I ride a BMW R1300GS. It does have 165 HP. Would this tempt me away from my 1250GS?

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Rode a friends BMW R1300GS Trophy .
The ECU has been flashed by "Hilltop"and is up from the standard engine power of 145hp and now produces 165hp.
Can I notice the difference, compared to a standard 1300?
Would this tempt me away from my BMW R1250GS, which has had the ECU Hilltop flashed last year.
00:00 Introduction, this BMW has 165hp
01:57 Quick fuel stop
02:42 Riding to the off road section. This is a quick bike
02:58 The off roading starts
04:56 Walk around the BMW1300, a closer look
10:47 A bit more off roading
12:15 Back on the tarmac again
15:30 Yup its quick
15:48 Comments about the Trophy etc
18:28 Final thoughts on this 165 weapon
20:02 Photos and off roading(kind of)
20:44 Back on my old 1250
My other BMW R1300 videos:
Part 1 : • PART 1| As a BMW R1250...
Part 2: • PART 2. As a BMW R1250...
BMW UK for further information:
www.bmw-motorrad.co.uk/en/mod...
My local BMW dealer is:
www.themansellcollection.co.u...
For information about Hilltop Motorcycles and ECU flashing:
www.hilltopmotorcycles.co.uk
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Revit Eclipse 2 mesh jacket
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Black jeans from Oxford
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@mardelplatalimousines3423 4 ай бұрын

As always a very honest, objective and eloquent description that covers just the correct info that we need to want this motorbike. King regards from Catalonia!

@travisboam9612 4 ай бұрын

I think everybody is missing the big picture with that unique headlight. We dont have to look at it while riding and will certainly get the attention of 4 wheelers going to make a turn in front of us. If it saves rider's lives, I'm all for it 👍👍

@gsd32i 4 ай бұрын

Good point!

@williamrae9954 4 ай бұрын

"Unique"? I'm waiting for the Matt Gecko lawsuit in the USA,BMW are either going to have to pay him off,or change all those h'lamps...his registered design!

@ReferenceFidelityComponents 4 ай бұрын

It’s bloody hideous looking from the front and no, car drivers will pay no more attention to it than any other bike so it won’t save lives, that’s misleading and without a shred of evidence. Saccadic eye movements from drivers in vehicles at junctions are as likely to miss this as any other. It does have decent performance and handling but has forgotten what it is in an attempt to keep up with the Jones’s. The 1200 and 1250 had that perfect blend of torque to adequate power which worked well off road and on road had better looks, better pillion comfort and suited the slightly lazier more compliant ride. It’s also a lie to say its much lighter. It isn’t spec for spec, it just distributes it better and feels lighter. Vfm, the new tiger 1200 trumps it. It’s better kitted out too and a way better road touring bike for two up riding but I still distrust longevity of triumphs after a bad ownership experience. I much prefer the 1250/1200RS for road work and won’t be jumping on the 1300 bandwagon anytime soon. In the real world it offers nothing more and is terrible vfm. Good luck to anyone buying one. Some just have to have the latest model and if you have the means, why not. Oh, and it is NOT “banging out 165bhp”😂😂😂😂. It’s rated as 156bhp at the crank.

@williamrae9954 4 ай бұрын

@@ReferenceFidelityComponents Back end of the new Triumph 1200 is horrendous... started out a a single sider, went to the pub for lunch,had a few too many,came back in and designed that mess?

@ReferenceFidelityComponents 4 ай бұрын

@@williamrae9954 I agree

@Bitwobbley 5 ай бұрын

Another great review, in your usual real world style. Although I have not ridden one yet, the looks are starting to grow on me, especially the triple black one. Interested to see what we get when they release the Adventure model. Still not sure about the front light though 🥴

@samhill3496 5 ай бұрын

1st time on your channel. Good review. Real world. I would have a centerstand. Nicely equipped. Fun ride even RTW.

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Thanks! 👍

@maxflight777 4 ай бұрын

Gorgeous wheels and tyres

@armourbl 5 ай бұрын

Damn that is cool looking.

@911aircooled5 5 ай бұрын

I ride both a 1200GS and a horse. Thank You for being respectful to the horserider. 👍 Was waiting for the 1300, but just not convinced with all the tech etc. Will look to a 1250.

