I Really Tried To Like The Princess And The Frog
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@motziedapul Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: I attended a panel centreing Black writers, directors etc in animation, and one of the speakers was Peter Ramsey (Director of Spiderverse, my Twitter mutual, etc). This was around the time Soul and Spy In Disguise had already come out, so the Black Lead Turned Into Animal joke was getting quite the bodycount. During the talk, Peter Ramsey said, very nonchalantly, "you know in one of the earlier drafts, Miles was going to turn into a spider for a significant part of the movie!" and everyone was like "What seriously????" And he laughed and said "Fuck no!" It was great. He's great, love the guy.
@wrestlinganime4life288 Жыл бұрын
Lol hilarious but kind messed up. It's part of the reason why I'm not exactly looking for anything Disney pull out related to black characters. That Sneakerella was the last straw
@mopplop4525 Жыл бұрын
@@wrestlinganime4life288Lmfao I saw the trailer for that and I was like, who approved this, it looks so dumb🤣
@wrestlinganime4life288 Жыл бұрын
@@mopplop4525 And it was during black history month
@creed8712 Жыл бұрын
Miles becoming a spider might actually be a better transformation thing than the rest because we know about the spider god and one of the most famous spider gods comes from African culture Then again I guess it would be another point for how Miles isn’t actually mixed race in any way that’s meaningful
@monakins5205 Жыл бұрын
@@wrestlinganime4life288 we already have a phenomenal black Cinderella musical. Imo the best and prettiest Cinderella. Also arguably the most interesting Cinderella movie.
@andyb1653 Жыл бұрын
I actually consider Facilier to be the main character. The whole thing is a cautionary tale to not f*ck with Voodoo.
@Thessalin Жыл бұрын
Ain't that the dang truth! Ha!
@andyb1653 Жыл бұрын
@@Thessalin "Facilier" makes me think of the French word, "Facile", which means "Easy". As in, taking the "Easy" path. Like the Dark Side of the Force. Dude's a Sith Lord. They DO be speakin' French in Nawlins, y'know....
@09yulstube Жыл бұрын
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@dannaymcmillian2492 Жыл бұрын
@@andyb1653 "Dude's a Sith Lord." This tickled my entire soul!!! Lol! Thanks for a much-needed morning laugh! 😂
@andyb1653 Жыл бұрын
@@dannaymcmillian2492 **tips hat**
@NoiseDay Жыл бұрын
If Disney was being honest, they wouldn't be selling Tiana dolls in a dress, but in a frog costume Then again, they do the same thing with Mulan. Since when have they sold Mulan in her soldier outfit? I would have bought the sh out of that as a kid.
@fpedrosa2076 Жыл бұрын
Wait, they DON'T sell toys of soldier Mulan? Really? Damn, that's wild!
@CCela1608 Жыл бұрын
For the live action Mulan they had dolls in the soldier costume but eh, too little too late
@KartarNighthawk Жыл бұрын
Better yet they could have sold Mulan with both outfits and make it so you could change them.
@bunk-o2495 Жыл бұрын
back when the movie came out there were two different barbies, one was a soldier type with full joints for like, fighting poses, it was like my favorite toy as a kid
@vit968 Жыл бұрын
I hate that Tiana was a frog for 99 percent of the movie. So much for black representation...
@melvv18 Жыл бұрын
It drives me crazy that they decided to make her a workaholic without adressing the class and race factors that put her in this position. It's implied that her being poor and black are obstacles to get her dream business, and yet they decided to just blame it on her working too much. And get that they're cowards, but like why give her an arc that ties it back to the thing they're so afraid to address?
@pinksquids4594 Жыл бұрын
Her and her father’s storylines are legitimately heartbreaking and definitely were not necessary. It’s like even in a fairytale they can’t help but include an excess of black trauma and then to act like it’s a character flaw on her part :(
@medealkemy Жыл бұрын
Exactly! *slaps table* EXACTLY 💯 They should have gone all in, à la Hunchback for example, or keep it it completely fairytaly, like... all the other Disney Princess movies. They wanted the butter and the money for butter 🙄
@Yorokobi224 Жыл бұрын
Ugh... To think they almost made her servant girl named Maddy
@robertaylor9218 Жыл бұрын
Funny, I saw exactly the opposite. I saw the race and class issues loud as hell. And I saw a character who simply wouldn’t let that keep her down, despite it being beyond reasonable to give up. I also didn’t see her bussiness not getting off the ground being blamed on her working too much. Just that blatantly racist, misogynist rich pricks weren’t goin to sell to her. Maybe it’s because I’m white, but me and my daughter loved this movie and I used it to talk to her about classism and racism, and about being stubborn and busting her ass.
@scaredstiff7176 Жыл бұрын
@@robertaylor9218 I see it as the opposite as what you said mostly because Tiana never complains about the system, even when she is told she can't buy her restaurant. Even though the system is the reason she ended up in such a deplorable condition. The movie instead places all the blame on these two random dudes as individuals rather than the whole system. All the white characters except for those two dudes are extremely kind and supportive of Tiana (and even the two dudes are more ignorant than they are blatantly racist, basically a microaggression). And even though we know the setting and how terrible black people were treated back then, the world of princess and the frog paints a very different picture of life back then and the setting. Most kids who watched the movie were too young to understand the historical context (because they didn't learn about it in school yet). All they know is these two dudes won't give her the restaurant and its unfair because they are being mean to her despite her working so hard. That's how far the reasoning goes. Not that the system is bad, but that these two dudes are bad.
@koboldcatgirl Жыл бұрын
I really intensely relate to Tiana, but that's part of what bothers me about the movie--even as the movie claims to criticize her for her workaholism, it also celebrates it in a weird way, and that had a big impact on my values when I was younger. I wish they'd done more to tackle toxic productivity. It's far from the worst-aging thing about this movie, but, like, it's up there.
@dinosaysrawr Жыл бұрын
Yep! I love Tiana because I respect her pragmatism, determination, and work ethic, and her willingness to call Naveen out on his BS. I've never been a fan of the whole "wish upon a star and you'll get what you want" schtick because I've seen the hurt that belief can cause when taken literally and at face value. At the same time, I am fully and painfully aware of the probleeeeemaaaaatic implications of having the workaholic Disney princess be a black woman living in the segregationist South. Also, it is certainly crappy for the narrative to scold Tiana for grinding when she has little choice but to grind if she wants to survive and thrive.
@krombopulos_michael Жыл бұрын
I think this movie came out before the whole "toxic productivity" trend really existed in a conscious way. I mean obviously you had people who worked hard and criticised others for being lazy but it was before the whole online "hustle culture", "rise and grind" type of thing was really a deliberate mainstream philosophy.
@austinluther5825 Жыл бұрын
I feel that while most people acknowledge that the movie is bad, Tiana has had a positive impact as a symbol of needed representation. I took my 2 daughters to big Disney princess event a few years ago; there were over 100 little girls there and about a third were black. And when the woman dressed as Tiana got up on stage and sang "Almost There" I could see these girls lighting up. Tiana really matters. I wish she wasn't in one of Disney's most forgettable movies.
@koboldcatgirl Жыл бұрын
@@krombopulos_michael Yeah, that's what I meant by "it aged badly". That said, working yourself to death isn't a new concept, and neither is workaholism.
@jasonjones3328 Жыл бұрын
@@austinluther5825 I don't know about most thinking it's bad while I do see critiques I think if you asked casual viewers it'd probably get positive feedback. A lot of the critiques tend to be more from more progressive viewers who might be looking at the racial themes
@Princess_Weekes Жыл бұрын
It is funny because I have found A LOT of white millennials who love Tiana. I am hoping the "Tiana" show will give her so much more character, cause shes too cute to be slept on.
@matxalenc8410 Жыл бұрын
Hey, Princess! I love you! And yes, a lot of white millennials I've talked to LOVE that she's a hard worker (Hmmm). I did see a commentary from a white dude who said "she had a handout". Apparently, your friend recommending your catering business is a handout. That man was fighting for his life in his comments.
@JP-br4mx Жыл бұрын
Hey Haitian and voodoo practitioner here. I don’t know if you or TJ will see this comment but in voodoo there’s no hell only the spirit world. The Gods are called Loas or Lwas and they resides in the spirit. Papa legba is the voodoo who opens the the worlds which allows the spirits to come to ours. I just don’t understand why or how Americans can looking at voodoo through the lens of Christianity. The Lwas have come to be synonym for the devil which is a huge disservice to the religion and those who practice it.
