I Quit Using Cream Of Wheat Now I Use Beeswax To Fireform

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@michaelvangundy226 2 жыл бұрын

The COW is very flammable. I remember guys just using that, no powder. The wax is expensive and leaves a residue. In the grocery store canning department is paraffin. Just melt and cast into a half inch thick sheet. Push the neck into it to stamp out a bullet for trigger practice. To hold the powder against the primer use a pinch of cotton ball. If the powder is allowed to lie exposed it can all ignite at once and really spike. I remember only using 4 grains. It was the load for 38 spl. Caution the paraffin can go through a couple layers of plywood and then go through the garage door.

@Spruce-Bug 2 жыл бұрын

Oh no.... Is that based on experience? 🤣 RIP garage door.

@DaddyDaGuido 4 ай бұрын

Oddly specific disclaimer at the end there, Chief lol

@sylviacandler5541 Жыл бұрын

I have been using 14g of Bulleye with Cream of wheat, I am surely going to try your method. So, you have no case filler? I just stick a piece of Blue paper shop towel in the end of the case to seal the powder. I can't wait to test your method! Thank you for posting this video! I form brass from new Lake City 308 brass that is tough as Lapua, so is PMC brass, groups are tiny with 140's at 2950 out of my 26" barrel with H4350. R#26 should produce higher velocities. Powder charges between the various Brands of brass is different due to wall thickness. If you guys are using cream of wheat, be sure to check the inside of the case shoulder with a bent large paper clip and examine with a flash light. The 40* shoulder will trap cream of wheat inside on some cases...interesting when you think about it! Anyone that gets the 260 AI is simply amazed at how accurate the cartridge is, wide tune nodes.

@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984 3 жыл бұрын

Sweet video. I’ve never seen that done before. Can’t wait to see the finished project. What Rifle / Chassis combo is that?

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@Rooster Currie Thanks! It is a Mauser 98 260AI, ProMag Archangel Chassis, 24" Bartlein barrel, Energetic Armament Vox S Can.

@jamespugh 3 жыл бұрын

Very cool way to do it seen talk about on other fourms.

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@James Pugh Indeed! yeah, I had not heard of this until my buddy Josh from South Texas told me about the beeswax!

@yooper7753 Жыл бұрын

The cream of wheat age is an old method that takes skill. Once a reloader finds the right mix it fireforms sharp Ackley Improved shoulders. Another method is hydroforming which is preferred, because it saves primers and powder for real reloads.

@AP2020_Outdoors Жыл бұрын

@yooper_man Beeswax is cleaner than COW. Regarding hydroforming = I could not form crisp shoulders with the Hornady hydroforming die using either water or alcohol.

@marcdenis6466 3 жыл бұрын

Have you any thoughts on what to use fire forming in a gas operated rifle? I’m wondering about clogging the gas system. Would it be better, in your opinion, to shoot a light bullet, maybe a plastic one?

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@Marc Denis I have never considered fireforming in an AR platform rifle. Good question. As far as I could tell, the beeswax/dental wax left no residue from the cleaning patches.

@awbernardy 3 жыл бұрын

I have always wanted to do a AI round cant decide 30-06 or convert the 260 Rem over or go all out and see if I can get the 376 Steyr AI... ok maybe not that one but the 30-06 is high on my list thinking a 2900+ fps 175gr Burger VLD 🤔🤔🤔 Or a 2800+fps 6.5mm 143gr Hornady ELD-X .623 BC oh yea that would be nice with out going to the PRC.... fit in a Standerd SA mag system

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@Adam Bernardy The best trade-off would be a 260AI regarding bullet weight versus recoil. If you are going to play the PRS game. A big reason guys have migrated away from the 30 calibers and even the 7mm calibers. Over the duration of a match the high B.C. 6.5mm and even 6mm bullets with their lower recoil levels compared to the .30 and .284 calibers is a big advantage in terms of shooter fatigue.

@seemoore9117 3 жыл бұрын

I use grits in mine when fireforming. Have not had any problems with clumps.

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@Craig Moore Good deal!

@alphadogpredators 3 жыл бұрын

How do u know how much powder to drop? ... I have a 300 rum I want to do some fire forming on since 50 shots is almost a lb of retumbo it would be nice if I could use this method and I have unique on hand

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@Alphadogpredators If you have Unique, I would start at 12gr and work your way up until the shoulders form to about 90%

@ValcoBayrunner 3 жыл бұрын

So are you neck sizing only ? Using a s bushing die or mandrel ? I bought a Lee collete die for my 300 wsm, and reloaded one round of once fired brass and I couldnt close my bolt on my rifle. I now need to order a FL sizing die or maybe a Redding body die thats bumps the shoulder back 2-3 thousandths. Ive seen a lot of competition guys are full length sizing anymore.

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@ValcoBayrunner Typically yes. However, after 4 or 5 reloads I do a shoulder bump with my Redding die. Keep in mind that this is an Ackley Improved cartridge = minimal case stretch!

@tomhubbard353 2 ай бұрын

Nice, I recognize that Archangel stock anywhere.

@AP2020_Outdoors 2 ай бұрын

@tomhubbard353 for the money it is hard to beat in a Mauser 98 configuration.

@tomhubbard353 2 ай бұрын

@@AP2020_Outdoors Agree. The AA line of stocks were all well designed.

@greggarmin9426 3 жыл бұрын

Wonder how much wax is left in the barrel? Follow up with a good bore cleaning would be wise

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@Greg Garmin I ran a patch of Gumout carburetor cleaner every 10 shots; so far no messy wax buildup!

@porkchopspapi5757 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Nito. What do you use .260 Ai for. Is .260 Rem still a good long range competition round? Never mind. Ill watch your other .260 vids.