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

I am an animal lover with 2 German Shepherds and 2 cats 🤪

@witofthestaircase1 5 ай бұрын

Looks nice without the radars

@creedm3040 5 ай бұрын

Awesome video! I have a '22 GS almost exactly like yours. Would I trade? Nah, never in a million years. I love my bike. It's hard to put in words but she is just perfect for me. Best!

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍 My 1250 needs a clean , it got wet 🙈😂

@andrewmason2879 5 ай бұрын

I have just bought a new gs Adventure 1250 rally with a full set of luggage and i absolutely love. It will do the job for me and the wife for doing so long touring on. The new gsa I do like them but it would have cost me an extra 4 grand. but i just love the look of the old style rugged beast of the gs Adventure 👍👍 and I am a new bmw owner never ridden or own one before

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Good choice! Enjoy, my wife has trouble getting on when we are loaded up....normally ends up with me shouting at her , asking her what the heck she is doing as the bike wobbles all over the place....oh she has trouble getting her leg over the top case 😂

@andrewmason2879 5 ай бұрын

@@gsd32i yep I will probably have the same trouble 😂 it’s all good fun mate 👍

@Gundimuck 5 ай бұрын

Another good real world review mate 👍 I think this bike falls into "I can so I will category" 165 bhp on what is pretty much off road tyres, like 145 isn't enough! Would make sense if the bike had sports road tyres, now that would be fun 😁

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Totally agree

@stevecockton6624 5 ай бұрын

Another grand review 👍. Traded in my 19 plate GSA for a Tiger 1200 GT Explorer and love it, but be interesting to see the new R1300 GSA for a change back in a few years time. Off topic, what intercom system are you using and what size Kreiga have you got - Any good, worth the money ?

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

20 litre, sena 10s BUT just ordered the Cardo backtalk edge....enjoy the GT 👍

@elyoen77 5 ай бұрын

Very nice bike, waiting for my 1300 triple black in March 😛 are those mirrors motogadget race? What’s the arm stroke length? 150 or 180mm? Thanks!

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

TBH don't know ref arm stroke. I believe the mirrors are motogadget from Wunderlich, but not 100%

@jimthompson717 3 ай бұрын

I have an R1250GS Rally. I love it. I have been hating this 1300 for a few months. Now I am ready to buy one, for all the reasons one buys a new bike. I will know after my test ride.

@gsd32i 3 ай бұрын

Oh dear...more money 😁

@jimthompson717 3 ай бұрын

@@gsd32iits a better bike in every objective measure, in my humble opinion, only.

@jackmccourt6180 3 ай бұрын

Aside from the headlight I actually really like the looks. I do think its a bit of a departure from the rough and rugged look that defines a GS... but in itself I still think its a good looking bike. I just can't see me spending the extra money to upgrade though. I love my 1250gsa

@johnharvey5338 5 ай бұрын

Do like the wing mirrors, what make are they? Who reflashed it and I always like to see dyno runs to show what they say is correct.

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Mirrors are from Wunderlich, Hilltop flashed ...no dyno info from the owner though.

@butlersg1 5 ай бұрын

I’ve never had a GS - did test ride the 1200 and wasn’t gone on it - the 1300 is the first one I’d buy.. I love the look of it but I need to test ride it

@jimthompson717 4 ай бұрын

Looks like a Japanese sport bike. It's lighter, faster. But most owners use these as long distance cruisers, where weight is less critical. And they were already fast. I'll keep my r1250gs for a while yet.

@gsd32i 4 ай бұрын

to be honest….. so will I. ( for the time being 😂) does seem to have lost some of its manly gs ness. apologies for being non pc🙈😂

@bigdog44b4u 5 ай бұрын

Great video as always. Nice review but a no go for me. This time the latest and greatest is not that. I love my 22 1250 GS. Not giving it up. I am just not a fan of the front of this bike. I just think the 1250s are so classic.

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

yup👍

@lukaszg74 5 ай бұрын

Old gs looks like fat elephant , I would never buy one but this one is the first gs I really like

@ADV_explorers 5 ай бұрын

👌👌👍💪

@NJWMOTO 4 ай бұрын

Would be nice to see some Dyno charts of the before and after re map any claims on torque increase? 20 BHP sounds like a very bold claim unless BMW massively de tuned it to hold back for a M version???

@gsd32i 4 ай бұрын

If I had it I would post it. sadly I don’t, however I have no reason to question the owners claim. it is rapid. 👍

@brucebrown6597 5 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t worry too much about dropping it. Looks like someone has already done it! Great videos!!