@matxalenc8410 Жыл бұрын
@@JP-br4mx Maybe Dr. Facilier's powers are based on Hoodoo? I read that in Hoodoo, people sometimes contact spirits, including God and Jesus. I'm not really sure, though. The most I know about Hoodoo is that my great grandma got hit in the head with a stick and had a stroke. Everyone said the stick was "dressed" and my grandma thought that thinking was ridiculous.
@JP-br4mx Жыл бұрын
@@matxalenc8410 okay here’s a short quick history lesson. Louisiana and Haiti used to be link due to the fact that they were both French colonies. Haiti was practically a sugar factory while Louisiana used to be the place the foods were grown to feed the slaves in Haiti. After the Haitian revolution many slaves that living on the islands migrated to Louisiana to help spark rebellions and took over Louisiana but the French sold it to the United States before that could happen. Voodoo and hoodoo are practically the same things. Haitian voodoo is also link with Christianity more specifically Catholicism. Voodoo allows for more than one religion to practice at once
@Carelesshilton Жыл бұрын
Omg yes same only met white people that liked this movie ~also I love your channel~
@PlaneswalkeXan Жыл бұрын
I hate how Tiana's lesson from Mama Odie is "to be happy with what you got." Other princesses are told to dream big, like Moana sings that she'll go farther than before, basically the opposite of what Tiana was told
@Willow-cw9te Жыл бұрын
Yeah, like it would have been cool if after Tiana and Naveen turned back into humans, Tiana would have opened her restaurant, not just in Louisiana, but also in caldonia (where Naveen is from) and she would have handled being a princess and a restauranteur, while Naveen (who had finally learned the value of hard work) worked on becoming king. It would have been a very modern day Grace Kelly sort of thing
@Justanotherconsumer Жыл бұрын
She doesn’t stop there. First, be grateful for what you have. That’s just the starting point though - especially since what Tiana has is a dream and the will and discipline to make it happen. “One must imagine Sisyphus happy” comes to mind.
@thegoldendiamond6762 Жыл бұрын
You're saying you like these overused cliches?
@thegoldendiamond6762 Жыл бұрын
@@Willow-cw9te stop being nitpicky
@doefarris2189 Жыл бұрын
@BanquetOfTheLeviathan Tina's NOT voracious and greedy, tho, she's just ambitious and has a reasonable dream to open a restaurant
@putincatboy Жыл бұрын
The princess and the frog seems like two movies. One was a black woman trying to make her own way in life, and own her own restaurant. The other was when she was turned into a frog. I think it could be a beautiful story if they just kept the first plot.
@bunnywar Жыл бұрын
It was taken from a German story, the frog prince.
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
@@bunnywar You do know that in the original, the princess didn't turn into a frog, right. And she was also inspired by a Black woman, Leah Chase, who actually existed. Maybe they could have done the first plot while having Naveen the frog assist her with her restaurant, to her dismay.
@jaydenc367 2 ай бұрын
@@imthebossmermaid3648 Actually no there is a story called the Frog Princess which is what the film is based on.
@fpedrosa2076 Жыл бұрын
I'm finally vindicated in my unabashed love for Doctor Facilier. Happy to hear he's beloved by others who wacthed this movie too. Also, as an animator, his dance sequence is amazingly well-done.
@dinosaysrawr Жыл бұрын
His villain song is just all-around fantastic.
@andyb1653 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely a top-tier Disney villain. In the same category as Ursula and Frollo.
@PipeGuy64Bit Жыл бұрын
I memorized the entire song 5 years ago. It's the only Disney song I know by heart.
@eggboi5338 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! That's something I've also thought about. I thought i was alone
@azazelgrigori9244 Жыл бұрын
T1J: "Whenever Disney makes a movie about black people, they don't get be human." I snickered at that because I love when people call out Disney's hypocrisy.
@jcspoon573 Жыл бұрын
Surprised there was not an accompanying shot of Lion King. You know, the movie about African ... animals.
@FabbrizioPlays Жыл бұрын
@@jcspoon573 Or Tarzan. The movie about a white guy and his friends, a group of African... monkeys. They just can't take a W can they?
@calmcnutt481 Жыл бұрын
@@jcspoon573 Yeah, but they're vaguely Danish African animals if the idea that they're loosely based on Hamlet is followed. Joke aside, the entire movie is animals, so it's not really a folly in the same regards as Soul or The Princess and The Frog.
@invisibledooley Жыл бұрын
@@calmcnutt481 Are Timon and Pumba actually Rosencrantz and Guildenstern? I need to do a much deeper watch!
@julijepp Жыл бұрын
@@calmcnutt481 Interesting that the other major picture from Disney set in Africa is Tarzan, who is also Danish (or at least headcanoned to be since people say he's the son of Anna and Elsa's parents and I think one guy from Disney was like "Sure" but I'm not solid on the facts)
@pinksquids4594 Жыл бұрын
As a huge fan of this movie I loved your critiques, they got me thinking about different choices that could’ve been made. Imagine if tiana had agreed to go along with naveen as a human to help and we had bigger tension when they’re already falling in love and she finds out he lied. Maybe we could get some background showing facilier had killed her father after he himself, worn down, tried to find a short cut. Still struggling on an arc for tiana though. The animation and music in this was amazing and I always found tiana to be one of the most likeable princesses maybe because she’s the most real and relatable?
@panpolypuff Жыл бұрын
Ooo, Dr. Facilier having a prior connection to her father would have been so brutal. A “doctor” who said he could help, but just took what little they had left and nobody could or would help them. Love it.
@pinksquids4594 Жыл бұрын
@@panpolypuff ikr! I got the idea bc I’ve always gotten chills when facilier talks about him to tiana
@calowenby1654 Жыл бұрын
I love this concept!
@dinosaysrawr Жыл бұрын
Damn! I would've loved that. Great concepts!
@ritawilbur7343 Жыл бұрын
Same here! I do love this movie - I even love Ray! - but T1J's criticism's are certainly valid. This was the first movie my son saw in theaters when he was 3, and Dr. Facilier was his favorite character. He still loves to listen to "Friends on the Other Side."
@HeavenlyEchoVirus Жыл бұрын
When my mum started this film, she thought she caught the plot twist early: hardworking Tiana, remembering her father, would not fall in love with the foppish prince, who is pretty contrary to all her values, and in a twist ending fall in love with a regular man who shares her values and they would mutually support each other. Nope.
@dazanii Жыл бұрын
Wow this would have been better
@mirandagropen9761 3 ай бұрын
She should have ended up with Lotte. Lottiana FTW!
@moonescentpearl 2 ай бұрын
@@mirandagropen9761That would be good for both their characters. Charlotte, boy crazy, ends up with a girl. Plus she is rich but supports Tiana's dream and never brought her down, like Naveen originally did when he found out she was a waitress
@klatte3351 Жыл бұрын
Anika Noni Rose is such a good singer that it baffles me they didn't write more for her in this movie.
@Commenter839 Жыл бұрын
Every time Tiana sang, she absolutely elevated the songs. I wish she could sing more, she has my favorite singing voice out of all the Disney princesses
@kate2create738 11 ай бұрын
I agree! For my issues of not seeing Tiana as a character with a strong arc, Anika had elevated her and it’s tragic we didn’t get more of her own songs. Very glad she did get the part for what’s it worth.
@starrychan33 Жыл бұрын
They do it to their indigenous American leads too. See Cuzco turning into a llama in Emperor's New Groove and Kenai turning into a bear in Brother Bear
@stahppls2293 Жыл бұрын
At least with Kuzco, it's tempered with a fully indigenous cast The only token white guy is the Theme Song Guy
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
they also did this with Soul and that one stupid movie where Will Smith's character was a pigeon. first a fish, now a pigeon. this shit is insane.
@starrychan33 Жыл бұрын
@@imthebossmermaid3648 Spies in Disguise was Sony iirc but every other example is Disney/Pixar
@TwinKids3895 Жыл бұрын
@stahp pls I’m pretty sure the theme song guy would be indigenous too… Also, I know you’re talking about the characters, but most of the voice cast for The Emperor’s New Groove was white. Definitely no indigenous actors in that movie.
@stahppls2293 Жыл бұрын
@@TwinKids3895 specifically the characters only are indigenous. It was unfortunately at a time when indigenous actors were barely cast in any part of the industry Design wise, it's one of the earliest examples of a wholly indigenous character set with no contact to white main characters Theme song guy is designed to look white and ginger for some reason, unless someone argues he's albino
@DemonPlayDemonOut Жыл бұрын
It baffles me that Disney didn't just come up with a fantasy world/kingdom for Tiana (or another black princess character), like they've done with so many of their white princesses. Then they wouldn't have had to try to balance the realism of the 1920s with not making the one black princess movie deal heavily with racism. To be fair, I agree that racism shouldn't be prominent in the film, because kids watch Disney movies to escape into fantasy, and black kids shouldn't be denied that. It wouldn't fix the lousy characterization and lack of plot. But it would remedy the awkward moments of editing history and almost-nearly-sort-of mentioning racism.
