Just a bunch of decks I'm running on ladder recently. Many of them are experimental so use with discretion: dreamborn.ink/...
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@KetalTV4 ай бұрын
I'm the french guy who made the interview, shoutout to you to give us credit ;-)
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
France has such a great lorcana scene and community!
@KetalTV4 ай бұрын
@@ZefaGames We try to do our best ^^ I hope you'll like the next 300 players tournament coming the April 6th, I'll be casting this on twitch :D ^^
@aujew4 ай бұрын
You’re like the “casually explained” Lorcana edition
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
I wish I were half as funny
@kawatek4 ай бұрын
47%'s Rise Up! Thanks for the Podcana feature Zefa ♥
@dylancamacho27514 ай бұрын
In regard to the Blue/Steel section, i'd love an expanded guide of cards to prioritize and what are the common mistakes folks make with it. Solid content my dude!
@kwasm28014 ай бұрын
Me looking through every deck for a Gantu cuz it’s in the thumbnail
@DatNicaLuis4 ай бұрын
The S.K.I.L.L. gap was a nice touch
@TMBRLZ4 ай бұрын
The 77.7 rating on Jafar Wheel is peak entertainment.
@stackingcoins43044 ай бұрын
S.k.i.l.l. gap!! Lmao
@darkness94844 ай бұрын
Insta subscribed for the "statistical karma indicator for luck and losses" XD
@tenerokdon41014 ай бұрын
Going first is such an advantage, especially on the mirror. I play R/S, the difference between starting the draw engine on an empty board vs having to commit Maui before flaversham (or get flaversham at the expense of some lore for the opponent) is huge on tempo. If you draw lots of items, you can even offer a race to your opponent, which almost never happens going second (in fact, racing as the draw deck is almost impossible and one of the reasons why Ruby and Steel, the two control heavy colors, are everywhere). Let's hope the fourth edition brings something to help mitigate this problem.
@Gambit04124 ай бұрын
This is a mountain of good info. Thanks so much for taking the time to do this and for sharing!
@matrixsean4 ай бұрын
Excellent video as always! I agree with the power rankings for sure. Ruby Amethyst and Steel Amethyst need different builds to be truly successful. The trouble is I just don't think they have access to cards that will make a different build viable. (and ruby amethyst has for sure been targeted into oblivion, which is fair)
@Evercade_Effect4 ай бұрын
I enjoyed your analysis and humor. I really like Red/Blue and so many tech options. I feel to play that deck right is challenging. I need to play some more blue steel.
@Zalintis4 ай бұрын
An Excel table? You got me Zefa
@markterence4 ай бұрын
Thank you for this, Zefa! I thought I was just a lousy player😂 my stats are at more or less the same!
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
We can both be lousy together 😮
@maxstednitz4 ай бұрын
dude another AMAZING video!
@Lorcana_fable4 ай бұрын
i loved it! Thank you for the video
@balls21304 ай бұрын
My goat with another banger
@Jav_Monger4 ай бұрын
Awesome video I’d love to learn more how you play steel song! I just started making content myself and I want to learn from the best!
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
Definitely do check out Zan Syed’s deck tech on it then
@Jav_Monger4 ай бұрын
@ZefaGames I did he is super smart and informational I'm a big fan
@jeremiahroman14194 ай бұрын
@ZefaGames any chance we can get some vids down the road of current meta decks/future ones too in regards to turn by turn how they should play and what you're aiming to do? Feel like that would be both much wanted and needed! Blue/Steel I enjoy alot as a pairing and i feel like I'm going the normal line plays of Turn 1 pawp/hook match dependent Turn 2 Smee or pawp/develop Turn 3 fishbone or benja Turn 4 hiram Trying to gauge where I end up going wrong in particular there, whether its maybe some over inking at times or my mid to late game choices. Any quick tips and comments in regards to what my mid/later game moves should look like/aim for in a general sense? Appreciate your time on it!
@vincentbono26824 ай бұрын
thank you for doing all this work
@xXJacoby044 ай бұрын
Been calling amber/steel as one lf the best since set 3 started! (As a filthy casual.) I feel so vindicated.
@BunnyFuMaster4 ай бұрын
I wonder how the 2 game format will effect the deck power. It seems like the best way to win in such a format is to play the deck that has the highest winrate on the draw since winning both games as often as possible is going to be the biggest decider with it being worth 3x the points of a draw.