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

A very impressive machine which is going to get a serious amount of abuse from its owner 👍

@ck166666 5 ай бұрын

How do you see where you’re going? Dark tinted visor backed up with tinted glasses, wasn’t expecting that!

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Pretty easy really. 👍

@eriklindhardsenact7596 5 ай бұрын

At night when it is raining tinted visor is a no no

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

@@eriklindhardsenact7596 Really? I never knew that. Mate I have clear visors and different helmets if I ride at night🙈

@eriklindhardsenact7596 5 ай бұрын

@gsd32i yeah I try3d riding in rain at night horrible had to keep visor open all the time then got soaked they do warn not to wear helmet with tinted visor at night on my schuberth helmet

@bradleyalexander5821 5 ай бұрын

October 1st of 23, I watched a video of the 1300, did not like the look of it at all. Oct. 12th I purchased a 2023 R 1250 GS before they sold out. Could not be happier with my 1250. I’m certain the 1300 is a better bike, just not for me. Is the warranty void if motor is flashed and tuned?

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

I think I am in that camp when it comes to the 1250...still looks like a gs, whereas the new one looks like the GS has had a one night stand with the XR and the 1300 is the result. Apparently doesn't effect the warranty.....but! It does make a noticeable difference, which is why I said the standard 1300 that I tested didn't blow me a way with the engine. Sure the rest of the bike is just way tighter , lighter and easier to flick around. Possibly in denial and the inevitable will happen next year as and when I seek to change my 1250.....but it's a great bike ...easy to go around in circles ..keep it/change it for the new one etc🙈

@milaabaigar536 4 ай бұрын

Yup me too 1250 gs triple black 2023 the dogs dangles 🤣🤣. And I would say any altering of the mapping unless done by bmw would void you warranty , and here they don’t do it and have never heard of it !! southern Spain !

@gsd32i 4 ай бұрын

@@milaabaigar536 enjoy the sunny weather . Safe ride 👍

@richardwillmott6324 4 ай бұрын

Regarding the HillTop tune…. I’ve had one on my R9t and it was night and day. Then another on my GS1200 Rallye, which gave a lot more torque.

@gsd32i 4 ай бұрын

And people still don’t believe how good it is 🙈

@dungbeetle. 5 ай бұрын

Just a quick question, if I may. Is the re-flash a warranty killer?

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Nope. Apparently not.

@user-rc8oy1nm1d 5 ай бұрын

@@gsd32i It would be interesting to see BMW's response if someone actually made a claim.

@steevmeister496 4 ай бұрын

Nice bike and ride. What jacket is he wearing?

@gsd32i 4 ай бұрын

Bering Austral jacket and trousers

@steevmeister496 4 ай бұрын

@@gsd32i thanks 👍

@siamadani 4 ай бұрын

Where are you riding? Looks amazing!

@gsd32i 4 ай бұрын

The Island of Jersey, Great Britain. 👍

@expatbiker6598 5 ай бұрын

That trophy looks like a sharp tool for its purpose. I wonder how light it is given all those removals of center stand, foot pegs... At 20:02 must have been awkward with the people at the viewing place. Lucky there was no Ken

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Government workers on a break!

@gnmurray5955 5 ай бұрын

I've read lots of negative comments about the Hilltop stuff, way too secretive and no actual dyno results. Have you seen any factual readings or is 165hp Hilltop's estimate?

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

I think basically you make your own mind up. My backside on my 1250 definitely knows mine is better than a non topped 1250, in every way...thats all I can say tbh. HP is from the bikes owner. 👍

@austinmatthews347 5 ай бұрын

i have no need for loads more power out of my gsa i have a speedtona 955 for that

@ParisPhotographer 2 ай бұрын

What are those side mirrors?

@gsd32i Ай бұрын

Hi, to be honest I am not too sure. They will be either BMW Rallye ones or ones from Wunderlich as thats all the owner uses....oh and apologies for the late reply.

@jjnewman65 4 ай бұрын

Nice mirrors. Where are they from?

@gsd32i 4 ай бұрын

I believe that they are these ones: www.wunderlich.de/en/motogadget-mo.view-race-mirror-m36349-102

@jjnewman65 4 ай бұрын

@@gsd32i thanks. expensive 💴

@ItsAllJustBollox 5 ай бұрын

The famous Hilltop remap claims to increase the power of a normally aspirated engine by nearly 15% just like that.

@user-rc8oy1nm1d 5 ай бұрын

A before and after dyno run would be interesting to see.

