I thought it was to do an upload on a Sunday morning while appreciating a good rack.

So true, was going to say something the same but true true!!!!

The controversy leads to more views and attention to the channel anyway, it's not necessarily a negative

Yeah kinda but you don't really have any choice on yt either way

Cheers to that 🤘

Thank you tyler. I read your dialogue with ronny. Initially he brushed off your comments. Having experienced the exact same issue im glad your started the ball rolling to get this sorted. Props to ronny for making good his initial response to you. Cheers mate

On ya mate 👍

Awesome to see he followed up on your comment and video!

Good for you Tyler! Getting this out further than your own audience. Obviously sucks for all parties involved but you and Ronny and Rhino rack have possibly made the 4wd scene a safer one.

good on you Tylzz your a legend mate

Hear! Hear! I agree completely

No mistake was made on Ronny's behalf. The mistake is on Rhino's behalf for not being transparent about their products which are not fit for purpose. Or maybe it's intentional.

@@cyclemoto8744 to say rhino "unintentionally" only give you means to this info in the fitting instructions, which most people dont read till they buy it and are throwing it on the vehicle, is bullshit at it's finest. they know they'd have no market if people knew how the load ratings were calculated.

​@@cyclemoto8744 I just looked at another brand to test the theory and it was bloody hard to find the specifications as well. It seems to be an industry wide problem.

@@chrisjie2127 Only brand I found which lists the off road rating is Front Runner

@@cyclemoto8744 Ronny’s mistake was dismissing the negative reviews as the 3 percenters hence the title I stuffed up.

You’re y-o-u-‘-r-e. There you go. You learnt something else. Ha ha ha

Couldn’t agree with you more mate

4wd 27 are just adds now bro i dont trust them at all

you may as well drive with your left hand and your right hand holding on to the gas bottle on top. on second thoughts....

To be fair, it's not completely Rhino's fault. Passenger vehicles aren't designed to carry loads on the roof. The roof rails can only hold so much before, as Tyler experienced, the fasteners rip right out. What's the point of putting a 500kg rated roof rack on, when the roof fixing point can only hold 50kg off road? The only way around it is to install internal roll bars and attach to them through the roof metal. I do agree Rhino's public relations exercise was disappointing.

Dude I have a Volkswagen and the off-road capacity with the bars and rack is still 140 pounds lol this has more to do with the truck manufacturer. Read your trucks owners manual before buying aftermarket accessories

@@NB-ir1me Same, have a 4door VW Golf that has the big bolts under the door rubber molding going right into the chassis that the roof rack supports attach to. Then I watch these videos where people say like roof tents are not safe because the roof sheet metal can only hold so much - I think if you buy a SUV/truck etc where the roof rack is not attached to the chassis then that is your own problem...

@@NB-ir1me Indeed, and just being appatanty ly unaware of the difference in static vs dynamic loads.

Harry what’s for dinner tonight 🍻

Harry, im a subscriber to you, tyler and ronny. Ive also experienced the rhino rivets sheering so know first hand how bad the mounting system is. I too highly recommend the frontrunner system, after having experienced the rhino failure. Something MUST be done by rhino to remedy this potentially lethal mounting system

So, did you talk Ronny into a Front Runner rack?

Pretty damn stoked the Fire to Fork channel opened my eyes to the front runner rack right when I purchased a “land cruiser“ mall crawler + new rack. Safe to say the only limit I had to worry about was the McDonald’s 2.2m drive through limit. Cheers Harry & Fred 👏

lmao

I know you are just playing but honestly it is a fatality waiting to happen if people don't know about it actually being an issue. So if you think about it, it's better that he is very serious for a very serious matter with such horrific potential outcomes. If it saves 1 life it's worth the seriousness. But again I know you are just joking and probably aware of what I just wrote so I don't even know why I'm sending this 🤣

Yes he did the same roof rack fell off at Fraser Island pop rivets aren't strong enough

Tyler has great content 👌 good stuff Ronnie. Thanks for the info

@@rastus555 the pop rivets are strong enough it’s the thin roof metal that isn’t strong enough I though?

He makes good clips.

@@beardedaussiehunter6135 YES, the system is only as strong as the weakest link - it's how the rivets are being used in this situation - saying the pop rivets are strong enough misses the point

Saved me a comment.

Agree...but still not much

Agree

💯.. everyone stuff up. It's how you feel with. Well-done Ronny

@@kushil I don't see how he stuffed up. Have a look at the Rhino website and look at the specs on the racks. No mention of "deduct 1/3 of the weight carrying capacity for off road use". Happy to be proven wrong, however, I looked, and the information is not there.

@@cyclemoto8744 i agree its not as obvious as you would expect, but it does say in the instruction / install manual, bit late once your purchased i might add, but manufactures and accessories are based on sealed roads, not this crazy off road stuff we do.

@@graemetowner7257 yep, much too late. Like buying a 4wd only to find after the fact that it's only designed for 4wd use on a golf green.

