I Love the Helix BUT....Can the Helix do the Keeley Halo Effect?

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I Love the Helix BUT....Can the Helix do the Keeley Halo Effect?

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Жыл бұрын

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I'm a big fan of Andy Timmons' tones and playing, and so when this Halo pedal came out a few months back, I wanted to check it out, but the price was a bit prohibitive. The price in the UK at the time was around £319, though I think they can be found for about £285 now. The key question though - can the Helix do that? I'm not sure, but here's a try.
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1:20 Chat and frustration
1:54 What I've Tried
5:17 Conclusion
07:25 - Device A
8:30 - Device B

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@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

So this was a struggle - do you think I got close with this or not? Was Device A or Device B the Halo at the end of the video - can you tell?

@ruvchbrevth Жыл бұрын

Device B is the Halo 😎

@DrProgNerd Жыл бұрын

My guess: Device B is the Halo

@vidisic Жыл бұрын

A is Halo

@cybersixx Жыл бұрын

B halo

@acemodean Жыл бұрын

B = halo

@andytimmonsguitarx-perienc7391 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for checking out the Halo John!! Lovely playing as well ❤🔥❤ I instantly knew which was which...but I won't spoil the fun :) Devil is in the details!

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

OH the master himself!!! Love your playing and tones so much Andy - and love the Halo settings!!

@andytimmonsguitarx-perienc7391 Жыл бұрын

@@johnnathancordy Thank you kind sir!

@stevelamm2366 Жыл бұрын

You never know who might be watching, John!

@Chris_Nouvelli Жыл бұрын

So based on discovering John’s channel, I’ve just been introduced to Truefire for the first time and subsequently bought an Andy Timmons course. Thanks gents!!

@christopherjbutler Жыл бұрын

@@andytimmonsguitarx-perienc7391 I was wondering if you would find John after my superchat to you on the Tone Talk live stream re You making Dan cry on TPS :-) Glad to see you here. John makes really gorgeous improvisational pieces, two videos each morning.

@stevelamm2366 Жыл бұрын

As far as I'm concerned, they both sounded very good and close. There were some slight differences, but unless one is really determined to nail the Halo effect exactly, the Helix did fine.

@musiclaw1486 Жыл бұрын

Both A and B sound really good! Yes! Please include the Preset into HaloTheif Folder.

@ashbrandon6076 Жыл бұрын

Pretty damn close! Love to see this in the folder!

@naazrael Жыл бұрын

I knew I could count on you to make something to emulate the Halo. Thank you for your work!

@ennspek Жыл бұрын

I'm so impressed with these videos. The quality and the frequency. Keep them coming. I'm a Helix user myself.

@DavidMorisset Жыл бұрын

With what is taking place outside, both provide an angelic sanctuary. Awesome.

@timsellsted521 Жыл бұрын

Both A and B sounded great! I think B was the Halo. Let me know if I got it right. I'm def going to get a Halo. Need to sell some stuff first though. Thanks for doing the Helix stuff. I love my Helix and use it daily. The new cabs are pretty amazing.

@timhopkins3810 Жыл бұрын

A couple of minute differences but to be honest I’d be happy with using A or B! Good work getting it as close as you did! Definitely put that one in the folder 👍

@DrProgNerd Жыл бұрын

Pretty dang close. When you recover, I'd love to see a Quad Cortex attempt.

@patrickb2125 Жыл бұрын

So much love from South Africa! Literally my fav guitar channel!

@picksalot1 Жыл бұрын

I thought they both sounded good, and quite similar. Thanks John for consistently rising to the challenge of seeing if the Line 6 Helix Modelers can emulate such of wide variety of Pedals and specialty tones. We should remember that none of those pedals can come close to emulating the variety of what Modelers can do. As far as which sound in the comparison was which, I can't say. Device B sounded a bit more compressed, so I'll guess it was the Helix, and the compressed sound was due to trying to even out the volume of the first repeat in the delay.

@jimmyjams1974 Жыл бұрын

I have both as well and I agree the helix can do A LOT but the Halo has it's own thing IMO. All great tools!

@tommaycock5459 Жыл бұрын

I've been waiting on this video, as a big Andy Timmons fan. I've come close with dual Memory Man blocks and Crisscross delay. Just started your video, so anxious to see what you came up with!