@taz473 5 ай бұрын

It's 145 hp? Lovely bike but nothing could temp me away from my 1290 superadventure ❤

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Fair enough!🤪

@mungo75 5 ай бұрын

Admittedly only 6 minutes in, but you'd think if the guy's mad on off road he'd go for spoked wheels no? Am I missing something, not up on the ol' GS's but have BMW designed a mega strong mag wheel or something?

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Yes it's something like that, but I am certainly no expert!😂

@Scratcher2860 5 ай бұрын

Think they are the forged wheels - Suitable for off-road

@Bruttus4377 4 ай бұрын

Where in the uk is this filmed

@gsd32i 4 ай бұрын

Hi, it’s filmed in Jersey, one of the Channel Islands. 👍

@Bruttus4377 4 ай бұрын

@@gsd32i i need to go there

@gsd32i 4 ай бұрын

@@Bruttus4377 👍

@TheTommiart 5 ай бұрын

HE got 20HP from a ECU flash. I call BS

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

😂

@ItsAllJustBollox 5 ай бұрын

If it was so easy why did BMW need a bigger displacement brand new engine to get 10 more ? I agree someone needs to independently test this claim.

@DanTube2010 5 ай бұрын

@@ItsAllJustBollox Because BMW has to make the bike Euro 5 compliant, so tune the max out of the engine isn't possible, and hence why it is possible to get big gains on some big cc bikes just from a new map, e.g. H2, Hayabusa and presumably GS1300 as well.

@williamrae9954 4 ай бұрын

All Suzuki K5 motor'd bike owners,just joined the conversation (only 130bhp off the showroom floor). 😂

@ItsAllJustBollox 4 ай бұрын

@@DanTube2010 20bhp extra on a 145bhp twin cylinder bike from a remap is something that needs to be independently verified before taken as a valid claim. A full titanium race exhaust and remap only adds up to 10bhp on the Multistrada V4.

@sthr2110 5 ай бұрын

I thought it had 145hp. Anyway, I think I'll stick with my 2015 KTM 1290 Super Adventure, which has electronically adjustable suspension, electronic cruise, multiple rider modes, 3 piece luggage, crash bars, 160hp, ABS, traction control, blah blah blah...just no Bluetooth connectivity (not that I'd ever use it as I use the connection between my phone and helmet, only) or a quick shifter (which, I will admit, IS a minor bummer)...paid $6K USD for it and it is a truly wonderful machine. Had enough left over (when compared to the R1300GS minimum cost) to buy a 2023 Gas Gas ES700 with 190 miles and put a few grand of nice extras on it...and still had some $ left lol ! Nice bikes, for sure, but they're just too expensive, for what they are.

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

I know what you mean 👍

@caledonianbiker 4 ай бұрын

Hi there l have that exact bike. You'll find my reviews on my Channel "Caledonian Biker". The Karoo 4 come standard on this bike a vg 50/50 tyre but the Dunlop Trailmax Raid is slightly better. Did the bike you had on loan have the higher sports suspension on it too? Can you tell me where the owner got the replacement exhaust hanger plz? Cheers Caledonian Biker thanks for a vg video.

@gsd32i 4 ай бұрын

Hi. Yes I can confirm that the bike has the taller sports suspension. The owner of the bike uses it as a “tool “. Have a look at my latest shorts video on my channel to see what I mean . I will ask him regarding the exhaust hanger when I see him again. 👍

@deverhoffe3457 5 ай бұрын

I just ordered the new r1250gs adventure ultimate edition. Did not like the looks of the new 1300 and the shiftcam is way too noisy on the new 1300. And i am certain my 1250 with the akra will sound waaaaaaay better than any 1300. I’m good, no thanks 🤘👌😝

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Love my 1250, especially with the Hilltop flash. Maybe if I was in my mid 20's but not when I am in my mid 50's. Lets see what the GSA looks like.

@samhill3496 5 ай бұрын

Looking forward to the RS and RT versions. And the ADV.

@london_biker6177 5 ай бұрын

"I'm not an off-roader" *blitzes the gravel track

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

That was just for the camera....in a straight line....my mum could do that 😂

@ericbeech2652 2 ай бұрын

What is the final weight?

@gsd32i Ай бұрын

Hi, to be honest I am not sure. The owner has done a local hill climb recently on it , I think he narrowly missed the record up the hill. I guess he's made it even lighter now!

