mATX is the middle child: often overlooked but still just as capable in the right scenario. me & my ASRock B450M PRO4 are happy with where we stand.

You touched on this a bit but I’ll expand a bit more - I think manufacturers see mATX as a budget option. If you’re buying a board under $100, chances are it’s mATX. ITX is still niche so it’s generally higher priced with extra features and ATX is left for the “SUPER HIGH END BALLS TO THE WALLS” builds which leaves mATX in a weird position. I’ve really only used mATX builds for myself because of their price, but I generally also prefer smaller builds because I move every year or two so it works for me. But yeah. No high end X series mATX boards blow Also - petition to make everyone say “zed” instead of “zee” 😎 nice vid dawid

Why aren't atx cases smaller?? I love my phanteks p350x but it is 20-30cm longer than needed like they think that I'm gonna do a custom loop in a 50 dollar case..

Defiantly agree on this and not to mention how it’s cheaper overall (case + motherboard)

Ryzen 3600 + B450m Mortar max is the best budget PC of this year

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Did my first ever build in this exact case, love it, mATX all the way, and now there are a bunch of really nice b550 mbs out there for mATX, (they weren't around when I built, I just have an ITX x570 board in the mATX case, which is mostly fine)

I too am an matx lover, I use a Silverstone ft03 which is such a cool looking case. I really wish the form factor had more love.

I completely agree with you. Only around a month ago, I built my first pc, with a r5 3600, 1660s, and b450m mortar max. Worked fine for a month then I started having problems. Tried to find alternative parts online and was shocked at how little good options there were for micro atx boards. Hopefully this changes in the future 🙏

I love the forum factor size. It honestly makes my pc easier to carry around. But the same thing, there just isn't a good selection of available boards for matx, which means that I'll probably go itx for my next build

Have an Matx build atm, works well, especially since I have a small room and I wanted it to maximize the space in my room. Hopefully like you said, they make better Matx mobos.

Hey for ryzen you actually have 2 pretty good b450 matx boards and affordable the B450M Bazooka Plus and B450M Mortar [Titanium] (Don't know if the non titanium is as good but should be they look the same) you should try one of those in your build they can even support the 3900x if you have a case with good airflow (which you do)

Im a convert. I just ran with my Fractal Arc Mini for the last 7 years and will be upgrading my entire rig to a Cooler Master NR400 next week on a B450 Ryzen 5 platform. I do agree they should definitely have more options, because really, how many of those expansion slots do people actually use on a standard ATX platform?

I have this case and love it. All watercooled setup and I use the final slot for my extra SSD. Definitely buying the larger version for my server build.

i am actually buying my parts for an matx build today. I think since this video came out there has been way more support and also decently priced as well

I’ve recently started gathering parts, I went with mATX because of my size scenario in my room. I think I’ll be fine with an ASRock b450 it seems like a great budget way out especially for someone who Is new to pc’s.

How do you get around the problem of getting cool air to the GPU in mATX case? I've been wondering if something like a Sama IM-01 is even better due to the GPU being able to just draw air directly in from the bottom..

Hey Dawid, have you checked out the ASRock B450M Pro4? According to the chart that was posted on the AMD subreddit during the Zen2 release, it should be enough to actually power a 3900/2700X if you have some airflow going over it.

I like my Tecware Forge M argb matx case but I find it hard looking for compatible vertical gpu mount without sacrificing your back panel grills.

I've always been a matx builder, I don't know if it's the smaller size or cheap motherboards, but I love it! Only thing I'm now missing is some more pro motherboard settings I which I could have on my b450 motherboard :(

I think m-atx is great if you are going for low to mid range parts. I myself am on the low to mid and my system is doing well with a little over clocking headroom on the CPU and GPU. I have found finding an actually small m-atx case to be difficult though. I ended up going with a Jonsbo V4 which I fits my needs perfectly. Was worried about heat but that is no problem so far.

Hi! Do you think its a good idea to build a PC with i9-10900k with some water cooling (for example Kraken x63 etc), 2080s/2080ti in mATX case like yours/NZXT h400? What about overheating and noise levels if I`m planning to put it on the table next to me?

Does it make any sense to put a matx b460 board into an atx case for the sake of cooling and expansion??