@southpaw335 Жыл бұрын

John thanks for doing the hard yards on this one, was keen to see if you could get there, and it is close. The Halo has been the only delay or modulation type pedal that’s really tempted me since getting the HX Stomp. On their own, sure there is a little difference in the volume of the repeats as i think you mentioned, in a mix i doubt i’d really notice it. Great job. Off to the folder !

@joekyleboston Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for this John! Grateful.

@vizun Жыл бұрын

I think it's great, pretty close. I think the stomp version would sound just as good playing and in a mix. Were really just splitting hairs after that

@thomashawke2822 Жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you. I'm also trying to recreate it in my Helix Floor.

@timopeedu6077 Жыл бұрын

Gorgeous tone. Yes please! thank you!

@Maysha6bona Жыл бұрын

Really close and awesome both, but B has a tiny bit of depth and roundness that I like. I guess B is the Halo?

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

B is the Halo!

@Homer_Guitar Жыл бұрын

You nailed (as always). Please share the detailed setup.

@mikeller Жыл бұрын

Excellent job - no guess on A or B !!!

@frusciantegeartone 7 ай бұрын

I thought b was helix, because it had more repeats and I figured you tried to compensate by adding more repeats. But I actually thought A sounded better and more “real”. I’m impressed and you have sold me on getting a helix with all your videos. If only I could afford such a thing 😂 😭

@CMHobbies Жыл бұрын

Halo to the thief-drop it in! I was hoping this was coming-sounds close enough to me!

@john808welk Жыл бұрын

For me it's the 70s plate in the specular tempus. nothing else quite captures the magic.

@cwwmbm Жыл бұрын

I think you came close enough IMO. Obviously you pin point differences but I don't think I'd know the difference without you specifying it in the beginning, i.e. they sound slightly different but both good. My holy grail would be Polymoon I think. I got LVX and after playing around and being amazed at all it can do I settled on just a simple diffused Poly structure that is just the best stereo experience I've had, period. I might end up selling LVX and getting the Polymoon as it's the only one I'm using.

@LowSkyStudios Жыл бұрын

BOSS Tera Echo is the one thing I keep looking for and no modeler can do. Malekko Scrutator is another one, it just sounds phenomenal to me and bit crushers in modellers or multi effects I've tried never lived up to it.

@Place_to_keep_videos Жыл бұрын

Boss GT-1 has it.

@LowSkyStudios Жыл бұрын

@@Place_to_keep_videos well yes apart from Boss modelers I mean, which run the actual Tera Echo engine. There is no algorithm in any non-Boss modeler that I know of that does the Tera Echo thing or something close to it. It's really unique and it sounds super bitchin

@ruvchbrevth Жыл бұрын

Exactly! The Halo is a master of its own, that’s why I run it WITH the stomp 🖤

@DavidTaylor-cv1sp Жыл бұрын

Where, in the HX signal chain, are you running the Halo?

@halfdriven819 Жыл бұрын

Sounds killer. Great work as always

@sboy1955 Жыл бұрын

You did a great job on the A/B samples you provided. I’ll take a (wild) guess and go with A as the Keely based on the guess that you pulled the overall feedback levels down on the Helix (B) to emulate smoother repeats. Would like to see this in the folder for sure?! Edit: This was already in the folder “HaloThief”… thanks John!

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

Device A was actually the Helix

@sboy1955 Жыл бұрын

@@johnnathancordy - how about that.. the Helix is good 👍🏽

@Bob-gm1yq Жыл бұрын

@@johnnathancordy good to know. I prefer the Helix. Thank You. How do I get your downloads? I'm new to your videos.

@markeburgstahler2860 Жыл бұрын

@John Nathan Cordy did this preset make it into any of the folders? I was getting ready to buy the folder that has it....

@sboy1955 Жыл бұрын

@@markeburgstahler2860 - Yep it’s in there. It’s called ‘Halo Thief’

@masterofreality230 Жыл бұрын

Hmmm, might have to try it on my Volante and Ventris, that diffusion might be hard to do with anything besides a reverb

@SteveFrank111 Жыл бұрын

I love my Afterneath. I haven't been able to replicate some of those sounds with any other piece of gear.

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

Man the Afterneath is a LOVELY thing

@joebowbeer Жыл бұрын

These experiments are always interesting to me. You might pick up a few tricks from Craig Anderton's Big Book of Helix Effects.

