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I Stand Corrected - WAN Show July 15, 2022

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Timestamps: (Courtesy of NoKi1119)
0:00 Chapters
1:08 Intro
1:27 Topic #1 - Community reaction to Linus's RAM notes ft. special guests
3:39 Buildzoid's video on KZfaqrs & RAM
5:13 Discussing NForce, Intel & XMP
7:45 Linus tried to push NCIX into boutique PC building
11:24 Enabling XMP can void warranties
12:11 Summarizing Buildzoid's video
14:40 Crucial's blog posts on RAM technology
17:45 FP poll: Intel's ARC Jersey, showcasing A770, discussing games
23:00 FP Poll result, opening & showing off ARC
25:02 Linux support for ARC
27:58 Possibility of a 900 trim, families
29:02 Linus requests a good naming scheme
31:40 Discussing the RGB limited edition
33:38 Intel's view on efficiency, FP's rack & database
37:58 Shadow tech invites Linus to France, Luke wanting to go
40:36 Device sharing services, latency & encoding
43:26 AV1 codec, supporting encoders
46:56 Streaming community, cross-brand support
53:20 Discussing limitations on ARC, other features
56:30 Quadro branding, FP poll on supporting features
59:48 Intel plans to talk with the community
1:07:30 Linus wants a disruption in the GPU market
1:09:03 Guests leave the set, ARC's jersey shirt
1:10:20 Sponsor - Squarespace
1:11:24 Sponsor - Wealthfront
1:12:17 Sponsor - Axiom
1:13:11 Topic #2 - New LTT pop-up shop for backpack
1:13:55 Limited in-person & back orders
1:17:32 Pricing & location for the pop-up shop
1:19:22 The shop will NOT include the screwdriver
1:20:25 In-stock notification will show pop-up shop
1:21:50 Topic #3 - Whale LAN event
1:25:35 Topic #4 - Unity acquiring IronSource
1:25:48 John Riccitiello & IronSource ft. Luke's F-bomb
1:28:53 Topic #5 - Sony's Playstation Star
1:31:50 Complaint on LTT content being mainstream
1:32:32 Merch Messages #1
1:32:51 Companies growing on a positive way
1:35:09 Polium 1 NFT Web3 gaming console
1:37:49 Topic #6 - Dr DisRespect's Project Moon
1:42:37 Topic #7 - BMW's subscription on seat warmers
1:45:40 Topic #8 - Linus showcases Miner VGA
1:54:18 Topic #9 - Cole-Bar Hammer update
2:01:36 Linus dies, last attempt
2:05:15 Luke's KZfaq channel on Assassin Creeds 2
2:10:00 Outro

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@NoKi1119
@NoKi1119 2 жыл бұрын
Huh, that GPU looks pretty nice, might be an incentive for a future ITX build... -Timestamps- [0:00] *Chapters.* [1:08] *Intro.* [1:27] *Topic #1: Community reaction on Linus's RAM notes ft. special guests.* > 3:39 Buildzoid's video on KZfaqrs & RAM. > 5:13 Discussing NForce, Intel & XMP. > 7:45 Linus tried to push NCIX into boutique PC building. > 11:24 Enabling XMP can void warranties. > 12:11 Summarizing Buildzoid's video. > 14:40 Crucial's blog posts on RAM technology. > 17:45 FP poll: Intel's ARC Jeresy, showcasing A770, discussing games. > 23:00 FP Poll result, opening & showing off ARC. > 25:02 Linux support for ARC. > 27:58 Possibility of a 900 trim, families. > 29:02 Linus requests a good naming scheme. > 31:40 Discussing the RGB limited edition. > 33:38 Intel's view on efficiency, FP's rack & database > 37:58 Shadow tech invites Linus to France, Luke wanting to go. > 40:36 Device sharing services, latency & encoding. > 43:26 AV1 codex, supporting encoders. > 46:56 Streaming community, cross-brand support. > 53:20 Discussing limitations on ARC, other features. > 56:30 Quadro branding, FP poll on supporting features. > 59:48 Intel plans to talk with the community. > 1:07:30 Linus wants a disruption in the GPU market. > 1:09:03 Guests leave the set, ARC's Jenesy shirt. [1:10:20] *Sponsors.* > 1:10:39 Squarespace site builder. > 1:11:24 Wealthfront risk-tolerance investment. > 1:12:17 Axiom file links recovery manager. [1:13:11] *Topic #2: New LTT pop-up shop for backpack.* > 1:13:55 Limited in-person & back orders. > 1:17:32 Pricing & location for the pop-up shop. > 1:19:22 The shop will NOT include the screwdriver. > 1:20:25 In-stock notification will show pop-up shop. [1:21:50] *Topic #3: Whale LAN event.* [1:25:35] *Topic #4: Unity acquiring IronSource.* > 1:25:48 John Rccitiello & IronSource ft. Luke's F-bomb. [1:28:53] *Topic #5: Sony's Playstation Star.* > 1:31:50 Complaint on LTT content being mainstream. [1:32:32] *Merch Messages #1.* > 1:32:51 Companies growing on a positive way. > 1:35:09 Polium 1 NFT Web3 gaming console. [1:37:49] *Topic #6: Dr. DisRespect's Project Moon.* [1:42:37] *Topic #7: BMW's subscription on seat warmers.* [1:45:40] *Topic #8: Linus showcases Miner VGA.* [1:54:18] *Topic #9: Cole-Bar Hammer update.* [Cont.] *Topic #8: Linus showcases Miner VGA.* > 2:01:36 Linus dies, last attempt. > 2:05:15 Luke's KZfaq channel on Assassin Creeds 2. [2:10:00] *Outro.*
@luhgarlicbread
@luhgarlicbread 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness
@Katanium
@Katanium 2 жыл бұрын
Damn
@bgrossish
@bgrossish 2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!!