Hey it's MrDoughnuts from twitch. I enjoyed the stream and look forward to the next one!

November 2020 5000 series zen 3 dropped. What you guys think about today's options now? The msi mag motar b550m looks promising

What's your take on the current X570M boards? Asrock X570M vs Colorful CVN X570M

It’s funny how I’m in this predicament as I need to upgrade my pc with most probably a zen 3 build. After going super small with itx using the NCase M1, I’m frustrated with coolermaster deciding to appease the sffpc subreddit users to make the NR200 around 18L. If it had some minor cable routing options and could reliably fit up to 165mm height cpu air coolers with the side mounting bracket, I would have bought it right away. The Lian li tu150 kinda fits the bill, but I wish the top was used for room for two 120mm fans, while the front panel had room for two 120 fans. I have a spare Silverstone tj08e, but with the outdated storage drive cage design and lack of high end matx boards for X570, I get the feeling things won’t change for matx X series amd boards for zen 3.

B450 Aorus with Ryzen 7 2700X here, the VRMs have been my concern since day one. But to be fair my system has been very stable so far with actually pretty good performance. The point is, mATX makes a lot of sense for people like me that wants to put their PCs on the desk because, due to my room's furniture, I don't have much space to put a Full ATX system. And what's the point in having a good looking assembled system if you can't see it when it's hidden under your desk?

Great job standing up for us M-enthusiasts! Although, I am a fan of ITX, just to see how much I can cram into a tiny space. Kinda wish there was an even smaller form factor.

I build my machine in the Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L and honestly, I freaking love it. it's so tiny compared to the tower I had before, and paired with my R5 3600 on a MSI MAG B550M Mortar, it works great honestly.

I absolutely love my MATX Ryzen 2600 build wouldn't go with another form factor!!!

Recently bought a 3090, and in my itx case it was constantly hitting it's thermal limit. Transplanted all the hardware into this case (meshify mini) and that dropped temps by up to 20°c on both my cpu and gpu. It may be a "budget" option, but it works well.

Yes Dawid, I have a soft spot for M-ATX systems. I have a MSI Aegis 3 as one of my rigs. It's not the most powerful system I own, but it's still perhaps my favourite. I purchased it a couple of years ago specifically as I was looking for a small form factor that packs a great punch. It's only 30cm (12") high at the front and 40cm (less than 16") deep, yet the model has multiple options for people depending on budget, from 1050 - 1080Ti, system processors vary and the ssd, hdd, ram etc are all expandable due to the clever case design. The built in WiFi is the best I've experienced for reliability and the system is as quiet as a mouse, even under heavy load. The case doesn't take up much space on a desk and is a handy size (clever carry handle build into the design) to transport around to friends/relatives for a gaming/VR night, another reason I purchased it, a desktop rig with portability. It's a really nice looking case as well. I think it won a design award, great performance for size. I would like to do a M-ATX build from scratch though if I can find the right case and motherboard etc.

I tried mATX, and my GPU temps went from 68 in ATX to 83 in mATX. Anybody experience the same? I'm thinking of getting this case. There's just so little space between the GPU fans and the PSU shroud, just like the one in this video. How do you guys fix this problem? Is the PSU shroud removable in this one? What's the point of the bottom fan in this case?

im happy that after i did my reasearch and now know i picked the same case as you like 15 mins after i decided the case so it's awesome and i also chose mATX for the purpose of it being on my desk

i want to buy the Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT GAMING OC which is a tcker card but i have mATX case will this fit?

Choosing Between the thermaltake h17 and the coolermaster q300l for my first microatx build but I'm a little concerned about thermals for either. I'm planning on buying two 140mm fans to the front for either. What do you think is the better option?

Good video. Kinda what I think too. I've built my first pc years ago, and I'm still with it. but it's an ATX because my friend told me it was just better for gaming. well, I will never go SLI or whatever, so it's taking a lot of space for nothing. Now that I consider changing part, or rebuilt a full new pc, I see how crappy the market is for MATX.. Hopefully manufacturer will understand the needs here.

guys, Motherboard Gigabyte B460M Aorus Pro is it good? i am building a i3 10100 and rx580 build and pretend to upgrade to at least a i7 and rtx 30 series does that mobo support it?