@eatatjoes6751 Жыл бұрын
...but then bad faith actors on Twitter would be complaining about how Disney just made up a kingdom for Tiana when *"iN ReEl LiFe We WeRe SlAvEs AnD DiDn'T oWn LAnD."* as if the concept of black nobility doesn't exist.
@DemonPlayDemonOut Жыл бұрын
@@eatatjoes6751 Possibly. There are always those people who will never be satisfied. But Black Panther hasn't caught much flack for its fantasy world that had a fairly starry-eyed depiction of an alternate black history. And I think it's for a similar reason---fantasy is made for escapism.
@ullamolina2007 Жыл бұрын
The last time they came up with a fantasy world for their South Asian princess character, it kinda didn’t end well…
@sirensong237 Жыл бұрын
Maybe because her struggles were based on a real woman.. for the most part, her owning a restaurant was inspired by a real black woman who fought to make her own business. They only “kept it related to Disney” because of the whole Princess and The Frog aspect.. but then turned it on its head. Instead of the frog becoming a prince, she became a frog, and instead of being disconnected, she fully embraced the help of others. The story isn’t about “black people are animals” but being taken out of your element in order to appreciate and value what you’ve got. She was so tunnel-visioned to the point that the restaurant was all she cared about.. she pushed away everyone in the process of trying to make her family business a reality. That can be stressful and overwhelming. In the end, she learned to let others help and achieve her dream. Idk how people so blindly missed the message of the movie…
@kate2create738 11 ай бұрын
@sirensong I think it just wasn’t believable that Tiana actually learned this, she’s a hard worker but also very prideful, and she needed that humble experience to communicate that she admits her flaws and is willing to work more on redirecting her outlook of life. To me, the story and the writing seemed sloppy to deliver this message. Nearly through most of the story it is Tiana referencing her father’s dreams and teaching Tiana how to achieve those dreams through hard work, it was only corrected once by Tiana’s mother but it got lost by Tiana working on Naveen’s issues.
@ThexDynastxQueen Жыл бұрын
Speaking of how cool Dr. Facilier was the fact he never got Tumblr Sexy Man status like other bean pole bad men always felt...telling. The site that literally fell for a skeleton somehow conveniently missed the smooth talking mysterious Black slender man and keeps doing it? *_That’s suspicious.....that’s weird_* 👀
@asuka_the_void_witch Жыл бұрын
wait, he's black?
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
@the void spaghetti man Umm, yes? Where have you been all this time?! 🤔
@asuka_the_void_witch Жыл бұрын
@@imthebossmermaid3648 i never saw the movie. just the clips in this video. i was confused by his skin color, sorry.
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
@@asuka_the_void_witch It's cool, I'm sorry too for being brash.
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
@Arian Brahimi lmao true!!!!
@brontolope Жыл бұрын
I think representation is vital (because growing up with nobody that looks like you or is like you makes you feel isolated and alone), but there's nothing wrong with wanting more than that. Yeah, Tiana is the first black princess but what's wrong with asking for more to add to the story? These stories are more than just hobbies. They are what kids watch and learn from, so it's important that they get more than just one movie with one black princess. And all the points you made in this video I feel are very spot on.
@matthewcrain8582 Жыл бұрын
Agreed and even though I'm not black this was a movie i first felt represented in because i grew up in the area, and looking at the backgrounds and dress just filled me with joy even though there were flaws with the story
@krunkle5136 Жыл бұрын
I'm happy I don't look to Disney for representation which they'll just sell out anyways if things ever shift.
@Justanotherconsumer Жыл бұрын
@@krunkle5136 Disney is where it matters, because the little girls (especially) that need to see that the “other” really isn’t that other aren’t going to watch Spike Lee. Our daughter (I’m Mayonnaise, my wife is Japanese by way of Hawaii) got bullied in preschool for not being white enough to play “Princess.” Disney may be shallow and unreliable, but wannabe allies who don’t understand will show their kids the Disney movies with representation.
@krunkle5136 Жыл бұрын
@@Justanotherconsumer I think the inaccuracies and how it is a harmful consolidation of the American entertainment industry (which this causes there to be less of a diversity of viewpoints), outweighs the good effects. Their films must always have good endings, which has had negative effects on Americans and other people around the world. All that comes out of them is what people think they want with scant of what they need, like media that's still well made but not always colorful or ends on a definitive high. The effect is insidious.
@troymcclure681 Жыл бұрын
Dumb comment Do you know how many people wanted to be goku? Or blade ?
@tarabound Жыл бұрын
I love that alligator and his enthusiasm more than anything
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
Me too.
@ayanaatthrivebewhole Жыл бұрын
I actually think this is a fantastic movie. I think it's one of the best Disney movies of all time. When I was watching it, I got invested in the characters, and every time I fall in love with them all over again. I think they're chemistry is great. The only problem that I always felt was that they are frogs entirely too long! I would have no problem with all of the frogness, if there was some other type of black princess is or if there had been a part two where she's fully human the whole time.
@joshuagonzalez4183 Жыл бұрын
👍🏻 fair enough
@sockpuppet5676 Жыл бұрын
There's supposedly a new black Disney heroiene in development named Asha. She's afro-latina and the concept art showed her wearing her hair in braids. Her film is being directed by Fawn Veerasunthorn and is set to premiere around this time next year. Weirdly enough we haven't seen any real marketing for this movie. 🙃
@celestee2264 Жыл бұрын
That's Wish, right? Wonder if they'll pull another Strange World this time
@adrianomaly1760 Жыл бұрын
Wow! First I’ve heard of it. I’ll keep an ear to the ground
@wyntershowers6933 Жыл бұрын
@@celestee2264 what happen at storage world
@jonal5126 Жыл бұрын
Because its coming in 2024? Probably a a teaser trailer will be released the next year
@spacecadetkaito Жыл бұрын
At what point when a movie is made do you think they start making ads for it? The things not even half done yet
@akeminicole9438 Жыл бұрын
“he’s definitely not white, but very conspicuously not black either” oh my gosh
@pavarottiaardvark3431 Жыл бұрын
I always thought that Naveen was meant to appear as mixed race. There's a lyric that says he "comes from two long lines of royalty". I thought the implication what that one line was European, the other African. Of course, that's just my reading, and the very fact that it wasn't stated outright could could be the writers trying to handwave it away.
@manibbygil Жыл бұрын
I thought since it was set in New Orleans he was just supposed to obviously be Creole.
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
It could just mean his mother and father were both born royalty?
@schwellenangst1605 Жыл бұрын
Wasn't his parents both shown and they're both brown/black? Also i saw someone said he could be south asian, in your theory possibly half
@schwellenangst1605 Жыл бұрын
@@manibbygil but he's a prince from other country, unless America had a prince
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
@@schwellenangst1605 I believe they are SA, look at the Prince Naveens shown at Disney Parks.
@pleasedonotwatchmychannel Жыл бұрын
You had me at “Only Frogs”
@grapeshot Жыл бұрын
Yeah she spent most of the cartoon as a frog as one person put it they got up to get some popcorn and when they came back she was already hopping.
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
“She was already hopping” lol
@gota7738 Жыл бұрын
I love the movie in parts; I really related to Tiana's mentality at the time and she'd flat out the prettiest Princes with the best dress, Naveen was a breath of fresh as a Prince with a personality, what more needs to be said about Dr Facilier?, and even Charlotte, though she probably shouldn't have been in this movie, is a stand out for being a female friend who gets to be goofy. It'd absolutely gorgeous both in it's design and it's hand-drawn animation that I still miss so longingly, and the songs are honestly still stuck in my head to this day. So why couldn't they have just bought all that together with better writing?? Why did they have her spend the whole movie as a frog????
@xanjey17 Жыл бұрын
Yes Naveen definitely stands out from the other princes. I loved his character and I think him and Tiana are perfect because they balance each other out.
@randomaccountmadeyup Жыл бұрын
Keith David killed it as the Doctor.