@humansnotai4912 Жыл бұрын

John, ultimately it comes down to who's holding the instrument. You play beautifully mate, that's all I can say. Namaste x

@renatoxavier2610 Жыл бұрын

hello friend! boy, all your videos move me, all tops... I'm Brazilian and I really enjoyed your work

@ksharpe10 Жыл бұрын

JNC the Merlin of the helix realm. well done. I think device B is the Halo, but it is pretty close.

@ehsaannoorani Жыл бұрын

lovely playing

@davidspingler6337 Жыл бұрын

It sounds close enough for me to not care which was the dedicated pedal and which was the Helix. Any subtleties there might be in isolation would be pretty much lost within a mix anyway 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Sparkyalan1411 Жыл бұрын

I’m going A as the Helix…not as comparison, just loved the tone of A and want it to be the Helix… 😂…gr8 playing by the way.

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

Is it the Helix!

@jackprice7828 Жыл бұрын

One interesting thing I've battled with is my "always on" delay. It's the kind of delay you want on especially for clean, to just give that little bit of spatial tone without being an obnoxious repeat trail. I have a Strymon El Capistan which I still use. However honestly the Transistor Tape Delay in the Stomp, does a better job of the "always on" delay.

@jeffbateman2339 Жыл бұрын

Great job…. PLEASE INCLUDE ON YOUR PRESETS!! I’ve been on the fence about buying a Halo. You got close enough with the Helix, it’s not even that the Halo is BETTER…. just different subtleties that most people wouldn’t notice

@togelz Жыл бұрын

Lionel Richie's favorite effect and you can see it his eyes, you can see it his smile

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

I sometimes see you Pass outside my door

@cmonsterz Жыл бұрын

Fascinating video. I’m agreeing with most of the people commenting on this, which is to say that both sound absolutely great. Yes, I hear a little difference in the Halo, but that difference doesn’t so much sound “better” as just a little different. Btw, if you recorded the guitar dry and then ran that through both the Halo and the Helix, maybe the differences would be more specific?

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I did

@jetset9561 Жыл бұрын

My cloth ears couldn't tell the difference - of course after about 5 secs of each A and B I forgot what I was supposed to be doing and just got transported to Andy Timmon's Toy Story party.

@vladimirpavlovic9488 Жыл бұрын

Pigtronix Echolution 2 delay is very unique sounding, especially in its tape mode. I have not found a way to emulate what that one does. Its deep, dark, yet clear enough for live band mix with lots of very goof lfo modulation options. I think you should check out that one, it goes for relatively affordable prices on the second hand market and it is a total sleeper.

@ozmusic3035 Жыл бұрын

You have to do a video about what the E string can do that the A can’t

@jaricklosey4607 Жыл бұрын

Sounded pretty close to me! Just a reminder in the fractal it’s supposed to be the multi tap Aurora model. Did you ever have a Strymon dig and if so how does that compare to the Keeley?

@dhaefele81 Жыл бұрын

Good job! Both sound great.

@mickeygiesbers8176 Жыл бұрын

This is the reason I still use my Eventide H9 with my Helix, I’ve tried to emulate the Undulator effect, never made it work 😂

@DesotoJones Жыл бұрын

Damn that intro was stunning.

@MrNastyguitar Жыл бұрын

Please Drop it in

@martoneill Жыл бұрын

Definitely close enough for me!

@danielmarti Жыл бұрын

The Halo is Device B! The sound is fantastic, more natural than the Helix can! I think the band structure will then clearly show what the halo can do, it shouldn't cover the sound but make an audible ECHO! Better than El Capistan and Dig from Strymon? We will hear! I think you can make an extremely good sound with all the pedals mentioned, but the Halo takes up much less space on the pedalboard. In addition, you not only have a tape echo but several useful ones in one pedal and you can save 8 sounds. Actually, the case is clear the Halo is a hit!

@MrNastyguitar Жыл бұрын

close and very useable

@danabnormal5892 11 ай бұрын

If I buy the patch can I put it on the hx effects I wonder ?