E-atx master race B) I’ve always dreamt of having a high end e-atx. But hardline tubed m-atx systems are imo the best looking combo

A bit late to this discussion but, I recently finished a mATX build in a Mini Pop Air and its great. I was concerned with heat management but it runs very cool. I'm running a 5800x3D on the Asrock B550M Steel Legend, 32gb Corsair Vengeance LPX, 1TB 980 Pro, Fractal Lumen 240mm AIO, and a Sapphire Pulse 6750 XT. It all fits very cozy like and just looks super clean without all the unused space that's usually in a standard ATX case. As long as they keep making higher end mainboards I'm probably gonna stick with it.

is msi b550 mortar wifi micro atx mobo good for rtx 3080 and ryzen 5800x build?

Just did my 1st DIY in 5-6 years - R5 3600, Asus TUF B450M Pro Gaming in a Montech Flyer mATX case. Came out so nice I ordered a 2nd Pro Gaming in case I want to build another one. Will have to go with a slightly larger case though as I apparently bought the last Flyer. :(

I'm running a Ryzen 5 2600 with an Asrock B450 Steel Legend MATX with a huge ASUS ROG STRIX RTX2060 inside my Fractal Meshify C Mini and i love it!

Hey can I use a older Alienware Aurora R5 R6 liquid cooler on a Amd 5600x? On a B550m phantom gaming riptide board?? In a Mini Atx case??? Reason I'm asking is because I can't find the answer anywhere and I really like the alien head on the cooling block... I know I should be using a 240mm cooler instead but it's a experiment lol.. I can prob use the block with another rad like a 240mm if need be but figured a matx being small already and the case being small that the cooler will work with its short hoses... but also I dunno if it'll even fit the 5600x chip

Exactly my sentiments! Nailed it. FD Define Mini C user here. Went for Asrock B450M Steel legend when I upgraded from AM3 to AM4. It does the job. The cases are prettier and it can still fit something like a Sapphire Nitro+ 5700 XT card in there too. Indeed then I only have a sound card (Xonar DX/XD) plugged in there, so I do not need more expansion slots. Even my Noctua D15 fits just fine. An ATX-case would just look empty (and boring). I love mATX too!

i have an asus prime h310m-e r2.0 mobo . will my 3060 work on this mtx mobo?

So mATX motherboards aren't able to properly run ryzen CPUs? I'm making a semi budget build that I thought was pretty future proof but this just screwed my whole build. Hate being this guy but do you know if the r5 3600 will perform alright with the ASRock b550m Pro4 micro atx? I thought the form factor looked nice and preserved performance, didn't realize I'd be hindered by it.

It's still a good choice for budget/midrange builds, though. Slap a B450 or B550 with a six core Ryzen and a midrange GPU in there, and you come out significantly cheaper than an ATX board/case combo. The only reason I don't do that is because I have both a sound card and a wireless card that aren't great choices to sit right next to a hot GPU.

Can we use all the ports on a motherboard? Doesn't the size of components matter? Don't some graphics cards make other ports unusable because of their big size? I am asking because I am a beginner.

You said something about ryzen cpu’s with b450 motherboards, i have Gigabyte b450 aorus m and ryzen 7 2700, does this mean that my cpu isn’t using it’s full potential?

so i have ( be accident) mATX asrock b560 pro4 in an atx case.... panteksp600.. there is lots of space just not sure if i can put up with it, or maybe the cable lengths / slots available.

The problem with case design now, is they are almost all designed with added space for water cooling. So most M-ATX cases are as big (or bigger) as a small, budget ATX case. It seems like small case design peaked in about 2014, which is pretty sad.

I started with ATX builds. Moved on to mATX builds. And am now into my third ITX build. I love SFF stuff. I just don't like the lack of CMOS switches or diagnostic LEDs that's become the norm more recently.

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Will a Ryzen 5 3600 run well in a 450?

"This version of Fractal design C doesn't perform any different thermally than the ATX version." What are your cpu and gpu temps under stress testing and under load with this setup? Also, did you try this setup in an ATX case to compare that data?

In 2019 I bought a new PC and went full mATX: cheaper MB compared to ATX but same quality, same good airflow of ATX, and smaller than ATX so it takes up less space. I love the format and I agree manufacturers give it way less credit than they should. Why do people buy ATX boards to only put a single GPU on it, does it make any sense?