@bengilhooly3616 Жыл бұрын
Isn't it amazing how whether a Disney film is good or mediocre they always have good songs? The song when Dr Facilier is dragged into what is supposedly hell is actually kinda catchy. Also Fun fact: Dr Faciliers voice actor (Keith David) went on to voice a giant frog in the Disney show Amphibia. He was in a show about frogs and a film that involved frogs. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
@klear19634 Жыл бұрын
*giant newt
@bengilhooly3616 Жыл бұрын
@@klear19634 close enough
@12thWardGator Жыл бұрын
Living in New Orleans, I’m in a tough spot. Tiana was inspired by Leah Chase who was an incredible woman, but the rest of the story feels like a giant tourist trap just like the quarter in real life. The voodoo storyline is the type of thing that tourists associate with the city from Anne Rice. Throwing in cajun stereotypes too with the hunters & Ray along with ignoring the very real racism in New Orleans during the 20’s. Side note: Disney ignored segregation in that world but World World 1 still happened because her father is wearing a doughboy (army) uniform in the picture.
@Yougaljuboja Жыл бұрын
thank you for the information, I've never heard about Leah Chase before ! What an amazing woman !
@jessicayoung3656 Жыл бұрын
Did you expect a Disney movie to depict segregation? Thats asking too much
@12thWardGator Жыл бұрын
@@jessicayoung3656 they literally did, it’s called songs of the south.
@ida6950 Жыл бұрын
@@jessicayoung3656 Then they shouldn’t make a movie set at that time.
@veethesepiascholar3114 Жыл бұрын
I love this comment...
@LindsayEllisVids Жыл бұрын
isn't it nice that we can all finally come together and talk about how this movie is bad
@circlebird9013 Жыл бұрын
Lindsayyyyyyy
@clegs8356 Жыл бұрын
eyyy!!! hope you're having a lovely day queen !!!! ❤️
@BlueBeetle1939 Жыл бұрын
But that alligator loved jazz so much Lindsay you don't understand!
@andrewklang809 Жыл бұрын
I'm really enjoying seeing you pop back up in others' comment sections just to low-key drag every movie we kinda assumed you hated but you never got around to confirming in great detail. It's still completing the set.
@Setsunako6587 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewklang809 Seconded 🙋🏾♀
@MobbinMic Жыл бұрын
"Obscure Black Man" is the perfect title for Naveen. You made me laugh when you asked "you think Disney gonna give us the first Black princess AND the first Black prince?" lol. These companies really act like they "spoil" us when they decide to make Any character of Brown complexion... Disney knew what they were doing by making our "Black Disney Princess" a frog for most of the movie and making the "Black struggle" a big part of it. People pretend like Black kings and queens can't and/or have never existed... Which is just pure stupidity and ignorance. This movie failed to live up to its potential because they didn't want to give us too much "Black fantasy" , but in some parts they also didn't want to give us too much "Black reality".
@salemsmith7085 Жыл бұрын
wow i loved this comment so much. they r writing what realities they want us to believe. god this comment articulated eveything i was feeling thank u for ur words
@09yulstube Жыл бұрын
That last sentence sums it up so well 👏🏻👏🏻
@MobbinMic Жыл бұрын
@@salemsmith7085 Thanks, this movie's performance just meant a lot to me as someone of a long line of Louisiana heritage. And I totally agree with you 👍🏾
@cryaboutit7499 Жыл бұрын
Naveen is Indian, let Asian men have rep too 😂
@wyntershowers6933 Жыл бұрын
Yes!!
@shutupsprinkles Жыл бұрын
The fact that Facilier and Tiana have no consequence on each other is definitely the most frustrating part of the movie to me, but Tiana’s lack of character development is also frustrating as hell.
@mermaidtingzzz Жыл бұрын
Now this…this is can agree with. There’s no personal attachment between them. It’s really Naveen’s struggle in a way.
@lyn1.6 Жыл бұрын
We don't get to see Tiana be a princess. We never see her in a palace, finally taking off easy or anything like that. At the end, she gets her dream restaurant, which is great, but we never see she her relax and have fun as a human, outside of work. Also, how are Naveen's parents ok with the prince and princess of their country running a restaurant in New Orleans without any security? That would be a front page story in every newspaper.
@book1182 Жыл бұрын
Well the movie does show that he has a younger brother who could have been handed the heir status while naveen continues to live in the US with Tiana
@silashurd3597 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, Naveen’s parents banished him so I don’t think they’d really care but are probably glad they see him actually doing stuff for himself.
@silashurd3597 Жыл бұрын
@@book1182 he does? Huh. Need to look out for that next time I watch this
@book1182 Жыл бұрын
@@silashurd3597 he shows up at the end dancing with Lottie where she says “who would’ve thought naveen had a younger brother” and he’s shown to be 6 years old
@silashurd3597 Жыл бұрын
@@book1182 wait really? Ohh. Alright, alright. The more you know. Thank you btw
@gracearivenbark Жыл бұрын
Your strongest arguments were about the lack of stakes for Dr. Facilier and the lack of arc for Tiana. Those hit me hard.
@erinrising2799 Жыл бұрын
I just can never get past that she's still in customer service. Like you are a princess now, why would you want to make yourself suffer like that
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
Wdym in the end she was just singing and dancing and showing off her restaurant, not “servicing” anybody?
@ad2838 Жыл бұрын
bruh she owns the restaurant 💀
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
@@ad2838 Right.
@atanor9787 Жыл бұрын
But she has a restaurant dude
@thelionalex1697 17 күн бұрын
That's how it is. Tiana feels like a princess when she owns a restaurant and she has to take care of it. The movie ends without us seeing how she does it and we don't celebrate it because she didn't overcome challenges. Remy from Ratatouille does overcome challenges.
@cherriegetison6093 Жыл бұрын
Nathaniel from Enchanted felt like a deeper exploration of Lawrence from Princess and the Frog, which is impressive considering Enchanted came out two years earlier.
@TiciaM Жыл бұрын
I was about to argue with you because she's my second favorite Disney Princess, after Belle, my fellow bookworm, but you made a lot of good points. The music is still amazing and I loved it even if Tiana really has no character arc like you said.
@BlaecOleander Жыл бұрын
Wow I'm glad someone genuinely likes her 🤷♀️ (I have nothing against the character, just all those things he mentioned
@pettybee3860 Жыл бұрын
Same here
@MissPotential. 10 ай бұрын
Of course you enjoyed it. It more for you than for us.
@DeutschFuerEuch Жыл бұрын
Quick tangent about Tiana's and Lotti's friendship, which is just about one of the most meaningful aspects of this movie to me in a general cultural context: I've only ever heard people say negative stuff about this movie buut honestly, all frogs, I mean flaws considered, I do think it does a few select things right that it doesn't get credit for. I personally really appreciate it, it's nice and I honestly like it better than some others, inlcuding Frozen. But the biggest thing that stood out to me about it, besides the music and Facilier, is the friendship between Tiana and Lotti that kind of blends into the background and isn't mentioned in any take I've ever seen on it. I don't know how intentional this was and I'm not trying to open a discussion about brownie points for Disney or how appropriate/oddly specific any of the decisions about the movie's settings are here. I just really, really appreciated this little side story of how the spoiled rich girl who is used to getting her way and doesn't even think about it twice, is just genuinely excited about and invested in her friend's happiness without having to make it about herself (which she is very obviously used to doing in any other aspect of her life). There are ways to look at this critically, too - but letting go of all the complicated social dynamics that are being glossed over, for the sake of taking the friendship at face value of what it is portrayed to be in the movie, gives me this: the bubbly, spoiled, rich blonde who was predestined to become an antagonist by everything TV (and Disney) has taught us about how blonde girls and female "friendships"/relationships work, being happy to take the sideline and support her best friend - when Tiana gets the prince that Lotti so dearly wanted for herself (for dumb reasons, but still, real to her). And I think that above anything we could consider as adults about all the layers of implications this friendship would have entailed in this very unnecessarily real world setting, that is what I hope little girls are going to see there: an honest, mutually supportive and loving friendship between two very different girls. They're always kind to one another. That shouldn't stand out, but it did to me among a sea of movies, including most by Disney, in which female protagonists are usually either mostly alone (with men or, at the most, one-dimensional NPC women) or among a bunch of very unhumanly mean other women until [PRINCE]. That's meaningful to me and I've never seen it mentioned. And just in case it's not clear: This is not about any cringey notions of "color-blindness".
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
That's sweet and I liked that too, however, I feel like Disney only had Charlotte and her dad to make white people feel comfortable and assure them that they're not racist. And sadly, it's working, because people love to make the movie all about Charlotte and how she deserves to find her happy ending and act like Charlotte being a white rich girly blonde girl who is nice and not racist is the most important thing about the movie. It's nice sentiment but I feel like it ties into the many problems of the movie and how they both wanted to force their Black princess to face the hardships of racial strife and suffering(and also remind young Black girls that even in their fairytale stories there is no room for true wish fulfilment) and not make it "too Black"(Naveen's ambiguous af race--although he's at least played by Southeast Asian men at the Disney theme parks--Charlotte and Eli's entire existence, etc.). Plus, while I'm all for more female friendship in Disney films, why is Tiana, the only Black princess(well not anymore now that Wish is coming out but still), the only one to not have a female friend the same race as her. All the other Disney Princesses with female best friends are woc and all of them are the same race. Pocahontas has Nakoma, who is also Native American, Mulan has the three princesses who are sisters, Raya has Namaari(although they were rivals at first), Mirabel has her sisters and female cousin, Tiana doesn't get a Black girl to hang out with. She gets a white girl. Because obviously they couldn't make this movie "too Black" and alienate audiences, like I said, so to make white people feel comfy cozy, her best friend is a white girl too.