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
Yea, I think BO2 formatting will definitely have impact on people's deck choices and you'd want the deck that's most capable of going 2-0 since ravensburger decided that 2-0 and 0-2 is some how worth more than 1-1 and 1-1.
@davislol834 ай бұрын
I do feel that a lot of people are sleeping on blue/purple. It feels that it has a really solid matchup against most steel decks. Even steelsong feels winnable, granted it is a hard matchup because the deck is so good. It also has that rogue factor since you can hide the fact that you're not red/purple since 70% of the cards are in your typical purple/X deck. My build is similar to Benjamin's but I cut pawp/hiram since I've found you want to control the board early as you can't easily come back once you lose board early.
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
actually the blue purple i ran also cut hiram pawps from ben's list haha
@davislol834 ай бұрын
@@ZefaGamesIt feels pretty good honestly in my testing. Bad matchups versus the decks that want to go super late (lucky dime red/blue moreso than steel/blue). hopefully it continues to fly under the radar!
@thundersultan4 ай бұрын
Table joke and SKILL was pro!
@Nobody61464 ай бұрын
I’m not a large event player, so maybe it’s a hot take, but I still feel the on the play advantage is mostly a deck construction issue that will settle as players learn the game. I feel most deck list still bank on having to go first.
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
Lorcana by nature of how questing and lore generation works is very disadvantageous for a defending/reactive player so it should in theory be favored for the on the play player.
@Nobody61464 ай бұрын
@@ZefaGames I totally agree the play is big in the lore race, but as your results show, you can still have a positive win rate on the draw. Just find it odd people aren’t discussing on the draw strategies as the counter to on the play being so strong.
@ZipperonDisney4 ай бұрын
I wonder how much of the 53% win rate was tested with casual players, instead of the top 25 players
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
Yea, we need more context on how the 53% number was acquired
@FlyinBoi4 ай бұрын
Praise the king 🎉🦁
@jorcana44794 ай бұрын
I queued up vs you on latter! I was so starstruck I couldn’t remember how to play Lorcana anymore haha.
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
i hope u won
@jorcana44794 ай бұрын
@@ZefaGamesit was close! It went 1-2, you won.. love your content, bud!
@geffres4 ай бұрын
great stuff man
@patrickmcclain56924 ай бұрын
Thanks for the research and data. The 20% difference basically you make mention in win % of play vs. draw of you, and then later your opponents, is basically the same data though. If you win 20% more of all the matches you recorded when you go first, then the opponents will have lost 20% more when they have to draw. I think what needs to happen from players is examining is there any different way to play on the Draw vs. on the Play? Same cards, same deck, same curve, then maybe there isn't much to talk about; however is that the case or does winning on the Draw come down to whether the opponent gets the cards they need from topdecking or drawing throughout the match, and if they don't then maybe the person going 2nd wins more...however perhaps its completely out of the control of the 2nd player and they can only play their best and hope player 1 gets 1 or 2 cost cards on Turns 8 or 9 where they were looking for bigger cards instead. Maybe if you play first you should quest heavy, play second challenge more. Thoughts or does this make no sense?
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
you're right that including the 20% difference from my opponents was a bit redundant as it'll just mirror my own W/L rates. As for play draw, a lot of different factors affect the %s in play draw. Deck archetype is super important. I find play/draw is not as important in matchups like control vs control, but with aggro decks its unreasonably significant. There are definitely different lines you also go for on the play vs draw. For example, I really want to be keeping fire the cannons on the draw but not so much on the play. Sometimes blue steel lines go aggressively for quick whole new world lines on the play, but go more defensive tinker bell sword lines on the draw. But ultimately, being on the defensive in lorcana is hugely disadvantageous because of how lore generation and questing works so fundamentally, the player who is on the draw and on the defensive will have a bad time.
@patrickmcclain56924 ай бұрын
@@ZefaGames Interesting. I did get hit by a Turn 1 Fire the Cannons last night and I thought of your deck and interview with Lorcana Villain, lol. I wonder if you think this game is Aggro vs. Control type decks, and if Mid Range really isn't too much of a deck type in Lorcana. It would have been nice, even if they are less competitive to have seen the other 6 deck combinations in action, and compile statistics for, even if they would have been losses more than wins. Sapphire/Amber , Emerald/Amber , Amethyst/Amber , Ruby/Emerald, Sapphire/Emerald, and Ruby/Steel. I also would like to see a chart with >> (beats or greater than) symbols that show matchups, like Amy/Ruby > Amber/Amy Aggro, but Amber/Amy beats Ruby/Sapphire, etc. Since the game feels very paper, rock, scissors, right now and locals typically comprise of a lot of similar decks it would be nice to have that information of what are the preferred matchups against each color combination. Great video!