@reginaldmadlock
@reginaldmadlock 2 жыл бұрын
Madman
@rexman1231
@rexman1231 2 жыл бұрын
Doing the lord's work thank you
@41chemist19
@41chemist19 2 жыл бұрын
It's great how Linus can be a good honest critic in front of the people who often make big decisions in the tech industry. It's just as cool to see those guys laugh at some past mistakes and talk about their decisions. This is some of the best PR Intel has ever had, and it made for an extremely enjoyable WAN show. Also, it's been a while since there have been guests on, would love to see this more often.
@carsonwilliams
@carsonwilliams 2 жыл бұрын
This alone has heavily shifted me towards Intel I just want transparency and honesty. I'm not a power user
@jace4817
@jace4817 2 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie: I was sitting the entire time with a feeling of "Ohh no, Linus just said X and now Intel is gonna stand up and leave because Linus is way to free with his thoughts and feelings".... and it never happened. Sure, Tom and Ryan dodged quite a bit when it came to the hot topics, but they talked 500% more freely than I would ever thought possible 5 years ago from Intel employees. I guess Intel has finally understood that being open and natural is a cheap and good PR move.
@benwu7980
@benwu7980 2 жыл бұрын
@@jace4817 There was about 2 times when Tom was talking marketing'y talk, and could see Luke react just ahead of glancing to Linus, knowing what was about to be questioned. Linus did pretty well to respond each time. I'm not saying Tom was wrong though, or even that he was just 'marketing talking' , it didn't have that vibe at all, like how some have a script from which they can't deviate. I found it to be a super chill conversation between professional enthusiasts from both sides of the 'fence'
@robbeelsas
@robbeelsas 2 жыл бұрын
Except unfortunately these are not the people at Intel that make the big decisions...
@luisjalabert8366
@luisjalabert8366 2 жыл бұрын
These people make ZERO decisions.
@traehlatigid
@traehlatigid 2 жыл бұрын
the video title should include your guests names. this is a great video and would appeal to ppl who dont normally watch the WAN show.
@technicstat
@technicstat 2 жыл бұрын
phenomenal suggestion
@kristmadsen
@kristmadsen 2 жыл бұрын
It is LTTs policy to make all videos as click bait as possible . Putting guests names would violate this policy.
@Scarecrow-zr3zx
@Scarecrow-zr3zx 2 жыл бұрын
Or at least include them in the thumbnail
@Freestyle80
@Freestyle80 2 жыл бұрын
@@kristmadsen its because idiots like you click on every clickbait and their views literally goes up exponentially when they do this maybe took a good hard look at yourself first
@Kessoku
@Kessoku 2 жыл бұрын
I surprised that they're not even on the thumbnail
@XxXnonameAsDXxX
@XxXnonameAsDXxX 2 жыл бұрын
Hey the sound engineering is ON POINT. I don't know who did it but did an excellent job. No echo, I can hear everyone(mostly) no major imbalances. Hats off.
@Space-O-2001
@Space-O-2001 2 жыл бұрын
It's odd I see alot content creators focusing on their mult coloured lit rooms with nice cameras and with awful sound, so yes good work
@XxXnonameAsDXxX
@XxXnonameAsDXxX 2 жыл бұрын
@@Space-O-2001 Unfortunately here on wan happens a lot of times too when Luke goes silent/whispers or leans out, the voice Linus shatters my eardrums. I suspect they were a lot more focused in this session so there wasn't much movement.
@Space-O-2001
@Space-O-2001 2 жыл бұрын
@@XxXnonameAsDXxX Yeah I remember driving to work and I'd have to crank the volume for the talking and then the intro music would come in 20dB higher....which was a nice surprise.
@Bogside_Irish
@Bogside_Irish 2 жыл бұрын
The sound proofing is making me look up Cooler Master stuff, Sound is great.
@rojoe3455
@rojoe3455 2 жыл бұрын
I instantly could tell a difference when the video started but......i have to say it was not friendly on the ears through my speakers compared to the recent shows. It sounds fake. Most wan shows for me have the decent real life sound
@cordialphilomath9747
@cordialphilomath9747 2 жыл бұрын
Just like with Gamers Nexus, I've gotta say I really appreciate Intel's choice to approach their own products with open, frank discussion about the platform and capabilities. Treating your audience as educated individuals that can learn terms and appreciate details, instead of just meaningless marketing jargon, is a great approach.
@liesandy291
@liesandy291 2 жыл бұрын
Especially when they are sooo late.
@redrock425
@redrock425 2 жыл бұрын
@@liesandy291 🤣 fair comment.
@supernovaws
@supernovaws 2 жыл бұрын
I saw no discussion about their platform except some marketing cowfecies. "We are great on supporting useless AV1 encoder!"... Great. What about game's performance, prices and release date? Oh... Nothing about that... Okay. What's about AV1 performance? Oh... Nothing about that too...
@alhdgysz
@alhdgysz 2 жыл бұрын
We are going to kickass. We are going to humbly kickass 💀
@dhkatz_
@dhkatz_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@supernovaws They literally already tested AV1 in another video lmfao. They also DID talk about gaming performance a bit. But they also said they're not quite ready to release numbers. Get a stick out of your ass and maybe you can listen
@BlackSmokeDMax
@BlackSmokeDMax 2 жыл бұрын
Tom Petersen is an absolute gem. Loved him on Gamers Nexus the other day, and he's knocking it outta the park here as well.
@ricardoreis7298
@ricardoreis7298 2 жыл бұрын
Marketing people usually steer me away from their product, but that's not the case with Tom. I really enjoyed his appearances here and on GN.
@stevenson720
@stevenson720 2 жыл бұрын
Seem like very nice folks. Best of luck intel.