@amandaslough125 Жыл бұрын
@@imthebossmermaid3648 Wouldn't that defeat the purpose though? Lottie and her father were obviously one of the few cases of rich white folk who weren't discriminating Tiana. And Tiana was so workaholic she would've dropped anyone else other than the ditz rich kid too dense to leave her. And Lottie being white instead of a rich black friend would be because in this time period Disney was making a parallel to their older princesses with twists. Lottie wants to be a fairy tale princess, but Tiana gets the fairy tale ending. This is the same time period that they made Enchanted, where they parodied the classic fairy tale trope by bringing a princess into the real world.
@jborrego2406 Жыл бұрын
Sorry Tina was a damn mammy , an lot white women think there black friend is there just give advice an listen to them. But when u need to talk or have issue they don’t have time for that
@NerdilyDone Жыл бұрын
@@jborrego2406 Tiana never gave Charlotte advice, and Charlotte never asked for it.
@MissPotential. 10 ай бұрын
@@NerdilyDone Charlotte did most of the talking while Tiana mostly listened..
@trumpeterjen Жыл бұрын
I think Naveen is the one and only Disney prince I legitimately did not like. Most of them are boring, and a few are pretty cool, but I couldn't help but feel the whole way through that he just wasn't good enough for Tiana. Which is incredibly noticeable considering how infrequently I care about the princes in general. Disney needs to take a cue from Prince Charming, specifically his quirky portrayal in A Twist in Time. He was actually memorable for the *right* reasons.
@asmaatif5868 Жыл бұрын
Prince charming (twist in time) and Eugene are the best princes in the disney movies. Its a shame that they don't make more amazing and memorable princes any more.
@trumpeterjen Жыл бұрын
@@asmaatif5868 Absolutely! Love Eugene! His and Rapunzel's romance is my favorite of the bunch.
@headmelter Жыл бұрын
A twist in time is literally better than the original Cinderella movie for character progression - I absolutely RUINED that DVD as a kid playing it over and over
@Anonymous-wi6ig Жыл бұрын
@@asmaatif5868 eugene is similar to naveen tho. They’re both players.
@JuanitoEsBonito Жыл бұрын
I thought he had some good development it just took a very long and slow time for that development to show so it made it hard to invest for me
@nightmarefanatic1819 Жыл бұрын
I think they backed themselves into a corner by using the Frog Princess story in the first place. Disney was like "We want a black princess, but instead of using an African folktale or creating a brand new story for her, we HAVE to use a well know European fairytale because we want this to be like our classic princess films which were mostly European fairytale. But we have to make it in a setting where a black woman makes sense! And also we have to have a subversive twist on the classic tale where the main character's kiss doesn't work because she isn't a princess! So she HAS to become a frog for most of the movie or else they have no reason to be together throughout the movie!" Because of Disney's insistence on making this movie about The Frog Prince and also with a black woman as the protagonist and as a way to "subvert expectations" they wrote themselves into a corner and decided making Tiana a frog was the best way to get out of it. Also, one of the things that also bugs me about Tiana becoming a frog is that in other Disney movies where a character gets turned into an animal it's a karmic punishment where, mostly, the person changed has to learn some moral lesson and change as a person to get turned back into a human. Lampwick got turned into a donkey because he drank, smoked, broke things and did other bad things. The Beast was changed because he was cruel to an old woman be of her appearance and had to learn to love and to be loved in return. Kuzco was a selfish, arrogant tyrant who was only able to eventually change back by learning to care about people other than himself. Kenai was changed into a bear to learn a lesson about how revenge doesn't solve anything and to care for Koda. Hell, even Naveen was a lazy brat who wanted to marry into money because he wanted to contin being lazy after being cut off by his parents. But what did Tiana do to deserve being turned into a frog? Yeah she was a workaholic who neglected having fun, but is that something that deserves being punished? And honestly she was already "punished" for it by being outbid on the restaurant meaning her sacrifices were all for nothing. Dick move Disney. Dick move.
@Doubtlessly Жыл бұрын
I think one of the things that horrified me the most about the movie was the death of the sidekick bug, and here’s why. Like yes they were annoying af, but the side kick characters are shiny bobbles for young, YOUNG kids. I can’t think of another movie where that happens?! What if Ariel’s fish died or Muana’s pig or Cinderella’s mice. The only thing that’s close is Olaf and he’s a snowman who comes back to life at the end. It was almost DESIGNED to be kind of traumatizing to little, little kids, and ONLY in the “black princess” movie. It’s horrifying that they did that.
@Ellaliluleloka Жыл бұрын
YES! exactly! I was so shocked
@lovedreamer4122 Жыл бұрын
Well Ray isn't the conventionally kawaii princess mascot, so I don't think that's a fair comparison?I'm sure some kids cried but they'd never kill off the marketable plushy character
@camarrones Жыл бұрын
I see where you’re coming from but there is an implication in that statement that death is inherently traumatizing. The way they framed his death implied that he reached the afterlife and in a lot of cultures death is celebrated. i think it was actually a bold move and one thing I actually appreciate in this movie is that it wasn’t afraid to show a deeper, more nuanced character arc for a side character. Moana’s pig or Olaf are merely marketable sidekicks used for comic relief, which is, i’d argue, a worse fate for a side character
@thegoldendiamond6762 Жыл бұрын
Disney always had a history of traumatizing kids
@nkbujvytcygvujno6006 Жыл бұрын
@@camarrones Okay, that’s not what “character arc” means. You can call it a bold decision, but a “character arc” involves the characters changing believably in their personality or beliefs. Being killed off is the opposite of a “character arc.” This is just insulting, you people just really don’t know what _anything_ means and throw out any phrases you read off the internet, huh? “Deeper and more nuanced character arc”- this is an insult to anyone who actually knows what those words mean. You are making sure no one knows sh*t about how to analyze stories. You can’t even get the terms right. This is why people are getting stupider and stupider when it comes to any form or media analysis…
@samwildstein2092 Жыл бұрын
The box office disappointment Princess and the Frog had a lot of influence on Tangled. Executives renamed the Rapunzel project to de-emphasize the Princess aspect and made Flynn more prominent in the marketing. Flynn was designed through what was called “the Hot Man test” where female employees were asked to rate the attractiveness of different actors and models; Finn is a composite of those best features.
@asmaatif5868 Жыл бұрын
Good point but that was only in America, every where else it was mostly rapunzel.
@jordanlucas7392 Жыл бұрын
@@asmaatif5868 Not in Brazil, it's also called Tangled
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
So they set the Black princess movie up to fail, went on to make a white princess movie and set it up to me much more loved and fairytale-like than the Black one, and also made sure it was as male-centric as possible in the marketing because "boys don't care about girl stories/stories with a princess in the lead"(but we don't care if girls like our boy stories because we're sexist)? Nice job Disney, nice job!
@schwellenangst1605 Жыл бұрын
Flynn doesn't appeal to me that much but i can see why others like it lol, i prefer Naveen ngl, or his character atleast
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
@@schwellenangst1605 Naveen is way hotter than Flynn but at the end of the day I'm attracted to neither(bc I'm a lesbian lol 🤪). But I can see why people would have crushes on them.
@dezert956 Жыл бұрын
As a kid this was my favorite disney princess movie, but now looking back at it as an adult I have come to realize it wasn't my favorite for the story, and plot. Instead it was my favorite, because it was the only disney princess movie with people who looked like me (were black/mixed) and I had an obsession with jazz.
@stahppls2293 Жыл бұрын
My nephew is so lucky to have Moana, he's barely a toddler but recognizes everyone on screen to look like his family members
@kumjumba1377 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I have a similar feeling. It was my favourite because I really liked Tiana and I thought she had excellent chemistry with Naveen.
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
The Princess and the Frog genuinely is my favorite movie not because of race, but because I genuinely love the setting, story, and most of all, the princess. Although I will shyly admit that her being the only Black Disney Princess has something to do with it.