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@Porchop's Papi Groundhogs and AR500 steel plates!

@richardsolberg4047 3 жыл бұрын

How much wax do you use ? fill the nick the case ? , Have never seen Bees wax sold as tear drops before , sheets or blocks only ....

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@Richard Solberg Yes, after the powder charge, fill to the base of the case neck, followed by the dental wax.

@JoeyBaby47 3 жыл бұрын

A few weeks to get beeswax from CA to OH? They probably wanted to make sure it wasn't going to cause cancer and did a thorough Prop 65 testing... I'm not familiar with either method or cream of wheat or beeswax, can you do a video of this please?

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@cobra460 yeah!! No doubt, yup last time I order from CA...LOL

@dragonflyfab9703 3 жыл бұрын

@@AP2020_Outdoors Did you have to send California your certificate of eligibility. And then wait ten days?

@69yenko65 3 жыл бұрын

You start low on the powder and bump up till the shoulder looks clean like that?

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@k 429 Yes. It is definitely better than the C.O.W. method

@richsadventure9736 3 жыл бұрын

I fire form with a light accurate load and groundhog hunt lol

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@Rich 6547 Nice! LOL

@nelsonbroden7043 2 жыл бұрын

In South Africa barrel changes are very difficult. Will this impact barrel life? With only 15gr powder and wax I don't think so, but what is your experience?

@Spruce-Bug 6 ай бұрын

Why is it hard to change barrels. It's pretty easy if you find someone who knows their way around a lathe.

@DaddyDaGuido 4 ай бұрын

Hoe Gaan dit mit Jou?

@ControlledRoundFeed 7 ай бұрын

After watching your video I bought the beeswax and dental wax. I'm fir forming a 300 weatherby to another large magnum. I have both unique and bullseye. Which do you recommend and at what charge? Thanks!

@AP2020_Outdoors 7 ай бұрын

@ControlledRoundFeed nice! I would start at 18gr of Unique and work your way up.

@mkaquatosh2784 6 ай бұрын

can or should this be done with brass already formed for my rifle ,will it help or hurt ?

@AP2020_Outdoors 6 ай бұрын

@mkaquatosh2784 no need if you already have fire-formed brass. I only do this when I am wildcatting to a different brass case.

@ronaldvaldez9416 3 жыл бұрын

Can you use other pistol powders and how do you know what charge to start out with

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@Ronald Valdez Yes, pistol powders are the preferred powder. I used Bullseye because it is one of the fastest burning powders. I have also used Unique. Trial and error..mostly trial on the charge weight!! With Unique on my 260AI, 15gr. I will have to see what my charge weight with the Bullseye...

@tonyjonas1 3 жыл бұрын

Do you think 15 grains of bullseye would be to much to form 7.62x39 to 6.5 Grendel

@kdolotina5543 2 жыл бұрын

Have you tried using corn meal instead of cream of wheat? My reasoning is that when you fire the COW, heat causes it to get gummy, it kinda melts. I use the corn meal, less barrel cleaning in between shots and it smells like Fritos while firing, lol…

@AP2020_Outdoors 2 жыл бұрын

@K Dolotina I have not tried corn meal, I am sold on beeswax = clean = no residue = effective in forming nice shoulders.

@SSGSPEEDMAN 11 ай бұрын

What is your exact procedure for this? I as well will be doing this endeavor. Thanks again

@AP2020_Outdoors 10 ай бұрын

@SSGSPEEDMAN 1. I drop small charge of fast burning pistol powder. 2. Fill the remaining case with beeswax. 3. Top off with a small sliver of Dental Wax to seal the case.

@SSGSPEEDMAN 9 ай бұрын

Is the bees wax melted or use as is? I'm using soy wax.

@medhist2006 3 жыл бұрын

How do you determine the powder charge ?

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@medhist2006 Back when I used Cream of Wheat, I used Unique powder which is slower than Bullseye. For my 260AI, I think I had 14gr of Unique + Cream of Wheat + Pillow ticking. With Bullseye powder = FASTER burning than Unique, I started at 8gr and worked my way UP until the shoulders became SHARP. No real world data = primarily TRIAL and NO ERROR! Start low and work your way UP.

@medhist2006 3 жыл бұрын

@@AP2020_Outdoors Thank you:)

@brendanb1541 3 жыл бұрын

Have you tried hydroforming?

@AP2020_Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@B Berthold yes I have with water and then rubbing alcohol. Both attempts were abysmal failures!! I sold my Hornady hydro-forming dies!

@sav300 Жыл бұрын

Are you melting the wax and pouring in? I don’t like the COW and my 30 Sherman goes through almost a pound for 50rds. It’d be nice to not have to waste powder and a bullet to get my end result. I have not been impressed with a hydro die.

@AP2020_Outdoors Жыл бұрын

@sav300, not melting the wax. Just dribble the beads in until the fill up to the neck.

@sav300 Жыл бұрын

@@AP2020_Outdoors awesome I’ll give that a go! Thanks!

@chriscosby2459 Жыл бұрын

Nice demo. I am converting .270 Winchester to .280 AI.

@peterbranthwaite5626 Жыл бұрын

How did you get on with this, I'm about to do the same

@chriscosby2459 8 ай бұрын

@@peterbranthwaite5626 I am still getting everything together. I need to find a .280 Rem gage.

@jimreed6653 2 ай бұрын

Do you still use the beeswax?

@AP2020_Outdoors 2 ай бұрын

@jimreed6653, yes in fact my next rifle build is a 22-250 AI [Ackley Improved].

@SpudOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Any update to the actual method or just the results

@AP2020_Outdoors Жыл бұрын

@Spud Hunter so far so good, sharper shoulders than the C.O.W. I have a custom 22-250AI build for this year that I plan on fireforming stock brass with the beeswax method.