@krigarb
@krigarb 2 жыл бұрын
Compare Tom to the "tie" guy from NVIDIA lol
@Lodinn
@Lodinn 2 жыл бұрын
@@ricardoreis7298 Well Tom grew into the marketing position from an engineering one, so while his new duties probably don't leave much time to stay on top of the game, he at least can comprehend what he (and his teams) are talking about. NVidia is the worst of the bunch by far now.
@Simon-ui6db
@Simon-ui6db 2 жыл бұрын
Actually seemed genuine and devoted to the product. Unlike some people I can mention.
@SoulAssassino
@SoulAssassino 2 жыл бұрын
Having a super nice, super clever engineer going around just vomiting knowledge and promoting your gfx card is an ace move.
@rikwisselink-bijker
@rikwisselink-bijker 2 жыл бұрын
I've been to many meetings where they didn't have an actual engineer in the room. That was strategy. A marketing guy can't accidentally leak confidential information.. Glad to see Intel took a different route.
@thursdaythought7201
@thursdaythought7201 2 жыл бұрын
Intel has taken such a dramatic shift recently, ever since Pat took over (an engineer) the company has become engineer centric and its great! Focusing on the product and people over short term profits and marketing bullshit.
@mndlessdrwer
@mndlessdrwer 2 жыл бұрын
@@thursdaythought7201 Wasn't that what AMD did? Lisa Su, right? Wasn't she an engineer before she took over? I think that for tech companies, in particular, there is rarely a better outcome than having an engineer at the helm, because they have a markedly different approach to running things than someone who is just there to make maximum profits for their shareholders. I honestly wish that more large companies were run by people who actually know how their products are designed, developed, and manufactured. Because too often the people at the top are so distant from the actual everyday operations that they have no idea how things work or why they work and everything devolves into numbers and graphs. And that's a poor way to run a company.
@probablemisclick
@probablemisclick 2 жыл бұрын
What universe is this. These dudes need to be the face of Intel from now on.
@jackwinter1507
@jackwinter1507 2 жыл бұрын
Pat taking over Intel is honestly huge for them, before him this probably never would have been allowed
@Freestyle80
@Freestyle80 2 жыл бұрын
@@jackwinter1507 they literally do more consumer marketing than your overlord amd and you saying they wouldnt do this? Linus literally in this video said Intel no matter how much LTT trolls them always works with them as normal.
@thedigitalrealm7155
@thedigitalrealm7155 2 жыл бұрын
@@Freestyle80 Found the fanboy
@Tactical_Koala
@Tactical_Koala 2 жыл бұрын
So very true
@supernovaws
@supernovaws 2 жыл бұрын
Why? Same speaking heads telling (really) nothing. "Now - in live show!". What did they really tell except marketing blah-blah-blah? Any numbers? Any terms? Any comparsions? Nothing.
@thomasafine
@thomasafine 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like "I was wrong" (paraphrased) has been the title of about 50% of the last few months' WAN shows.
@WayStedYou
@WayStedYou 2 жыл бұрын
Lie-nus Sebastián
@Cowcow211
@Cowcow211 2 жыл бұрын
It is good when someone can admit their errors.
@RainmakerAnton
@RainmakerAnton 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts. This channel could be amazing if Linus was less full of himself.
@Juliett-A
@Juliett-A 2 жыл бұрын
@@RainmakerAnton You do realize that he plays it up for the camera? Videos are mostly scripted. And for WAN, he's just a dude giving his opinion.
@jace4817
@jace4817 2 жыл бұрын
If the Algoritms of the internet has taught us anything is that "I love to hate X thing/person/opinion" is one of the strongest ways to push engagement. I do however agree that they might be milking that specific horse very dry, but I have no doubt that those titles draw more viewers than "Corsair launched a new product"
@stefanwerner5799
@stefanwerner5799 2 жыл бұрын
Intel employee here. I've been working on writing software for Arc GPUs for the last couple of months. I don't think I can add much to this video (having only used ugly prototypes, not the shiny limited edition), other than saying I enjoyed watching this.
@mitlanderson
@mitlanderson 2 жыл бұрын
Heres to hoping the drivers age like fine wine. If I could get a job at Intel, AMD, or Nvidia I'd jump at the chance but right now I'm just in the middle of my degree.
@NickCharles
@NickCharles 2 жыл бұрын
If Intel can strengthen the market on power efficient GPUs that can play AAA titles, that would be really good news for ITX and HTPC builds. At this point they don't even need to build the beefiest GPU possible - that can come later.
@marekfiferna
@marekfiferna 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, at this point, Intel's GPUs are anything but power efficient (compared to the competition) :/
@itisabird
@itisabird 2 жыл бұрын
Gamers Nexus showed that their power consumption is much higher than the equivalent AMD alternative, so don't count on it. What the Intel people said is that they don't expect to reach 600W soon. That might be because they don't have yet an alternative capable of doing it, instead of because they want to be energy efficient.
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, people forget it took AMD a while to get their GPUs up to snuff to go against nVidia, and they were starting with an established brand. (VooDoo, you will ALWAYS be in my heart.) While Intel is an established brand, it isn't in the discrete graphics department. As long as it is a solid product, I'm willing to give them a shake and wait to see what they'll bring to the table.
@toby1248
@toby1248 2 жыл бұрын
The top end cards will never decrease in power consumption again but people have lost sight of the fact that the RTX 3060 is far more capable of running games maxed out now than the GTX 780 was in its day. Power efficiency never decreased. Our standards just increased
@NickCharles
@NickCharles 2 жыл бұрын
@@itisabird I never said we'd see that sort of efficiency with *this* generation of hardware. It takes time for their development pipeline and architecture to mature. Expect better results in 2-3 generations. The fact that they're significantly closer on more modern APIs already (as evidenced by the F1 benchmarks) is a good sign that some of the inefficiencies may be driver related, not necessarily architecture related.