@misoPOW Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I hated this movie. I was so excited when they announced it and when I finally watched it in theaters, I was gutted. Disney flips itself backward to NOT give us black princesses nor princes to celebrate. The pre-development of this movie was a nightmare. Her original name was Maddie and she looked like Kizzy from Roots. The uproar was so intense to the point where they changed it. When people learned the prince wasn't going to be black, Disney straight up said, we don't want to alienate our white fans by making this a black movie. Because if your leading actors are both black, it's now a black movie. It also doesn't help that Tiana was the last 2D animated princess, the immediate princesses movie after she was Tangled and Frozen. It makes you feel like Disney save its top talent for the latter and saddled its old and near-obsolete talent for the former.
@mermaidtingzzz Жыл бұрын
Tiana being 2D was actually really exciting for me and my friends growing up when this was coming out. We wanted her in classic style like the OG princesses. Perspective is guess.
@misoPOW Жыл бұрын
@@mermaidtingzzz I didn't dislike the fact that it had 2d aesthetics. It just felt like with it being the last one, not as much effort seemed to have gone into it.
@AvgJane19 Жыл бұрын
@@misoPOW opposite. 2d animation is almost never seen anymore bc of how time intensive it is
@homesliceheroes6306 Жыл бұрын
Why did anyone expect disney to give us both a black prince and princess a romance in the same film? In films like Mulan and aladdin they had no choice but to make both leads the same race because it'd be way more obvious how they only cared for the white audience perspective. There will never be a fully black couple as the leads of a disney film.
@gil2644 Жыл бұрын
@@homesliceheroes6306 I only know there's one disney movie that doesn't have the same race couple. Esmerelda and the blonde guy (sorry idk his name)
@-i_own_you_- Жыл бұрын
The movie would've been so much better if tiana stayed Human.
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
Agreed, she is so stunning!
@Rihcterwilker Жыл бұрын
Same for Brave. Having the hardship of the character being "someone turned into an animal" undermines the original message and always ruins the momentum.
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
@@Rihcterwilker Definitely.
@Caterfree10 Жыл бұрын
That bit at the end where you mention how Tiana and Naveen were meant to be opposites who come together reminded me a bit of another video I watched this week from Cinema Therapy about how the main romantic couple in Enchanted also start out at opposite ends of a spectrum (tho in their case, their approaches to romance) and how they genuinely do come together in the middle. And iirc, this movie came out at about the same time, so it makes Tiana’s lack of an arc stand out more, imo. It’s a crying shame tbh.
@joanahkirk338 Жыл бұрын
Princess and the Frog is certainly one of my favorite Disney films, but it is worth listening to various black voices on the film. There are a lot of things this film did wrong. I mean, I understand how they got to this point, but having your first black princess be a frog the whole time is... a missed opportunity at the least. Also, a way Dr. Facilier could've had more connection to Tiana is if he knew her father. Maybe they were old friends, and Tiana's father somehow betrayed him or Dr. Facilier killed him, and Tiana was familiar with him that could've been fun. Maybe a character arc for Tiana could've been to understand that hard work doesn't always get you want you want. Though this is Disney, so they're never going to do that. Though I don't know, that might also be a bad message to pair with the first black princess. Definitely as well Disney needs another black princess who doesn't transform into something else. And whatever that film is should probably be led by black artists instead of white people trying to figure out what black people want.
@islasullivan3463 Жыл бұрын
As well as being Tiana's fathers friend, you could also have him swoop in and make a deal with her right after she loses the restaurant, perhaps he was even the one who bought it before her or we are just led to believe that until it's revealed to be Lottie's dad who bought it or something, and all she has to do is get close to the prince and get his blood for the necklace (as Naveen is a known playboy). We would also find out his true motivations and what led him to making a deal with his "friends", is he truly selfish and evil or like Tiana (and Fagan from Oliver and Company) and was backed into a corner.
@joanahkirk338 Жыл бұрын
@@islasullivan3463 You see, I like the idea that he was backed into a corner, but I imagine the execs wouldn't like that idea.
@alexandriakotsifas Жыл бұрын
This is such a well done video. It hurts bc Tiana is so insanely likable to me, she's so fun and charming to have on screen - but they didn't allow her to do anything. Instead they made her into a frog and forced her to focus all of her energy on the lackluster plot and a love interest (I like Naveen as a love interest, but it should have been much more of a sub-plot and it admittedly doesn't actually help achieve anything for either of their arcs). The whole "kissing a frog only to turn into a frog" would be a funny gag if it was maybe only for like one scene, but instead it just hurts the entire movie for me. "almost there" will always bring a tear to my eye though. And dr. falicer is the goat. I agree with all your points, awesome video!!
@madamemystica Жыл бұрын
i wish the movie couldve go both ways: Naveen learning the simple way of life and Tiana bonds with the people she cares about and strive towards her goal. Honestly, Tiana has no problem when it comes to character, sure she seem workaholic but that's because she's striving towards her passions. She doesn't have conflict with her mother or Charlotte, they genuinely support her. Naveen, on the other hand, should get the character development because he NEEDS it. He's the spoiled rich kid and he was BANISHED by his parents which is why he came to New Orleans. He's BROKE so he needs to suck it up and learn how to live without being serve in a silver platter. HE'S THE ONE NEEDING CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. He could have a similar character development as Sharpey in Sharpey's Fabolous Adventure though it's mostly just working his way to stabilize himself. I should add that Charlotte could probably be a good foil to Naveen. They are both rich(one was), but what sets them apart is their personalities. Naveen doesn't know the simple way of life but Charlotte is familiar with it due to being close with Tiana. Not gonna lie, I am content with the way Charlotte turned out in the original, but I kinda want to see her and Tiana bonding over cooking, just having fun. I would've also liked if romance is secondary or even at the end of the list, kinda like how the romance in Mulan only started at the END of the movie because it's out of the blue if they put the romance IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUCKING WAR. I just love slow burn okay? Now about Facilier... He's perfect. He could still have that the same plot as the original albeit tweaked. Lawrence ehhh i guess still the same, a pawn to Facilier's plot. tldr: THE TURNING INTO FROG IS POINTLESS AND IT'S BRAVE AND BROTHER BEAR ALL OVER AGAIN
@vhs3760 Жыл бұрын
when i was a kid, Tiana was my favorite! I loved hard work and wanted to be a chef. now I'm a burned out food science major lmaoo i think one reason i look back so fondly on the movie is that it's the last 2D one. goodbye 2D. i'll miss you.
@BurtAllmans Жыл бұрын
One of the things that stuck out to me at the time about PatF was how Tiana's character flaw being too hard-working felt like a self-conscious response to the contemporary Children's Media Pop Feminist Discourse™ around Disney Princesses. This is the first I've heard of the Tiana series, so let's hope it's being run by people who want to tell a story, not address criticisms of The Brand.
@notefish328 Жыл бұрын
Tiana falling in love with Naveen when she’s only known him in frog form is the most absurd part of this movie.
@QueenMariposa5 Жыл бұрын
They could've fixed the whole frog problem, by just doing a version of Thumbalina instead. The two could've been blown away in the wind after being cursed and they could travel back home while still being human.
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
She has seen him in human form too tho, so she knows what she's getting. 😋 But also she was a frog too so it's not that weird.
@gaseday1 Жыл бұрын
But isn’t it better becuz she fell in love with his personality not his looks while everyone else liked him for his looks and being a “prince”
@notefish328 Жыл бұрын
@@gaseday1 No, because he was a frog :p
@gaseday1 Жыл бұрын
@@notefish328 so you only fall in love with people’s looks?
@pleasedonotwatchmychannel Жыл бұрын
I was always curious why they didn’t go to continental Africa for inspiration. Like, there’s no history or mythology there to pull a princess from? Dang old, where people firsts came from. All that time, all that history, and Disney couldn’t find any cool stories to make into some cool animation?
@wrestlinganime4life288 Жыл бұрын
After seeing Raya, I'm glad they didn't. Disney would probably try to mish-mash all the culture across the continent so that they can say :There you go.
@pleasedonotwatchmychannel Жыл бұрын
Fair point. It also would have likely followed in the footsteps of Pocahantas, in terms of white-washing. Like, they would’ve shoehorned some whites in there by any means necessary. “HoW eLsE aRe AmErIcAn AuDiEnCeS sUpPoSeD tO ReLaTe????”
@schwellenangst1605 Жыл бұрын
@@wrestlinganime4life288 is smashing culture together really a bad thing? Avatar includes a wide range of Asian cultures in it, the older European animated fairytails take inspo for dresses, houses, etc for the animation. I'm south east asian and personally /don't care if someone makes a story about a fictional world with inspo from different cultures in Asia with their own touch in it. I don't look at sleeping beauty and think it's mocking German culture(i think it's German lol) just that it's a fantasy world loosely based on Europe Sorry for long rant i don't even know if that was comprehensible
@Santoryu90 Жыл бұрын
Eh I still like this movie but I do think it kinda sucks that the main character was a frog for most of it. Keith David as Dr. Facilier was definitely the best part of the movie, and had one of the best of Disney villain songs ever.