How about itx builds? do they have good mother boards?

But will a triple fans GPU fit in this Micro ATX thats what im worried im bout to buy RTX 3070 ti or RX 6700 XT they got 3 fans and they bigger larger in Length.

I've got the same affliction...Haven't had an ATX board since my Abit KT400 socket A/462. Now, I have 2 Ryzen ITX, the gigabyte ab350 gaming ITX, and the Asrock Fatality B450 ITX. The other 3 are Gigabyte's B450M-D3SH, Asrock B350m-HDV and B450Mpro4. The best MATX case I've found is the CoolerMaster NR400 (it's a LOT like the Meshify C mini) And, the N200 works pretty well, too. Looking to put the DS3H is a slim micro running a 3200G...And ideas?

So far im in love with my matx build. Here's what I got: Thermaltake Versa H18 with 5 case fans, 3 in front, 1 up top, and 1 in the rear. The case itself isnt the largest thing in the world, but its really good for the price, especially with the mesh front Asrock B450m Pro4 Ryzen 5 2600x (saved a ton of money bundling this with the motherboard at micro center) Rx 5600xt (kickass card btw) 8gb ram with 8 more coming s o o n Im about to throw a wifi card into this from ASUS thats bluetooth capable. I couldnt find any solid options for matx wifi boards, which doesnt make sense given that its still a somewhat portable systen compared to atx and wifi boards arent uncommon in mitx. I wish there was more capability for built-in wifi, but i guess thats what i get for getting an incredibly valuable setup for, again, my first build. The size of the case is perfect for what I need, and I hope I can stick with this size, or smaller, for the rest of my life

I love my B350m Bazooka when i first built my PC back on October 2019 and im also in the bandwagon in the MATX builds maybe manufacturers are focusing more on people that want to overclocked their rigs but im not in that group or ever want to OC mine, I started with an Athlon 200ge and gradually upgraded the parts and eventually got the Ryzen 5 2600 for the CPU Upgrade. I might upgrade the GPU from a RX 580 to an Nvidia GPU like the RTX 2060 when prices are lower when the RTX 3000 comes out. and im keep this rig till i plan to upgrade to maybe like when Ryzen is at 6th gen or above.

cases aren't even available anymore, I would love to see the techware fusion/ sama im01 stateside but i guess demand isn't there

Luckily, the ASRock seems to be a decent board. I think m-ATX could be the future, but more people need to take it up. Another good case is the Fractal Design Define C Mini.

i would like to see more sffpc style mATX cases, they are a niche in the niche tbh, I like my b450m-mortar, it's ideal for me but at the same time i want something small...

me too, I'm trying to build my first pc with Asrock B450 stell legend and ryzen 5 3400G. still deciding on casing either an invasion 815 MATX or an NZXT 510. But I'm going to upgrade slowly with cpu cooler and graphic cards. what do you think?

My fist motherboard was the MSI b350 bazooka. It was a pretty decent board, and I have found it online for like $70. Itx boats cost too much and most of us do not use the full potential of a full ATX board (I do because I have multiple expansion cards in my computer. But most people really would like the flexibility of an M-atx board.

Is streaming possible on an i5 4570 and an rx 580?

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Just built a mATX in the CoolerMaster Q300L a few days ago. Ryzen 5 3600X, RTX 2060 OC, and a Kraken M22 AIO. Mobo was a Gigabyte B450 DS3H. My biggest problem with the mobo was the lack of fan headers. I had to buy an adapter with voltage control that plugs into the PSU and had 5 fans plugged in. Runs beautifully but it is annoying.

Looks at the MSI Mortar stuff, it's really good.

Why his CPU cooler hangs out a little bit?

I love matx PC cases. My current pc (which is my first pc) but there needs to be more budget matx cases (in white) for under $50

I have a X370 matx board with a ryzen 3600 and I love it! Favorite form factor for sure.

I love M-ATX! Been using them for a long time. The reason I stick with M-ATX is for my media PC. When I upgrade my main system, the old hardware then upgrades my media PC. Therefore, they BOTH have to be M-ATX, cuz I've always used M-ATX for my media PCs. I liked your vid! :)

How is the MSI b450 Tomahawk MAX for a ryzen 5 3600?