@ericbeech2652 Ай бұрын

@gsd32i I would love to know its potential in the weight category.

@RaceBert 5 ай бұрын

How is selling a ecu flash for the 1300 already? Is there a dyno measurement online?

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

See the description 👍

@neilhutton1528 5 ай бұрын

You keep telling yourself that you still like your 1250. Who are you trying to convince???? I do love that Trophy version and that would be the 1300 choice for me. Oh and you wouldn't need to spend 22 grand as I sure Daren would give you a couple of grand for yours on a trade in 😉

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Yes I know I do. Quick question..Sena or Cardo? I have the Cardo Edge in my basket @ Sportsbikeshop at the moment ????????🙈

@neilhutton1528 5 ай бұрын

Cardo. Excellent bit of kit 👍

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

@@neilhutton1528 Ordered 👍

@kayoedowner6711 5 ай бұрын

I think a small capacity bike would be far more fun on your island.

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Always nice to have the extra hp/cc for going off island 👍

@kugangles9860 5 ай бұрын

It doesn't make 165. That's about 20HP over of what it really makes. The KTM 1290 Super Adventure makes 165HP.

@williamrae9954 4 ай бұрын

2 x Suzuki V-Strom 1050 DE's at current eBay prices, or one BMW GS...both do the same job,couldn't justify that amount of extra cash,£3500 VAT alone?

@gsd32i 4 ай бұрын

Couldn’t agree more . At the end of the day if a Honda C90 brings a smile to your face then that’s all that matters . Enjoy the ride 😄

@williamrae9954 4 ай бұрын

@@gsd32i *Ed March(C90 Adventures) approves this message ;)

@chrisva505 5 ай бұрын

Ah....Mr M lent you his bike....

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Possibly 🤪possibly not😂

@TR850 5 ай бұрын

My wife actually took the money from her account and put the cash into our safe and told me to go to the KTM dealer and buy a new bike 1290 Super Adventure R), because she just could not stand listening to me talking about the specs any more. ❤And no, I cannot introduce you to my wife! 😂

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Top lady 👍

@pajownik 5 ай бұрын

165 HP you say? At what rpm? 14K? It would rapidly disassemble WAY below that. This engine was built for torque not power. You want power, get KTM or Ducati.

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Sadly no idea! But it is pretty quick.👍 Not a chance with KTM as I had an 890R and that started to leak oil just out of warranty. Ducati....lovely but expensive.

@pajownik 5 ай бұрын

@@gsd32i Sorry for your 890R troubles. No brand is perfect. You want piece of mind? Buy Japanese bike, built in Japan. Ducati is expensive, true. But isn't BMW too? Also, BMW is far from perfect in terms of reliability.

@terencetay4555 4 ай бұрын

It is only 145hp on the specs sheet

@gsd32i 4 ай бұрын

Yes on the spec sheet. This has had the ecu flashed.

@trailingarm63 5 ай бұрын

To me this bike is just a freak show. Still very heavy off-road compared to a single, and not very safe on it with those semi-tractor tyres. Why you're happy only being able to tip-toe it god only knows. Masochist? Might suit a privateer entry in the Paris-Dakar perhaps, but otherwise forget it. Good film nevertheless!

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Thanks. off roading isn't my thing tbh. bike was very quick, better with road tyres defo.there will be a huge market for the bike no doubt. 👍

@trailingarm63 5 ай бұрын

@@gsd32i Yes, I agree with you, because people are in love with the dream rather than the reality. I have a road bike for touring, commuting, etc, and a 400 single for the dirt. I think the Adventure bike concept is a myth because everything is compromised. Each to their own!

@spud139 5 ай бұрын

Good luck off road on those wheels....£20k bike and not standard with spoked wheels!!!

@gsd32i 5 ай бұрын

Hopefully BMW suitably tested them off road.👍

@adinovak2352 5 ай бұрын

They are forged wheels which you pay extra for, twice as expensive as the spoke wheels. BMW says they are as durable off road as the spoke ones.

@davidkendall1614 3 ай бұрын

You can get it with cross spoked wheels, the forged wheels that BMW says are stronger (than the regular cast wheels) off road, or the road oriented cast wheels.

@hoojamaflicks 4 ай бұрын

dude I was enjoying your video but that sudden burst of ultra loud music at 2:50 is not cool. way too loud for the rest of the video. think about peoples ears.

@gsd32i 4 ай бұрын

Oops 👍