@rossharper1983
@rossharper1983 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best and funniest WAN's in a long time. Great guests and makes Intel look good having staff front and center, talking candidly
@OneLeatherBoot
@OneLeatherBoot 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, it made for a super interesting WAN show, even though it was an ARC marketing pitch. I'd enjoy it if they brought in a few similar type of guests from time to time, as the side conversations mixed with the marketing are a good combo.
@furykillerBZ
@furykillerBZ 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, this WAN show had my smiling all morning
@whismerhillgaming
@whismerhillgaming 2 жыл бұрын
ryan shrout & tom perterson from intel were awesome. Their enthusiasm was super refreshing to see
@tag206
@tag206 2 жыл бұрын
We need a video of Luke going to the data center in France. I miss him hosting, and it sounds like he would really enjoy it.
@J_Echoes
@J_Echoes 2 жыл бұрын
I love how, just two weeks after you guys (deservedly) RIPPED into the Arc A370M, you're able to have a friendly and honest chat with the Intel Arc guys. Props to LTT for building that kind of trust and relationships with tech companies, and to the Intel guys for being a good sport about it 😉
@TheCloudhopper
@TheCloudhopper 2 жыл бұрын
Linus (and Team) are very good at what they do, but they aren't the Best at everyting. And its great to see an absolute champion like BuildZoid step up and keeping them honest. And LTT taking it not only onboard, but putting it at agenda spot #1 and not bury it at the 2 hour mark after the fifth merch message block. That's how you do it, thats how a conversation works and I'm here for it.
@TheDankelsall
@TheDankelsall 2 жыл бұрын
Great synergy - both Intel and LMG have driver related product delays.
@_Azur
@_Azur 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🙌
@nabkawe
@nabkawe 2 жыл бұрын
Fucking Ace comment....
@RyanLynch1
@RyanLynch1 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 what's the LMG one?
@katoshi6464
@katoshi6464 2 жыл бұрын
@@RyanLynch1 screw
@corruptedpoison1
@corruptedpoison1 2 жыл бұрын
Having the actual engineers as your marketing team is pure genius on Intels part.
@fionafiona1146
@fionafiona1146 2 жыл бұрын
It costs their productivity hours, even if it minimises burnout
@corruptedpoison1
@corruptedpoison1 2 жыл бұрын
@@fionafiona1146 Who cares as long as they are getting paid?
@fionafiona1146
@fionafiona1146 2 жыл бұрын
@@corruptedpoison1 people who like their other results? Not saying it's not awesome to see this but the benefits of modern division of labor are one of the few capitalist talking points I get. This might even motivate more people to do amazing work rather than waist their time on BS jobs but it's a trade off their bosses had to work around. I'd like more system scale awarenes in companies where people know how ideas get to production and customers in their business (like with LTT, Fairphone or Unicorn (condomes)) but that's at a cost in efficiency and needn't be returned in marketing.
@RK-252
@RK-252 2 жыл бұрын
Former engineers - Tom Petersen has been in marketing for the past 19 years - but yes, he was an engineer prior to that.
@MrMartinSchou
@MrMartinSchou 2 жыл бұрын
"It's hard to put a name on it. I blame Ryan!" That honestly made me laugh out loud!
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid 2 жыл бұрын
Buildzoid's point was that it wasn't a trade-off in this case because the module with higher CAS latency in clock cycles had a lower CAS latency in nanoseconds. So it had more bandwidth and a lower latency. Not a trade-off.
@pullmeifinger
@pullmeifinger 2 жыл бұрын
@@joeykeilholz925 yes, i like him but he tends to ramble on a bit 🤣
@pauvelasco06
@pauvelasco06 2 жыл бұрын
ONLY A FEW MINUTES IN AND NOW I WANT MORE REGULAR GUESTS ON THE WAN SHOW THIS IS SO COOL! LOVE HOW THE 4 OF YOU JUST FITS PERFECTLY IN FRAME
@BurkeSchneider
@BurkeSchneider 2 жыл бұрын
I used to watch Ryan Shrout and Tom Peterson on the old PC Perspective Nvidia livestreams they would host for each of the Nvidia new releases. Crazy that both are now at Intel, nice work fellas!
@bigbuckoramma
@bigbuckoramma 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, the shills made it to the companies they shilled for, by using their media influence to shill for more money. Their performance is not to be praised. It is a slap in the face of journalistic integrity. Petersen gets a SLIGHT pass because he was an Nvidia employee. BUT...He also downplayed every major NVidia failure, and used his influence to silence critics. So, just as bad in my book.
@nhand42
@nhand42 2 жыл бұрын
Intel seems to have figured this social interaction thing... finally!
@jurriaandejongh8677
@jurriaandejongh8677 2 жыл бұрын
Man, I really hope companies finally start this kind of transparent communication is one of the BEST forms of PR and marketing. I immediately feel interested by what Intel's up to with these GPU's, compared to before I only knew it was a buggy mess. Their frankness created a good base for some trust.
@MichaelAW17
@MichaelAW17 2 жыл бұрын
I lean more AMD for CPUs and GPUs, but if intel keeps this up I will be way more open.
@fionafiona1146
@fionafiona1146 2 жыл бұрын
I love that about Fairphone
@DrakiniteOfficial
@DrakiniteOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
Props to Bell for that smooth, silent transition from the wide angle to the narrower angle of Linus and Luke. Switching to one of the side cams was smart, letting you switch the lens or adjust the zoom or whatever it was you did. Very pro 😉
@Akshat-vx3wd
@Akshat-vx3wd 2 жыл бұрын
Waiting for the timestamp guy.
@doctordothraki4378
@doctordothraki4378 2 жыл бұрын
It appears they posted the same time you did (7 minutes before this reply)
@Ham24brand
@Ham24brand 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, i love that guy.