I love mATX format. Actually all my motherboards from the past were mATX. Currently I have SilverStone SG03-F case and I think it's the smallest one where I can fit some usefull expansions, that most modern small cases don't have (like card reader or blue ray). I have three cards: gpu, TV tuner and sound card. It's pretty full with stuff. Unfortunately it's hard to make it silent, as it's not really designed to have good airflow... but I love it anyway.

i just built a matx amd system. there are exactly 2 matx x570 boards out there right now. i went with the asrock x570m board. i love this form factor. i went with a thermaltake core v21 case.

I still love MATX, you can fit a gpu, a cpu, all the ram and not have a honking great desktop. its not like sli or crossfire is a thing anymore. ATX just has a whole bunch of PCIe slots that will be empty forever and MITX is so compromised that your GPU will set itself on fire.

I'm getting my Ryzen 7 on a mortar max next week

MATX is the best form factor for me, there is no unused pcie slot that makes PC feels hollow, unless you do custom watercooling.

I've been looking for a small matx case but can't find one I'm happy with. I'm only going to use m.2 drives so I don't need any drive bays but that doesn't seem to be a thing.

Can you put a full sized gpu in a micro atx build

3:00 Have you looked at the MSI B450M Mortar Max?

I just ordered my first ever gaming pc, building it in a meshify c mini. I found a decent b550 mobo for it from asus tuf. I'm putting a 3700x and a 3060ti on it.

The real problem with mATX is the fact that outside of a few decent cases, most of them are over-sized for no reason, and take up just as much--and more in many cases--desk space than regular mid and full towers when ignoring height.

I definitely love my matx Fractal design meshify C mini. ♥️

i bought a microatx board recently because my old atx system in a normal case was taking away so much space even though the case was half empty. i wanted to check which case would fit after buying the mainboard and right now im sitting here, kind of desperate. even microatx cases have so much unnnecessary space. i'm probably going to build a case by myself..

TBH im going through this issue... kinda i currently have a 2080 ti and 8700k inside a define nano s (mini itx..) and ive been wanting to go M-atx however the mobo's just arent there.. i love m-atx cases tho. i wish companies did supported it more. but until then the define nano s is my case

this part of not supported mother boards was new to me. thanks.

Is that case a ATX case?

the first PC I buy with my own money was a Dell Inspiron Desktop, and as all OEM PCs it comes in MATX size. And I just got used to the size, when I finally built one myself I went with ATX primarily because the small shop that I went to only carry ATX boards, and after building the thing it just looks humongous, I just can't stand the sight of it on my desk. So it has to stay under the desk, ugh. After that system goes through it's useful life I have been building MATX ever since

ask about how many expansion cards I have "chuckles with desktop then dies of laughter with file server" I agree with you about MATX needing to be more widely adopted, I hope that x570 AsRock made is good.

Mid 2020, we now have B550 MATX motherboards with good VRMs for Ryzen.

Spot on mATX problem where motherboard manufacturers often mislook this form factor. Thanks god the Z490 intel platform got high end choices. Using ROG Strix Z490-G (Wifi) on my NZXT H400i and I absolutely loved it!

I'm using that same case. I absolutely love mATX. It isn't super compact like ITX but it doesn't waster a lot of space like ATX does. I'm not going to have four expansion cards, so I don't need a full size ATX, but I don't want to sacrifice cooling and ease of maintenance like you do with ITX. mATx is just such a nice middle-ground.

Well this has grown outdated because now they do have great boards for matx

I'm more an ATX / Full tower kinda person myself, but I did build an M-ATX computer that resides in my living room, and I gotta say, the M-ATX case I used was far superior to the mid-tower I used for my ATX build. Bucket loads more space for drives and what not and in some ways easier to build in. This was an AMD build around the B450 days and had a number of mobo options available. Could it just be that the X570 is still very new and manufacturers are covering the larger markets first? (ATX / ITX) Or perhaps its a geographical thing and they don't release / announce them over there as the demand is too low. (I haven't looked in the past year)

Love my m-atx case, fits my mortar max fine (which is basically a tomahawk max downscaled to m-atx and has great vrm heatsinks and such)