@apeiron-logos4 ай бұрын
Amazing video, as always, I laughed and I learned a lot! I also read ALL your answers so far, thanks for the valuable tips :) (From a French fan ^^) PS: Any thoughts on Mama Odie mystical maven compared to Mickey detective? I feel this may be a (future?) sleeper in a song-heavy deck...
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
I've seen some crazy mama odie decks go off and get infinite ink but it needs to be built around her pretty heavily. And even then, investing all that tempo to get all the ink, its difficult to find a consistent way to close out the deck before losing. She might have big potential in future sets though.
@apeiron-logos4 ай бұрын
@@ZefaGamesI agree, I tested sapphire/steel song since last week, and the deck has explosive games but you've to cut a lot of good cards. So, I'd say it's too inconsistent, but it can be worth keeping in mind depending on the future cards... By the way, since you said classical sapphire/steel is hard to pilot, I'd be interested in a guide ^^ Thanks again for your amazing work :)
@Sattioppie101Ай бұрын
Where is zefa when you need a meta breakdown before set 4 store champs?
@jazzflute4 ай бұрын
It’s always such a treat to get a new Zefa drop 🔥
@PlebasaurusWrex4 ай бұрын
Loved this thanks!
@bannibalharca4 ай бұрын
Boofasa
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
Long live the king!
@pay86254 ай бұрын
Red green mysteriously missing from this video hmm
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
Top secret red green meta
@Cujo_LA4 ай бұрын
Waiting for Miller Brewing to rise from the shadows in S3 👀
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
When they least expect it...
@victorarano51484 ай бұрын
Great video! What do you think about the 1 cost maleficent in the emeral amethyst deck ? Its a worst merfolk but still quests 2
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
It's actually so much worse than merfolk but I actually used to play it as a 2-3 of in my green purple. It was to absolutely annihilate the red blue decks that were everywhere on ladder at the time, but now I cut them from my list as the the meta is much less blue red heavy.
@jsavman74 ай бұрын
Awsome video as alway! Would you take emo beast out of jafar wheel? Looking to make some changes for locals tonight
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
Doubtful as i think emo beast still at least has blue fairy synergy in the jafar deck.
@courtsideballin4 ай бұрын
Sweet, I just made steelsongs and promptly don't draw AWNW after 2 Ariels, or I draw baby cindy + robin hood with 5 cost queen...deck ain't perfect
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
every deck has pros and cons, steelsong can definitely fall victim to its uninkable clunky draws
@Alienaub4 ай бұрын
I'm starting to see a lot more Emerald / Steel that's essentially a new version of steel song that aims to control the board with Robin Hood. Would the Emerald / Green control variant score differently on your meta rankings?
@bigpopa87514 ай бұрын
Its match up is terrible with Blue decks. Especially if you run the Bucky version. So I'd advise for now to stay on the faster version running King John.
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
The different versions of green steel definitely have varying matchup win %s, hard to say though as I haven’t played much GS in set 3. The builds are very meta reactive.
@clesiemo34 ай бұрын
Is Beast - Tragic Hero just too slow for steelsong that it isn't worth a slot? I'm not sure what I'd drop from the list to fit him in but it did stand out as a popular steel card that wasn't included. Curious if you have any thoughts on the matter.
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
A lot of people are dropping beast from both blue steel and steelsong lists as he’s a bit too slow to get online and keeps dying to medusa or gets hit by spells in a heavy steel meta.
@Honestly-Interested4 ай бұрын
I'm curious what your stats were in the steelsong mirror matchup? Zan has brought laser precision to this deck, and if you set aside the R/B matchup, I think the draw on the mirror feels impossible in the current build.
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
I've only played 1 BO3 Steelsong on hardcore ranked so far and I won the coinflip. Won game 1, lost game 2, won game 3 as expected. Steelsong mirror coinflips feel terrible.
@swsgaming48784 ай бұрын
Maybe they can fix the imbalance by using the Hearthstone method of adding a one time one mana boost for the player going second? That might be broken for this game though so I'm not sure.