@briannalong5763 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’ve always thought Tiana was wasted potential throughout the movie. The fact that not only her being a frog throughout the film was false advertisement as the ‘first black princess’, but also when watching the film a 2nd time, she doesn’t have much to do with the majority of the plot. Just omit her and the whole story involving Naveen, Facilier, Charlotte, Lawerence, and the rest of the side characters would still play out, minus the romance (and possibly ray’s death). Also, calling Cinderella’s mice friends ‘ride or die’ made me laugh.
@vmlksm9 Жыл бұрын
I’m a BW & loved the Princess & the Frog. Truth is… ppl would’ve found a problem with the movie regardless of the storyline. If Tiana had Cinderella’s story line the issue would’ve been - “why do she have to practically be a slave to her step mom & sisters” If Tiana had Beauty & the Beast story line “ - Why she gotta struggle love with a beast & speak life into him to get her prince”? If Tiana had Mulan’s storyline - “Why she gotta fight like a man”? If Tiana had Sleeping Beauty’s storyline - “Why she sleep the whole movie”? If Tiana had Snow White’s Storyline - “Why she always apologizing & got to live with strange men” If Tiana had the little mermaid’s Story Line - “Why she can’t talk for half the movie” If Tiana had Pocahontas Storyline - “Why she kissing Colonizers”? 🤣🤣 I love that Tiana is milk chocolate, with a beautiful broad flat nose, luscious full lips, & dimples. She also had the most wardrobe changes of any Disney princess & despite having less screen time 💚 And don’t forget that this movie came out in 2009…They could’ve easily went the computer animated route but took the time to Honor Tiana with beautiful hand drawn 2D animation. That takes a lot of time, skill, patience, & $$$.
@genahill2716 Жыл бұрын
I was a kid when this movie came out. I always thought her turning into a frog was the coolest plot twist. I still think it's good I just wish disney had more black princesses cause I didn't feel represented until I had K.C Undercover, ANT Farm, and Doc Mcstuffins.
@brokenquill9277 Жыл бұрын
My biggest complaint is why does the black princess end up with the lazy bum prince?
@homesliceheroes6306 Жыл бұрын
Racism
@BunnyValentine439 Жыл бұрын
Character growth is a thing and Tiana is a positive influence on him? She is the role model for HIM for once? Like she is already pretty much a fully developed character from the start. It was the prince who needed to learn a thing or two from HER. And by the end he has matured, and ends up a good and hard working grounded man. So in other words the prince didn't save her, she saved him both physically and developmentally.
@obitosenju3768 Жыл бұрын
@@BunnyValentine439 Now this is a good deffense of the movie. I really dislike when people just forget arcs happened in the movie
@potmeetkettle Жыл бұрын
@@BunnyValentine439 No example is coming to my mind now, but has that happened to other princesses as well, where they have to teach the prince something instead of him already being a self-made man? I wouldn’t count Rapunezel as one because for one, he wasn’t a prince and two, she didn’t really teach him anything.
@someonethereQ Жыл бұрын
@@potmeetkettle they both taught each other to "see the light" and that the world isn't cruel, eugene was an orphan who had seen very little kindness and rapunzel was the girl who was manipulated by gothel for years, they showed each other kindness.
@yuukisama2001 Жыл бұрын
I remember when this movie was first announced. When I saw the "prince" Naveen, my first thought was, "Uhh...he looks like a tanned Eric". Then I had a conversation with a close friend of mine who worked for Disney and has worked in the animation industry for years now. When I brought up the whole issue with prince Naveen, didn't even dismiss it. She agreed and said, that Disney always uses these templates for their models. So basically Naveen was definitely 'Eric' from that POV.
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
"tanned Eric" bwahahaha 🤣
@yuukisama2001 Жыл бұрын
@@imthebossmermaid3648 And then I bought him as a present for my niece and somehow he ended decapitated during a toybox struggle session. She denies she did anything on purpose. We're still debating this. A "somewhat" truth came out of what really happened.
@mozm1603 Жыл бұрын
I kinda love the idea of a villain that's only motivation is evil
@aeloswindrunner Жыл бұрын
Props to Keith David, dude is a legend with a rich smooth voice. Does help make Facilier pretty charismatic
@oddmnemosyne2869 Жыл бұрын
My kid went through a phase around age 3 where he was obsessed with this movie; he still has Friends on the Other Side on his favorites playlist on Spotify. That song is a banger.
@fearsomefawkes6724 Жыл бұрын
I don't remember a lot about the Princess and the Frog (because there's not much to remember), but I do remember being disappointed. I also noticed that it wasn't really a movie about a princess, it was a movie about frogs. It did feel a little weird that you could kinda see the ways racism was impacting Tianna's life, but it was mostly ignored. I was also disappointed that they ran with the stereotype of Voodoo as a tool for evil. It was generally disappointing and forgettable.
@ithinkflutterawesome6511 Жыл бұрын
I love Tiana as a character, I wish she had a better movie and actual arc.
@notthatnick5546 Жыл бұрын
"My only problem with Dr. Facilier is that he's the main antagonist of this movie, but he doesn't really have a compelling motivation." *Proceeds to explain that Dr. Facilier transformed a foreign prince into a frog to allow his greedy assistant to take Charlotte as a bride, which will make them both extremely rich and help Dr. Facilier become the most powerful man in New Orleans, making it easy for him to send souls to the evil Voodoo gods he is serving.* I mean... It sounds like a compelling and "realistic" motivation, much more than a personal vendetta... That's precisely what makes him a great villain: he doesn't care who he hurts as long as it helps him reach his goals. Of course, he doesn't have a scene with Tiana until late into the movie; he's the Shadow Man, moving and scheming in the... shadows. His victims can be anyone, which makes him even more of a villain. But that's just my 2 cents.
@watching7721 Жыл бұрын
Plus he's afraid of his 'friends' claiming his soul due to his debts to them
@stahppls2293 Жыл бұрын
It's a messy movie I still cry at the opening scene tho, her home life with her mom and her dad hits so close to home It's my favorite bit of the movie, Tiana leaving Lottie's palatial home full of everything a little girl could ever want to their poorer neighborhood It gave me the beginning of the feelings that were only fully articulated onscreen with Parasite.
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
Notice how we never once see Charlotte go over to Tiana's house? 😭
@cheyennecolin5546 Жыл бұрын
I have to say I actually like Dr. Facilier as a character AND his motivations. It’s a scam that benefits his selfish gain! after he eliminates big daddy ( & probably eliminate the butler posing as Naveen as he now knows too much) he’ll have a lifetime supply of souls to feed his Friends On The Other Side forever in exchange for ultimate otherworldly power and possibly immortality. It’s psychotic because he doesn’t CARE bout the protagonist or anyone else, just his personal motivations at the end. I like it!
@justhearmeout3959 Жыл бұрын
It feels like it's been forever since you last uploaded, it's good to see you!
@palpitations00 Жыл бұрын
He uploads pretty regularly on his other channel if you’re interested :)
@justhearmeout3959 Жыл бұрын
@@palpitations00 what is it called? Oh I'm so thrilled I'll have something new to binge lol 😂
@Kyarrix Жыл бұрын
@@justhearmeout3959 He did an announcement video a few years ago where he said he would make a second channel but all I can find now is one called StayHako and one that is apparently dedicated to gaming. T1J gaming. The second channel that he announced that was supposed to be dedicated to long form content doesn't seem to exist. Neither channel has many subscribers, I didn't have time to check for how often he uploads to either of them. If you check, let us know.
@quonit37 Жыл бұрын
I definitely agree with the critiques. I think it's alright to have characters turn into animals during a movie, as long as that's not the ONLY OPTION. A lot of the problem with "gay dads in animated shows" or "all nonbinary characters are shapeshifters or aliens" isn't that it's bad to have those things in movies, just that that shouldn't be the only option.
@NerdilyDone Жыл бұрын
The trouble with your argument is that no one company can do that. There will always be demographics that aren't covered, or only show up once -- there's lots of different types of people in the world. So your statement implies that action is required from a lot of disparate people as a whole, and cannot be solved by one writer or one company.