@sparks3687
@sparks3687 2 жыл бұрын
Literally posted it same minute you did
@ricardoreis7298
@ricardoreis7298 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind more episodes with guests, even corporate/marketing, as long as they are enjoyable as the duo on this episode.
@vlad2718
@vlad2718 2 жыл бұрын
*sees title: This will be fun *sees the Intel people: LET’S GOOOO
@mikkolukas
@mikkolukas 2 жыл бұрын
This is SO wholesome. IT really amps up the show to have experienced guests from the industry in the studio. Please, more of this if possible! I mean, they are nerds too and are probably following LTT too :)
@ATTACKofthe6STRINGS
@ATTACKofthe6STRINGS 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I’d seen this yesterday as it aired, but I was helping with an event. I saw 4 dudes on screen, and immediately clicked. I’m 5 minutes in, and this is already the most interesting WAN show I’ve ever seen. That’s not to say your “normal” ones are boring, but I think it’s a testament to the type of people you’re able to bring on to speak about interesting topics. Like, Linus was wrong. He was able to bring on some experts to correct him, **and** have fun while doing it.
@A3N-
@A3N- 2 жыл бұрын
I love how they turned into a gaming channel half way through lol
@ninegraves
@ninegraves 2 жыл бұрын
I (as a foreigner) like Linus voice very much - he really has some crystal clear voice - i pretty much understand every word he says tho i sometimes have problems understanding the other people.
@matthouse99
@matthouse99 2 жыл бұрын
About the Intel allowing virtualization topic. They kept saying let us focus on the gaming stuff first. I get that, but I don't think that is related to the spirit of the question. What we're asking is don't go out of your way to remove, prevent, or make it difficult. I don't think the original request was to go out of your way to add the feature or invest *additional* resources to make it work. What we want is for Intel to not take a feature that was already there and working (courtesy of the development on the enterprise side) and remove the functionality from the consumer product to "artificially" differentiate the products. EDIT: I just wanted to say, on a completely unrelated note, that Google must be trying real hard to suck as bad as they do at software. Your software can't suck as bad as it does by accident; that has to require real effort. You must be trolling me at this point.
@hnielsen123
@hnielsen123 2 жыл бұрын
I agree completely, but I do think Linus made a good point in that regard. One actually pro-consumer side effect of "artificially" limiting features is it keeps the cards in the hands of their intended audience, which helps the majority of people when it comes to price and stock. By turning off virtualization for example, which is awesome, but to be honest 95% of gamers won't utilize, it keeps those cards going to gamers rather than business applications who need virtualization but don't necessarily need some of the extra features of enterprise level cards. Is that tradeoff necessarily worth it? Maybe not. But it's something to keep in mind. It's basically exactly what Nvidia did by having cards that can't mine crypto, and I didn't see many in the gaming community complaining about that.
@johanngambolputty5351
@johanngambolputty5351 2 жыл бұрын
Don't they already (or used to) do that with cpus, by intentionally blowing fuses to permanently cripple some features? I thought that was the difference between xeon and i7 (I could be mistaken).
@hnielsen123
@hnielsen123 2 жыл бұрын
@@RyTrapp0 Sure, eventually. But even if supply issues are solved in the long term, price discrimination is a huge factor. Companies want to sell products at the price that their consumers can afford to buy them. For businesses who can afford to spend a lot more, you want to sell it to them for a higher price, and you can do that by artificially turning on features. That in turn allows you to then disable those features and sell essentially the same product to regular consumers at a much lower price in order to capture a large segment of the market. If businesses start buying up consumer cards because they do all the same things, the company loses out on that extra profit margin and then has to raise the price of the consumer cards to compensate.
@yahhav345
@yahhav345 2 жыл бұрын
@@johanngambolputty5351 if I remember correctly it's more about desoldering certain routes between cores and whatnot, but maybe? also, many times it's actually semi intentional: when that happens, more often then not what you get is actually a "defective" chip, which is working enough to be up to spec to, let's say, an i5 but enough to be an i7. then again, it might be that both happens simultaneously, I don't really know🤷🏽‍♂️
@thedigitalrealm7155
@thedigitalrealm7155 2 жыл бұрын
Big brain move by Intel to let their engineers talk candidly and openly about their product launch. Super refreshing and great to see the change in approach
@jerrysandstrom7674
@jerrysandstrom7674 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the naming scheme. I for one cannot wait to be gaming on my Intel® Goblin™.
@whackbag3606
@whackbag3606 2 жыл бұрын
Best Wan in a minute, listening to people geek out over things they're passionate about is fantastic. I know lots of companies are trying "cashless" but don't you legally have to accept cash...i mean it's called legal tender.
@mattymerr701
@mattymerr701 2 жыл бұрын
From what I can see, something being legal tender doesn't mean anything if your country or jurisdiction allows contract law to override it, or specifies that they are able to specify the terms of payment of the contract for goods or services before the contract is entered into. With most countries taking that angle by the looks of things
@poweruwa
@poweruwa 2 жыл бұрын
Nope.
@HaydenSchiff
@HaydenSchiff 2 жыл бұрын
No you don't, at least in the U.S. (and I'd imagine in most countries). People get caught up on the fact that our cash says "legal tender for all debts public and private". However, businesses are allowed to refuse service to anyone for (almost) any reason. If I don't sell you the item in the first place, then you don't owe me a debt.
@123TheMpoMan321
@123TheMpoMan321 2 жыл бұрын
Businesses can choose to accept or not accept whichever form of payment they want. The only exception is when someone is paying a dept. At least in Canada (and I think the US too) if someone is paying you a dept, you have to accept any form they choose to pay it in, so long as it's a form of legal tender. That's how you see those stories of people paying off loans and shit with giant barrels of pennies. (Well, back when we still had pennies)
@BrodeyH
@BrodeyH 2 жыл бұрын
No, the seller sets the terms of contract, a contract doesn't need to include cash AT ALL
@igoresque
@igoresque 2 жыл бұрын
That was definitely the most entertaining WAN episode so far, no endless chewing over the same stuff over and over that would make me switch off pretty fast. More cool guest appearances needed. Loved it!