@azarsgp4 ай бұрын
A friend of mine has been suggesting the same thing. 0 cost uninkable action “your next card costs 1 less”
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
This might be one of the most suggested ideas to help the balance issue and I like the idea of trying it out
@swsgaming48784 ай бұрын
@@azarsgp I will suggest our locals try it out next week and see how it goes. lol
@rodneymorin67784 ай бұрын
So as a player who just got into the game, which deck should I try?
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
Probably red purple, affordable, the most popular deck, and the deck play lines are fairly linear.
@rodneymorin67784 ай бұрын
@@ZefaGames awesome! Thanks for your feedback Zefa
@carbonadam134 ай бұрын
Just wondering but why all the 1 ofs in your blue steel deck? I play that mostly so I’m curious lol
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
Heart of the cards, the one ofs will show up when you most need it! But on a more serious note, I play a lot of one ofs in decks when I'm in the experimental/testing stages just to see how each card feels. Also, most of my one ofs are removal so they do similar things
@carbonadam134 ай бұрын
Have you made changes to any of them since?
@ravensfireTCG4 ай бұрын
Can we get a copy of the spreadsheet so we can track?
@ZefaGames3 ай бұрын
if you find me on discord (usually on the 20lorepro server) and send me a DM i can send the file to you
@VORTEX___4 ай бұрын
Hahahaha nice
@carbonadam134 ай бұрын
No ruby/steel decks yet? lol or that’s for next set..
@patrickmcclain56924 ай бұрын
I worked on at least 5 iterations of Ruby/Steel and the first tourney I ever went to IRL I played R/S. The problems it has are card draw and early tempo. I mean you have to wait for turn 5 to get out Sad Beast, or you could get shift Red Queen out earlier, but it requires challenging. Sumerian isn't horrible if you plan on dying in a lot of challenges, but isn't great, and Go The Distance is a card replacement, but it won't ready non-damaged characters of yours so it basically does nothing except skip to the next card. It doesn't have a lot of good matchups and can get steam rolled by about everything except Aggro. You want to play Hawkins and John Silver with locations, but if you go against Ruby/Amy they are going to wipe out your locations, if you play against Steel/Song they are going to Zeus your Silver away. You can play some good Red removal like Tremaine, Medusa, and Maui but you don't have Amethyst to safely put them back in your hand to replay them next turn. Sometimes due to low card draw you will get hung up at 5 or 6 ink with 1 card in hand, and nothing to play or you start top decking, while your opponent is drawing just fine and continuing to maximize their play options while you have no options.
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
just needs more time to cook maybe, or new sets
@tamilazzaro21454 ай бұрын
I hope this message gets back to Ravensburger. The high going first win rate can be mitigated by adding one simple fun aspect to the game -- a sideboard. Adding say a 10-15 card sideboard to your deck build allows players to adjust their deck to counter going second and possibly bad match up. This allows cards not being currently used to get more play, provides enhanced strategy and tactics to the game. Comments?
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
I like sideboards but a lot of people are against them and I believe ryan miller also stated they have no current plans for sideboard but could always be open to ideas in the future...
@overurhead29754 ай бұрын
Adding a side board wouldn't help the going second problem would help 3rd gm but first gm you start with what deck you have and going second is determined by high roll or whatever and you don't know what they are playing either so if you lose the high roll and go second we'll there is nothing you can do and your side board well it's doing nothing either
@tamilazzaro21454 ай бұрын
@@overurhead2975So until one of the new releases deals with the issue the only option is to build a deck that can wrest the initiative away from the opponent....
@jadevanschie2904 ай бұрын
I play with a steel song deck online, but i don't realy know how to pilot it. Any tips? And is there a budget version for leaving out robin hood?
@fredericarchambault45324 ай бұрын
Zan Syed published a guide for steel song deck: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12Wc7Eay1iinKvmxhfXCxyt2TwWV2hDl3Slaa36zEvvg/edit#gid=1077990448
@benlarkin8574 ай бұрын
I'd check out the list that won the 8k tournament. The player made a mulligan guide for it too.
@sambam71714 ай бұрын
@@benlarkin857where to find this mulligan guide?
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
Yes…what Ben Larkin said. And just get a ton of practice in. And if you have no Robin Hood, maybe try a stitch shift package or maybe even kida shift. But robin is definitely a powerhouse.
@Honestly-Interested4 ай бұрын
@@ZefaGames The Stitch Kida version feels like aggro steelsong and I think is a stronger matchup against Ruby/Sapphire (which is the worst matchup).