@BifocalOlive4 Жыл бұрын
"[WEIRD VOICEOVER] FOLLOW ME". Thank you for that
@Iyana Жыл бұрын
When I saw the trailers for the film as a kid, I was initially just as hyped as my family and friends. However, when we actually went to the theatre, I felt so bummed out. The fact that she was the first Black princess yet she remained a frog for almost all of the film was dissapointing to me. I personally also hate the fact that her story revolves around black struggle / trauma...(which they hardly address anyways). :(
@lilytyler80 Жыл бұрын
Disney needs a new black prince and he needs to look like this guy. He's cute.
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
*nods head*
@suspiciousstar7547 Жыл бұрын
4:34 Agreed! I feel like making Dr. Facilier have a vendetta could have helped the movie out a bit more. Like what if he knew Tiana's father and maybe he made a deal with him that he couldn't pay back since he died such as money. So, the Doctor would go after Tiana to get his payment he should have received. Or if he made a deal with Tiana in the past and she owed him.
@iGotBulletproof-Insomnia Жыл бұрын
I remember watching this movie and feeling so bored throughout the film. I thought it was because I was 17 or maybe I was just weird and I felt bad because I just couldn't care. Seeing a number of video essays about the Princess Frong and why it doesn't work or why it was uninteresting validates my feelings and takes away that guilt.
@robirb_ Жыл бұрын
Goddamnit I hate that you're so right about a movie I like despite myself (and honestly despite itself).
@Sydney-Casket-Base Жыл бұрын
9:14 i lowkey wish... actually MORE than lowkey wish he had survived. that dr facilier is just too cool!
@doloreslehmann8628 Жыл бұрын
Well, I surely remembered those 3 hunters. They stuck out because I thought "WTF, why are they now putting in a cartoon-short intermission that wouldn't fit in the movie even if glued to it"?
@ArielLVT Жыл бұрын
You better not mean "I'm Almost There"! I love that song! I played it on repeat after watching the movie!
@krombopulos_michael Жыл бұрын
You make a good point about Tiana really not having much of an arc but I still like this movie for its music and visuals. I also like that she is a "princess" who doesn't just get things by birthright and does have very humble beginnings.
@joshuagonzalez4183 Жыл бұрын
agreed
@jborrego2406 Жыл бұрын
Of course the black one has to work to be Princess an lame prince with no money when they meet only wanted marry to get money also talked about how many women he been with so she gets a broke man whore
@latifx3944 Жыл бұрын
Definitely the Voodoo Dr. Was one of the best cinematic scenes for Disney. Loved it and still love it.
@sambeawesome Жыл бұрын
I remember how big of a deal it was when the movie first came out, and how hyped everyone was. It really seemed to get a lot of positive attention, so when I finally sat down to watch it... >_> I honestly felt like the only person who didn't like it x'D It definitely had a lot of potential, but man, did they make a lot of poor decisions. I definitely agree with what you said in this video. No shame if you like the movie, but I wish they spent more time really building up the characters and backstory...and much less frogs. Significantly less frogs would've been nice xD
@TheYesMan856 Жыл бұрын
There's two reasons why Dr. Facilier is the best villain. 1: He is cool 2: He gets rid of the damn firefly
@darby2314 Жыл бұрын
I felt the film suffered from too many rewrites. It really felt like pieces of the story were missing.
@MadArtLang Жыл бұрын
Honestly I feel many people are too young to remember or have seen Roger's & Hammerstein's (Brandy) Cinderella, which the light blue dress Tiana wears looks exactly like Brandy's ball dress. It came out in the 90s live action & it was a big impact on my life. It's not a commonly known film tho.
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
I literally saw the film when I was a kid, and it is the best movie of all time. It's exactly the Black Disney Princess movie we should've gotten and it's a shame Tiana couldn't have that. It is effortlessly beautiful and the diversity doesn't feel shoehorned in by white people who are flexing their performative activism muscles. Awesome movie.
@tiamystic Жыл бұрын
@@imthebossmermaid3648IKR!! The performative activism is *beyond* annoying. I want it to end. BTW is your PFP from Sleepless Domain? Great comic!
@imthebossmermaid3648 Жыл бұрын
@@tiamystic I agree! It's my favorite movie! And yes, it's Undine Wells from SD, glad someone else recognized it!
@BlueBeetle1939 Жыл бұрын
I have an illogical attachment to anything set in New Orleans It's just fun to point at the screen and be like AH I BEEN THERE!
@Cdr2002 20 күн бұрын
Big Daddy? Her rich dad is a Transformers micromaster? 3 people will get this
@colleen6440 Жыл бұрын
They didn't even have to make her a frog. They could have made it so when she kissed him the first time it didn't work cause they're not true loves, so Naveen convinces Tiana to take him to the swamp voodoo lady so he can give her money and she can have her adventure with her animal sidekicks but in like cool swamp-traveling clothes. Then at the end they kiss again, and since they're in love it works.
@poppaelias4175 Жыл бұрын
the fact that you compared facilier with scar is funny cos as a little kid, i always loved scar as a villain, and be prepared was my favorite villain song because it was so cool and creepy it was. when i first saw princess and the frog later on, i loved facilier for a lot of the same reasons as scar, and the vibes of friends on the other side reminded me of be prepared
@BabyBunnyBlues Жыл бұрын
I’m gonna be honest as a kid I never really noticed any of this stuff because I always picked favorites based off the dresses, so this movie, at least tiana was always in top 3 untilllll now 😭 man I need to rewatch it
@jvondd Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry you feel that way. There are definitely things about this movie to criticize, but the more I watch it, the more I appreciate it because as a whole, I think it has way more positives than negatives.
@cerisejaxel9636 Жыл бұрын
Valid criticisms! I enjoy this movie a lot, the setting, music, animation and characters are really charming to me. Of course no movie is without flaw. Either way, I look forward to series and the upcoming movie Wish.
@zucchinigreen Жыл бұрын
I remember this movie came out when I was in college and I was hyped. As someone who grew up in the 80's & barely saw any representation, I was so excited to finally see a black Disney princess on the big screen. I went with my African roommate and we both hated it. I was so disappointed for exactly the same reasons you were. I couldn't understand why they spent so much time on Tiana as a frog, oh but then I did...I did.
@jadencrawford2772 Жыл бұрын
Louis and Rey are fun. I cant' defend them perfectly, but I like their friendship.
@TheDarkAdventure Жыл бұрын
Disney 🤝🏼 Turning all Black main characters into animals
@TheDarkAdventure Жыл бұрын
They also aren't giving us a Black prince in the Little Mermaid either.
@ameliearsenault2940 Жыл бұрын
As a mother of two daughters, I happen to love Tiana. She is the only Disney Princess (along with Anna) whose purpose I can get behind. She is hard working, she is kind and she has drive. The fact that she is a frog to me is more a way to show attraction as a result of shared experience and personality rather than based on looks alone. Plus it's a fun film and I found the comic reliefs less annoying than most. A good natured firefly and alligator work better for me than irresponsible farting warthogs... I can see and respect your points but P&F is more valuable to me than useless dames in distress, boy obsessed mermaids etc. Thanks for your perspective!
@Cedestra Жыл бұрын
The only thing I liked about Ray was he was voiced by Jim Cummings, one of the nicest voice actors out there. He's Winnie the Pooh and Tigger as well as a bunch of others, but does a ton of Make a Wish wishes for kids.
@_Woody_ Жыл бұрын
Dr. Facilier is the one big carry of this piece
@razzlefrazzlelor Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed your editing and humor in this video! And yes, def agree that princess and the frog did lack meat on the bone even tho at times the animation is lovely
@tecpaocelotl Жыл бұрын
I thought it was ok, but disney did a poor job marketing it. I like the songs more. One time while going to the store, I let my daughter pick dolls and she picked Moana and kid version of Tiana. My gf and I are Mexican, it's the closes we get to princesses of color.
@MaggiesMakeupMedley Жыл бұрын
I dearly love this movie, but I can see your points. However... I gotta defend "Evangeline." That song is gorgeous. It's a love song that's so quintessentially Disney and I adore it.
@T1J Жыл бұрын
I'm actually talking about "Gonna Take You There" (the 'goin down the bayou' song)! i hate it lol
@MaggiesMakeupMedley Жыл бұрын
@@T1J fair point, I retract my earlier statement
@Loveismyteacher Жыл бұрын
I always said Tiana is the only Disney Princess with a job. Why couldn’t they let her live carefree in Naveen’s world?
@dailymdesdemona Жыл бұрын
The book series this movie is based on was one of my favorites as a kid. But the books were very typical fantasy stories, which I felt unfortunately didn't mesh well with what they were going for in the setting, characters, and lessons of the movie. There's probably a way it could have heen done well, but that didn't happen here :/ So for anyone who's confused why Tiana spent most of the movie as a frog: that's the plot of the first book.