@LunarShift
@LunarShift 2 жыл бұрын
Buildzoid knows what he's talking about and did a good job explaining what was wrong.
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid 2 жыл бұрын
Not good enough apparently because it didn't sound like Linus got it.
@kajurn791
@kajurn791 2 жыл бұрын
@@unvergebeneid Linus didn't watch the video, one of his staff did and it went right over their heads.
@World_Theory
@World_Theory 2 жыл бұрын
(breathes in through nose and exhales loudly) I love the smell of competing GPU manufacturers in the morning!
@Pony375
@Pony375 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible marketing strategy turn around from Intel. From basically nothing about ARC launching in China to WAN show talks, well played 😁
@alhdgysz
@alhdgysz 2 жыл бұрын
And don't forget gamers nexus!
@freelancer42
@freelancer42 2 жыл бұрын
This was great! I was really on the fence about ARC before, but now I'm genuinely excited about it. Sincerely hope to see those guys on the WAN show again at some point in the future to talk more about the product and where it's going.
@lancesmart2667
@lancesmart2667 2 жыл бұрын
Letting these two dudes into the wild, in my opinion, is probably the best thing Intel has done in a very long time.
@GunsNRoser01
@GunsNRoser01 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best WAN Shows def...
@Klorel123
@Klorel123 2 жыл бұрын
almost missed this WAN show, but it was one of the most interesting one in the long time. great guests, interesting talk!
@jmcb0089
@jmcb0089 2 жыл бұрын
These guys are exactly the kind of people I want to see in front of the tech media, they aren’t sales reps, they’ve been in the business a long time and they have huge personalities. It was nice to see them reminiscing about NForce, and also speaking honestly about PC hardware historically. Inviting these guys onto WAN show was a really nice way to get them involved and talking about tech in general.
@Tabooed1
@Tabooed1 2 жыл бұрын
Toyota wanted to do something similar with remote start. Except it was worse, you couldn’t even use the purpose built physical fob for remote start. But they didnt go through with it.
@Hjorth87
@Hjorth87 2 жыл бұрын
I like the transparency that Intel is going for. This, and the interview they did with GN will probably help them getting through the child illnesses of the Arc Gpus a little easier. It's also good to see them engaging directly with the tech media. I'll still hold on to my ryzen 5600x and 3060 for now, though ;)
@grn1
@grn1 2 жыл бұрын
It's probably going to be a good while before I upgrade again and the next upgrade I get will probably be a GPU. At this point I'm really not sure what company I'll go with. My main monitor supports G-Sync but if Intel and/or AMD figure out how to make their CPUs and GPUs work together properly and become fairly competitive I might go with one of them. Currently rocking a Ryzen 5800X so I've thought maybe go AMD for my next GPU but since I'll have to upgrade my motherboard the next time I upgrade my CPU it may be worth considering the all Intel option. I've gotta say this is a great problem to have because it means there's real competition and innovation in the industry.
@breakupgoogle
@breakupgoogle 2 жыл бұрын
it was great having these guys on. they are great ambassadors of the product and got me interested.
@SamuraiGuy
@SamuraiGuy 2 жыл бұрын
I love when developers have fun with things that no one else would be able to see. at 2:02:09, you see the screen that Linus sees when he curates merch messages. If you go to the link, you see a linus face gif and a prompt for a password. If you get the password wrong, it has a bunch of responses that I wouldn't consider hilarious, but are a lot more fun than just "incorrect, try again".
@Tinu-1987
@Tinu-1987 2 жыл бұрын
This two guys did a lot of gpu homework. Great to see how they are looking forward for their product. After the laptops I am looking forward for the desktop gpu.
@Carnage8
@Carnage8 2 жыл бұрын
This was a insane wan show absolutely amazing guest.
@thethingthatshouldnotbe3035
@thethingthatshouldnotbe3035 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, this was AMAZING. I was set on buying an AMD GPU when 7000 series releases, but now I'm actually thinking about taking a look at Arc. I loved seeing Tom and Ryan on WAN, really really good marketing imho.
@CommanderChronicles
@CommanderChronicles 2 жыл бұрын
you need to this more. this was one of the best wan shows ever.
@Jollyroger84103
@Jollyroger84103 2 жыл бұрын
Watching the first 20 minutes of the show made me realize just how much of a total nerd I am
@probablemisclick
@probablemisclick 2 жыл бұрын
I think you are in good company here.
@fairyrave2050
@fairyrave2050 2 жыл бұрын
Testing testing 1 2 3
@fionafiona1146
@fionafiona1146 2 жыл бұрын
I love nerds, that's how I got into university for cultural anthropology
@doppiovinegar1292
@doppiovinegar1292 2 жыл бұрын
this is such a genuine advertisement from Intel, I like it
@jubuttib
@jubuttib 2 жыл бұрын
Dang, just noticed that they're slowly moving the banner up and down during the episode! My OLED thanks you!
@Paxmax
@Paxmax 2 жыл бұрын
Soltek-75 motherboards... wowza... soo many memories, mostly so many resoldered/exchanged capacitors! POP! goes the cap'citor!
@yeomansr
@yeomansr 2 жыл бұрын
I REALLY want this GPU to be good. I don't expect great, but good/very good? I'll take that if you guys are as open and honest in the future. I've gone from not caring, and just expecting to upgrade to 40 series, to pretty excited to check these out.
@mocasinuldomnuluipablo2237
@mocasinuldomnuluipablo2237 2 жыл бұрын
A big +1
@liam3104
@liam3104 2 жыл бұрын
Good to see the marketing works
@mrburnz884
@mrburnz884 2 жыл бұрын
Luke: "Your whole family loves you Linus." 😂
@jacobstamm
@jacobstamm 2 жыл бұрын
This has got to be the most enjoyable WAN episode I’ve seen in ages, and that’s saying something.