He is. Down to earth next door neighbor type of a guy. Not exciting but f*cking honest and fun to watch.

Absolutely

they are sweating bullets 😂

Yeah for sure. Exactly my thoughts.

it's a huge problem if 2 guys who do this for a living made the same mistake.

@@chrisjie2127 Two _young_ guys -- this is well known to us older bushies and off-road enthusiasts. But then, it used to be mentioned in your owner's-manual (I can't say if they still do that, but they did up until at least the early '90s).

Did the manufacturer of the vehicle specify the on- and off-road load capacity? Or the rack manufacturers?

@@Loribyn I don't feel like age has anything to do with it. The math isn't hard; the problem is that we're learning we can't trust the numbers thrown at us at face value.

As soon as he said roof rack I remembered Tyler’s video on the same

You have a strong canopy now. 👍👍

@@Malc664 For sure; I am MUCH more confident in my new setup, the vehicle feels so much safer.

@Shaun McCarthy I think if I proved anything in that time; its that the roof load capacity is high; but the vehicle stability was horrible.

@Shaun McCarthy Oh for sure; and having more mounting points to also distribute the load helps. Something I must say about my rack on the Hilux at the moment; is that Eezi awn actually install an aluminium gutter, which is glued and riveted onto the roof which 8 rivets; then the roof racks feet are mounted to that gutter. To me this allows the rack to use the entire gutter to distribute load; instead of just the rivets. It may not look as nice or slick as other racks, mounting solutions, but its solid.

Don't take it too seriously man, its not your fault if people choose to overload their roofs

Why? It’s the roof rating that is the problem not the rack

@@kdunb I disagree. The problem is the formula you have to apply for off road driving stipulated by the rack manufacturer is the problem. I think you would agree that Rhino Rack has good market saturation in the 4wd sector. There will a lot of people out there now aware that they are probably over loading their roof rack going off road. Some people will just deal with it, some people will remove their rack and sell it.

Even if it did he would still be overloaded by toyotas max rating, the roof itself isnt strong enough for all the shit most people put up there these days

they are rated higher, its the vehicle capacity thats the issue, you need to understand static weight, dynamic rate and off road weight, they are all different

> halfway down the page halfway down the page THAT YOU READ AFTER YOU PAID FOR IT. It's in freaking fitting instructions, who read them when making a purchasing decision? They know they've got no market with bloody 40 kilos (or even less) of load for 2k worth accessory.

ARB shares just went down

@@tonymiller5841 It seems that having cross bars instead of a platform will gain more load rating.

Is Seek Adventure back!?

@@scubareuben 1 video so far, sounds like he is keeping it casual. If he does post in the future????

Completely understand why he stopped but it killed me as I’d only just bought by first ever 4wd and discovered him literally a month before he said he was giving it away. Loved his presentation style and genuine approach. Fingers crossed hey.

Class action who? The manufacture has that info out there and they are not trying to hide it. So what go after 3rd party resellers who fudge some numbers by using ones that aren't specific to the Hilux while at the same time not actually saying its specific to the Hilux? Good luck. Also remember laws very country to country so depending where you buy from so consumer protection laws in that country may not have your back at all.

@@loganholmberg2295 the way I understood it was the rack it's self have a rating of 100 kg on road and minus 33 % off road bringing that to 66 kg . Then with the load limit of 75kg both on and off road for the car minus the weight of the rack. there is no difference . If they have based the off road load capacity based on the two thirds of the rate loading of the car as Ronnie is including in his calculations then that information is not out there and the previously published information was misleading

I was also told 100kg by an installation shop.

@@loganholmberg2295 I’ve got info from them saying that it is capable of 100kg Check the law bud

@@loganholmberg2295 Really? I have been looking for this info and it is very difficult to find. Even after knowing about this, and being advised by my supplier that the off road limit is a reduction of 15%, I can't find the info. that Ronny has presented on here. The only place that I can find mention of it is that they say it is in the fitment instructions. Bit late by then isn't it? Endless pictures of these racks loaded up with off road gear and plenty of chat about being an Australian Quality brand but I can't find this reduction number anywhere else.

Unbelievable the low amount of subscribers to your youtube. It's very fun and funny and sweet. Plaza post more. And more Troopy gang

@@Berserkaru thanks mate! Our KZfaq is just a little fun. I’m glad you enjoy it though

It’s too complicated they sell them with the maximum rating so you think we are all good.

@@ShoeysAdventures When I was researching mine I checked all the load ratings then my roof rating and I always deduct the amount of the roof rack off, which leaves you total load amount I wasn't aware of the offroad rating but this seems to be different with every rack.

@@4x4CampingandAdventures exactly it’s bloody complicated, Craig used to work for autobarn and tells me the off-road rating applies to the roof not the rack, so what is it?

@@ShoeysAdventures buggered if I know I always stuck to only putting light items up there hence the awning and solar panel shower awning that’s it

And commenters are still missing the point that the roof of the vehicle has the rating that is most important. I agree that it is astounding that this is not common knowledge.