@akellis114 ай бұрын
That is not the red purple list. 3 of each old lady is important
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
I'm either 2 weeks ahead of the meta or 2 weeks behind. Can't differentiate between either
@akellis114 ай бұрын
@@ZefaGames in game 1 I like to reveal only one, game two they try to play around it and not he other and then hit them with the other/both. Jim Hawkins is a win more card in the deck and was cut. I also don’t play the 2 drop Pinocchio. Only non ink is 3 rabbit 3 of each lady and 4 be prepared.
@SpeciLorcana4 ай бұрын
Great video until you put Boofasa above Emerald Steel :(
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
Gotta stir up controversy for views
@Gestober3804 ай бұрын
I’ve been twerking on steel song decks with my new yellow purple deck It’s just not your average boring hyper Aggro deck
@patrickmcclain56923 ай бұрын
Are you still making content and playing or are you done with this game and moved on?
@ZefaGames3 ай бұрын
I'm still playing, just won 2 stitches in champs. My content creation is pretty slow as I've been busy and set 3 is more or less wrapping up. Set 4, I'll be putting out vids though once the brewing begins again.
@patrickmcclain56922 ай бұрын
Since they are shutting down Pixelborn. Are you still playing in person or are you done or switching to tabletop sim?? @ZefaGames
@christopherxgordon4 ай бұрын
First!!
@Stamorassos4 ай бұрын
Why no Beast Tragic Hero in Blue Steel?
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
Its just a meta adjustment i made with a very item heavy environment the past week, hardheaded beast gives u +1 card immediately when played sort of if you destroy an item
@Stamorassos4 ай бұрын
@@ZefaGames Thank! Valid points
@OtherTaylor4 ай бұрын
What about allowing both people to lay ink and lay a card, then the second turn player draws and plays and then player 2 draws 2 cards and plays?
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
Yea ink and extra card are definitely two of the most suggested solutions to the play draw issue, but without any actual testing and data it’s very difficult to say
@TASLightnindog4 ай бұрын
No Bucky green steel?
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
The recent versions of green steel that have been popping up have not been playing buckys as much. Maybe he will make a return in future iterations depending on how the meta shapes up.
@TASLightnindog4 ай бұрын
@@ZefaGames I tried it out without bucky but like you said it felt way more play draw dependent and I like the shift targets from the bucky deck so I'm still playing it, tis why I asked :)
@plove74 ай бұрын
As far as your RP win rate is concerned, it's no wonder given the bad RP deck you used. Do an update and you'll definitely have better numbers. you're still playing the same deck as everyone in the first week of set3
@plove74 ай бұрын
Just the fact that you achieved a 60% win rate with THE outdated RP deck in the current meta says how powerful RP still is Just imagine how much more you could have achieved with a better version of RP
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
But I am a filthy whole new world lover at heart tho…
@plove74 ай бұрын
@@ZefaGames haha me too, to be honest, I also love playing YS but currently I'm still playing a lot of RP to stay up to date
@laurenceoliva49884 ай бұрын
You seriously need to consider disclaimers before you make jokes... I was driving @1:20 and almost got into a wreck from laughing so hard.
@childeroland11424 ай бұрын
so, long story short, beast is trash in this meta?
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
He's fine but there's a lot more beast hate in the meta right now (zeus and medusa primarily) and so he generally has a much shorter lifespan than before and its hard to rely on him for card draw consistently.
@user-Ferrante4014 ай бұрын
You had me until you said you didn’t fear playing against red/purple ….. 😏
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
RP doesn’t beat people, people beat people…or something like that
@2pocketdeuces4 ай бұрын
Queen over stitch? Flutes over lantern?
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
I'm just reporting what I've been seeing on hardcore ladder, don't shoot the messenger
@beholdthestorm50384 ай бұрын
The fact don’t lie lol
@killanumbnuts34144 ай бұрын
I love your videos! Let me know when you have S.k.i.l.l gap Hawaiian shirts for sale …with red fasa logos all over it…
@bigbootyjudy61244 ай бұрын
Do you have a link to the spreadsheet you created by chance? I'd love to get a template of it to start tracking my own win/loss, but I'm pretty useless when it comes to crafting an Excel/Google Sheets spreadsheet.
@ZefaGames4 ай бұрын
If you can find me on discord and just dm me, i'll send you my file.
@tarbarik97544 ай бұрын
and... sad you haven't tried more mill, I think it can do great these days :-)