@andsoistopped Жыл бұрын

That delay will make you jump. 😂

@didifischervideo 5 ай бұрын

B is the Halo - A sounded warmer, but not as transparent

@RomainBigeardGuitar Жыл бұрын

I own an H9 as well as a Stomp, and the Stomp can't really do what the H9 can do, Eventide algorithms are quite specific

@PieterJordaanWillem Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be able to tell because I'm not familiar with the Halo, but I slightly preferred B, whatever that means

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

You preferred Halo

@PieterJordaanWillem Жыл бұрын

@@johnnathancordy You came really close in my opinion. I'd say the tails of the delay are a bit darker on the Halo, which is about the only thing I could pick up

@GabrielFingolo Жыл бұрын

This difference on feedback ratio was very noticeable to me when i tried to make my "halo sound"

@dcthegreatest24 Жыл бұрын

A was helix. Repeats are a bit too loud in the mix, making them too harsh. That aside they are very close. I've actually come up with a halo preset that's really close after watching Andy on TPS.

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

Correct - the difficulty with the Helix taper is that the echoes disappear a bit quicker than the Halo - so that first attack of the Halo is a bit quieter, and the rest of the repeats are a bit louder relatively!

@stratless Жыл бұрын

Very close John!

@trickfall8752 Жыл бұрын

Not a sound I'd be likely to use in anger, but they sounded incredibly close to me. I thought B sounded a hair better when playing multiple notes. I don't think I'd be able to tell any difference when they were both ringing out.

@bigjohnsgmail Жыл бұрын

Man! That's outstanding arrangement and delay diving!

@toddlogan9023 Жыл бұрын

Halo way smother and more of a bloom

@jdwild1698 9 ай бұрын

Wow man you did a great job with the Helix brother ,very good sound ... But the Halo (B) is just to f-ing die for IMHO, now if it only made us all play like AT that'd be the shit ! Thanks

@almightyguitarnerd Жыл бұрын

I would gladly buy this preset and others if you ever do them for HXFX. Good job!

@TheMrClaus Жыл бұрын

you can probaby throw them on a demo version of Helix Native, strip the amp and cab and make it compatible with HXFX. Or at the very least copy the values manually

@TheMrClaus Жыл бұрын

I dont mind doing that for you at some point this week if you can't

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

There's not actually any amp or cab in this so you could run it on HXFX yep!!

@almightyguitarnerd Жыл бұрын

Thx guys. I will be sitting down with my HXFX and giving it a shot. I was generally speaking - having creative collection for HXFX would be a shag

@valeecs_ 12 күн бұрын

A is helix and B is halo!

@traceyoungs1637 Жыл бұрын

I think device “B” was the Halo….? Both sound really good .

@therangersinger Жыл бұрын

B is the halo...I guess. It sounds like it is fattening up the tone a bit as well. They are both very similar. B seems a bit more.....uhm....natural 🤷

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

YEP

@therangersinger Жыл бұрын

@@johnnathancordy sweet 🤣

@antonsaviozzi Жыл бұрын

Sounds REALLY cool to me! Is this preset in the patches bundle then?

@av8tordonny398 Жыл бұрын

Line 6 just needs to add a Halo into their software and problem solved! I was trying to do it on my Eventide H9, and it sounded ok, but not quite there. If anyone has a good one for H9, please share.

@alex_pederiva_guitarist Жыл бұрын

Amazing man!! Halo Thief!!

@markforier4667 Жыл бұрын

Super interesting how to get these effects in the ballpark. Question: if you have a holy grail pedal, can’t you tie it in to the helix chain? I would be interested in how people do that,

@x3a3x3 Жыл бұрын

Fancy programming a version for the FM9 mate?? You would definitely get a few coffees for that 😏😉

@kyran4238 Жыл бұрын

The look on your face says, "I hate matching tones for A/B tests, kill me now"

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

Man people have been asking for it for so long and it took me so long

@jviolin Жыл бұрын

Were you running the Keeley in stereo in the FX loop of the HX? Thanks Enjoy your videos!

@guipaguipa Жыл бұрын

To the folder Hihihihi nice work

@danieleonorati6671 Жыл бұрын

Please put it in the folder!!!

@stevelamm2366 Жыл бұрын

John, Let's say you decided to use the Crisscross delay in stereo during a live performance. Would you have to be running true stereo on stage? Even in your studio, are you running stereo outputs from the Helix to your KZfaq recording?

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

Correct!

@jasonrowland3379 Жыл бұрын

I think Brett Kingman emulated it in the axe fx.

@danpfeifer7618 Жыл бұрын

Fractal themselves did. It's now in the multi tap delay as a type.