@DavidJohnsonFromSeattle
@DavidJohnsonFromSeattle 2 жыл бұрын
I love that when the chat shows up on screen, the twitch and floatplane chats start talking to each other.
@kazriko
@kazriko 2 жыл бұрын
I played MinerVGA. There was actually an end goal, you had to get enough money to marry someone in the brothel.
@BlunderDownUnder
@BlunderDownUnder 2 жыл бұрын
I play video games to escape reality. Pass.
@Symba_Lysm
@Symba_Lysm 2 жыл бұрын
Intel has a real advantage here. They are incorporating cool software's and tech here with clear advantages that AMD and Nvidia do not have. The AV1 encoding first and foremost could be MASSIVE for content creators/live streamers (Even if it's not actively used yet future proofing can't really hurt). I hope they power the train that forces change.
@LeadNarrator
@LeadNarrator 2 жыл бұрын
This is what meeting your heroes should always be like. A lot of respect and openness on both sides mixed with the occasional humble moments where expression of admiration take place. It's amazing how far LTT has come. The industry access they have now, as does Steve in gamers nexus more recently, is a powerful tool and one I think we are all glad they have. Ideal ambassadors for us, the tech community plebs. Thanks guys! ❤️
@nicht_menschlich
@nicht_menschlich 2 жыл бұрын
Love the enthusiasm they all have sharing the passion for tech. Would love to see more of that occasionally in the wan show
@ajsaracina8380
@ajsaracina8380 2 жыл бұрын
Nice, feels like forever since we've had in-person WAN show guests
@tehpanda64
@tehpanda64 2 жыл бұрын
I agree the A770 is a very safe and "classy" design. Honestly looks way better than 99% of 3rd party cards, the FE 30 series cards looks a lot more flamboyant though, If they had availability at msrp before the 40 series was 3 months away I would have purchased one just for the cool looking design.
@1983kevdog
@1983kevdog 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best Wan shows in a while. It would be cool to bring on more guests on the show makes content more dynamic.
@girdsy9971
@girdsy9971 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see these 2 guests in the future for another wan show!
@MrUploader14
@MrUploader14 2 жыл бұрын
From this and Gamers Nexus reviewing a Chinese A380. Arc looks promising, it looks like Intel is going to leverage their decades of CPU dominance and really lean on resizable BAR. And also focus on VRAM latency rather than frequency, which seems to pay off considering in Gamers Nexus's review Arc did better at high resolutions. I can't wait to see the A770 and what it can do.
@MrRollmoreBlunts
@MrRollmoreBlunts 2 жыл бұрын
Getting Tom Petersen on their team was probably the best move intel did in like 20 years. I wanna go on a rave with him in ugly ass Intel Jerseys.
@Banstick
@Banstick 2 жыл бұрын
PC Perspective OG! Woo! Been watching that show for way too long. Good to see Ryan again.
@merwie
@merwie 2 жыл бұрын
This is just pure fun from Intel, we get a show that isn't pure marketing and they can share some info about the GPU, win win :D
@Volvith
@Volvith 2 жыл бұрын
An Intel PC with an AMD CPU is just cursed enough for me to actually consider it. Love what i'm seeing so far. EDIT: Intel Inside sticker on the front as well. :D
@ArticTiger
@ArticTiger 2 жыл бұрын
Really cool to have someone on hand for the in depth stuff who knows what they are talking about.
@Gigabitz
@Gigabitz 2 жыл бұрын
These guys did a fantastic job in this video and all the others, and I really hope they do this periodically, keeping in touch with their community. I already have a high end GPU right now, but I would absolutely consider an Arc GPU in a generation or two when I'm replacing, and I hope their cards do well in the market.
@daycred
@daycred 2 жыл бұрын
I'd be so HYPED for a card supporting (hopefully easy) virtualization! If Intel can give me a way to run (near) full performance linux IN windows or vice versa i'd buy the card for that alone. Developing is an ass. Setting up WSL2 with docker desktop ist the only somewhat sevicable way atm but man I wish there would be a better way...
@BigNameJamesStuff
@BigNameJamesStuff 2 жыл бұрын
I'm honestly surprised how down-to-earth the Intel guys came off. I was an Intel only user for about 10 years before the failure of the 9th, 10th, and 11th gen chips with their inability to compete with AMD's offerings forced me to the 5900x. Even so, I still run Intel's chips in my Unriad server for Plex's quick sync support. If Intel can offer a compelling GPU for us who run Plex and other software that requires transcoding, I'll be the first in line to buy one. After watching this interview, I'm extremely hopeful!
@LCTRgames
@LCTRgames 2 жыл бұрын
Loved having Tom and Ryan in an open discussion like this - it's perfect PR for Intel when they're trying to reach PC gamers. Would love to see these sorts of discussions on a regular basis.
@gchristnacht
@gchristnacht 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved this WAN, great work! I hope to see more guests on, it was so cool to hear about arc and see intel talk in a more casual style(?). Thanks LMG team!
@HazewinDog
@HazewinDog 2 жыл бұрын
To anyone at Intel reading this: The visiting influencers and talking with the community is honestly so cool and I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I just, I suppose this is exactly what Linus is talking about with the good guy vibes and all. This is a winning strategy from, in this segment, a new competitor, and I hope to see a lot more unique ideas from you guys (whether it be features, or things like this, or what have you). I'm excited for the future and all the feathers you guys will ruffle.
@Lazzerman42
@Lazzerman42 2 жыл бұрын
It is nice to see Intel finally talk aout the ARC cards. I do really hope that they will be "OK" - seeing is believing though - and so far no Arcs on the horizon here in Sweden
@ghosthunter0950
@ghosthunter0950 2 жыл бұрын
This is the first WAN show I watched fully. and it was glorious.
