years, and experiences with my children, and the stress and pressure of my job takes away from my ability to parent well. I agree with your mom soon you will be an empty nester, but in my view that just makes it feel worse, because I could have worried about work then. That has been my experience so naturally I might assume it's better to stay home and teach that to my daughter. I rather not drill anything into her. I hope to help her understand the risks and rewards of either situation so she can make an informed and personal choice where she is prepared to listen to her heart and understand the color of the grass on both sides of the fence. For my situation I do the best I can to make lemonade out of my lemons.

Great point.

Was thinking the same. Hope she enjoys her family and then continue w her career.

She being selfish. By not working. She need to at least work part Pay of the house and save.

That's what I thought!

They kind of did. They encouraged her to quit the current job and then figure out over time what she wants to do with her career.

I completely agree with you! Not having debt opens up so many doors for you.

Hi I feel burnt out already doctor what should I do

And? It happens everyday in the American system look at all the debt vlogs on KZfaq half of them are Americans paying off student loans for professions they don't want to do anymore and degrees they won't use

Money is everything.

They just paid off 300k. I doubt it would be any change at all. All that extra $ was going towards debt.

@@mph5896 That's a wild assumption.

Paul Varjak in their 30’s, paid off 300k in 5-8 years. Attending at 28 or so, under 200k salary. Nothing is wild about my comment, I know the industry. They were living on rice and beans to do what they did.

Exactly and the longer this doc is out of the field the harder it will be to get back in and be relevant-cause where I work all the doctors are from other countries and some are paid cheaper (on contracts) and they hustle, this caller is dreaming. Doctors are very competitive and so it healthcare-she needs to stay in the field and do teledoc or something-cause she will not be relevant sooner than she thinks.

Most positions for drs are not part time, that one only happens if you work for very specific clinics

She can work part-time in clinics. When I worked in urgent care as a medical assistant, we had full-time and part-time physicians.

No offense to you but everyone is wired differently. And it’s much diff if you have a career you’re passionate about vs just a “ job”

@@VHale-yz7hcno offense to you but I am 23 (almost 24). I have a masters and have been an engineer for about 3 years but have been doing engineering things for as long as I can remember. I absolutely love my job but if I didn’t HAVE to do it meaning that I was set financially for the rest of my life, I ABSOLUTELY would not be working. I would still be working on projects on my own time when i feel like it but I for sure would quit my job. There are so many other things I rather do and that’s coming from someone who’s entire life is centered around his work.

Exactly why go through years of training education to be a stay at home parent didn't make sense to me

Sound advice but sometimes when you’re done, you’re done

Exactly what I did at age 42. Also in medicine, paid 325k, built passive income with real estate and now work is optional.

You shouldn't just walk away from 10 year $300k investments just because one day you feel like it. It's not a clear "sunk cost fallacy" because she is benefitting financially tremendously by staying in. Sunk cost fallacy usually refers to when you're losing money/investment by staying in in hopes of a payoff, the payoff is guaranteed in this case and she's walking away from the direct benefit.

I agree with tour assessment.

What is your line of work?

@@bighands69 Im in public education

@@egr3071 If you are a teacher and have the savings you could take a career break or even find a part time post. If you are in management it probably would be more difficult to take that break.

@@bighands69 i am applying to other jobs and I’m also considering a year off. Thanks for your genuine reply!

More broke than you think

It depends on the doc. Some are swimming in it. The spine surgeons I work with probably make upwards of a million a year. You should hear the conversations I listen on from behind the anesthesia drapes. But in this lady’s scenario? 300k of debt to make 190k… terrible ROI indeed

​​@@triiii1303 The ROI is actually not terrible! - Working full-time would result in her paying it off within 3yrs - Every year worked after that is pure profit for her & her family. I wish I had a business that made such guaranteed profit 😂! Also, different hospitals pay you different amounts and with years of experience, you could demand more compensation.

*edit from me*: OVERworking is overrated if you have no debt.

Administration in Healthcare is stressful.

Teaching is stressful!

Those are both highly stressful fields. Also I agree with the earlier commenter - most physicians would never sell their souls to go into admin. Basically on par with big pharma and the insurance companies.

There’s no such thing as a not too stressful job that pays well

​@@jill9606 There is nothing in life that doesn't involve stress. I'll tell you what would be more stressful, having the hi back to work 15yrs later ,(older, more tired with potentially chronic health issues or widowed), whenever your kids need money to go to college

Stupidity

Your kids are only young once. She can always go back to work once they are in school. I think she’s burned out and needs a break.

Exactly why does this always happen 😂 the dad should just be a stay at home dad with the income she’s making.

@@nmuganda1 okay but what do we tell men to do that are burnt out and need a break? We tell them to man up because they have a family to take care of. She needs to do the same thing I’m sorry to say it but she makes WAY more then her husband so it’s either that or they make way less money…

@@Thebootyrater It's not for every one. It has it's own unique challenges.

People get burnt out/depressed. Nothing to be mad at, should be understanding for their well-being.

Bad husband

@@candy2325 I would be mad about my wife quitting medicine. It doesn't mean I wouldn't support her decision.

You have NO Idea the Stress

I mean really, if you would be mad about it, you could always go to med school....

She wouldn’t have had to burn herself out if she didn’t take out $300k in student loans. You may ask, how else you pay for medicos school? Well she now wishes she didn’t in the first place.

@@spicerc1244 so that's your solutions to problems? Go back in time? There are other ways she could get off debt and won't be living on rice and bean but those ways don't alight with Ramsey model.

@@smhninja3746 How else do you pay off debt without using your own money? If you don't have the cash to initially go to college then you shouldn't go. Not at that time anyway. Same thing for a house. Save, save, and save. Nobody said it would be quick, nobody said it would be easy. You don't have to go to college at 18. You can save and go later. Anybody who says otherwise, just wanted to party with their friends. She should never have gone to medical school in the first place. It wasn't for her if she can't afford it - and that has proven to be true now that she hates it.

It depends! For a single person, one can do something similar without being really burned out. But for a person married with kids, it might be a harder pill to swallow.

That's actually pretty standard for a family practitioner and she lives out in a rural area in the midwest.

@@kensmith2796 no it’s not

That's what I thought. Three babies on top of hectic work schedule, no wonder she's fried.

She wanted those babies

Double standard. What makes u think he hasn't stepped up? Would u say that if the man was the doctor and the wife was staying home taking care of things and going to school to start a career? I doubt it. It probably has made sense for the man to stay home because of her high debt and higher income.

Her choice why do people have multiple kids then complain about them