@jasonrowland3379 Жыл бұрын

@@danpfeifer7618 was that what Brett was using? I thought he said he put it together but I could totally be wrong. It’s been a while.

@donfreeman686 Жыл бұрын

I would really like to be able to reproduce Duane Eddy’s twangy reverb on my Helix.

@yvandewever6518 Жыл бұрын

Do you think this is achievable with the Boss katana?

@guitardigitaltone Жыл бұрын

John! Could you make a video emulating the "Halo" on Hotone's Ampero II Stomp?

@gilguajardo7808 Жыл бұрын

I kinda feel like, if Andy used to use 2 DMM delays, then maybe it’s not that difficult to get his more “historical”sound on something like the Stomp.

@jobibar9937 Жыл бұрын

Hi John. can you try and do it with the Quad Cortex? it will be amazing brother! thanks!

@GabrielFingolo Жыл бұрын

I recently made a video about a helix presset I made based on andy's board and sound, i came to a kinda similar sound to the halo (from what i heard in his videos) if you want to try it, it's on my channel, John!

@georgepaschalidis9840 Жыл бұрын

Is there a preset in your packs with this? Great as always!

@jessenicholson1777 Жыл бұрын

I think you did a great job with the Helix, but the sound is too down the center. The Halo immediately sounds way wider, which is largely coming from phase reversing one of the delay lines. Not sure if the Helix can do that? In the Fractal, if you want to get someone close without completely driving yourself bonkers, use the standard Delay block and use the Dual Delay type, which has cross feedback. Set the feedback of the second delay negative, which reverses the phase. You can dial in some modulation, drive and diffusion to taste in the advanced tabs. Look at one of the tape delay types and copy over parameters from there for things like EQ and modulation.

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if it's definitely much wider? I can get it wider in the Helix, but I specifically brought it in from the 100% panning - but yeh in the Fractal I think some other more creative things would be possible too like you suggest!

@jessenicholson1777 Жыл бұрын

@@johnnathancordy it makes no logical sense but when you phase reverse a signal, you get a "wider than 100%" width, which is referred to as a phychoacoustic effect. You may notice in some blocks in the fractal, you can go to 200% spread, which is 100% with one side phase reversed. A good example of this principle is a TC2290, which is technically a mono delay unit, but has the right output phase reversed 180 degrees. Try a TC2290 after a cab and toggle the phase reverse on and off to see what this does. On the Halo, especially in the trails you hear them as being way off to the sides. I think that even gets at why they called it a halo.

@BrianFerracci Жыл бұрын

@@johnnathancordy The Aurora model in the MultiTap Block is supposed to be a halo. Keely shared the schematic and the description of exactly what is happening on the Andy setting of the Halo in the Fractal Forums and Cliff added it quietly. Def on the FM9 and AXE III, I think you need the new beta firmware to get it on the FM3.

@partriotsfight5039 Жыл бұрын

B was the Halo I believe

@olsza6969 Жыл бұрын

device A and B totally different if you are very IN on space.. Prefer A, still B is ok but not my cup of tea. A _yes_ very nice delay smoothly attached to reverb. very nice. Well done A

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

A is Helix

@jazzapv Жыл бұрын

@@johnnathancordy So then looks like I preferred Helix 🤭

@olsza6969 8 ай бұрын

It reminds me Neunaber Echelon soft scatter 10.2@@johnnathancordy

@yourhomeonmaui Жыл бұрын

This sounds great...can you make one for us pod go folks....Thanks...; )

@warmitag Жыл бұрын

I cannot tell, are the delays in series or parallel?

@chrisfit Жыл бұрын

B is helix. Sounded pretty close. Halo would be a great delay to have on a board with Stomp

@johnnathancordy Жыл бұрын

B is actually Halo!

@chrisfit Жыл бұрын

@@johnnathancordy Got me! Good video! Thanks

@mgammill Жыл бұрын

I think B is the halo because the notes aren't in the way as much

@billszatanek3215 Жыл бұрын

How many takes do you do to nail those perfectly phrased melodies man? Great player and I appreciate your work for these videos. I was using 2 elephant man blocks in series with the times at 375 then 500 following. But the way you dialed it in with the crisscross with the faster 500 into the 375 sounds way more accurate. Thanks again John 👍

@ennspek Жыл бұрын

Certainly close enough. An audience would not be able to tell. We focus too much inwardly and go round in circles.