@BradleyFordAus
@BradleyFordAus 2 жыл бұрын
I like these guys, its really great just hearing this chat and them being open (or atleast open as they can be at this stage of launch)
@NAN5380
@NAN5380 2 жыл бұрын
Timestamps: 0:00:00 - Podcast Starts 2:10:26 - Podcast ends
@luhgarlicbread
@luhgarlicbread 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, thank you!
@limcheehean
@limcheehean 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@ifur
@ifur 2 жыл бұрын
amazinggg
@Ham24brand
@Ham24brand 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t express how much time you saved me with this. Thank you so much!
@ProjectPhysX
@ProjectPhysX 2 жыл бұрын
25:52 looking forward to roast the Performance ARC GPU I won't at XeHPG Scavenger Hunt with #OpenCL scientific compute once I get it :) I hope It's one of the 16GB models to be a worthy upgrade for my Titan Xp :D
@chasing_the_horizon
@chasing_the_horizon 2 жыл бұрын
I had some much of joy watching this episode!
@Yusuf_K7
@Yusuf_K7 2 жыл бұрын
They teased the A750M in GN’s video, now the A770M in LTT’s. Nice move!
@Mighty_Dork
@Mighty_Dork 2 жыл бұрын
This gave me some hope for the Intel GPUs, they sound like they really can be good in the future
@mndlessdrwer
@mndlessdrwer 2 жыл бұрын
If Intel wants to get serious, then I think this is a good start to them taking an Apple approach and building a massive SoC CPU and GPU implementation. Their existing ventures into iGPU have been modestly successful, but then Apple showed everyone just how crazy you can get when you decide to go full integration. The M1 Max and Ultra are legitimately impressive products and that cannot be denied even if you hate Apple's business practices. Their engineers did some truly legendary work in producing those things. So, Intel branching out into discrete GPUs and testing the waters to see what they're really capable of may just be them figuring out where they should take a SoC implementation in the future, while providing them with a platform that lets them test things without needing to worry as much about cooling and power just yet. I'm finally hopeful that Intel might make a SoC that offers actual gaming performance.
@klyded8523
@klyded8523 2 жыл бұрын
Linus is the type of guy to cut off his guest telling a story to tell his own story.
@WayStedYou
@WayStedYou 2 жыл бұрын
Woodysgamertag approach.
@TankSenior
@TankSenior 2 жыл бұрын
He's just excited, and it's not like he didn't give them the time to finish their stories.
@shinokami007
@shinokami007 2 жыл бұрын
this is a really entertaining show episode, thank you all guys ;)
@Bogside_Irish
@Bogside_Irish 2 жыл бұрын
These are my fave style of Wan Shows, hands down.
@evilmarc
@evilmarc 2 жыл бұрын
These types of interviews + good tech decisions (av1 support) makes me wanna buy an intel gpu. I don’t know if the performance will be there by the time I upgrade but I’m impressed by how respectful they’re treating the community.
@jeffwickersheim195
@jeffwickersheim195 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see more tech industry experts show up on WAN. Talk product, trends, competition, whatever, but it was honestly super refreshing to see the tech industry expert side of Linus rather than the thumbnail 'OMGNOWAYYOUWONTBELIEVEIT' side that I know The Algorithm has encouraged. Plus, it's not like WAN and LMG are small no-namers in the sphere.
@deltadom33
@deltadom33 2 жыл бұрын
They had amd show up on the wan show it was awkward
@Mirddes
@Mirddes 2 жыл бұрын
Linus and Linus on the wan show would be great
@jeffwickersheim195
@jeffwickersheim195 2 жыл бұрын
ohh just don't bring up nvidia. but that said i would like anthony as a guest host there as well given his place on the staff as their linux/distro SME, at least from what i can see
@jeffwickersheim195
@jeffwickersheim195 2 жыл бұрын
that's a pity :/ it all comes down to the charisma of the guests. the intel guys were obviously comfy and at ease, but i can see just sticking a random engineer out there and then watching the whole thing just kinda Hindenburg for an hour.
@lapezcreeper2676
@lapezcreeper2676 2 жыл бұрын
honestly I've been thoroughly enjoying all the cooperation I've been seeing between ltt and Intel and I hope to see more of in the future it's really entertaining to see tech companies like this shake hands
@dolfandringa
@dolfandringa 2 жыл бұрын
I really love this approach. Great and honest conversation. It really works for me and makes me excited too.
@chasesmay7237
@chasesmay7237 2 жыл бұрын
This was a great episode. The one thing I can add about the ‘competition’ in the dgpu market is that it is well known that whenever there are ‘3’ or less competitors in a market, it is the same as monopoly because they will price set. I wish and hope for competition in that space, but adding a third to a monopoly of two does Not, unfortunately, fix the problem. Intel’s business side knows this, Amd and nvidia know this as well.
@daniwalmsley611
@daniwalmsley611 2 жыл бұрын
You know what this is a brilliant move by intel because yesterday ark was a joke and now I'm stoked to see what it can do! Still not going to preorder
@47Hobbies
@47Hobbies 2 жыл бұрын
It's crazy seeing Tom and Ryan on here, I met both of them at QuakeCon one year, great guys!
@MrMagicPenguin12
@MrMagicPenguin12 2 жыл бұрын
Id absolutely love to see some sort of video doing an interview with Tom discussing his past projects and experiences in the industry (wheere he can ofc). Love his energy and attitude. Im not in the market for a new gpu but the hype they have internally for this product is infectious and I am all for it.
@MarkBarrett
@MarkBarrett 2 жыл бұрын
I've told my family, I don't like the current generation cards. 3 SLOTS! I Can't put it in my giant case with super motherboard.
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